Australia is divided, The laws from state to state differs. The most damaging is the law on AGE. Government in their retarded thinking, Cant fathom the notion to what is a Adult.
So! lets go though a few.
1: At 14 yrs old, Paying adult fees to the movies.
2: At 16 yrs old, You can smoke but cant buy them, You can obtain a license to drive a car in South Australia and become a killer or be killed.Yet 16 and above, you can have consented sex
3: At 17 yrs old you can be placed in a prison.
4: Your still a child to center link at 25 yrs old, Providing you live with a Parent and still go to school.

Its these retarded laws on What is a Adult, that now have Children thinking they can be a adult, Cos! the government said so.

DOCS/Family SA, Or any penis smokers who claim to be a Child safety worker, Are the Australian Nazi's of child/ren stealers.

Now what gets me, Is that we all attack DOCS and rightly so. But!?, Who gave them that power?. Who gave them the Frking sting right to march into your home and rip you away from your family? Who? Would pass such a law.?.
The Government of Australia. from Rudd to a redneck DocS worker. Its Rudd that we are abused by his Nazis. Not your State MP, But, RUDD, If you can Quote 'NO One is above the law', Why are DOCS?.
If Rudd can say sorry to the stolen generation,and then pay a compensation to them, Then he can amend the Nazis law of DOCS.
If Rudd's Deputy can Quote 'We have a fair justice system'...... Where??? I have never seen it.

How many 14/15/16 yr old females are pregnant >?. That came from consented sex?. Whether the man is 17 or 77, He is now branded a pedophile and DOCS will twist this all the way to a new born.
When this man then trys to build a family or obtains a ready made family. DOCS will come and rip it apart. and Rudd backs them.

Yes! docs are just the tool to Rudd.

What you have mentioned above is so true, why do they have so many different rules for different ages, and not only that different states in Australia.

The Government have certainly frked up on this one, especially when the Department is concerned. Try asking the Government to help you when Docs are HARASSING You... They dont even want to know.

Doesnt it make you wonder....... if we are having troubles as parents now, imagine what it would be like for our childrens children, we have no rights now, and I cant see it getting any better in the future. And whom is to blame.....THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!

Here's a classic for you on consenusal sex at age 16, my dtr is 15 1/2 and for her to be able to have underage sex, Dchs paid and encouraged Implanon but then carry on about her being sexually active but mind you she is in care and has been for a year...no rights for me...because they say she was gillick competent to make up her own mind and make her own choices...

Contradictory and hypocritical of the government but that's always how the governments been!

I always thought Queensland was the most retarded state going, Now Family SA is following the retards of Queensland Nazi's attitude.
I have committed no crimes in the State of SA. Only what Family SA gave me. In the 10 months of a relationship with the partner and children, Not once was there any form of abuse to this family. In the 20 minutes that Family SA invaded my home, They abused the whole family. I saw NO difference tween the Retards of Queensland and Now Family SA. I can only Guess, that ALL of Australia Penis Smokers (DOCS)are just as retarded.
The age factor that the government enforces to what is a adult are so out of date.
Government then orders that all schools must now teach Sex to children. No wonder children want to try to have sex as young as 12 yrs old. What to try some form of drugs.
Family values are nomore, Howard removed all rights from parents,Howard is the bastard that started all this and now Rudd (the clone to howard)is no better.

I would like to play roll reversals say with Rudd. I would love to march into his home and tell him he cant be there in the family home.I would love to do to those as they have done to me and my family. I would love to see the pains and the hurts in their faces as i see mine everyday.

There is NO future while we have retards governing us.

No truer words ever spoken and all I hope is I can be like some of you that have or are going through this mess right now or have a long time ago.
My Solicitor has told me it effects all differently, as he said he has seen the most gentle person become a tyrant against Child Safety after having their day in court and winning.

I say this to all Its good to see you here but I m sorry you have anything to do with this SCUM of the earth DOCS.
By any chance did you read from day one my opening post that the most hated government department was the department of Child safety? Did you see the bit that Kevin Rudd said sorry for the stolen generation? well I wonder who will say sorry for our stolen generation.
Personally they (pollies) can all get fucked, I don't want their sorry I want Dollars and Cents, that the type of sorry I want.

I say this to all Its good to see you here but I m sorry you have anything to do with this SCUM of the earth DOCS.
By any chance did you read from day one my opening post that the most hated government department was the department of Child safety? Did you see the bit that Kevin Rudd said sorry for the stolen generation? well I wonder who will say sorry for our stolen generation.
Personally they (pollies) can all get fucked, I don't want their sorry I want Dollars and Cents, that the type of sorry I want. [/quote]


Yes, I have read, and Yes, I know full well of how DOCS conducts business.
Yes! I want that justice to, that ends up in compensation of the said abuse upon myself.
Yes!! I also have documents handed to me by DOCS of their corruption and file tampering.
Another Forde Inquiry is needed.
The laws on " Child stealing to be amended ".
The laws that DOCS have now 'untouchable' and above the law. to accountable in a court of law.
There is no point attacking the retards(DOCS) they are controlled by Rudd, Rudd is the head of this cancer infected government body. Rudd turns a blind eye to DOCS activities,Until DOCS make the Headlines,even then he only covers up for them.
From what I see here, there is over 2000 people. thats 2000 of us that can protest at their front door and obtain media coverage world wide.
This I believe Rudd will not want. But our voice of this abuse needs to be Echoed for all to hear.

This is a state matter docs as I think it has nothing to do with federal arena.

I fully agree that the above have to be amended.

Oh! but it is a Federal matter.
The family law act is Australia wide and as of this year DOCS can now interact with all states to pass information.

Its the tosser in power now, Rudd, and his upper and lower house that can amend laws of the Family act that howard changed when he placed his Hoof in parliament.

The buck passing stops with Rudd. He is now accountable for the actions of any, ANY government body in Australia that breaks the law in any manner.

You're right endofdays. DOCS is goverened by STATE government, not Federal government. The State senate are responsible for governing, maintaining and running DOCS. The State government report information to the Federal government about DOCS, but all decisions are made by the Queensland Government.



While DOCS now have powers to share information with other state child protection organisations, this does not change the fact that Anna Bligh is responsible for DOCS in queensland. DOCS has also always been able to share information with other States and has always done so. The new changes are in relation to the stream lining of sharing this information.



The Family Law Act is not used by DOCS and has no involvement with DOCS. I'm not sure what changing this Law will do to stop the problems with DOCS.

I'm sure however that if there was enough of a stink Rudd may become involved.

[quote=DocSniper]How many 14/15/16 yr old females are pregnant >?. That came from consented sex?. Whether the man is 17 or 77[quote]

The Queensland Criminal Code clearly outlines this one.

then where does it say, that having consented sex with say a 15 or 16 yr old girl, when did that become PEDOPHILIA ?.

Point, when did it become PEDOPHILIA if it's consented sex?

If a teenage girl is under the age of 16 and is having consensual sex with a person over the age of 16, the person if it became known to the police have a right of duty to charge the person with something but is it PEDOPHILIA? Well that's what I've been advised from DChS.

Even though the child under the age of 16 has consented to having sex with the person over the age of 16, the law does not consider it to be consentual because the person is in fact a child.

According to the Crime and Misconduct Commission "Paedophilia is criminal activity involving sexual offences against children by adults". However the American Psychology Association (APA) define paedophilia as "recurrent,
intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviours involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)."

They would be charged with Carnal Knowledge of a child under the age of 16 years, and possibly Maintinaing a relationship with a child under the age of 16 years.

There is no charge called Paedophilia, there are charges related to the above mentioned as well as indecent treatment of a child, procuring a child for carnal knowledge etc.

My question is (and it may cause a stir) What is an adult doing having sex with a child in the first place??

ahhhh! but to DChs or DOCS that 16 or under girl that gave consented sex is just the same as a 18 yr old. for DChs or DOCS class children to 18 yrs of age.
But is having sex with that 16 yr old female A heading for PEDOPHILIA ?. to DChs/DOCS yes!.
But, why then does the rest of the government Say its ok for a 16 yr old to have Sex?, to drive a car ?.
Why is their a division with in the same government concerning the age factor to a child(15/16) to having consented sex ?.

Well as you well know, some girls at 14-15-16 can act and look way older then they do.
Then you may have that male that knows she is 15/16, and lust takes over.
Then you may obtain some males that only look for that 15/16 yr old. Thats asking for trouble.
But then you have them sick puppies that will hunt children,boy or girl.these are the pricks that need to be hunted and brought to justice. Like Dennis Ferguson, No one argues the point concerning him. hes a sick puppies.

Then theres some males(very small amount) that get entrapped by that 15/16 yr old female.
Its this entrapment that triggers off a life of hell.

The pigs love that one, its a new one as they don't need any evidence whatsoever to have you charged with this one just a 93a

All a child hasto do is put a complain in and if they say the child has been there more than once thus gives them the option for maintaining a relationship.
See the Corrupt system sits down with the Attorney General scamming new ways to introduce new laws to give them a conviction.

I have something to say and I will say it after my trial that will rock the legal system, I bet you what I have founds not a single person in Qld has done anything similar and its Legal as I asked my Lawyer and he said go for it and said very clearly only you could have thought of that but even he doesn't know the magic end and how many times and whilst in Court I also asked the Deputy Sheriff, and told her what i wanted to do, something,some,something and she said GO FOR IT.
So don't ask because my finding will shock you.
The public needs to be educated, but for me its I want to be a big THORN in the enemies side.

This is a tad odd for 93a as my children cant even talk let alone walk.
my 1st son was taking at 3 days old in 2005 in 2006 the partner is pregnant again to me and they retake the 1st child and i didnt get to see the other child, then in 2007 to another partner,my son is born at 1:06 am and by 1:30am, I am surrounded by 5 cops as they removed the new born and marched me out of the hospital, That was the last time i saw my son and the mother of him.
What they used on me is 10a
they here in SA, are also using 10a to abused the family being built. they, the said children of this relationship, have no problems with me, these children speak up for me, and these children openly state. ' we are not being abused in any way by this man ': yet in the best interest DOCS have said concerns, Even when I and the partner and the children can prove there is NO abuse. DOCS turns a blind eye to it.
Yet, I and the partner know when this hits the court room, we have the proof to give to the judge.

JusticeForall
Are you somehow involved with the above? Your knowledge is good on these matters as some of the Lawyers here in Melbourne have been reading your replies with accuracy.
With that charge you have above named: Maintaining a relationship with a child under the age of 16 years, you forgot to put the word sexual in between A and Relationship.
Like I hate Govern Dept said its a new charge Australia wide, trumped up to get more conviction because of the amount of young girls having willing consensual sex with an older person.

No not involved with the above from a legal or Police point of view, but I have had some involvement in other indirect ways. I'd also like to think that I'm an educated person who does their research.




You're correct I did miss out the word sexual while typing the post. Thank you for picking up on that. The word sexual in that sentence does make a lot of difference between the two and I would hate to be giving the wrong information to members.



Yes I'm sure there are times when this charge is used and is trumped up, but I do believe that there is a difference between having sex with an underage person and maintaining a sexual relationship with them. I'm not passing judgement on anyone here. Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I'm a realist, and maybe I have it all wrong, but for me it's pretty black and white when it comes to an adult having sex with an underage person. This is just my view of course.

It is easy to maintain a sexual relationship with a girl that tells you she is 17 but after you're arrested the girl cry's wolf that he raped her only because it takes the pressure of the 17 year old girl that happens to be only 15.
The biggest shock I ever got in my life and that was jury duty. Just imagine the above when a so call 17 year old was screwing any guy she could get her hands on but once busted by the strict parents she cried foul to take the pressure of herself from the parents so she sucked up to her parents saying, he RAPED ME!! so the 19 year old guy got charged with multiple counts of rape,maintaining a sexual relationship with a child under 16, attempted Rape, and just about every other charge that the police could throw at him
The truth came out that this girl was a low life telling the blokes drinking at the pub she was 18 but to everybody else she was 17 but really she was just under 16 so tell me where is the black and white there.
He lost his apprenticeship over this, he was bashed, his parents had to fork out $75,000 in legal fees, the money was never reimbursed by the Government but if that girl won she would have walked away with stash full of cash and remember this dog that lied only because she as scared of a bashing from her own Christian parents if she told them that the truth.

Forgot something
Did she ever get punished by the Crown, NO, did they send here the lawyers bill from the young guy she framed, NO, Did the parents of this girl ever try to help the guy she ruined, NO, just sold their house and moved away. No black and white here and they tell me the courts a full of these same types of cases.

Do you know what I have been talking about that once I spew it out will cause problems well you could say the above is say one piece of it and the public will be shocked when I splatter this on a public forum.(no it has nothing to do with cases)
As for BLACK and WHITE after I fill this forum with what I am about to say you will think the Gold Coast Cops fudging the arrest are honest.
(Another PS) Black and White will never be used again when you will read what the crown and the Police have been up to.
Maybe this is the reason why the crown smells a rat and has spotted me in ????????? to many times ( Not Smart enough)wondering what I'm legally doing there and deliberately delaying my case as only an idiot would release what I have before my day in court.Once I release what I have done and any one can do for the moment I want others to do exactly the same until they change the Law. Haaaaa fuckwits.

But will they and can they change the law easily?

I appreciate your point of view jarmet and yes the story that you have told is one that isn't as clear cut as it may seem. But I don't agree with you that it is easy to maintain a sexual relationship with an underage person simply because you didn't know that they were underage. Ignorance is not an excuse, and really, you have to question why a person would be having a "relationship" be it sexual or not if they didn't know something as simple as the persons age or at least enough about them to clarify if the age that thet told you was correct. I can understand that defence of ignorance if they had slept with an underage person once or twice, this making it more of a casual thing. But to maintain a sexual relationship, having sexual intercourse with this person on numerous occasions and not really knowing how old the person was, sorry but I don't buy that.

I agree that the 19 year old in your story got screwed over. He certainly didn't deserve the charges he had against him. I didn't say that the law was always right. My view is that any adult having a sexual relationship with a underage person is wrong. Because at the end of the day, an adult should know better. This is just my view.

In a nut shell you are right.
But what if, the man was entrapped?.
What if it only happened the once...?
From this once, the man spends 1 yr in prison, loses everything he owns.
What if it was beyond the mans control ?.

I like the above bit JusticeForAll. I entered my first club the Penrith League club when i was 16, I got drunk from booze I bought when I was 17, I had my first sexual encounter when I was 16 and so did some of my girlfriend and guess what we told all the spunks we were 18 so really half of Penrith's population should have been in jail and you tell me that ignorance is not an excuse, what are you trying to do to us chicks make us have a DOB stamped on our foreheads?

Cathy and the girls laughing our heads off.

sniper
All us chick have to do today is open our legs and all the guys brains fizzle up.
My girlfriend banged a whole footie team including cops and she was under 18 I didn't see any of them go to jail because she didn't dob anyone in and yes I know my bro told me uuuugh you don't need to be dobbed in from the tools to charge the guys. back later


By guys, Cathy and the girls.

Just wondering what closet you have been sleeping in for the last 50 years!!

i'm off before I'm in the shit!

Cathy and the girls choking with laughter

Now Cathy please behave yourself, not all today have lived a open life like you have.

Well in your case Cathy one would assume that stupidity isn't an excuse either. What are you trying to do to us 'chicks', give us a bad name because you are loose with your morals?

I wonder..are the girls that are laughing with you the ones in your head?

Unfortunately this happens a lot today girls taking advantage because they look older than what they're.
The Lawyers know this, the crown knows this but they don't care as all they care is convicting the guy and thus is the reason why they have this new maintaining a sexual relationship charge because a mile of cases like this were fronting the courts and the crown was losing them all but with this new charge if he or she say they had consensual sex he is gone.
What stinks is even if the girl gives evidence during a pre-recording which she does that she conned the guy telling him she was older do you think the prosecution cares? No Fucking way, all the prosecutor want to do is win,win,win and fill the jail with more suckers sunk with this new charge.

Cathy is Cathy but she has a very valid point, why should a guy be sent to prison when clearly the girl lied about her age.
Again the new Charge was bought in for that reason

Oh boy, teenage sex.

Now that is an interesting topic. A topic that came up just recently between my partner and I actually.

The shoe is on the other foot for me and I'm somewhat in a Catch 22, but I feel my decision is the correct one pertaining to my situation.

My partner and I don't live under the same roof, but he's aware that my 15 year old daughter has been sexually active in the past.

Although my daughter is not currently sexually active, I have not permitted her to use any form of contraception.

My partner thought this was a wrong move on my part. He gave me the lecture about responsible parenting with a potentially sexually active teenager.

I personally don't think I'm a stupid woman and I like to think that I do have a great deal of common sense... And I am pretty sure that other parents will agree with me when I say that what we would normally do is often what we find ourselves deliberately NOT doing when we are involved with DoCS.

I let my partner go on about it and admittedly I was in complete agreement with him.

Then I dropped my bombshell...

He is aware that I am involved with DoCS and I said to him quite frankly that even though my daughter is 15 and DoCS are scared of her - it would not do my son or my other daughters any favours if DoCS were to get wind of the fact that I had put my 15 year old daughter on some form of contraception.

Forget the fact that I would be showing responsibility as a parent.

All DoCS would see was a parent condoning under age sexual activity in a 15 year old child by permitting the child to have a prescription for contraception whether the child was indulging in sexual activity or not.

hows that ....children scared of the dept of safety employees....great one.....and a common happening.....ask any child now an adult, that was under these morons....they hate them with a passion....safety from whom!!!!

agree, my step daughter now has a hate for Family SA and the cops.
Cos! these educated penis smokers, conducted all their actions right in front of all the children.

No concerns about the said children, as they were man handling me out of the house.
I even asked my partner for a hug and kiss, before i was placed in the cops car.
Family SA nazis, Stopped her from giving me that hug and kiss.

These scams didnt care about the actions they were doing in front of the children.
All they cared about was getting me out of the house and placing me either in the watch house or the streets.
Then Im told to ring crisis care for accommodation, What a frking load of poo, it was crisis care,Family Sa, that throw me out on the streets.
Thats like going to a person that just placed a bullet in you and your told to go back to the same person for help, Huh?.

LOL

No, DoCS are the ones who are scared of my daughter.

My daughter is very much like me and she doesn't think twice about ripping off the head of a CSO.

she only 12. and the fear family sa placed upon her and the family. not only from docs, but also for the cops. what a impression to set a example to a child....her brother and sisters, also have a fear factor. but they are a tad older.

Her mother and I teach her to be respectful to have manners.
Since, i have been out of the house, she now has a attitude worse then before.
Now her mother is teacher her how to defend against DOCS. Now!!! who is the real terrorist of the world???.

I started to teach her Mauy Thai, so that she could defend herself. hoping she will understand that it could save her life.

you are right, very interesting topic. The age factor to consented sex. Depends on the state you live in. 16.8 yrs old, if your gay, 17yrs old.
But, why does a 14 yr old have to pay adult fares to movies.?
At 16 you can smoke but cant buy them,in SA at 16 you can obtain a license and either kill or be killed on the roads. at 17 you can be placed in a prison,
But only to DOCS your a child till 18.
Then you have center link at 25 yr old you still classed as a child providing you live with a parent and goto school.

Now as you stated, girls as young as 13 become sexually active.we have even seen 14-15-16 yr old pregnant, Wheres the father?.
So! if the 15-16 yr old is sexually active and whether the man or woman is 17 to 77.
How then does that become pedophilia ???. When there is a division on the age factor that government cant make their mind on.

Well here's one for teenage sex and contraception with DChS...my daughter up until being removed was a virgin with close encounters due to drinking alcohol issues that the dept weren't concerned with at all.

She is currently and throughout the whole foster care period been sexually active. Dtr was considered Gillick Competent so could make the decision to have contraception if she wanted to which she didn't and I also wouldn't consent.

A month ago DChS paid and supported her decision to be on the Implanon but that didn't prevent her getting Chlymadia did it? yes my dd has a sexual disease and she is subject to a interim Child protection Order! I'm disgusted!

LovingMyKids if your girl has got Chlamydia then I would be throwing that straight back at DoCS.

If you maintained guardianship of your daughter while DoCS had custody, then by every right you should have been contacted about the decision to put her on a contraceptive when the decision was still an IDEA.

I wouldn't let this rest... I would be hammering DoCS about the fact that they have put your girl in a situation where she has picked up a sexually transmitted disease.

I wonder if they gave any version of "the talk" before they got her implanted... I'd be interested in knowing if anyone from DoCS spoke with her about sexually transmitted diseases etc.

Don't think I'm taking this casually but I'm not going in shooting my mouth off, we're dealing with the doctors quietly, getting things documented for fool proof hammering because be the day they're going to put the word 'alleged' anywhere near this!

I've had the stern talk of sexually transmitted diseases with her now and did before when I had supervised visit's but I was told this was inappropriate conversations during contact so used against me...

My dtr also said she ignored the talk from the doctor before the implanon was put in so at least the doctor tried.

Good thinking 99.

Sometimes we as parents have to be sneaky and use slight of hand to gain an advantage.

Heck, I do it all the time.

I didn't mean that you should go into your local DoCS office with guns loaded and start firing bullets at the CSO.

The best move for a parent who has something on DoCS is to quietly, quietly catch the monkey.

You have to be one step in front of them all the time. You really have to think outside the square to catch them out.

Yeh and keep your emotions in check...I think my acting is better than Angelina Jolie's, well a close second, just need her looks and I'm right for life! LOL

Sneaky sneaky sneaky! hahahahaha

i was reporting all to a Dr who even saw the children independantly from me.....is all on record for their day of reckoning with my incident.......

LOL

Keeping one step ahead of them is definitely the name of the game.

Anticipating their next move is also an advantage.

This is where parents like us are actually an advantage to parents who are new to involvement with the system.

Parents who are already riding the DoCS carousel can give a new sufferer a head's up on what to expect next.

yep and that is at least some sort of comfort to them......but it still SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING

Yes, even if it is cold comfort.

At this point in the struggle it's better than nothing.

You are definitely right though kickemout... It should not be happening at all.

The whole system needs to be fixed right at the root (the laws) and those involved at every point should be made accountable.

Today's children are the modern stolen generation. My previous solicitor (who kindly retired right in the middle of my case) blew a gasket at a court mention for my case earlier this year and went on record saying that the underhanded tactics DoCS use is participating in a modern stolen generation.

What he said is so true.

One would think in the 21st century with the technology to clone,to save lives,to investigate with instruments that can seek out the truth,Facts.
Australia has always been spineless when it comes to technology.
Yet we have retards that governs us.and it all started with that little frkhead HOWARD. Rudd is the clone to howard.
I thought at one time, Dr Brendon Nelson MP, would of been the man to bring down the corruption of DOCS. Sadly. he to is all talk.

like now on the news,about the baby in a suitcase,murdered by the mother and placed in the river. NEGLECTED by DOCS.for they knew all about it.
And what about that 10 yr old girl from up north,that was gang raped twice?. Why has that stopped being the News?. what about that 10 yr old girl from bribe island,where the father raped and then murdered her, And DOCS knew all about that to, MURDERS.
Who has the criminal record?, I have one, and so Does DOCS. and they dont like it,when I tell them that,when I rub it in their faces. Hence why I am being so abused with adding and tampering of my files.

I am sure most of their attempts are to cover their own butts....yes they are answerable to a lot......and the numbers are gathering.....

Humans care more about animals, dogs/cats/whales,ect. departments people like DOCS workers also work in RSPCA. same attitude.

yet when a human is abused in that same manner,no department body cares and you are now no longer a human,let alone a animal.

heres a good EG: I use to be around 68k's, at one point i went down to 46k's.
I had a dog, and one day a RSPCA officer knocks on my door and says that i have been abusing my dog and that he is under feed.
anger was all i could have and I voiced that.
I show'd this prick a cupboard with tins of dog food and dry food.
Even he said the dog looked in good health. as he was walking away, I said, Mate, how come i got a prick like you walking up and down a street looking for abused animals,yet, right in front of you is a man that you can plainly see needs help, why isnt there a group of people walking up and down a street like you and seeing me, and saying, look there a bony underfeed human, lets investigate. where is a group like that?.
The prick had no response.

The downfall of being an adult who needs some kind of help is the fact that adults are expected to be mature and responsible enough to be able to help themselves.

Now, if you were a habitual hoarder, with the inside and outside of your home piled with rubbish and junk so badly that you had a sheep trail from your front door to the footpath... And you had colonies of mice living in your lounge suite... Your neighbours could smell your refrigerator... And your home and yard was a risk of every possible hazard (fire, disease, chemical waste etc) and the mess of your property could be seen from the moon... Then you MIGHT get help.

But of course, you would first have to undergo assessments and it would be required that you be declared to be suffering from something before anybody makes a move.

ya, me yard, could use a tidy up, havnt seen it for about 3 months.

Assessments....mmmmm...By whom???.and why would they waste their time?.

When i was told by DOCS that i am a sexual predictor and that I hunt children,boys and girls,. I thought by going to a sex therapist/Phyc to have assessment would determine my sexuality and to the gender i prefer. Nopes, no good, cant help me and or dont want to get involved

Gosh I've no idea... Assessments by whomever they can get their hands on at the time... And they would waste their time because it's protocol - part of the "process".

So other then Christ standing beside me, i don't have a chance....

The Aborignal communities have been putting up with this behaviour for many years....one only needs to speak with those adults from the lost generation to know that thhis is common behaviour in gov.....this includes all parties in gov.

I grew up with the Aboriginals. I know their customs, I know their history, I know their abuse by government and the system.

White man hunted the black man, now white man(upper class) are now hunting whites and blacks and any race that come to this so called Lucky Country.

I once said, there will be a civil war in Australia, wont be races against races, it be Us against Them.

You are spot on there Docsniper....the sooner the general public get off their butts and start backing these victims....the less likely it will happen to them, well one can only hope so.

What human soul that has not been invading by DOCS will never ever understand the grief.
The only way, ever, for the public to ever know of this, is by way of media, to do a documentary in the lives of the abused parent/s family/ies. for the Public that is not effected by the virus of DOCS, to see and to feel and to understand that with in Australia Humans are being Discriminated, abused, and the Government are the ones to blame.

For this to go world wide, War is a war, whether with a gun/bombs or with courts to seek justice.
A inquiry into this is also needed to open up the said corruption and to show the world that Australia is NOT that lucky and Fair country.
And that The PM that is in control is not up for the job.

A documentary is ideal, but can only be carried out using parents and children who are not subjected to any orders... Otherwise the law is broken. Oh, a child's face and voice can be masked - but the child can be identified through the parent.

I know a few that will be willing to do their part in a documentary and are not on any orders.

but, why not have any family/parent/s do a home video and use U-Tube?.

when there are orders and there is corruption.....the orders a useless....how else can these morons be exposed

Solicitors and magistrates must love this too, keeps them in a job! Poor children, poor children!

Well the Magistrates and lawyers would with criminals about but DChS wouldn't have too much of a job, they would have to really do their job with those that are abusing children! They don't take on them cases do they?! Not out here they don't anyway!

Did you say you had BPD? You seem ok to me, more normal than most in DChS, you've got common sense and that goes along way with fighting a case against DChS...it really does so dont' think you can't do this, you can, you just don't trust anything the Dept proposes and think one step ahead of the Dept at all times...

You may have certain times to contact the Dept, nothing stops letters going through, pm me for more info if you like!

Got it and replied!

Just because someone has a mental health diagnosis it does not and should not rule them out as being a fit parent.

LOL


"I Am Sam" is proof of that... The movie with Michelle Pfeiffer and Sean Penn. I bet that movie ruffled a few feathers when it was released.

You would think wouldn't you thisisgood but this is what is happening, even with depression...

You have the mental health system trying to promote mental health not as a stigma to deny or hide from then you have DChS who use it in such a way as taboo that people are too scared to go to psychiatrists to be properly diagnosed to get good fitting help knowing that DChS can just remove your child and go for guardianship orders, where they don't think of parent or child even when things get better...Disgusting...

This not only drives the parents further insane - but it's been known kids have suicided themselves due to the oppression DChS give out to these families.

That's why there is a term in court such as Scandalous and oppressive, b/c it's known to happen in any society, but especially so in court jurisdictions...

and that is exactly what DChS present when trying to win their case, scandalous and oppressive material which for parents is a legal argument for their case and should be mentioned that that's what the Dept have submitted...

A magistrate has to listen to the parent/s once this is said, and even though he/she will require a response affidavit it really isn't that difficult to do.

You just present the truth of the matter in the same format the Dept has, responding to each allegation in order the Dept has presented it but try to be brief. And split statements into paragraphs for easier reading, dates and non-administration of the law in bold to gain attention etc...

If you can prove that they lied, the onus is on the Dept who then have to prove by evidence that either they are right or you statement is false...

Let them try! That's why you always become a hoarder of reports/letters, and any other paperwork for anything happening in your life....better than the tax system of keeping things for 5 years, you keep them for life!

Guardianship order or custody order? They are 2 different things.

It's a bit of a grey area, the idea of removing a child because the parent was diagnosed by a shrink.

Doctor/patient confidentiality comes into play. The only time the shrink can divulge info is either because they believe the child is at risk of harm, or DoCS subpoena the file.

The main reason why parents won't seek psychiatric help for themselves is the cost. A good psychiatrist is around $500 per hour.

Also, if a parent has obtained help from a psychiatrist BEFORE DoCS become involved it really doesn't hold a lot of water for DoCS to remove the child from the home... The only thing they can really claim to "need" to do is monitor the parent. Particularly if the child has not been harmed.

The parent has taken responsible steps... They have sought help, received a diagnosis, commenced treatment.

Also, the chance of getting a psychiatrist that is in the pocket of DoCS would be pretty unlikely. DoCS on the Gold Coast don't have a shrink in the vicinity - they send parents to one particular psychiatrist in Brisbane. And there are loads of shrinks in this area.

It has commonly been guardianship orders are sought if 1 parent has a mental health condition and the other is unwilling and unable or both have mental health conditions...well that's the DChS excuse anyhoo...and that is whether or not they sought help before DChS involvement, including post natal depression.

It might be just my area for DChS to target parents with mental health but I know it's common.

Yeah? I didn't know... I just learned something. LOL

Mind you, my case has never really involved mental health... They tried it, but got their butts busted and didn't like it at all.

Post Natal Depression is a nothing thing. By that, I mean it's so darn common. The instances of diagnosed PND are rising constantly. It's the depth of the condition that varies (mild, moderate, severe).

It's so common that they will try to have it diagnosed as something else more serious to validate their claim that they MUST be granted an order.

And how many Drs mis diagnose these days.....hell they come up with new names for conditions continually.....probably because they are academic idiots.....most of them anyway.

New names are often given to conditions that have been around for decades.

I know that ADD/ADHD has had about 3 or 4 different names in the last century.

The only good thing about any kind of diagnosis is that if DoCS think that it's wrong - that the person/child does NOT have that condition - they can not change the fact that the person/child HAS been diagnosed.

Whether it's accurate or inaccurate, a diagnosis has occurred.

iT IS ALL MIND GAMES......

The whole thing behind a DoCS case is a mind game.

Just reading the contents of an affidavit alone can screw with a parent's head and they love that... The know that many parents out there don't really understand what is written in affidavits and that works in their favour in the court room.

Ask a CSO about the affidavit and they'll tell you to get legal advice. Sure, legal reps understand the terminology and wording of affidavits, but not everyone can afford a solicitor and not everyone is granted Legal Aid.

And then there are reports... Written in a language that is geared around th knowledge of that of the professional who wrote it. DoCS themselves will admit that often they don't understand what's written in the reports - but they commissioned them.

How many parents here know what "Gillick competent" means? And "scales" - on the X scale at this percentage rah rah rah.

And at the end of the day the parent is worn down. Their head is completely done in by unfounded accusations and terminology and abbreviations that they don't understand.

I could comment but I am too tired and better go off to bed.
Have plenty to say on this topic another time.
Goodnight.

You are so totally correct and right on your comment Rainbow...and every parent can relate to this comment without having to compare affidavit's and stories.

I thought the Dept were accountable with the CMC for unethical practices for garbage like this let alone a court?

As a lawyer said they're 'unreasonables' but I say they think they're untouchables...Well we'll see won't we !

Hmm, the CMC can be a bit of a grey area. Oh, they're interested in things that go on with DoCS - but crime or misconduct has to have been carried out.

Misconduct itself is rife through DoCS office. So rife that it's common practice. But to get it to the CMC it's got to be juicy.

In my situation, where they hit me with a notification 48 hours after they hit a friend of mine with the exact same notification - it was juicy.

The notification was word-for-word from the exact same worker to the both of us. Same notification, same supposed behaviours from the children, same activities the children were doing.

The worker accused me of smelling a rat and putting 2 and 2 together (can't think of the word he actually used)... But my solicitor arced up straight away and said that it wasn't me who was concerned - that there were a group of SOLICITORS who are VERY concerned that were now considering taking it to the CMC.

Just 2 weeks later the worker is in a new job away from DoCS.

Wow!! that takes the award for tonight's viewing!

if you saw some of the cases that went before the cmc in concerning docs.....youd wonder how the hell they could not find anything amiss.....I was told by a gov person with stop gov security clearance that my case would overturn the whole gov....yet the cmc so no wrong....so figure that out.....

Put it this way, my friend and I heard so much of the same thing that we were beginning to think that if such a thing DID happen, then our children must have been together at the same place at the same time exhibiting these things.

But foster children don't associate with eachother as playmates and my friend's daughter lives in Toowoomba.

Both "notifications" were that much the same it was uncanny.

Conspiracy! That's the word the CSO used.

Knew it would come to me...

The CMC won't work unless the parent goes through the correct complaints protocol.

To go through the process correctly is a lengthy endeavour. A parent literally has to wait 28 days per step to allow the previous step time to respond... No response, move to next step, allow 28 days... And so on.

If a parent doesn't go through the process the way it's supposed to be done, it gets disregarded.

I know that some of you may not agree - but I got this information from the CMC themselves.

They actually thought I had a case worth looking into in regard to DoCS (my entire DoCS case that is) and they were interested - but they told me (on the sly) that it wouldn't get to where it needed to be unless the whole process was carried out properly.

I say stuff their protocol....they lost that right when they abused my rights and that of my family......they are the corrupted abusers, not me.....and that forensic psychologist.....and the children's psychologist....