Well I'll be dern!
Scientists have glowing fish, mice, pigs and glowing kittens and now glowing monkeys!

And all of them new glowing species are supposed to help medical research...

I don't know... What do you think?

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Glowing monkeys 'to aid research'
By Jason Palmer
Science and technology reporter, BBC News

Scientists have genetically modified primates to make them glow green and pass the trait on to their offspring.

Though primates modified to generate a glowing protein have been created before, these are the first to keep the change in their bloodlines.

Future genetic modifications to primates could aid efforts to cure such diseases as Parkinson's.

Read full article--> Glowing monkeys 'to aid research'

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Ooo, great topic and link, Dawn! Thanks once again!

I'm not extremely against this, but I'm not for it either. For me, this part of the article sums it up...



I believe disease is created in spirit first. To address disease, I would consult my spirit and inner self. I would wonder why I have the disease and what I was supposed to learn from it. I wouldn't want to inflict it wilfully upon another living thing.

I'm not against medicine and feel it has a place. I would consult a doctor (quicksmart!) if I chopped off a finger or broke a bone, amongst other things. But I'm not into preventative medicine because I believe those type of illnesses stem from spiritual imbalance. And disabilities we are born with are of our soul's choosing (IMO) to give us the stringent experience our soul and divine will desires.

BUT as always, I'm anxious to hear rebuttals and other ideas. What do you think, Dawn? OMJ? Jaime? Kaybee?

I don't think the glowing research has helped much, if at all. I honestly believe that they're creating these poor creatures just because they can under the guise of helping human medical research. I think it's sad... I hope they're intentions are good, but only time will tell...

As far as where illness begins, I think some illnesses do start in the spirit, but I also think that some are thrust upon us either by genetics or environmental factors.
And some illnesses we walk right into with eyes wide-open knowing that our vices or habits could lead to them. And yet shocked when they happen... I'll not elaborate further but it can be anything that we choose to do from smoking, obesity, alcohol, mountain climbing, hogging for catfish, snake wrangling, spider wrangling and so on..

As for the innocent children born with issues or illnesses, I can honestly say that this aspect of the human conditions tears my heart apart and brings me to tears to ponder on the reasons. I know in my heart that in the grand scheme of things that there are reason and purpose, but it doesn't stop the ache in my heart for the medial conditions, illnesses or issues to end for our innocent children.

But I do agree that You may be right Alisa, I can't debate about disabilities. I'll accept your enlightenments of the heart and experience on this one.

You are probably right about the research not being of much help. I do feel that intentions are good overall though. There are always a few unfeeling, greedy or psychopathic people, but I have a lot of faith in humans and believe that people generally are always trying to do what they think is right. That's why I think lie-detectors, though not infallible, work fairly well. Because most people don't like to lie and feel uncomfortable when they are deceptive.

Good point about illness coming from genetics and environment. I've had to think this through before, and I would say that I feel genetics merely provide variables in which spirit can select strengths and weakness according to the life plan. I think spirit/soul chooses which illnesses it will succumb to in order to learn what is needed. As for the environment...it reminds me of an article I once read on a building infested with mould and how quite a number of employees working there became ill. But still, there were plenty who didn't. And you could say it is random given the person's genetic/inherent health and capabilities versus the opportunistic organisms the environment serves up. But I still think in the end the soul chooses and allows certain illness to take hold in order for the human to experience whatever lessons are necessary for growth.

With illness from lifestyle choices, smoking, drinking, drugs, binge eating, thrill seeking...my thought is that these are things that people do to try to soothe themselves as they seek balance. As such, and because I have indulged in numerous comforting excesses, I feel compassion for people who seek comfort like this, even if it is imbalanced. And it reminds me of the Oprah show I once saw about a high percentage of women who had stomach reduction-type surgery ended up becoming alcoholics. The distress and need for comfort is still there despite blocks that are put up against the behaviour, and a new activity will be picked up somewhere. And the amazing amount of relapse that occurs with people trying to overcome strong drug addictions! I like to watch the reality TV series of Celebrity Rehab and Intervention.

I am digressing a bit form the topic of Glowing Monkeys...but anyway, I feel that if people were allowed a reasonable indulgence in the lesser evils of say food and a bit of drink and smoke, they'd be less likely to seek out stronger stuff that makes it much harder to find balance again one you start. And I still believe that if you believe something will hurt you or make you ill (deeply in your subconscious, despite what you say to yourself and others at times) then that something will hurt you. But if you feel deeply that it won't then it won't. And that reminds me of a doco I saw on a church in which parishioners consumed strychnine and received poisonous snake bites and survived because of their belief that it would not harm them. But now I truly digress.

I think the genetic-glowing research is futile in regards to preventing human suffering or curing it (cuz we will have that until we have evolved spiritually IMO). But something else may be learned and come from it. Or maybe it is just cruel and useless. I don't know how far it should be taken. I really don't.

My tendency is to "let go and let God". But then there is the argument that you can't just let things run rampant. Or can you? Do we have an obligation to impose our beliefs on others and if so how far? Do we stop people from hurting other people, creatures, forests, and who decides?

I wish I could articulate my thoughts in replies as well as you do.
You give much food for thought and perhaps you're right about the spiritual level of illness. You've studied and researched deep into the spiritual aspect and have a better understanding of it than I do.

I like this:

I think it doesn't mean letting things run rampant. I think it means to have faith enough to allow God to work through you or others together to heal or resolve issues, problems, situations and so on. Reckon?

You've asked many good questions. I don't think stopping people from hurting other people, creatures or forests is imposing a belief. It's just setting some guidelines to show that one should respect the rights of others and also help preserve the balance of nature without undo destruction or deliberate cruelty.
As to who decides, I think that would be the folks that have the authority to give a good logical rational reason to be nice to folks, creatures and the environment: voters, activist groups, elected officials and Unfortunately they don't always make the right choices either so it's really a hit and miss situation. ~sigh~

Beautifully put...



That's just right and what I need to remember. I sometimes err on the side of chaos and think there should be no authority. What I probably want is less authority, or balanced authority.

You articulate extremely well, Dawn. We are equals and colleagues.

For fun I found some pics of glowing jellyfish that are not genetically enhanced (at least I don't think so ) but naturally neon!

Thanks again. Great minds think alike!


You know, it's curious about the glowing jelly fish pictures... It reminds me of my youth when I surmised that the ocean is our fantasia of sorts. It's where the characters of our dreams, nightmares or imagination manifest... both the beautiful and the scary.
After all these decades of seeing the critters they've discovered in the ocean that so closely resemble some of the movie monsters, it makes me ponder that perhaps life does follow art sometimes. Like we pondered on the other day.

Yeah, it all leads one topic to another doesn't it! Synchronicity!

The ocean scares me. I wish I could say it doesn't or that I want to face and overcome it, but I don't. I often dream of the ocean and think it means collective consciousness in my dreams.

I used to still have a fear of sea monsters. The type like Lockness Monster meets Chinese dragon.

It's true the vastness of the ocean is quite ominous and quite a few of the creatures that inhabits are scary critters, but pretty much, if I got my feet on the beach I'm happy as lark.

However, I have no desire to hop on a ship or boat and go any distance out on it.

Yes, I know what you mean. I also like the beach. But it is going into the water up to the neck or further that freaks me out.

When we went to Langkawi, Malaysia a few years ago, the water was so beautiful and warm. You could go out into it up to your neck and bob up and down in the waves. I loved doing this but the whole time I had to push, push, push my fear away. Sometimes it just kinda overwhelmed me and I wanted to get out. And it drives me nuts thinking that I should fear this when little kids were happily swimming out as well as other adults without a care in the world.

Anyway, I was walking out of the surf, my fear mounting, when suddenly I felt a searing pain in my foot. For all the world I thought for sure that a sea creature had come up to my foot and chomped into it. I stumbled onto the sand and blood was pouring out of the top of my foot which had a deep puncture. It was NOT the bottom of my foot and I insisted something had bit me (and I was crying a little bit hysterically ) whilst my husband was trying to calm me down and assure me that nothing had bit me and that I must have stepped on a sharp shell. And I was saying (between sobs) how could I step on it with the top of my foot! And he said maybe as I was bobbing around and my feet were not flat on the ocean floor the top part made contact first.

He was probably right that nothing truly bit me. But I feel very sure that my fear simulated a bite for me.

Bless your heart Alisa.
'One of the reasons' I'm not brave enough to travel to another country is because I'm not familiar with the wildlife... so I'm pretty sure that I would react like you did. I would have freaked out.

Thanks for understanding, Dawn!