I spoke to my children this weekend about the decision DoCS have made to reduce contact with my son.

Miss 10: "Why we should have him living with us. Why dont they want to let him see us more?"

Miss 10: "They (DoCS and the Carers) are so mean"

Mr 8: "I know they are poo bums"
Me (reply to mr 8): You need to tell DoCS what you think and what you want"
Mr 8: "no i cant"
Me: "Why?"
Mr 8:"because if i do they wont be my case worker any more"

Mr 8 has had at least 2-4 case worker changes every year, and is obviously sick of the changes.
He feels that his case workers change because of something he has done, and as a result wont tell them what he thinks or what he wants, as everytime he requests a change in contact they get a new case worker.

What do your children think about DoCS and their decisions?

Thats a very good point.
Why doesnt anybody listen when a child that understands the actions of what he/she is saying.?

The Child:, No, there is no abuse, there is no grooming. I want to be with my family.can I go home.? thats are my needs and wants.

Instead as you stated, new case workers. or they try to brainwash them to concede to their thinking.
Why isnt anybody in that power Listening?.

Thats like that 14 yr old here in townsville, That told and complain about her carer molesting her, DOCS< didnt want to listen, Until that 14 yr old walked in their office and poured petrol all over herself and lite up, NOW! they listen.

Kids have a different way of handling the abuse and the neglect, to adults.
Kids. will cross lines and not think twice about it, when they are in that type of position.

How does a new born have a choice, how does any child that cant even walk or talk, tell where they want to be or what they want?. when its the parent/s that knows their own childs needs and wants. thats why we are called Parents, its just government taking away our rights to be that parent.
The whole system is retarded.

Very good point Bella.

That is an interesting question Bella.

My 12 year old son won't talk to them... Absolutely refuses to.

My 15 year old daughter absolutely abuses them. She tells them where to go and how to get there at the top of her voice and doesn't pull her punches.

And speaking of case workers - I just found out that I am about to get a new one... This will be my 9th in 2 1/2 years.

They are well hated in my family also.

My daughter 12 has finished talking to the CPS
My twins 17 went today and I know one of them gave them what its worth, unfortunately the other I have no Idea.

As i have said on this posting, they have ruined my family, and its falling apart at the knees, not only have docs been trying to remove my 12 year old, my 17 (twin) son, moved out yesterday and isnt talking to me....

Stress from Docs.... I think so, they have done so much damage, it can never be repaired.

Re: above WantsJustice you need to document all this, the dates, what who said what etc. The outcome result. How you felt. How it is affecting you and your relationship with your family etc.

And if it makes you feel any better it is not you alone who goes through this. I would assume this is a normal family reaction through dealing with docs.
My personal experience is that my own family was divided. My sister (50yo) has invited my parents to her house for Christmas but not invited me. i had Christmas at my house about 2 years ago and that relative was invited here. I am black listed by this sibling. We were once close, close for some 40 years prior to docs involvement in my life. She blames me for my child being abused whilst in foster care "It was you (i.e. me) who rang docs so it is your fault that your child was abused in foster care. I personally don't understand her logic. But family dynamics.

So thanks docs, thanks a lot.

Thanks thisisgood,

I feel so crushed, that I have no control over the situation, and i am losing the children one by one, I am trying to hold the family together, and I thought they were all behind me but slowly they are dwindling away.

I have no family, as my father abused me as a child physically, mentally and sexually, therefore I have nothing to do with him, but to put icing on all of that, my whole family sided with my father, even though he admitted it to them. So I am all alone, no family as such, only the family I have under my own roof, and that is crumbling.

All cause why....Corruption and Manipulation...Docs are trying to cover up their mistakes by making bigger ones.

Only tonight I heard on the radio, that they have been up to their antics again, an 18 month baby was murdered by the mother, after asking DOCS for help, they refused...Now there is an investigation into DOCS and why they didn't help this poor mother. When I find the article I will post it.

yeah, it makes me feel sick, reading this.

Don't tell docs you were abused by your father as they will use this against you. they will say it is history repeating itself and your children are at greater risk from you due to your past.

we are each other's 'new' family here. We have love, belonging and acceptance from each other regardless of where we are or who we are. It's almost cult-ish - anti-docs cult.lol.

i'm sick in the head.

Too Late they already know, I spent my first session with CPS talking about this..... they got me!!!!!, they say history repeats itself, I made a promise I would never be like my father, and Im not, Yes they say im an unfit mother, because I cant protect my children...... I cant stop them from abuse......

The truth of the matter is that we can NOT completely protect our children from abuse - yet we are expected to.

I'm not going to appologise for the inability to be a miracle worker.

"Abuse" is an umbrella term to DoCS... There are a whole heap of definitions that fit under this umbrella and DoCS squash anything they like under there to add to the mix.

My major issue is that even if our children are removed from us, they are STILL subjected to what DoCS would call abuse.

They are subjected to abuse by CSOs, the police, foster carers and even school teachers - all of whom have the exact same idea about treating a child as the parents do!!

I was abused by DOCS at the age of 5, and I still remember every details of it.
now in adulthood and its still the same and the cycle has continued to my children.
If your below the avg pay and live in poverty, you are classed as cattle. easy targets for DOCS.

Oh so true, removed from you because they are deemed 'at risk' and put with other people who could abuse them.
Look at my child removed off me due to being a child at risk then actually being abused physically with smacks that lasted one week on his buttocks for pooing his pants.

And 1 in 4 women are sexually abused. Why don't they take every chld off every parent at birth and then the parent has to prove they are worthy to parent. the child could be at risk until proven otherwise.
I've argued this before. It sounds mad but do you see my point.

sadly, No. Parents that become a parent does this in one way, To breed,to have offspring's to carry your gene to the next.
at 18 something in me said, time to breed.by 22, My 1st son is born.lo, now hes 22. and nothing like me as i was at that age. Ready to be a man to a woman to build a family.
No books to learn from, How to be a parent, that was handed to me by my mum.

Being a parent is Normal having children is normal, DOCS are retards nowhere being normal.
Instead of a parent proving they can. how about Mature People working for Docs, How about that to apply, you have to be married and have children.
Not some frk'd up uni student with a chip on a shoulder.
Its the education system that taught these docs workers, Its the government training them to be Nazi's.
How many docs workers themselves that have been molested or abused, are now in a position to take personal vengeance?. how many docs workers have other frkheads like them,as friends?. and would help them, to take down a man.

Being a parent is not reading from a text book on how to do the job, its inbuilt, maternal, comes naturally,

Yes of course we all make mistakes, thats what life is about, as long as we learn from them. Being a parent is a natural thing, that comes from within.

Docs workers agreed, majority are not parents, have some sort of past, and want revenge, some you will find that are also lesbians, and hate men.
But most of all their on the job training is reading from a text book...

lets go deeper with that shell we.

Females, at a tender age of whatever are programmed/brainwashed by the parents as these same parents were also programmed/brainwashed by their parents.
as this females grows up, she is playing dolls and parents buy her toy kitchen ware and the likes of that.
by the time she gets to 10, she is baby sitting other younger members of that family. she is being taught how to be a mom. a parent, by 11 or 12, she will know how to cook and look after house.

Males are treated differently in the raising.

Now tell me if that scenario is false

Sorry not this day and age, i dont think so, its illegal for a 10 year old to babysit, being taught to be a mom at 10, i dont agree, and 11 and 12 know how to cook, that may have been 20 years ago, but not now.
Different concepts, they are lazier, no interest, and want to either sit on the computer or hang out with their freinds, go on a shopping spree, but that responsibility in children has disintegrated as the generations have passed

maybe illegal, but it does happen.
we program our kids to believe in a Santa and a easter bunny.

we program our kids, your a girl, your boy, you get pink and you get blue, you play with dolls and you play with toy cars. ect, and rah-rah-rah.