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Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT The most hated Government Department - Thu 19 Oct 2006 04:20:AM
Dept of Child Safety, The most hated Government Department

Department Of Child Safety, The most hated Government Department

Child Safety, The most hated Government Department






I will release the appropriate name if needed in late 2008 so these Government fools will see that they are about to be exposed. I also will use a Lovely Avator that will get up their nose and there will be sweet F.ck all they will be able to do about it. I have also been approached by others that I have met via GOOGLES that are willing to mirror this forum on other sites using overseas servers so in simple terms I want to get my message across to the Australian Population to what this pathetic Government department is up to without the public knowing what is going on. The Odd thing is the people that will be using these forums are from all walks of life that have been screwed by this Government department and just happen to be Lawyers, ex and current members from the Police force, sacked Employees that use to work for this Pathetic Government Department, thank you guys for the info you have given me as I always believe you must keep mud on your employer just in case they ever do the dirty on you. I have School teachers and just about anyone that walks on what use to be a great country called Australia before the Zealots moved into this Government Department.
Boy oh boy, I love Googles, it really does educate you and finds what you are looking for and also, it has found the people which will be using these forums. l_sabre
Its Payback time for the sins you all have committed.
This forum will remain idle and just parked for a long while, just waiting,waiting,and more waiting. mad and yes when the time comes the Department in question will be exposed mad
No its not the Taxation department, No its not the Police Service, No its not any of our local councils, No its not our State Government but they should be responsible for allowing this pathetic Government out of control department ruining peoples lives and yes its mainly run with disgruntled women that have a hatred of men. The Clock is ticking and at the end of the day or month or years we are going to have the last laugh as we will expose you for what your really are. l_sabre mad mad mad
Posted By: Master V Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 25 Oct 2006 03:03:AM
Too many women in critical areas in Government are against men. Have you ever gone to your local Female member of Parliament with a complaint about anything?. And if this is the case next time don't waste your time sent your wife instead because you will get more action.
Posted By: Mr DVD Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 27 Oct 2006 02:54:AM
Originally Posted by Master V
Too many women in critical areas in Government are against men. Have you ever gone to your local Female member of Parliament with a complaint about anything?. And if this is the case next time don't waste your time sent your wife instead because you will get more action.
This sort of thing happens in Australia and not where I am from. The most hated Government Department I wonder which one as there are plenty in Australia like the Police force and there speed revenue cameras but this department does not that I know have many Women in it. So I wonder which one is it. thinking
Doing some researching on the net via Google and I can tell you this you will spend months reading the mistakes that this most hated Government Department has done, they are even called Gestapo's and Kidnappers and they get away with it but for how long, It will come to an end and the public needs to know.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 01 Nov 2006 05:10:AM
Now this sounds very interesting a post for the most hated Government department where most that work there are Women, I might have to hang around here for some action when it starts. I told my bro about this and being a good lawyer as he is he will keep an eye on this especially since his wife has ripped him off and she also works for the State Government.
Cathy and the crew.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 03 Nov 2006 05:21:AM
Cathy!!!
Long time no see!
I have a feeling what Government department I hate Gov Dept is talking about but I won't say not yet anyhow but when we are given the big ok it will be interesting as I pm'd member I Hate Gov Dept
before he removed the pm service of his nick and he sent me some links and holy shit it will be a shit fight and indeed it will be a payback and I wonder how many will lose their jobs over this one.
Keep getting the info I hate Gov because you have plenty to stick on this site. As a matter of interest why don't the lot of you get together on one site say this one, Its just my thought.
Originally Posted by jaremt
Cathy!!!
Long time no see!
I have a feeling what Government department I hate Gov Dept is talking about but I won't say not yet anyhow but when we are given the big ok it will be interesting as I pm'd member I Hate Gov Dept
before he removed the pm service of his nick and he sent me some links and holy shit it will be a shit fight and indeed it will be a payback and I wonder how many will lose their jobs over this one.
Keep getting the info I hate Gov because you have plenty to stick on this site. As a matter of interest why don't the lot of you get together on one site say this one, Its just my thought.


For the moment I will leave this thread on the most Hated Gov Dept as it is because its simple. I have a friend in need and if they don't back off I won't back off and this site aus-city is only the appetisers for now 9 other sites that will start simultaneously once I give the go ahead. The other forum owners that happen to have overseas servers like this one have told me they don't want a forum or a thread from a forum just sitting there collecting dust and not being used, similar to what this one is doing, but because we need one which is on this site aus-city.com to get the message through, the others can wait. See, this most hated government department makes it to the papers at least on a weekly basis with their problems and their arrogance and it was only in Sundays paper that there was another segment. The journalist wrote a good report or better still a bad report for this department and maybe its time that someone rings him and heads him in the right direction, to dig up more dirt on this department, because you won't have to dig far, the hated messages on the internet are incredible to read and once the go ahead is given if needed, this forum and the other 9 with the authority of the editors and writers of the other sites eg Crikey.com and similar sites, I will copy and paste everything about this hated department from these sites, full of mistakes and by the look of it they very rarely apologise when they make a mistake. It will be simple, there will be a mile to read and some of the most juiciest photos you will ever see to prove to the public what this disgusting government department gets up to. Gee, I like mobile phones, especially the ones with cameras in them, see they deny things, but I wonder if they will deny it once everyone in Australia can see it? See, some of the people that I have contacted via the internet (thank God for Google) have now left Australia and they are in their right to defame, mention names and even put up photographs of the persons in question, because again, these people live overseas and all the servers are out of Australia, so you guys and gals you have my blessing and believe me, out of 7 I have contacted, 5 of them are women that want their revenge and one of them used to work for the department of most hated. Again, at the end of 2007, it will be very interesting. As an arab friend of mine said to me and my friend, converted into English, "Do not do to others that you don't want done to yourself". It will be pay back time.
Did you notice the VIEWS are slowly going up, The attention will come soon.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 10 Nov 2006 04:53:AM
I get your point I hate Gov dept, Jesus they need a rocket stuck up them, the lot of them and yes I agree keep it quiet until its time because as Cathy said you will do the most damage. They know these post are here and they would have to be blind not to find the others on the other sites which have not been censored in any way from others.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 27 Nov 2006 03:16:AM
The views still going up.
It shows you someone is reading this parked thread but what I like is the other sites are doing the damage.
Yes jaremt
It good to see that we have over 1000 views at the moment jump It shows you someone or some Government Department of the most hated is watching and reading bye I wonder if I backtrace their ip's I wonder where it will take me to jump HaHaaaaa
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 08 Dec 2006 04:16:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Yes jaremt
It good to see that we have over 1000 views at the moment jump It shows you someone or some Government Department of the most hated is watching and reading bye I wonder if I backtrace their ip's I wonder where it will take me to jump HaHaaaaa


You don't have to be a Politician to work that one out
Posted By: George H Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 15 Dec 2006 05:00:AM
By the smell of it it must be worst than Centrelink?, I wonder which one it is??
George
Not long now!
Someone tells me that there is going to be a Royal Commission very soon about this most hated Government Department. Yes the Shit is about to hit the fan as hundreds have complained about this hated Government Department and with the same complaint too. Hey Losers you're not going to get away with it not this time.
Yes one half of this most hated Government Department just happens be be the Police service, Look I don't care what happens in other states but in Queensland corruption is RIFE.
It is just about impossible for a fortnight to go past without a dirty cop being busted for breaking the laws that they suppose to represent, Its pathetic!! The Papers, The News, and even ACA or Today tonight on Channel 7 have had stories about cops that bend the law to suit themselves. Did anyone by any chance see the segment on Today tonight about the Cop booking people for JAY walking across the road, The same Idiot after knocking off jay walked across the road to go back to the police station.
Mind you Today Tonight had camera's on the entire Police station going for lunch and just about every member of that station jay walked across the road, the cops saw them so why didn't he book them.
NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is only a minor matter for God sake, I can tell you over a dozen more that have happened over the last 2 years but I have other things more important to do for the moment and most of these matters that I know the Police have been charged with serious criminal charges. What wrong with them?, this makes me sick even up the top they don't add up. The Police union say we are going on a go slow because we want a pay rise for our members so we won't be issuing traffic tickets tomorrow to hurt the Governments revenue, but the very next week after ACA and Today Tonight front them about the location of their speed camera the same management in the Police says the cameras are there to stop the road toll not to collect revenue. Which one is it fool!!!.
Oohhhhh No the Police service has problems ooooooHHH Yes they do but nothing compared to that other Government department that is full of inexperienced F.UCKwits (Mainly Women)that have ruined thousand of families here in Qld. Mind you the CMC (Crimes Misconduct Commission) lately has had ongoing Royal Commission on them, and is about to start another, well what can I say Terry just put this one in the queue with the others but because of the media attention I bet you you will push this one out and up the front wont you?.
How can you put inexperienced men hating fools in such a critical department and they're protected by a Government ACT where they cannot be sued if they make a horrific mistake. I have been told that most of these men hating zealots have been either sacked or have left their job and gone into hiding and some of them have even moved interstate otherwise they will be looking over their shoulders for the rest of their men hating lives.
Your days are numbered bitches, there is a saying "quote" Do not do to others that you don't wont done to yourself, changing state means nothing a PI will fix that, I wonder if your own family knows what sort of a monster you really are. Well I originally said the end of 2007 but it looks more likely now to be 2008, I can wait, Yes I'm still here, No I will never forgive or forget you.
PS,,,, Look at the Viewed on this thread, its just about the longest on this site now, not bad and like I said before the Admin has told me the ip's are mostly from the most hated Government department, Haaaaaaaaa I'm patient are you?, I'm just waiting my turn.
See ya Zealots!!
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Yes jaremt
It good to see that we have over 1000 views at the moment jump It shows you someone or some Government Department of the most hated is watching and reading bye I wonder if I backtrace their ip's I wonder where it will take me to jump HaHaaaaa


Try now 2607 Views.
Posted By: King Curtis Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 09 Oct 2007 03:15:PM
This must no doubt be the Child Support agency here in Queensland you are talking about.
My Brother has been paying child maintenance for 10 years for his 3 children, well he thought he had 3 children that were his but DNA tests revealed later on that 2 of them are not his. After paying maintenance for all these years on the eldest two he took his "X" wife to court to regain the money he forked out on the kids that were not his and won but could you believe that the Child Support Agency which are mostly Women said to him Well you enjoyed the company of the children for years didn't you?, someone has to pay for them.
They must be joking, what a bunch of retards
Mate the Child Support Agency is a shocker and always favours the woman and has had a couple of Royal Commissions here and there but NO! its not the most hated Government Department for Mistakes and yes this hated Department never apologise when they get it wrong.
And as for this hated Department forget trying to get compensation out of them when they get it terribly wrong as they are a protected species and because they know this that they cannot be sued they do what they want. Mind you the CPA is in the papers once every three months this other mob is in the papers two to three time a week.
I might as well add a copy here in this thread, it is some how related to the above but guess what the Police Service today even with its faults is nothing compared to the most Hated Government Department. No comparison!!!!.




Well watching Channel Nine News last night (15/10//07)I just caught a segment about Queensland police getting caught in their own speed cameras. It was interesting once again thanks to the freedom of information ACT and a good reporter that reported this but I would like to add my two bobs worth.
See what attracted my attention to this story was the high percentage of police whilst off duty that were booked for speeding but it was the case of an outrageous percentage of them that write a letter to the department with a reason why they were speeding and they get off. Now as I said I just caught this story by a second so I don't exactly remember the percentage that get off but it was high and I can tell you this that the average Tom Dick and Harry that has been caught speeding has got BUCKLEY'S change of getting off as easy as the off duty Police do so how do they do it? Haaaaaa easy!!

No I'm not saying where I got this info from but some of us unfortunately have relatives or friend in the Police service and yes they do enjoy a drink at a BBQ and yes the drink has a habit of loosening a few lips and this is what I over heard at a Bathurst 1000 party that got my ears ringing.
See what is getting around the traps in the Police service is just say an off duty Police officer is driving his or her private car on a public road and in a split second they unfortunately get zapped by a speed camera for speeding and they know that they have been busted what they do is accelerate and pull over the first car that just happen to be in front of them.
Now they will pull the car over for any reason like Sir/Madam why were you drifting in your lane, or your brake light are coming on and off or whatever stupid or silly reason they can use to pull the car in front of them over so they can get details, times and whatever needed so the off duty cop can write his or her letter saying this was the reason why he or she was speeding.
I find this what I heard absolutely disgusting and outrageous that we have a law for the common person and we have a loophole for the Police.
What I would like for the General public to do is if you pass a speed camera and you are not speeding whatsoever and for some reason just after or kms later down the road you get pulled over for whatever reason by anyone and they just happens to flash a badge at you and ask for your details which you give him or her ask for his or her name and service number (They could refuse or ask why?), also get details, time, "etc" of the car they are driving and number plate and report them to the CMC (Crimes Misconduct Commission)You never know you could be lucky, See if the CMC investigate and it just happens the Police officer gives them the same excuse as they put in their letter to get off the fine the CMC will know that the Police Officer in question is on the nose, and after this message on this forum gets around they might think twice before pulling this swifty again.
Remember all, the way I look at it the Police are not above the law and they should be treated equally like the rest of us.
Now let me see where is the phone number for the CMC.
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Posted By: musicman Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 28 Oct 2007 12:18:PM
I wonder what Government department could be more bent than any Australian police service. I would love to see statistics to see
what state has the most corrupt cops over a 5 year period.
But for this most hated Government Department thats worse than any police service in Australia I wouldn't think that would be possible.
Originally Posted by musicman
I wonder what Government department could be more bent than any Australian police service. I would love to see statistics to see
what state has the most corrupt cops over a 5 year period.
But for this most hated Government Department thats worse than any police service in Australia I wouldn't think that would be possible.


Missed this one
Possible it is musicman
This Most hated Government Department is responsible for ruining people lives only because you stand up to them. Do you know that some of these scumbags that work in this Department are in hiding because of their crimes Hiding as in they don't work there anymore because of their mistakes. The time is passing BITCHES!
You know whats funny?
We have a thread here called The most hated Government Department and it says nothing about anything but has possibly the highest amount of views on any other threads on this entire aus-city site.
I bet most of the hits are coming from employees of the most hated Government department worried when and if I spill the beans.

I will spill the beans its just a case of who is going to wear them. By the way if you try funny things to close this topic down I will only start in on another untouchable server, and if you try to shut me down I gladly have others that will take over.
Do you get the hint witches?.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year to MOST that have read this long post on this forum and to the others that work for the most hated Government Department I hope a curse will destroy your lives.

PS: Did you all read about more Police corruption in QLD?, Don't you love it?, they preach the law, they enforce that bit of the law, and the same truckwit cop breaks the same bit of the law. Enjoy your Christmas fool!!
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 09 Jan 2008 01:39:PM
My brother in Queensland tells me that the most hated Government department has to be CSA (child support agency). See, my brother has been divorced for quite a few years now and he has been paying maintenance for his three children. He lives like a scrooge in a one bedroom unit, where half his wage goes in paying child maintenance to his ex-wife, where she lives like a queen in a big house with her new boyfriend that earns a good wage.

Now, we just find out last year that his last child that he has been paying maintenance for for years is not his. A DNA test was done and this has been proven that his bitch of a wife has been screwing around and fallen pregnant to another man. Now because of current laws in Queensland and because he didn't get permission to get the DNA test done by his ex-wife he is in the shit. Mind you, there are womens action groups here in Queensland including a political party that are trying to block legislation changes that would allow fathers to get a DNA of their children to make sure they are his biological children before paying maintenance. If anyone has ever had to lower themselves in dealing with the CSA, I think you will know what my brother is going through. He tells me also they are all run by women and some are very bitter. I will give you an example of what was said: Quote: "Well you have enjoyed the child for the last few years and now you tell me you don't want to pay for him, someone has to pay for him". This is the answer he gets and this is what he has to put up with, so what will happen now? He has to take this matter to court and try to be reimbursed for the money he has paid for maintenance of a child that is not his. What is wrong with this department? Why do women stick up for women? They know she is in the wrong and yet they are still protecting her and bleeding my brother dry. Just do a search on the internet about this department and you will find fathers in distress left right and centre being bled dry by this system. Maybe, my brother is unlucky, since day one anyone that has had anything to do with his case was a woman, why don't they put men in some of these jobs? Or is it a case that they have been scared out of these positions? One day something will have to be done because the amount of fathers committing suicide in Australia is out of control and in most cases they are involved with the CSA. mad mad mad
Jaremt
You're getting close but I have to tell you that the CSA Child Support Agency is one but not the most hated Government Department. mad
This most hated Government department employs over 90% women where most are too young and inexperienced to be in this position and the rest are made up of bitter divorced men hating ZEALOT lesbian's that enjoy their work. mad
I have read many stories about the CSA and not long ago they were on Today Tonight on Channel 7 with an outrageous case against a Father. In general its men who are at fault today because most men today all they want to do is go to work, watch TV, play sports, go out and FORGET POLITICS. Women today complain that they are hard done by and this has to be the biggest lie only to be beaten by the lack of WMD's not found in Iraq.
Do you know how many womens action groups are in Australia compared to mens? well say around 50 to 1. Again I blame men today because they will not get off their arse A.R.S.E to do something about it. Its one way traffic out there and at the moment its in favor of women. mad
Hey jaremt! Checking a few lonely Fathers forums last night It seems CSA use that phrase to just about all if DNA method is ever used to prove that one of your so called children is not yours.
"Well you enjoyed the company of the child didn't you"? or something very close to this.
Statistics say 1 in 20 children do not belong to their so called Father.
Surely It cant be that bad can it.
I struck 3 more in the same boat as your brother jaremt over the weekend, all have children from 2 to 15 years old and from 1 to 5 kids paying maintenance when they suspect that one or more of their kids might not be his.
Before this forum was formed we had a couple of men with the same issues in the Controversy's Corner Forum. I have spoke to King Curtis about this matter and his story is very similar to others.
Very sad.
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Yes jaremt
It good to see that we have over 1000 views at the moment jump It shows you someone or some Government Department of the most hated is watching and reading bye I wonder if I backtrace their ip's I wonder where it will take me to jump HaHaaaaa


Try now 2607 Views.



Try 4612 Views and climbing bye
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 19 Feb 2008 02:41:PM
4870 and counting
Best Posts I've ever seen, It says nothing but has a massive amount of views to its count.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 20 Feb 2008 05:19:PM
Trouble posting Help!
There is a glitch in this forum as others cannot post ATM, Only the Moderator can post.
Maybe I should leave it this way the way it has been left since the forum update.
I will made a decision later on this year If I will put the complete story of this most hated Government department on this site aus-city.com, or I will just finish this long thread that has been going on for over a year with one simple link redirecting all to another site (maybe I will use both) that cannot be touched or bullied to remove over 100 pages of complaints and stories from different people plus photos of some of the fat over weight high body odour, men hating, one eyed zealots that deserve to be exposed. Just think I am just one of the thousands that hates them and the odd thing is over 60% of the complaints against them are put in by women not men.

Also I will leave a list of do's and don't if you ever have the misfortune to deal with this ZEALOT most hated most despised Government department which is about to get more power from that other loser our premier Anna Bligh
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 28 Feb 2008 04:35:PM
You should have used the words SUPER MORBIDLY OBESE instead of fat over weight high body odour.
This must be one hell of a department if they work for the above.?
Tell me for torture do they sit on you?
Good to see the amount of hits were getting on this thread considering it say nothing about anything yet.
Could you imagine what will happen when I plaster this thread with Photo's and about 100 pages + links related to this thread.
Will be getting a lawyers opinion first.
Bye Bye Bitches from hell, sleep well,I think about you all every day and every night.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 09 Mar 2008 01:01:AM
Your Keepting me in suspense 'I hate GOV DEPT'! I sent you a pm for a pvte telling if you have to if it has anything to do with the DChs...

Having issues now with them as my username indicates...and my kids would tell if they weren't gagged and hidden let alone ignored or threatened...

LovingMyKids.

LovingMyKids
You never know you could be right.
What I will say is just look at the views on this thread and it just about outstrips all other threads on this entire aus-city site and I have said nothing. See the bitches from hell are continually viewing this site. Just waiting for when I am going to spill the beans and it will happen on this site or others and I think you might know one other that just started up a few weeks ago again.
There is no doubt it will be payback time for this most hated Government Department for the sins they have committed and they will not ever get away with it.
Yes I can fill stories about this Zealot driven Government department but what I mainly want to do is educate the population of Australia but mainly Queensland peoples Legal rights and the do's and don't when you ever have to deal with this despicable perverted Government Department.
The Biggest problem we have today is the average person does not understand their legal rights and this will change if I have anything to do with it.
Take care LovingMyKids remember what I told you in that PM.
WOW
5910 views, keep em coming girls!!

Now all you girls from the most hated Government Department Please don't read the below, It has nothing to do with you lot.
Actually please do the opposite you could be lucky.



Well its Easter time and its the best time for revenue collection for the Captain Bligh Government.

We continually hear on the news and read the papers that speed cameras are for saving lives on the road and not a revenue raising racket for the Government. But most of us have heard the police union dude (now disposed)say when the police are going on strike "QUOTE" WE WONT MAN THE SPEED CAMERAS AS THIS WILL HURT THE GOVERNMENT IN COLLECTING ITS REVENUE" now what a contradiction, what a Joke!, which one is it!.
Now I have repeated this before and and once again we have a holiday period that the general driving public will have to put up with all these dirty methods of collecting revenue for the greedy Captain Bligh Government.
Tell me this! just use a little common sense here, Police statistics prove that a motorist that has been booked for speeding via a speed camera has a high chance of getting booked again in the next 10 kms, Now tell me why? I can answer this for you, see the average motorist that gets booked by these sleazy tactics gets cheesed off that much that they drive off swearing their or her heads off and with a bit of heat under their butt they unfortunately speed again only to get caught by another cop with a camera hiding behind a bush.
Truthfully does this accomplish anything except making Captain revenue Bligh happier? No it doesn't all it does is pisses the public off more against the Revenue collecting Police.

You tell me what would save lives on our roads, cops hiding behind bushes, cops with their NEW BLACK Speed camera vans that they mainly use for NIGHTS ONLY White vans mostly used during the day? Cops in unmarked UTES, Cops in unmarked early model station wagons with their poxie flashing lights fitted in the rear of the wagon, this has nothing to do with saving lives on our roads today this has all to do with collecting EXTRA REVENUE for the greedy state Government and leaving booked motorist with hate and anger only to possibly cause an accident a few km's away because they have a dose of the shits because they were booked by (in this particular case) a TAILGATING COP IN A FUC.KING STATIONWAGON (unmarked Police car)pushing a young driver to go faster on the Bruce Highway only to be pulled over by a siren with hidden flashing lights. You wonder why the young drivers today hate the police using tactics like this to deliberately tailgate a young person in a modified vehicle, the person mistakenly speed to gets away from them only to be booked for doing 112 in in 100 zone. What a FUC.KING Disgrace. Mind you, I have written before how the police use dirty tactics to get out from being booked themselves. For those who have not read the article, what a policeperson does whilst driving their own private vehicle and they unfortunately go through a speed camera and they knowingly know that they are speeding, what the do is pull over the first vehicle they can past the speed camera, flashing their badge and they come up with any cock and bull story as to why they pulled them over. It might be a silly thing like your back wheel might be vibrating, you were weaving in and out of a lane or whatever, but most importantly the cop gets the details of the driver they pulled over and with these details they write a letter to whoever to escape them from getting a speeding ticket as they use the pulling of you over as the excuse at to why they were speeding and if it is investigated and someone contacts you, well you were pulled over weren't you?. What a sleazy way of getting out of paying a fine. If you by any chance are driving down a highway or any road and you mysteriously get pulled over by a cop, for whatever and the officer gets your details and probably not booked, get his details and report it to the crimes and misconduct commission if you are in queensland, they know all about this racket now. Someone has alarmed them to it. Mind you the young fella at the top which is a friend of mines son was pushed to break the law but the cops have an easy way out if they get caught speeding. I will let you know I was approached by channel 9 about this and they told me under the freedom of information act, they will be investigating it.
To save lives on our roads we must have marked police cars everywhere because even the idiot on the road that speeds and swerves and changes lanes dangerously will respect a marked police car and do the right thing but unfortunately too many marked police cars cost money, wages to drive the car and the price of fuel and at the end of the day, no one is going to speed when a marked police car is present and Captain Bligh is not going to be happy as she won't be collecting any revenue. What a croc, you make your own opinion.
On another note, I have been told by a few now that the police look for you if you flash your head lights warning motorists of speed cameras, they book you (varies in states) for using high beam in a built up area, well the word getting around now is do not use your high beam to warn motorists during the day, just turn your head lights on and off, they cannot book you for turning your head lights on and off. Also, if you take the matter to court, you tell the magistrate that I did turn my head lights on and off, but I did not flash them as in high beams. I have principles, if I ever got pulled over for flashing my headlights, I would say no, I did not flash my headlights, I turned my lights on and off in low beam, but knowing the cops these days, they will probably come out with their new charge and its called DENYING THE GOVERNMENT REVENUE. I am so surprised just today the amount of people that are warning motorists of an oncoming speed camera, in all the years I have been driving and since the speed cameras have been out, I have never seen a large amount of people warning motorists about these revenue collectors collecting for the state government. It just shows you, people have just had enough and can see what they are up to.
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
WOW
5910 views, keep em coming girls!!


6600 views and counting.

Strange isn't it, I post nothing and they keep coming back.Maybe they're scared I might say something that might offend them. I am patient. reye
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
WOW
5910 views, keep em coming girls!!


6600 views and counting.

Strange isn't it, I post nothing and they keep coming back.Maybe they're scared I might say something that might offend them. I am patient. reye


7800 Views and counting, Tick,Tick,Tick Tick, I'm still here and waiting to pounce.
I cant believe this thread can have have so many views.
Check all thread on the complete aus-city site and see if any are the same.
"NOT LIKELY"! bye
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 24 May 2008 06:06:PM
I cannot believe the amount of hits this thread is getting

And the author hasn't said anything yet, I wonder what will happen when something is said one day? someone must be watching to get this many hits on this site.
Someone is pissed off!.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 25 May 2008 01:15:PM

Something will be said trust me! But not all will be on this site as it will cause a shit fight.
A link here and there will be good bye
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 25 May 2008 02:33:PM
Over 8100 and Climbing.
Does 10,000 sound like a good time to start stirring the pot. teehee
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 27 May 2008 12:34:PM
Yes but others might have beat you to it on other sites
To all trying to post on this forum.
This thread is having problem for member in replying, (Maybe its the View counts) HaHaHa no It will be fixed soon.
The Aus-city server has been updated and sometime you get glitches.

Views are Climbing and only one other thread on this site matches it and again I have nothing YET.
Caz we are looking into the problem. wave
Caz
I sent you a private message(PM)If you see that red Flag flashing Click on it.
As you must understand this forum has and will have very tight security to stop spammers from the most hated Government spamming this forum but If you are stupid enough to spam this forum from your office computer I will find you report you and enjoy you getting the sack. Hi ann hows Optus I see they have booted you off, go find another provider.
Don't you work for the most hated government anymore? did you leave or get the arse (Did you notice I didn't use caps on ann's name, I have a reason for this).
Please all as from now until further notice please do not post as your post will be stuck in the approval queue (A bug).
The forum has a bug and it needs another update, OOhhhh Not another!.
Maybe its a bug from the Most hated Government Department, No They are a disease.
Now I'm getting PM's to find out who this most hated Government Department is. Well for member HAMMER no its not the CSA (child support agency)as this has been talked about before, yes they are mostly run by men hating bitches, yes they have destroyed lives including being responsible for men committing suicide but I have to say this as much as they're hated and they make the news a lot
and current affair shows NOthey don't even rate in the same page as this most hated Government Department.
I will give you all a hint from information that I recovered by accident whilst I was reading some info from a F.O.I document that I obtained that most arrogant and complaint about staff that worked for CSA now work for the most hated Government Department.
It shows you its in their blood.
Views count now over 9000 and getting close to 10,000 and 10,000 could be (PS I said Could be) the time I start educating the Queensland public to who this Government Department is.
You all have a right to know how to defend yourself against this plague which is out of control.Trust me whoever looks at Google for this most Hated Government Department thinking they're looking for help will FIND ME FIRST.
WoW up to 9200 views and still counting, I am still here bitches from hell that work for the mob that some call the scum of the earth
Posted By: starman Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 24 Jun 2008 01:23:PM
Good Morning

I have been reading this long thread for a long while and I cannot for the love of money work out which Department you are talking about.
In Queensland we have a State Government and I would have to say the premier Anna Blight is on the nose and I would never vote for her.
We have the police service and I can vouch for them as they are not perfect but really not the most hated.
We have a long list of other departments like the EPA which have too much power and like pushing it.
I have had problems with Customs, they are arrogant and deserve to be abused.
I read there is always problems with the child support agency and yes they do cause problems mainly against men.
We have Centrelink but I find them fair as long as you don't intentionally rip them off otherwise you deserve it.
We have the education department,housing department of qld, public works, anti discrimination commission, Industrial relations commission, work cover qld and our local councils and now I am stumped as the hated government department has to be in the list above.
Is it or have i missed it?.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 24 Jun 2008 03:43:PM
Is this forum fixed yet or has it still got bugs.
At uni we are dying to find out who this Department is.
The new forum update has fixed a few issues but generated more problems.
Well one day we will get it right.
Meanwhile the counts keep going up. I would like to answer the the post stuck in the control panel but I will wait until we fix this problem.
Originally Posted by starman
Good Morning

I have been reading this long thread for a long while and I cannot for the love of money work out which Department you are talking about.
In Queensland we have a State Government and I would have to say the premier Anna Blight is on the nose and I would never vote for her.
We have the police service and I can vouch for them as they are not perfect but really not the most hated.
We have a long list of other departments like the EPA which have too much power and like pushing it.
I have had problems with Customs, they are arrogant and deserve to be abused.
I read there is always problems with the child support agency and yes they do cause problems mainly against men.
We have Centrelink but I find them fair as long as you don't intentionally rip them off otherwise you deserve it.
We have the education department,housing department of qld, public works, anti discrimination commission, Industrial relations commission, work cover qld and our local councils and now I am stumped as the hated government department has to be in the list above.
Is it or have i missed it?.


You forgot the Taxation Department in that collection.

All I will say is the combined Governments you have their are only about 10% of the trouble that this one and only other SCUM Government Department causes.
At lease the Taxation Department doesn't lie like this other mob do.

The bigger they are the harder they will fall. mad
Originally Posted by ew_289
Is this forum fixed yet or has it still got bugs.
At uni we are dying to find out who this Department is.


No its still broke.

The post have to be manually put into this sub-forum only. Don't you love these forum updates, you fix one bug and get another in return. laughing laughing
Hey counts slow down a little bit otherwise we will get to 10,000 views in no time and this thread will still be a no go.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 30 Jun 2008 12:53:PM
Its funny how this thread could get so many views, someone is reading.
I have just been notified that this problem we are having cannot be fixed for the moment so I have decide to change my ATTACK on the most Hated Government Department that will be exposed soon.
But I have a surprise smile

http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=38267#Post38267

Is this the most hated Government department
NO! they rate only about 40% in my book

Sneaky devils aren't they!.


I spotted this morning on the Bruce Hwy a suspiciously parked old VR 1994 Commodore parked behind the wall near Mango Mill going North.
Now I spotted the same car a few days ago hiding behind this wall but what happened this morning was a ripper. See the car in front of me was a new VE SS MARKED police Hwy patrol commodore and it was slowly slowing before the end of the wall where this Old commodore has been hiding, the New VE Police car put its blinker on and slowed down slowing me down as I was behind it and this Police car turned sharply in the gravel and stopped in front of the hidden VR 1994 old Commodore.
Now I was doing around 80k in a 100 zone being slowed down by the cop and I looked in my rear mirror and what did i see as expected a piggy getting out of the cop car but what got me was a piggy getting out of the parked hidden VR commodore.
These arse's know that radio stations broadcast there positions where they hide with their radars but most would not expect to see a OLD COMMODORE being used as a vehicle used for speed cameras purposes.
For me like what happened this morning the marked VE Commodore SS was followed by a hundred cars and nobody passed it, this is the way to keep loonies of our road not hide a cash register in a old VR Commodore behind the walls.

How Pathatic!.
I just sat down and read todays Courier Mail newspaper for Wednesday the 2nd of July, 2008 and what I see on page 13 makes me sick.

I see a homeless gentleman called Bruce Rowe being unmercifully bashed by police, mind you this gentleman is 67 years old, yes I said 67. See in Queensland we have these new laws called Move on laws and asking this man to move on which he didn't because he had a reason, the police attacked him out in the street, bashed him, knee'd him repeatedly and when an onlooker recorded this incident on his mobile phone video camera, the policeman confiscated the phone and removed the evidence, but the only trouble for the cops was there was a secret camera that viewed the whole incident, which the police strenuously denied at first.

Now, this mess has gone straight to the top, straight to the premiers office to get the police minister Judy Spence sacked as this is not the first time cases like this have popped up where police have used excessive force and lied under oath, police have used unlawful tactics to have a person charged, police have used unlawful ways of editing evidence, police have used unlawful, yes I will repeat it again, unfucking lawful ways of leading a witness, just so that they can get a conviction in a court of law.

Now, the lot of you, be honest, 5 cops getting their rocks off bashing a 67 year old man which showed no resistance whatsoever, these police are nothing but thugs, maybe they got a knockback for a job as a bouncer and decided to join the police force instead. Now tell me this, what fucking jury on this planet would believe an accused in the defendants box in a court of law, after being charged with a few offences and witnessed by 5 cops, you would not have a chance in hell to prove your innocence with statements from 5 burly cops against you, but this guy will get his vindication, because the video evidence showed exactly the opposite of what the police statements were, the police were the aggressors and the police assaulted an innocent elderly man.

There is no doubt the crimes and misconduct commission (CMC)will be investigating this and I hope these officers are sacked, we have no room in the police force for thugs wearing a uniform or police today who break their own laws, or any government department that works with the police that breaks the laws and lies under oath to only be caught out. I have said this before, any cop or a government official or anyone in an essential government department that brings charges against an individual through lying or trying to unlawfully lead a witness to get a conviction in a court of law is to be arrested by the federal police as I do not trust the state police anymore, charged and sent to jail for a long time.

We cannot have today people working in critical areas breaking the law for their own advantage, this is totally not on, these thugs above and the bullies I am dealing with will get their own and this is the reason why I am here.

Now, is this the most hated government department?
NO... they rate about 25 out of 100 of the most hated government department, these are just thug cops trying to get their rocks off and the way I look at it is, they don't even rate against the most hated government department, which are rated at 100% in my book, reason? because they are outrightly dangerous.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 01 Jul 2008 07:34:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
I just sat down and read todays Courier Mail newspaper for Wednesday the 2nd of July, 2008 and what I see on page 13 makes me sick.

I see a homeless gentleman called Bruce Rowe being unmercifully bashed by police, mind you this gentleman is 67 years old, yes I said 67. See in Queensland we have these new laws called Move on laws and asking this man to move on which he didn't because he had a reason, the police attacked him out in the street, bashed him, knee'd him repeatedly and when an onlooker recorded this incident on his mobile phone video camera, the policeman confiscated the phone and removed the evidence, but the only trouble for the cops was there was a secret camera that viewed the whole incident, which the police strenuously denied at first.

Now, this mess has gone straight to the top, straight to the premiers office to get the police minister Judy Spence sacked as this is not the first time cases like this have popped up where police have used excessive force and lied under oath, police have used unlawful tactics to have a person charged, police have used unlawful ways of editing evidence, police have used unlawful, yes I will repeat it again, unfucking lawful ways of leading a witness, just so that they can get a conviction in a court of law.

Now, the lot of you, be honest, 5 cops getting their rocks off bashing a 67 year old man which showed no resistance whatsoever, these police are nothing but thugs, maybe they got a knockback for a job as a bouncer and decided to join the police force instead. Now tell me this, what fucking jury on this planet would believe an accused in the defendants box in a court of law, after being charged with a few offences and witnessed by 5 cops, you would not have a chance in hell to prove your innocence with statements from 5 burly cops against you, but this guy will get his vindication, because the video evidence showed exactly the opposite of what the police statements were, the police were the aggressors and the police assaulted an innocent elderly man.

There is no doubt the crimes and misconduct commission (CMC)will be investigating this and I hope these officers are sacked, we have no room in the police force for thugs wearing a uniform or police today who break their own laws, or any government department that works with the police that breaks the laws and lies under oath to only be caught out. I have said this before, any cop or a government official or anyone in an essential government department that brings charges against an individual through lying or trying to unlawfully lead a witness to get a conviction in a court of law is to be arrested by the federal police as I do not trust the state police anymore, charged and sent to jail for a long time.

We cannot have today people working in critical areas breaking the law for their own advantage, this is totally not on, these thugs above and the bullies I am dealing with will get their own and this is the reason why I am here.

Now, is this the most hated government department?
NO... they rate about 25 out of 100 of the most hated government department, these are just thug cops trying to get their rocks off and the way I look at it is, they don't even rate against the most hated government department, which are rated at 100% in my book, reason? because they are outrightly dangerous.


rotten cops everywhere dude and i can vouch for it as my bro is a lawyer now in brisbane and thats all he talks about.
as for this so called government department from hell i know who it is and so does my brother who is forever fighting them in the family courts. He tells me they're a lot worst up here in qld then what they're in nsw and some had a hide years ago on this site to call me a bitch, i'm a apprentice compared to what my bro tells me to what he has to put up with. wave
Getting warm Cathy.

The main reason for this thread Cathy is when I am ready I will post a list of of do's and don't and updates if needed and possible lock this thread as all I want to do on this site is educate the public if you are ever unfortunate enough to get a knock on the door from this Government Department and its goons.
The public is very ignorant when it comes to the Law and their rights if this plague ever knocks on your door. See this mob of gangsters likes baffling the public with bullshit because they know that most do not understand the Law and your legal rights and they get away with it.
Even the Police today warn you about them, YES the Police warn you well at least some decent police do and I have struck one very high up the ladder (He is a Male) and some will tell you off the record and away from a tape recorder that they the most hated Government department are above the law and they get away with bending the law to suit them selves.
If your Brother is a Lawyer he must know what I am talking about because there is not one Lawyer in Queensland that has not had trouble with this mob of gangsters even the most prominent lawyers today talk about them and the excessive powers they were given back in 2003.
EXACT WORDS USED BY LAWYERS TODAY!!
The Pendulum has swung to far on their side.

I WILL NOT STOP UNTIL I EDUCATE EVERY PERSON IN THIS STATE OF QUEENSLAND ABOUT THESE MONSTERS. EVERY PERSON IN THIS STATE MUST KNOW THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS IF THESE ZEALOTS EVER KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR.
I have already succeeded in what I am trying to do is to grab everyones attention, like I said before I have said nothing so far and we have nearly 10,000 views more than any other thread on this complete site and I can just imagine how many view we will get once I spill the beans on this mob of ZEALOT GANGSTERS and I will make sure that if anyone uses the internet today "example" if you look for a boat or a box of chocolates or any Government Department you will be re-directed to this thread on this site and OTHERS!.
I WILL NEVER STOP DEAD OR ALIVE AS IF I DIE MY FUCKING FAMILY AND OTHER FRIEND I HAVE MADE WILL TAKE OVER SO GET THAT IN YOUR FAT HEADS YOU BUNCH OF ZEALOTS.

I WILL ONLY BE HAPPY WHEN I SEE OVER 12 MILLION VIEWS ON THIS SITE ALONE AND THATS ROUGHLY THE ADULT POPULATION OF AUSTRALIA.
Congratulation to the Most Hated Government Department thread.
Its the first to reach over 10,000 views on a single thread on the aus-city site of over 54 forums.
I will say it again you don't have to say nothing to get the most interest.
Keep looking girls and the rare guys that still work their.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 11 Jul 2008 01:25:PM
I hate gov

Have you decided to tell all on this site or are you only going to say what you want for the general public on this site but let it all hang out on other sites which are more secure?
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 11 Jul 2008 01:30:PM
Another 500 views in just a week.
If you use another site please put the link here to direct the public to the other site.
Originally Posted by jaremt
I hate gov

Have you decided to tell all on this site or are you only going to say what you want for the general public on this site but let it all hang out on other sites which are more secure?


No not all on this site
On this site I will expose the most Hated Government Department for what it is, I will explain the things to do and Don't do if you ever have these bunch of ZEALOTS knock on your door.

It just happens to be another comrade thats thinks something like me that I ran into in a lunch room (WHERE I WILL NOT TELL YOU, but most will guess)and has been screwed by these zealots and is leaving this country and will be moving back to his country of origin that has no extradition laws connected to Australia.
He told me he is starting a forum with a server that is untouchable and Although I don't condone this (He is super pissed of being a cross Russian & Serb) will be saying all plus photo's plus secret videos taken by his (REMOVED) with these zealots at work.

Please remember this government Department has pissed a lot of people off and some just can't control themselves which I don't blame them.
Originally Posted by jaremt
Another 500 views in just a week.
If you use another site please put the link here to direct the public to the other site.


Me use another site well its the internet you know anybody can use anybody s site.

Back to the other guy I am not sure if I will put that other guys link on this site when he gets it up and running but I know I will do what I have to and CLOSE THIS THREAD AND THIS WILL HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS.
I would take a guess if you Google the name of the most Hated Government Department YOU WILL FIND IT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
Remember all before you Google IT you first must know the name of IT but I bet a few know who I'm talking about.
Well its 11,000 views and still counting.
Well it won't be long and the most hated despised Government Department will be revealed and what comes after that will be another 12 months of waiting and posting and I will reveal the office that wins the prize of the most hated Government Department and what comes after that well you will have to wait and see.



And the winner is for the most hated Government Department will be revealed on Monday

As I said before I will reveal this despicable Department with a list of do's and don'ts if you ever have the misfortune to ever have to deal with them.
I have a massive amount of information to add but that will only be added when I get the go ahead and trust me for the ones that know what I am talking about these matters take time.
Time could be anything up to 12 months, so guys and gals that have been effected by this disease please be patient.

What I will also be doing is adding a poll with a list of offices and members will be able to vote which is the
most hated complained about office in Queensland.

Now this should be interesting!
Also if you want to stay anonymous and not post at all once you become a member you will be able to poll ONCE. All you have to do is just tick a box which is the most hated office of this most hated Government Department.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 02 Aug 2008 05:24:PM


It will be no surprise dude who this government department is.
I won't spoil it for you but u r right mate to start something like this as the public today have not got a clue how bad they're.
Guys just ring legal aid in qld and ask them whats the most complained department you can deal with, just speak to any lawyer and he or she will tell you what they're like.

I spoke to my bro last nite and being a good solicitor down the coast he should know and he tells me that Beenleigh and Mermaid Beach office take the cake down south. flamewar
See ya guys. bye

And the winner is!
Department of Child Safety

The scum of the Earth



I was cleaning my TV room the other day and I found a VCR tape that I put away by accident for months which I totally forgot about so I decided to play it and what did I find a Recording from our Honourable Prime Minister Kevin Rudd saying “SORRY” for the past Governments that illegally stole Aboriginal children, for whatever reason.

Well after I watched it I unfortunately have to agree with this, this was terribly sad to see children ripped from their parents grasp for whatever reason. The opposition leader Dr Brendan Nelson had his say but personally I think he botched it as you must remember he is just a leftover from the Howard days. Now the most important thing that the Honourable Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said was that this what happened with the stolen generation MUST NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!!!!!, where a government gives a government department excessive powers to commit such a horrendous crime. Some will say that some of the aboriginal children deserved having their children taken off them, that might be the case, but I will bet you a lot of them were law abiding tremendous family people, living a happy life only to have their children stolen from them. In those days all it took was a rumour to one of the police members, or whoever the child stealer's were, they would not care about evidence, they would just come along, go through their communities, horde the children onto trucks or horde the mothers and children onto trucks, only to throw the mothers off the trucks some distance away and they justified this by lying and whatever reason and feeding these stolen children in most cases to white people.

Now, the Honourable prime minister of Australia, Mr Kevin Rudd repeated again “SORRY”, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. We will never give a government department the power again to steal children from their parents. Well guess what, Prime Minister Mr Kevin Rudd? You must be blind, like the rest of the politicians in this country because all state governments have given one government department excessive powers, they are untouchable. This government department is called Department of Child Safety. They are doing exactly the same today that what our brothers and sisters did 80 years ago, stealing children for whatever reason and feeding them to our new breed of foster carers that cannot find work or do not want to find work so foster caring is the easy and best way out..

Now, we all know child abuse does happens and may the perpetrators rot in hell, but what I want to talk about is the cases where the Department of Child Safety have got it completely wrong. I will repeat it again, I will only speak about the cases where this Department of Child Safety which is made up of 92% women, where out of the 92% 60% of them are university graduates with no experience playing god with your and your families lives and the remaining 40% are made up of older social workers that have spent years in the Department of Child Safety and most of them somehow or other are divorced, they are men hating ZEALOTS! and they have the perfect environment to seek their revenge. Again, I will repeat it, what happens when this arrogant department gets it terribly wrong?, only because you stand up to them. See back in the old days, when you didn’t like your neighbour or one of your relations you would dob him or her in to the Taxation department, yes this would cause a bit of grief, but if they find no evidence against you, you have nothing to worry about, but even then it is a huge inconvenience to go through, but this is not enough. The next thing people used to do is they would dob you into Centrelink, saying this and that, that you were doing the wrong thing. Centrelink would investigate, find nothing but still you were inconvenienced to take time off, bring your paperwork into order and to front the so called music, only to be told “Go home sir, we have no problem with you” why would someone want to dob you in or cause trouble for you sir/madam. Of course you get the occasional trouble maker that will ring the local council, saying this and saying that, only to find nothing, but again it is more inconvenience on the person who has been accused and its nothing for the person to pick a phone up and put a false allegation in against the person to either the Taxation Department, Centrelink, local council, but for some this is not good enough, because guess what? They’re all stale today lets call the Department of Child Safety. By the way all the above do 5% of the damage to what a false allegation of child abuse to the Department of Child Safety will do.

All it takes is one phone call with absolutely no evidence Yes I will repeat it again NO EVIDENCE,NO EVIDENCE,NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER FULL STOP and your life will be turned upside down. There are so many families in Queensland who have had their children stolen off them on a false allegation. It is outrageous and the reason why is because you stood up to these bastards (Ring Legal Aid,They will tell you don’t rub them up the wrong way)and defended your family. Now, our late Prime Minister John Howard thanks to the workplaces minister introduced new laws from July 1st, 2007, once a carer of your last child say an example your wife and your youngest child who has just reached the age of 7 years old and you have been on unemployment benefits, even if your partner is sick and cannot work, the other partner must look for work. Now the reason why I bring this up is the Department of Child Safety have a problem of stealing kids from school which they do most of the times ,no not from your home that can cause problems, They steal your kids from school and take them back to one of their Gestapo centres where they can keep them for 8 hours only to have no foster carers to look after them after that, so they had no choice but to send them back to their parents or relatives if they can find them. Just to remind you again in case you have fallen asleep all I am talking about is what happens when they get it terribly wrong on a false allegation? Now, after July 1st this mainly affected women, a lot of women in their 40’s that are in this position that do not want to look for work, so what they become is a foster carers, so in other words, instead of looking for paid work, they become foster carers instead then get fed children stolen from the vultures from the Department of Child Safety whilst they take time to do a proper investigation which is never ending (your child will be 18 by the time they finish).
See the Department of Child Safety operate outside the law, they break the law continually and get away with it (Mind you a Police officer warned me about this). For the average family who has the misfortune to deal with this department, you are about to get a shock. I will get back at a later date with strong evidence against this department. They have to be bought to justice for the crimes they commit, but the problem is, they are protected by the act, they cannot be sued, when they F.U.C.K up as they just resign and disappear into the woodwork. And they are so hated that to protect them from bashings most case workers that live in the north most of the times work in the south and vice versa, this is done on purpose as you could expect, could you imagine going shopping and in the queue you run into the bitch that lied and was responsible for removing your children only for the truth to come out months later and getting your kids back.

What I would like to see in schools today is two new subjects introduced for later primary and later high school.

Subject one: Road safety.

Subject two: Your legal rights and the law, because this is how this filthy Department of Child Safety and its goons called JAB (Juvenile Aid Bureau) rely on you not understanding your legal rights. They really hope you don’t understand your rights and baffle you with bullshit and I can tell you this that a lot of cases the department of Child safety bully the Police (JAB) to have charges laid to a individual .

Your children must be taught a few matters, THIS IS A MUST!.

1. If this department ever comes to school to talk to your children for whatever reason, ( PS THIS IS THEIR FAVOURITE TRICK!!!) your children must not talk to them, your Children must refuse to talk to them, the child must ask the Deputy Head Master or the Headmaster who must be present that “I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY CLASS”. Repeat it again if they refuse and if they continually keep talking to your child and trying to intimidate your child which they always do and have a tape recorder stuck in their faces, tell your children “I will report you to the Youth Advocacy and Child Guardian unless you let me go back to class” THIS MUST BE DONE!!!!!!!!!.
2. For the parents: I will only talk about the Department of Child Safety side of things for the moment, (Plenty of time for JAB later) but I encourage all parents to buy a current law book available everywhere, the best money you could ever spend, but what I would like to tell parents is
3. If you are in dispute with the Department of Child Safety for whatever reason, DO NOT TRUST THEM WHATSOEVER. They have to be the most perverted liars, fabricators, intimidators on this planet.
4. Never go to their offices without an independent witness or a lawyer.
5. Never speak to them over the phone, this is an absolute NO NO NO NO NEVER DO THIS !!!! and if you have to speak to them over the phone because you are forced into it ( LIKE THEY HAVE STOLEN YOUR KIDS FROM SCHOOL), I totally recommend to hang up and ring them back but ring them from another site that has a silent number and you can speak to them over an open phone ( SPEAKER PHONE) for the reason is that you can liaise with the Department of Child Safety whilst you have a credible witness listening to the conversation. When I mean Credible witness, I do not mean the police they have lost their creditability , ( IF POSSIBLE) I mean a justice of the peace, a lawyer, a retired judge, a clergyman, a urgent visit to your family Doctor preferably more than one witness in the room. By doing this, they will use their usual tricks of intimidation and lies only to be caught out if it goes further. It’s a pity we can’t use tape recorders without permission these days ( YOU CAN ONLY RECORD YOUR VOICE ONLY), by the way the police do, they record your conversations without telling you. Don’t you JAB.
As you probably do or don’t know most of the times you cannot use legal aid on
family matters, the Department of Child Safety know this and this is how they screw you, knowing you can’t afford a lawyer .
Another thing, always ask them to liaise with you IN WRITING ONLY. They don’t like this.
6. If the department finds out you are bashing them on internet sites, they will warn you ( NOT ON PAPER THEY”RE NOT STUPID) that they will try their hardest that you will never see your kids again ( AGAIN IF THEY RING YOU SAY I AM BUSY HANG ON I WILL RING YOU BACK IN 10 MINUTES AND GET WITNESSES!!!!! TO LISTEN TO YOUR PHONE CALL). These are the things you need to be recorded via independent witnesses, since you are not legally allowed to record them with a recording device.
7. They will always threaten you that they will get a court order to take the kids away, again if you are guilty, go to hell, but if you are genuinely innocent, tell these rotten bastards “I will see you in court”, ( PS Most magistrates are sick of DOCS) but please get your facts correct and if they intimidate you over the phone, like the above and you turn up at court with a witness saying this, saying that, what I heard over an open phone, the magistrate will be on your side. Trust me, this department fights dirty, you have to be a little bit smarter.
8. If you ever have to speak to this department face to face, please make sure you have an independent witness next to you just listening to what they say, trust me, they behave differently this way. If they do happen to say something relevant but not likely in front of witnesses because they are not that stupid, ensure that your witness records on paper preferably in hand writing what was said and has it witnessed by a Justice of the Peace. Do not take a dummy that has not got the guts to stand up to them with you, If they ask the witness to remove themselves out of the room the both of you walk out of the DOCS office
9. Just by reading the above you can see they must have a problem and its just that they are absolute liars. Please use Googles search engine only and type in Dept of Child Safety or The Department of Child Safety and read the horrific stories in there what they have done to peoples lives, especially when they get it wrong.
10. NEVER under any circumstances sign anything!! NEVER, I repeat it again NEVER!!!!! If they shove a bit of paper in your face, tell them you want a lawyer to read it and he or she will tell you DON’T SIGN ANYTHING. This is one of the most common tricks they use. What I am trying to tell you is if you have the money to afford a good lawyer, you are treated differently, if you have to rely totally on legal aid for any reason, may God have mercy on your soul because you will be crucified .
11. Please use the Freedom of information act and access you files, Also get your solicitor to access with a court order the same files, YOU WILL BE SURPRISED THE BITS THEY HAVE EDITED, CUT OUT, REMOVED FROM YOUR COPY but the court order copy sent to the Solicitor will be different.
12. You have a right to educate your Children If old enough to run away if stolen from your house or school and If your child is not old enough the eldest child can find the youngest and remove them from these child stealers. This has been done plenty of times. You go to work and get taught accident or fire drills, do the same in case if DOCS ever steals your kids DON”T TELL ME THIS WON’T HAPPEN TO YOU BECAUSE IT CAN,TREAT IT AS A ROAD ACCIDENT AS IT CAN HAPPEN ANYTIME.

The Department of Child Safety has articles against them throughout the internet today, yes they do good sometimes when they get it right, but I will say it again, what happens when they totally get it outrageous, ridiculously wrong and they don’t want to back down only because you stood up to them as most decent law abiding people would do? They never say sorry like our prime minister did, they just go on and steal someone else’s kids. There have been numerous forums, threads including news threads on news sites all against the Department of Child Safety and the way they conduct themselves, but the biggest gripe I see is the way they lie or lie to cover a situation or mistakes ( Shreading EVIDENCE OF A MISTAKE BOUGH UP BY ANOTHER CASE WORKER). They would have to be the most perverted, disgusting benders of the truth, liars, zealots that its possible to deal with All these people who write these different articles on the internet cannot be liars or be wrong and I must warn people, that these thugs TRY TO PUT PRESSURE VIA THE POLICE OR WHOEVER ON SITE OWNERS TO REMOVE NEGATIVE ARTICLES AGAINS THIS DEPARTMENT. This has happened now 4 times, sites have mysteriously disappeared or have only been put into a read only mode or have gone totally underground where only victims of this department can join and liaise with other members who have been butchered and ABUSED by DOCS. Only main news sites still have stories against DOCS as I can’t see these major players getting bullied by these bitches and their Lawyers. Just in case you have fallen asleep I will say it again,

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GET IT WRONG.

Now That I have revealed the most hated Government Department in the next few months and up to one year (I have a reason for this) I will reveal a FOI Document showing the most hated Department Child safety office in Queensland.
Yes this office that has had the most complaints put against them. And after that what do I have HaHaHa a big surprise.
Please all get where ever you can a current book on QLD laws via Legal Aid or the publishers.


AGAIN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GET IT WRONG?


The Above information is only information and not legal advice, Please get Legal advice from a practicing Lawyer.



To me this about sums up the Department of Child Safety, Have a read because this is how they operate.

http://altnews.com.au/drop/node/7592

I have a massive amount of information to add including video but this will only be revealed at a later date and I have a reason for this.

Ohhhh youtube I love it!! No I wont say more, NOT YET.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 03 Aug 2008 08:22:PM

Well i was right girls its docs at it again and my bro tell me you're about 95% spot on to what you said above, actually you're very kind to them because after what my bro told me about them i would have used harsher words. bye

Yes Cathy you were dead right but lets face it you had a head start having a Brother as a Lawyer.
Is it possible for any Lawyer in QLD to not have had bad dealing with DOCS.? No (For ones that don't know DOCS is Department of Child Safety)
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 05 Aug 2008 12:48:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

Yes Cathy you were dead right but lets face it you had a head start having a Brother as a Lawyer.
Is it possible for any Lawyer in QLD to not have had bad dealing with DOCS.? No (For ones that don't know DOCS is Department of Child Safety)


On the ball dude
Actually my bro like docs as ever since he moved up this way he has been busy making money because of them sorting their rubbish out and the worst thing about it most of the times is they getaway with it. bye
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 06 Aug 2008 01:59:PM


Makes very interesting readings.
I have a friend thats a cop and he tells a very similar story that they're a law to their own.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 06 Aug 2008 02:06:PM
This problem with them is Australia wide not just QLD, My friend tells me the police are sick of the way that some of them behave.
Locally in Sydney there was a case that brewed for a while where a Lawyer was accused of Child Abuse. He lost his Practice, He Lost his Children but at a later day it was proven in court that Dchs in NSW lied and framed the guy, yes this also made interesting readings in he paper and he is now suing the state Government for millions and so he should.
Yes jaremt you are correct, but some how the Department of Child Safety in QLD is getting all the attention at the moment.

I have a Mile of info to add but I will now not be adding it until after May 2009.
Again I have strong reason for this.

Posted By: Helen Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 13 Aug 2008 02:12:PM


I would like to comment about Child Safety and the problems we had with them.
My sister works or better still use to work for Child Safety in QLD and approximately four years ago we had a fall out because of our children and she put the department of child safety onto us.
What happened to us was unbelievable as one afternoon we get a knock on the door I open the door and there were two young ladies to greet me but for me not knowing one was a Police officer from the child police called JAB and the other was a officer from the department of child safety or as some call them child safety.

I invited them in as we did not know what it was all about but within minutes they took one by one our children to one of the bedrooms and interviewed them and as a single mother of four with my husband that was deceased one year earlier I was about to get a shock of my life what was going on.

See my sister via another person that she knew put a complaint in that I was abusing my children which I wasn't the Police and the child safety officer interviewed me, shocked me with the lies that came out of her mouth and within minutes I had my four children removed from my house all because of a false allegation started by the venomous mouth of my sister all because we had a fall out because of our children fighting.
I won't get into detail but I lost my Children for two years, It cost my father over $11,000 in legal fees to prove in a court of law that there never was child abuse of any kind.
Did I ever get a apology? NO, Did my sister ever be bought to justice for what she did? NO! reason, she was protected by the child safety act 1999.
The author of this thread is so correct, the public today have not got a clue how powerful child safety is today, and I believe that they are above the law as do you ever hear of any of them being bought to justice because example my sister lied to have children removed. Do you the public know whats it like? it bad enough I lost my husband a year earlier but to lose my children all because of a bitch of a sister that failed twice to join the police service so she decide to join child safety to ruin people lives.
The department of child safety today have too much power and I have to agree to what you say and what I was told by my lawyer that you will meet some of the most arrogant people on the earth and you are correct, they're all women.
By the way they need no evidence whatsoever to do this. mad
Posted By: TVSAT Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 13 Aug 2008 03:10:PM
just i wanted to ask 1 more thing helen why did your Sister do that sorry to say but thats pure EVIL frown that was an upseting story
Originally Posted by TVSAT
just i wanted to ask 1 more thing helen why did your Sister do that sorry to say but thats pure EVIL frown that was an upseting story



Mate you need to understand that this the Department of Child Safety is a department to try to keep away from.If you really hate someone forget ringing the cops, forget ringing the council about a barking dog, forget ringing Centrelink or the Taxation Department just ring DOCS.
You make up a good story about child abuse against the person you hate because his dog pissed on you wheels and if you happen to be a man these bunch of men hating ZEALOTS will charge to you place of dwelling and find any excuse to remove you or you Children from your house
Please all do a Google and type in Dept Of Child Safety and get a shock of the amount of complaints that have been put in against them. They have ongoing royal commissions going against them, just ring any lawyer in QLD and ask him or her what you think of them and if he or she has time you will get a ear bashing from the lawyer and the next question from the lawyer will be what have they done to you.
PLEASE if you know A lawyer just ask his or her opinion about DOCS.
Originally Posted by Helen


I would like to comment about Child Safety and the problems we had with them.
My sister works or better still use to work for Child Safety in QLD and approximately four years ago we had a fall out because of our children and she put the department of child safety onto us.
What happened to us was unbelievable as one afternoon we get a knock on the door I open the door and there were two young ladies to greet me but for me not knowing one was a Police officer from the child police called JAB and the other was a officer from the department of child safety or as some call them child safety.

I invited them in as we did not know what it was all about but within minutes they took one by one our children to one of the bedrooms and interviewed them and as a single mother of four with my husband that was deceased one year earlier I was about to get a shock of my life what was going on.

See my sister via another person that she knew put a complaint in that I was abusing my children which I wasn't the Police and the child safety officer interviewed me, shocked me with the lies that came out of her mouth and within minutes I had my four children removed from my house all because of a false allegation started by the venomous mouth of my sister all because we had a fall out because of our children fighting.
I won't get into detail but I lost my Children for two years, It cost my father over $11,000 in legal fees to prove in a court of law that there never was child abuse of any kind.
Did I ever get a apology? NO, Did my sister ever be bought to justice for what she did? NO! reason, she was protected by the child safety act 1999.
The author of this thread is so correct, the public today have not got a clue how powerful child safety is today, and I believe that they are above the law as do you ever hear of any of them being bought to justice because example my sister lied to have children removed. Do you the public know whats it like? it bad enough I lost my husband a year earlier but to lose my children all because of a bitch of a sister that failed twice to join the police service so she decide to join child safety to ruin people lives.
The department of child safety today have too much power and I have to agree to what you say and what I was told by my lawyer that you will meet some of the most arrogant people on the earth and you are correct, they're all women.
By the way they need no evidence whatsoever to do this. mad


Helen
Good to hear from you and as one that has been abused by the Department Of Child Safety I can say that my Children are still at home only because I involved other professional people and NO they weren't lawyers and they assisted us to tackle these monsters.
Actually most of the people that I have spoken to over the internet that have been ripped apart by docs have been Women and some of the stories are very sad even one simple case were a young baby broke her hand while falling out of a bassinet and the quacks at the Hospital suspected the mother or father broke the arm and without any evidence the STORM TROOPERS Charge through their house removing all the children.
I don't know the full story but one day maybe I will find out but the main problem with DOCS is today is once they're at your door you virtually have to lick their arse in everything and if you STAND up to them which most parents would do this will be the end of you not unless you're ready for an expensive dirty fight with them.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 14 Aug 2008 11:39:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by Helen



Helen
Good to hear from you and as one that has been abused by the Department Of Child Safety I can say that my Children are still at home only because I involved other professional people and NO they weren't lawyers and they assisted us to tackle these monsters.
Actually most of the people that I have spoken to over the internet that have been ripped apart by docs have been Women and some of the stories are very sad even one simple case were a young baby broke her hand while falling out of a bassinet and the quacks at the Hospital suspected the mother or father broke the arm and without any evidence the STORM TROOPERS Charge through their house removing all the children.
I don't know the full story but one day maybe I will find out but the main problem with DOCS is today is once they're at your door you virtually have to lick their arse in everything and if you STAND up to them which most parents would do this will be the end of you not unless you're ready for an expensive dirty fight with them.


Spot on dude spot on, Are you practicing law? if not you have been doing some researching.
Actually my bro's is starting to like you for standing up to these pigs.
Good on you mate! I see that the hits & reads are up,up, and away ever since you exposed who this scourge is.
By the way,I've never had anything to do with them I just sit at the Dinner table on Sundays with my bro and his wife who also works with him and this about docs seems to always come up DOCS,DOCS,DOCS,Family Courts, Family Courts its all he ever talks about.
Posted By: TVSAT Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 14 Aug 2008 11:46:AM
Seriously i don't get why those dumbbums do that ? they Should BURN IN HELL mad
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 14 Aug 2008 01:18:PM
Originally Posted by TVSAT
Seriously i don't get why those dumbbums do that ? they Should BURN IN HELL mad


As my bro has explained to me we have a Family services department called DOCS and this department has been give excessive powers after a royal commission about child abuse in foster care back If I remember correctly he said around 2003.
My bro has told me that the pendulum has swung to far the other way were this DOCS is out of control and like I hate gov says they're untouchable as its just about impossible to sue them when they make a mistake.
The problem with them is not the mistakes its when they deliberately go out of their way to cause problems and one of their favorite tricks is lying.
Now please remember this is coming from my brother who is a Solicitor in the Gold Coast area.

Cathy
If they only stuck to the truth all of us unfortunates that have dealt with them wouldn't have a problem but their problem is they always want to add thick icing to their story.
In simple words they LIE!!
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 15 Aug 2008 02:01:PM
Actually I did a Google on them last night and it came up will just under 1 million links about this Department of Child Safety and you guessed it right up the top there are sites galore with stories about them.
I spent just over an hour reading some of the stories mind you I was only up to page 12 on google and i had enough.
How do these fucking bitches get away with this?.

On some of the sites do a archives check for them.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 15 Aug 2008 02:14:PM
Actually this one made me laugh the most, found on a news site.

Federal Police, You need the Department of Child Safety for help.

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 14:04.

* Family issues

We all have been reading the papers and watching the news and following the story behind the arrest of Doctor Mohamed Haneef at Brisbane airport as he tried to board a plane with a one way ticket to India. Now our Federal Police have tried their little hearts out to find evidence so they can charge him and it has taken twelve days before finally finding a charge that would stick so he could be held indefinitely. I must say that there must be a level of honestly in the Federal police as they were getting desperate to find evidence to charge him and they did not try to frame him or in other words SET HIM UP!!!
Now if the Federal Police are reading this may I suggest you ring up the Department of Child Safety with there buddies from JAB (Juvenile Aid Bureau) next time especially if you hold another suspected terrorist, but this time you do not find any evidence whatsoever even if you hold the person for months, DOCS and JAB will help you to charge him as they have this statement called the 93A statement where a child can put an complaint against you and even when the JAB police investigate you they might even find things in your favour to prove you are innocent but at the end of the day they will charge you and to make it even worse they will even charge you when they have not even interviewed you at any time or you are not present. Mind you I have been told by others that the Department of Child Safety does put pressure on the JAB Police to charge a person even if NO EVIDENCE, yes I will repeat it again in case if you have missed it or you sneezed whilst reading this NO EVEDINCE WHATSOEVER, but they will still charge you just because a kid can speak into a tape recorder or sit in front of a video camera (93A) and say to the police that the person did this and did that to me and to make it even worse after your solicitor has listened or viewed the so called evidence (93 A Statement) your solicitor notices the story from the complaintant has a tendency to change from date to date. So Federal Police, if you want to charge another person next time and you hold that person for weeks and this time you find absolutely no evidence just ring DOCS next time for help and they will help you to find evidence to charge the person and when you tell them (DOCS) that you have none they will have no trouble planting some or lying to say differently.
You wonder why there is going to be a Royal Commission against DOCS.
Mind you with all crime committed today the police look for evidence to charge a person “eg” finger prints, DNA, Video surveillance, Statements given from independent witnesses, Phone records, bank account records, accurate time records and many others to link a person to the crime committed and with that evidence they charge the person but when it come to children putting a complaint in because you told them to piss off from your house and keep away from your kids the police only use this 93A statement to have you charged without any evidence even after the child did not want to be medically examined but was medically examined by force and NOTHING was found.
So go for it Federal Police just get a 93A statement and you will have him next time a lot quicker.

The Laws need to be Changed, DOCS CSO’s need to be accountable for their lies, and not protected by the Child Safety ACT so you cannot sue them, thank God for the CMC the fun is about to start.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 15 Aug 2008 02:38:PM


And this is just another of the many sites that tell the same story.

http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/localnews-qld/11136/
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 16 Aug 2008 02:24:PM

I have been doing some research myself and it seems that most of the complaints are Queensland based.

I think it would be a good idea to have a poll to see what office's get the most complaints against them but my opinion is most today would be too scared to join any forum regarding these type of matters..
Do you know how many new members have joined and not posted yet? Can they poll but not post?.
Originally Posted by ew_289

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I think it would be a good idea to have a poll to see what office's get the most complaints against them but my opinion is most today would be too scared to join any forum regarding these type of matters..
Do you know how many new members have joined and not posted yet? Can they poll but not post?.


As for a poll I will be doing that at a later date, I will poll over a dozen offices maybe more if needed and you will be able to vote on who do you think is the worst office in QLD.

As for polling itself yes you can poll and never post so out of all DOCS abused people that have joined and never posted all can poll but don't have to post. All that is required is one simple tick in a box.


As for being to scared to post yes that can be the case as we have over 50 that have joined, 9 have PM'd me and I think only two have posted so far. Others that have posted don't have issues personally with DOCS. l_sabre

Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
[quote=ew_289]
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Others that have posted don't have issues personally with DOCS. l_sabre



YET!
Posted By: Michelle Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 20 Aug 2008 03:41:PM
Hi all

My first letter to a public forum and you can guess what the topic is about its that Government department called child safety in Queensland that has a habit of removing Children from school all because of false allegations.

See i don't know who put the complaint in but one day I will find out but I for one cannot believe how this child safety has a hide to come to your children's school drag them to the head masters office and interrogates them like criminals.
Mind you my three children are under 12 and they were traumatised in front of a coward head master that allowed a tape recorder shoved into their faces and the head master was too gutless to protect them or even say a word.
All this is new for me as this only happened a few days ago and I am asking are they allowed to do this? I rang legal aid and the lady said they can do what they want and she said please get a good Lawyer and she hung up so what answer is that?.

Michelle

Welcome to this forum but if you have come here means you have a problem.
The Department of Child safety has been given excessive powers and some of the NAZI ZEALOT, HAIL! HITLER BITCHES FROM HELL enjoy every bit of it especially if its against men and they enjoy nothing better than removing a father from his home EVEN if there is no evidence of child abuse.
How they do this is by intimidation "EG" They say to your wife if your Husband doesn't leave we will remove your children (STEAL THEM FROM SCHOOL THE NEXT DAY).
I have a lot to write about the JAB Police but that will be at a later date mid next year.
As for them coming to school and interrogating your children I am sorry to say this Feminist pig of a Department has been given the Legal rights to come to your kids school, interrogate your kids and even STEAL THEM without you knowing.
Now The police today have a Code where anyone can be charged with child stealing and it known as CODE 363 (Child–stealing) which the Department of Child safety is exempt off.
See The Department of Child Safety is Exempt from a lot of our laws and can bully their way into your lives if any complaint is put in even if its very minor and if you rub them up the wrong way or if you are a man thats all they need to start a vendetta against you. OOhhh and don't they like lying to get their own way.
As for the useless headmaster I know of one case where a male Head Master was threatened by a JAB COP present with the DOCS bitch because he had to be present during a child interview or better still interrogation and he objected to the way the child was being interviewed.
DOCS and JAB put an official complaint against him to Queensland Education.
Sorry if I sound a little Sexist but this is the way it is DOCS is made up of mostly Women like around 90% and so is JAB (just a little under) and for any unfortunate person that has had to deal with these gangsters you also will come up with this assumption.
Do you know DOCS is trying to get new powers where they can kick your front door in if you refuse them entry without the police (JAB) being present. What they want to do is employ I would expect men of a physical build to be their heavies so they can charge through the front door of your house. The police via the government has totally refused to allow this to happen, just as well there is some decency around. If someone kicks your front door in I don't give a fuck who you are, I will do anything and so would the average family man and woman to protect themselves and their families. I don't give a flying fuck what badge they flash because people doing home invasions have been using this ploy where they kick the front door in and say they are customs or whatever but they are nothing but home invaders. Could you imagine DOCS getting the power to kick your front door in? I could just imagine the bullies kick the door in and the lesbian bitches stay well back until the dust is settled. Many I know today for whatever reasons after seeing all the home invasions today that are going on, are well protected for this type of activity.


One thing I have noticed is in the last 12 months I have been contacted via PM's by over 12 new members that have not posted yet and they are all women.

Com'on guys pull your finger out! Don't let the poor girls do all your dirty work.
And on another note I find it repulsive if a man deserts his wife and kids when things are a little tough.
You all stick together in times of need not just piss off and let the wife face these monsters.
I would prefer to DIE 100 time than to give up and bring DOCS to justice one day.
Posted By: Michelle Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 21 Aug 2008 01:45:PM
I was very upset yesterday when I wrote the above but after spending some time reading all what you have here i decided to ring a lawyer and i have made a appointment to she him.
Over the phone he said to me some of the exact things that you have printed here of what to do and not to do when dealing with DoChs.
Here goes our money that I put away for a family holiday, spending it on a Lawyer because of one that lied and a aggressive DoChs worker.
Michelle

Please do not trust any of your phones, The Police today have ways to tape a conversation without asking your permission or getting a court order.
Please ask your lawyer immediately about this matter of recording of your phone calls and he will confirm what I am saying is true.
DON'T trust anybody. Your best friend could be your enemy
Posted By: jenmaz Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 23 Aug 2008 07:26:PM
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I have just been reading through this post regarding peoples' comments on DoCS Qld. (And in some cases - other States).

Though I understand the anger and resentment that these individuals feel at having their children stolen by the Dept, I am concerned at the way they deal with the situation.

I firmly believe that the Dept wants families to become angry and bitter and vengeful etc because then they can USE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR shown by parents AS AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HARASS AND PERSECUTE THEM.

As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.

We as parents need to fight for a change of attitude from the Department. Often this means changing our attitudes first. (Even if we hate the idea!) I am not talking about giving in!!!!!!
No, I'm talking about exerting our rights as parents and demanding that the Department, the Foster Care Agencies, the Foster Parents and ourselves WORK IN PARTNERSHIP.

PARTNERSHIP - yes the word sounds frightening, particularly when applied to DoCS, but this I firmly believe is the way of the future if we WANT TO SEE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE WAY CHILD
PROTECTION WORKS IN AUSTRALIA.

Partnership brings about positive results and its good for the kids. They are after all, the most important people in the whole DoCS vs parents issue.

Please don't think I am pro DoCS, or crazy. I too have had negative dealings with DoCS (NSW). My son is still in care due to the terrible things that DoCS did at Court and to us. But I am now in a position where I am working very hard to build better relationships with all that are involved in my son's case - Foster Agency, Foster Carers, and yes DoCS as well. MY SITUATION (AND THAT OF MY SON) IS ACTUALLY IMPROVING BECAUSE OF THIS.
Now I am being invited by Child Protection Agencies, including DoCS equivalents in other States, to come and talk to their workers about important issues such as - Working with parents; how it feels to be a parent in the Child Protection system and how to best work in Partnership together.

This is a first for parents like us - to actually be listened to and not written of as "dead beat" parents as one politician so charmingly described us!!
I also had the opportunity to speak at a National Child Welfare Conference about the Parent Perspective in Child Protection, by telling my own story and stressing the importance of working with parents in Partnership and not against them. And yes, there were DoCS workers, Foster Care Agencies and Legal Representatives at this meeting. TALK ABOUT POWER 4 PARENTS!!! Now it is actually happening.

Sorry for the long posting, but please consider what I have said.

If you do have problems with anger and dealing with DoCS, and it is affecting your life - please seek counselling. Often our anger at DoCS is more about grief and loss than actually all out anger. Losing a child to DoCS is a horrible experience and of course we are all going to have strong emotions about this. If we lost our child due to death - there would be lots of support and compassion, but when it is through DoCS we get no support, only the labels of - child abuser, you deserve it, "dead beat" parent and so on. What a horrible thing to do to someone, particularly if their child's removal was due to circumstances that were not child abuse or deliberate neglect.

If you would like to discuss your situation, want some information on Court Processes or tips on how to work with DoCS please consider calling the Family Inclusion Network (FIN - NSW) on 0450 521 610.
This organisation has been specifically set up (by parents and supportive professionals) to assist parents with kids in out-of-home care or at risk of losing kids into care because of DoCS. It is not run by DoCS! There are also branches in Qld, WA, ACT and SA. Victoria is hoping to start one soon. There is also a National FIN organisation called FIN Australia which all State Branches belong to.
Please email me if you want more info.
Regards
Jenmaz
Parent Representative on the Board for FIN-NSW,
State Representative for FIN Australia, and most important of all a parent with a child in out-of-home care.
welcome jenmaz

Good to hear your opinion about DoCS and any matter regarding our children and also thanks for your long informative posting. I will keep mine very brief because mine is still in the stewing pot but when you have a department of child safety officer that clearly lied we have the transcripts and the tape recordings to prove it and when you have a JAB police officer who unlawfully said something something something (unable to disclose at this time), yes she admitted it whilst sitting in the chair in a court of law.

I will never work with the department of child safety... I will spend the rest of my life doing whatever is necessary to bring these monsters to justice and there will be a way, even if they are protected by the act. I will do it my way via more lawyers and private investigators. No one has a right whilst in power working for a government department say like DOCS to blatantly lie. How stupid of her, didn't she think we could get a copy of this recording? See the department of child safety tried to steal our children and tried to threaten us with a court order but when we told them to go and get it, they backed off.

This is an utter disgrace. Its bad enough having a DOCS officer lying, massively lying, massively outrageously lying, but to have a police officer also bending the rules to be caught out. Again, I will get my legal revenge one way or the other, you can't expect to let this scum get away with it. Like I said I would prefer to die a hundred times but I won't back off.

Its sad jenmaz to have your children taken off you but if you did wrong you deserve it, but could you imagine having your children taken off you on a false allegation? And when DOCS come to your door, you rub them up the wrong way as you have a right to do to protect your family and these bastards start their lying shit only to inflame the situation. I do not trust anyone and I will not be receiving any help from anyone else outside my solicitor, my barrister, a new legal team and my private investigator. This is the way you become in this sort of shit, you get to a point where you can't trust anyone anymore.
I like three letters of the alphabet
CMC
Posted By: musicman Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 24 Aug 2008 08:30:PM


I got to give you the thumbs up mate for sticking this info on a public forum mate so everybody can read it as my wife tells me her friend at work is a member of another site which is not public and its underground which I think is useless.
How is that ever going to help others if you cannot see it?
Posted By: musicman Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 24 Aug 2008 08:49:PM
Originally Posted by jenmaz
wave
I have just been reading through this post regarding peoples' comments on DoCS Qld. (And in some cases - other States).

Though I understand the anger and resentment that these individuals feel at having their children stolen by the Dept, I am concerned at the way they deal with the situation.

I firmly believe that the Dept wants families to become angry and bitter and vengeful etc because then they can USE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR shown by parents AS AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HARASS AND PERSECUTE THEM.

As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.

We as parents need to fight for a change of attitude from the Department. Often this means changing our attitudes first. (Even if we hate the idea!) I am not talking about giving in!!!!!!
No, I'm talking about exerting our rights as parents and demanding that the Department, the Foster Care Agencies, the Foster Parents and ourselves WORK IN PARTNERSHIP.

PARTNERSHIP - yes the word sounds frightening, particularly when applied to DoCS, but this I firmly believe is the way of the future if we WANT TO SEE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE WAY CHILD
PROTECTION WORKS IN AUSTRALIA.

Partnership brings about positive results and its good for the kids. They are after all, the most important people in the whole DoCS vs parents issue.

Please don't think I am pro DoCS, or crazy. I too have had negative dealings with DoCS (NSW). My son is still in care due to the terrible things that DoCS did at Court and to us. But I am now in a position where I am working very hard to build better relationships with all that are involved in my son's case - Foster Agency, Foster Carers, and yes DoCS as well. MY SITUATION (AND THAT OF MY SON) IS ACTUALLY IMPROVING BECAUSE OF THIS.
Now I am being invited by Child Protection Agencies, including DoCS equivalents in other States, to come and talk to their workers about important issues such as - Working with parents; how it feels to be a parent in the Child Protection system and how to best work in Partnership together.

This is a first for parents like us - to actually be listened to and not written of as "dead beat" parents as one politician so charmingly described us!!
I also had the opportunity to speak at a National Child Welfare Conference about the Parent Perspective in Child Protection, by telling my own story and stressing the importance of working with parents in Partnership and not against them. And yes, there were DoCS workers, Foster Care Agencies and Legal Representatives at this meeting. TALK ABOUT POWER 4 PARENTS!!! Now it is actually happening.

Sorry for the long posting, but please consider what I have said.

If you do have problems with anger and dealing with DoCS, and it is affecting your life - please seek counselling. Often our anger at DoCS is more about grief and loss than actually all out anger. Losing a child to DoCS is a horrible experience and of course we are all going to have strong emotions about this. If we lost our child due to death - there would be lots of support and compassion, but when it is through DoCS we get no support, only the labels of - child abuser, you deserve it, "dead beat" parent and so on. What a horrible thing to do to someone, particularly if their child's removal was due to circumstances that were not child abuse or deliberate neglect.

If you would like to discuss your situation, want some information on Court Processes or tips on how to work with DoCS please consider calling the Family Inclusion Network (FIN - NSW) on 0450 521 610.
This organisation has been specifically set up (by parents and supportive professionals) to assist parents with kids in out-of-home care or at risk of losing kids into care because of DoCS. It is not run by DoCS! There are also branches in Qld, WA, ACT and SA. Victoria is hoping to start one soon. There is also a National FIN organisation called FIN Australia which all State Branches belong to.
Please email me if you want more info.
Regards
Jenmaz
Parent Representative on the Board for FIN-NSW,
State Representative for FIN Australia, and most important of all a parent with a child in out-of-home care.


You sound like a decent person to be caught up with this Docs stuff but the way I look at it even the most decent person in Australia would become an animal if they were accused of false child abuse and have their children taken off them.
Well thats the way I look at it, I could not ever want to be in a position and I would not know how I would ever re-act if this happened to me because of a nut case putting a false accusation in, then you have one of these family services blowing it out of proportion only making it worst.
Originally Posted by musicman
Originally Posted by jenmaz
wave
I have just been reading through this post regarding peoples' comments on DoCS Qld. (And in some cases - other States).

Though I understand the anger and resentment that these individuals feel at having their children stolen by the Dept, I am concerned at the way they deal with the situation.

I firmly believe that the Dept wants families to become angry and bitter and vengeful etc because then they can USE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOUR shown by parents AS AN EXCUSE TO FURTHER HARASS AND PERSECUTE THEM.

As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.

We as parents need to fight for a change of attitude from the Department. Often this means changing our attitudes first. (Even if we hate the idea!) I am not talking about giving in!!!!!!
No, I'm talking about exerting our rights as parents and demanding that the Department, the Foster Care Agencies, the Foster Parents and ourselves WORK IN PARTNERSHIP.

PARTNERSHIP - yes the word sounds frightening, particularly when applied to DoCS, but this I firmly believe is the way of the future if we WANT TO SEE POSITIVE CHANGES IN THE WAY CHILD
PROTECTION WORKS IN AUSTRALIA.

Partnership brings about positive results and its good for the kids. They are after all, the most important people in the whole DoCS vs parents issue.

Please don't think I am pro DoCS, or crazy. I too have had negative dealings with DoCS (NSW). My son is still in care due to the terrible things that DoCS did at Court and to us. But I am now in a position where I am working very hard to build better relationships with all that are involved in my son's case - Foster Agency, Foster Carers, and yes DoCS as well. MY SITUATION (AND THAT OF MY SON) IS ACTUALLY IMPROVING BECAUSE OF THIS.
Now I am being invited by Child Protection Agencies, including DoCS equivalents in other States, to come and talk to their workers about important issues such as - Working with parents; how it feels to be a parent in the Child Protection system and how to best work in Partnership together.

This is a first for parents like us - to actually be listened to and not written of as "dead beat" parents as one politician so charmingly described us!!
I also had the opportunity to speak at a National Child Welfare Conference about the Parent Perspective in Child Protection, by telling my own story and stressing the importance of working with parents in Partnership and not against them. And yes, there were DoCS workers, Foster Care Agencies and Legal Representatives at this meeting. TALK ABOUT POWER 4 PARENTS!!! Now it is actually happening.

Sorry for the long posting, but please consider what I have said.

If you do have problems with anger and dealing with DoCS, and it is affecting your life - please seek counselling. Often our anger at DoCS is more about grief and loss than actually all out anger. Losing a child to DoCS is a horrible experience and of course we are all going to have strong emotions about this. If we lost our child due to death - there would be lots of support and compassion, but when it is through DoCS we get no support, only the labels of - child abuser, you deserve it, "dead beat" parent and so on. What a horrible thing to do to someone, particularly if their child's removal was due to circumstances that were not child abuse or deliberate neglect.

If you would like to discuss your situation, want some information on Court Processes or tips on how to work with DoCS please consider calling the Family Inclusion Network (FIN - NSW) on 0450 521 610.
This organisation has been specifically set up (by parents and supportive professionals) to assist parents with kids in out-of-home care or at risk of losing kids into care because of DoCS. It is not run by DoCS! There are also branches in Qld, WA, ACT and SA. Victoria is hoping to start one soon. There is also a National FIN organisation called FIN Australia which all State Branches belong to.
Please email me if you want more info.
Regards
Jenmaz
Parent Representative on the Board for FIN-NSW,
State Representative for FIN Australia, and most important of all a parent with a child in out-of-home care.


You sound like a decent person to be caught up with this Docs stuff but the way I look at it even the most decent person in Australia would become an animal if they were accused of false child abuse and have their children taken off them.
Well thats the way I look at it, I could not ever want to be in a position and I would not know how I would ever re-act if this happened to me because of a nut case putting a false accusation in, then you have one of these family services blowing it out of proportion only making it worst.


Yes musicman she probably is a decent person, a decent mother to be caught up in the web of DOCS lies and trouble makers.
I don't care what anyone thinks if you close your eyes and think and you are right about everything you don't back down to anyone whatsoever and why should you.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 25 Aug 2008 08:08:PM
Hey guys its been years since I have come back on this site and I have notice the Controversy Corner forum is a little dead where I kicked up a stink about having a unfaithful wife and having to pay for kids that were not mine.
Looks like we have more action on a new forum on this site again and its docs, well when i had trouble with them they weren't called docs but who cares the name has changed but the same crew are still there.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 25 Aug 2008 08:25:PM
Originally Posted by jenmaz
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As families undergoing child protection investigations and so on, we need to be very careful how we relate to the Dept. I believe there is a far better outcome through being civil, polite, assertive, professional and so on. I know this is hard at times, particularly if the DoCS workers are not showing the same attitudes, but for the sake of your case and the emotional security of your children it is vitally important.
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And this is exactly what I was told that you have to kiss their butts even after a crap when they run out of dunnie paper otherwise they will try to remove your kids.
But why should you do this when the parents are right and docs got it wrong because personally 5 years ago i knew of a case that was covered up because of a case worker hell bent on a vengence trip against a neighbour.

They do mistakes you know and they are good at covering their tracks up and only yesterday i was told that they cannot be sued for just about anything they do wrong.

I'm back! I might have to do some researching on this because I know the way i was treated by the CSA group years ago and i'm still burning with hate for the way i was treated.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 25 Aug 2008 08:29:PM
When is the poll going up? I know what office i will be voting for l_sabre devil
Originally Posted by Crow
When is the poll going up? I know what office i will be voting for l_sabre devil


Crow
Good to see another on this thread
As for the poll I will choose around 12 Queensland offices and if I get any complaints from some that have joined that I have missed their office of death I will add it.
Again as some have said via emails or PM's (private messages)they don't want to post all they want to do is poll the MOST HATED GOVERNMENT OFFICE IN QUEENSLAND
I will say this again you might have to wait ANOTHER NINE yes 9 months before I start this poll as I have a reason for this.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 27 Aug 2008 10:50:PM


Most forums that have polls today have a limit on options so if that's the case with aus-city just limit the amount of offices to say 10-15 and if this is the forums limits and if anyone has a complaint about another office they can just post the office in question with a simple post under the poll and if they're scared to post that well bad luck.
You can't please everyone,it just shows you the amount of intimidation that docs must use if people that join a public forum and are scared to post anything against them.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 27 Aug 2008 10:53:PM


I can't wait to see what office wins with the displeasure of being the most hated docs office.
I just wonder maybe a FOI document might help.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 29 Aug 2008 02:25:PM
Hey I hate Gov dept

Talking to my bro last nite and he tells me he has passed this link to other lawyers that he knows and they all had a giggle and said don't go to hard on docs as this is where most of the family lawyers make their income from. teehee
No docs = unemployed family Lawyers. teehee
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 29 Aug 2008 02:30:PM
Originally Posted by jaremt


I can't wait to see what office wins with the displeasure of being the most hated docs office.
I just wonder maybe a FOI document might help.


jaremt
I recon this will be a ripper
My brother told me last nite the worst office in qld is in nth Brisbane (Ha Ha not telling)according to one of his lawyer buddies and the other is near the Gold Coast closely followed by the top of qld where the sun shines all the time.
Get your numbers up I hate Gov dept and when you're ready rip into it.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 29 Aug 2008 02:39:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Michelle

Please do not trust any of your phones, The Police today have ways to tape a conversation without asking your permission or getting a court order.
Please ask your lawyer immediately about this matter of recording of your phone calls and he will confirm what I am saying is true.
DON'T trust anybody. Your best friend could be your enemy


Only a idiot would think that his or her phone is private after all did all watch the news the other nite.
Starting next year the police will have unlimited powers in phone tapping here in qld
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 30 Aug 2008 08:33:PM
Queensland is slowly become a Nazi state.
I bet this Department of Child safety would like to get these powers.
And as for the poll it will be interesting I would say.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 30 Aug 2008 08:36:PM
Found this today.
http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/localnews-qld/12003/
Just one of the many found on the internet.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 30 Aug 2008 09:34:PM
Well I hate Govt Dept...I knew it was going to be child safety, just my severe hate for them gave the clue away...you sounded just like me in your posts so that was obvious too...

Anyway update on my case, I fought it on my own, came to hearing and the magistrate wouldn't grant their 2 year order but instead ordered the dept to reunify over the next few months. The hearing only lasted 1 hour the most and I only got to question 2 officers but it was fun, especially when I jammed them for every lie they displayed with the truth back at them...they couldn't answer nothing straight and had their famous excuse of "That's not my job" or "I'm unaware of this" or "it's not in my notes". Absolutely pathetic but I didn't go in finding answers just to display the truth b/c be the day they were taking my kids for 2 years over their hypocritical lies...my children have severely suffered while in care due to the separation from us as parents and have told Dchs and Children's Commission they have never been abused, felt scared or threatened by us but absolutely safe with us! You think anyone listened? Of course not.

Anyway still have a fight to go but have backed off while the order is still being sort of abided by reunification wise.

The other bit of advise, is when parents get socially assessed by Social workers (part of the court procedure) watch for the diagnosis of possible mental illness to make the case for the dept and also it prevents legal aid for the parent which is why I ended up having to fight my own case and also proving I didn't have this so-called mental illness.

The dept may not need actual evidence to prove their so-called claim but they do if their is evidence to prove they lied and then they have to have burden/onus of proof from there on in!


LovingMyKids
you're so correct in saying that I sounded like you
but the problem is after speaking to others on this and other forums the others sound like me so if this is the case we all sound the same.
But being in a position to speak to a few and we have over 150 members that I suspect have joined this forum against DOCs and a few have PM'ed me asking when I'm going to start the poll the one question I asked them was.
DID THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SAFETY OFFICERS IN ANY WAY LIE!!
Well you guessed it I don't remember the exact amount but most of them answered YES.
This question why they lie bothers me and it rings in my head till today, I have asked my lawyer this a hundred times this question why do they do this why do they blatantly lie to either set someone up or to inflame the situation and after my mess is over I want some answers and if I don't get them from this country I will look elsewhere. NOT SAYING MORE!!!There is a saying in the English Language "Quote" ITS WHO YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU KNOW
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids

The other bit of advise, is when parents get socially assessed by Social workers (part of the court procedure) watch for the diagnosis of possible mental illness to make the case for the dept and also it prevents legal aid for the parent which is why I ended up having to fight my own case and also proving I didn't have this so-called mental illness.


Do you know anybody today can be dragged out of their house by cops because someone complains about you being mad even if you're not!!
DOCS use it, all they need is a JP to sign it and presto you're out of your house.
You're correct its a DOCS ploy to discredit you in anyway so you don't get your kids back.
How pitiful.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 31 Aug 2008 08:25:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids

The other bit of advise, is when parents get socially assessed by Social workers (part of the court procedure) watch for the diagnosis of possible mental illness to make the case for the dept and also it prevents legal aid for the parent which is why I ended up having to fight my own case and also proving I didn't have this so-called mental illness.


Do you know anybody today can be dragged out of their house by cops because someone complains about you being mad even if you're not!!
DOCS use it, all they need is a JP to sign it and presto you're out of your house.
You're correct its a DOCS ploy to discredit you in anyway so you don't get your kids back.
How pitiful.


The thing about JP's signing that bit of paper that had you taken out of your house was in the papers a month or so ago, also it was shown on today tonight not long after.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 31 Aug 2008 08:31:PM
I have a mate that's in the shit with child safety up in townsville as I type this and I will be seeing him this weekend. I will give him the link of this site so he can join and get a hoard of others in townsville to follow suit.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 31 Aug 2008 08:38:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids


Anyway update on my case, I fought it on my own, came to hearing and the magistrate wouldn't grant their 2 year order but instead ordered the dept to reunify over the next few months. The hearing only lasted 1 hour the most and I only got to question 2 officers but it was fun, especially when I jammed them for every lie they displayed with the truth back at them...they couldn't answer nothing straight and had their famous excuse of "That's not my job" or "I'm unaware of this" or "it's not in my notes". Absolutely pathetic but I didn't go in finding answers just to display the truth b/c be the day they were taking my kids for 2 years over their hypocritical lies.


My new girlfriend has read this and she told me to tell you that you have guts girl to take child safety on by yourself.
Tell me how many lawyers appeared on their side? or did they just turn up by themselves.
I though CSA was bad enough as I had to pay child maintenance for a child for years that wasn't even mine.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 31 Aug 2008 08:42:PM
Loving My Kids
My girlfriend just told me to tell you that you should be compensated for this as how are you going to replace those precious years you lost without your children.
I loved my children even when a DNA test told me they weren't mine.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 01 Sep 2008 03:49:PM
Originally Posted by Crow
Loving My Kids
My girlfriend just told me to tell you that you should be compensated for this as how are you going to replace those precious years you lost without your children.
I loved my children even when a DNA test told me they weren't mine.


+1 for me
She should be compensated and so should anyone found not guilty of child abuse via the courts.
This way the cops will be a little more careful before charging someone on a false allegation.

Stick it to them Loving My kids.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 01 Sep 2008 08:31:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT


I want some answers and if I don't get them from this country I will look elsewhere. NOT SAYING MORE!!!There is a saying in the English Language "Quote" ITS WHO YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU KNOW

Now I remember who you are as the above seems to ring a bell. I remember seeing you dress in a suit many years ago walking out of .... Head office here in Melbourne. Now how did you get access to their Building? I bet you got invited their.
That's right I remember in this case its not what you know its who you know.
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT


I want some answers and if I don't get them from this country I will look elsewhere. NOT SAYING MORE!!!There is a saying in the English Language "Quote" ITS WHO YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU KNOW

Now I remember who you are as the above seems to ring a bell. I remember seeing you dress in a suit many years ago walking out of .... Head office here in Melbourne. Now how did you get access to their Building? I bet you got invited their.
That's right I remember in this case its not what you know its who you know.


Please ew_289 lets keep on topic, the topic is those scumbags that lie from the Department of Child Safety, those Child stealers that get away with stealing children. Who cares who I am or who's door I walked out from. offtopic
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 03 Sep 2008 01:12:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
[quote=ew_289][quote=I Hate GOV, DEPT]

Who cares who I am or who's door I walked out from. offtopic

Edited by I hate Gov Dept
Again who I talk to is my business.
Want a laugh!
I go to Google and do a random check this time and I type in LIARS and guess who comes up the top of the list?
Also check the ones below (if you can see them) you will see I HATE GOV DEPT in there

Attached picture Google1docsliars.jpg
Thankyou Google's it shows you that even the word Liars attaches itself to the Department Of Child Safety.

If this file could be hosted elsewhere other than aus-city I would as its not clear enough to enjoy.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 03 Sep 2008 08:14:PM
We were all laughing our head off today at work, we tried it a few times and it didn't come up but eventually it did.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 03 Sep 2008 08:23:PM


Done a crop job for you as yours was hard to see superhappy

Attached picture Google DOCS LIARSCROP1.jpg
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 03 Sep 2008 08:37:PM


If you look at the six links above, the six are stories against the Department of Child safety.
This has me stumped how they get away with it,this is all you hear Lie, Lies Liars, distorter's of the truth, fabricators, forgers, gangsters.
Is there any names for them that I have missed?.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 04 Sep 2008 08:38:PM

Cathy I bet there is a lot of words that you have missed but are they palatable to put on a public forum?.
This is something I didn't know. Do you know that the average school in Queensland gets a notification and a visit from child safety officers about two to three time a week.
My sister is in the P&C at a high school near Buderim. she said when they arrive everyone scatters.
Thanks for the crop cathy, you can read it now. teehee
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 06 Sep 2008 08:16:PM


I actually visited the altnews site today and read some of those stories about what some have experienced with the department of child safety and its frightening.
With any public forum today you will always get a few idiots but most of the stories written their are genuinely frightening as I said to the wife last night its just as well our kids are all over the age of 18 as I would not know how to handle myself if docs ever knocked on my door.
Some of you know that my country of origin was S Africa and I don't have to tell you what happens when you get a knock on the door and forced entry from an unwelcome visitor.
DOCS in South Africa would not last long, Far too many AK 47's still around.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 06 Sep 2008 08:22:PM
Originally Posted by Cathy B


Done a crop job for you as yours was hard to see superhappy


Cathy,

This will be one of our subjects tomorrow. What happens when a Government gives one of its Departments excessive powers and they become a law of their own?
Posted By: Julie Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 07 Sep 2008 10:10:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by Cathy B


Done a crop job for you as yours was hard to see superhappy


Cathy,

This will be one of our subjects tomorrow. What happens when a Government gives one of its Departments excessive powers and they become a law of their own?


Its been a while since I last came to these forums for other reasons and now since I am Divorced from my husband I decided to move interstate with my Children and live with my long time friend that happens to work for Queensland Child Safety.

I will get to the point I am horrified in the way this forum has been run with a vendetta against a Government agency that does no wrong. How can you say that Child safety are nothing but a bunch of liars and bullies as that itself is nothing but a big lie as I cannot see these hard working women doing their difficult jobs and lying as this is impossible and unthinkable.

It is good to see that Australia is slowly changing, we have more women in power than ever before, we have a new Governor General Quentin Bryce, Our Premier is a fantastic leader and so is the Police Minister and the Child Safety Minister and they just happen to all be women.

Its simple. What I am trying to say is we need more women in power today to right the wicked ways than men have run riot for years and mostly we need new blood by having people like Hetty Johnson from Bravehearts to enter the Political arena and become a minister and an ideal position for her would be Child Safety as she would definitely sort out a few problems that the Department is still plagued with today.

What is most important today, people Like Hetty Johnson are Honest, unbiased, hard working and would never dream of lying and so are all the women that bring charges against men in Child Abuse cases.

I would love to work for Child Safety, and become a good team player and dedicate my life in doing the right thing in removing from home all suspected Child Abusing men.

Its time for a change, we need more women in power today as most men today are all the same.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 07 Sep 2008 11:23:PM
Julie, Julie, Julie, Have I got your name right or is that a pseudonym? Ooooh watch out, A CHILD ABUSER can spell, that means she had an education and excelled but I'm still considered a child abuser...but only in the Department of Child safety's eyes! Not in the police, not in the reunification officer's, not in my neighbours, not in the counselors, and not in my community, not even with the Magistrate, just with the Department of Child Safety.

Your right, they are hard working women doing a hard job when they are pursuing child abusers, but what about parents who are maybe just struggling, need help/intervention when asking for it but instead get a boot from 'women with power' who only see a case to be won, pick up any little dirty laundry and filthy it more by misconstruing innocent facts and then cause havoc in families by separating children from each other b/c they're too many for one foster family too handle and also cut contact with all other family members to make the kids pliable for their case?

There is a vast difference to parents and child abusers and maybe that should be ascertained before names are getting thrown around. In my case, Julie, I have had to put up with lies from workers who are initially inexperienced, just out of uni, getting conned into the $10,000 bonus every 6 months for a worthy cause, or so they thought until the team leader and manager wants to start pulling their weight around with these poor front line workers getting them to lie, falsify documents and scheme against parents when contact is appropriate to make it look it wasn't because the parent is showing up the dept.

There are unfortunately many cases out there that are going through this ordeal EVERY DAY with these kids suffering worse in care than when they were at home. There's nothing really wrong with the practice manual or the CPA99, it's the workers, management, ministerial, you name it, who don't want to go by the law to do their job, throwing their weight around and thinking they have the power, they don't when it comes to shoving the law where it fits in court and that's something they forget and plus a higher power.

Please invite your friend to read what I've written here and if she thinks she maybe heading this way in her job, she can be different and make a difference in kids lives when there is no abuse happening.

Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Sep 2008 10:19:AM
LovingMyKids its not Julie,Julie,Julie, its DYKE,DYKE,DYKE.
What a pitiful person you are you remind me of one of the bitches that works for the CSA telling me someone has to pay for your child even if the child you think is yours is not yours. {DNA test told the truth}. FUCK OFF and crawl back from where you come from because you can see from what you have written here you are nothing but a men hating bitch.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Sep 2008 03:26:PM
Hey Crow, my daughter just said, Nice brother nice! You nailed it with the Dyke comment, I didn't realise she was so loving to the women until I re-read it today! Julie (Dyke, whichever name you prefer), I'm a woman, power hungry now that I've won another case against the dept, to make sure my kids have their say and get justice and dignity given back to them!

I'm real sorry Crow, about your situation, that's very sad and pathetic but typical of power abusing women (there's a difference between power hungry and power abusing...)I bet you don't even get to have a relationship with the kid your supporting?! My condolences to you and the child! Very sad.

Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Sep 2008 04:55:PM
Julie

You sound a bit like Cathy back in the early days except she liked men and possibly girls too but as she explained to me she had a guy give her a hard time that gave her an impression that all men were the same.
But for you Julie I could just imagine what would happen if people like you ever got into power or a position of power as heaven help us men.
Julie don't you read the papers? Don't you read the internet? I was blind to all these accusations against these Child Government Departments Australia wide until I was directed to the internet to do my own researching and it wasn't until I spoke to my Lawyer not long ago fighting a speeding ticket and I asked him is it true about these Child Related Government Departments in Australia behaving this way and he replied unfortunately yes.

Julie you need to lighten up, maybe you need to find another guy and he alone will be able to remove your frustrations but whatever you do please never apply for a position related to the above
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Sep 2008 05:02:PM
Where is I Hate Gov Department when you need him? He will flip his lid when he reads what this bitch said. Holy Mother of Mary's my wife is still shaking her head, she wants to join the forum just to tell her off.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Sep 2008 06:30:PM
Originally Posted by jaremt
Julie

You sound a bit like Cathy back in the early days except she liked men and possibly girls too but as she explained to me she had a guy give her a hard time that gave her an impression that all men were the same.
But for you Julie I could just imagine what would happen if people like you ever got into power or a position of power as heaven help us men.
Julie don't you read the papers? Don't you read the internet? I was blind to all these accusations against these Child Government Departments Australia wide until I was directed to the internet to do my own researching and it wasn't until I spoke to my Lawyer not long ago fighting a speeding ticket and I asked him is it true about these Child Related Government Departments in Australia behaving this way and he replied unfortunately yes.

Julie you need to lighten up, maybe you need to find another guy and he alone will be able to remove your frustrations but whatever you do please never apply for a position related to the above


Some of you guys out there think I might like a bit of girl? well I have news for you your never going to find that one out guys teehee but please don't tell me that I don't like guys because that one pisses me off.
As for mouth almighty DOCS lover above its types like you that keeps my brother buddies in business as I have said before DOCS keeps lining the pockets of Lawyers that have to save families from there crap and you want to join them.
Julie I have a friend up here in Brisbane that was ravished by Child Safety Qld and she would like to meet you with her strap on, if you want to meet her just give us a holler.
A man is away for a day or too sick in bed only to turn the computer on this afternoon to see this plastered on a Public forum.
I for one cannot believe what this Julie has written. You know I had to read it 10 time with my flu ridden body because all I could read was WOMEN,WOMEN, WOMEN Are you so bitter Julie?
Could you imagine Julie and others like her that get called up for jury duties and have the unpleasant duties of sitting for a sex trial?. Could you see her being impartial? I bet not, GUILTY! she would say even before the charges are even laid out.
There are more and more people like her today but sorry to say most are women, very bitter, very angry, and with a vengeance against men.
Tell me did your husband ever bash you to make you this way of being so anti Male? There is no doubt about this that you are bordering on the edge of being a ZEALOT.
Now you talk about Hetty Johnson and how you would like to see her in the Political arena, God help us men if that ever happens as if I remember correctly one of Brisbane's prominent Lawyers said on tv that she is brinking on the edge of Zealotry and trust me so are others that work for the Department of Child Safety.
Could you imagine having 12 Jurors like you and others similar to you in a court of law being empaneled in a sex case? The same goes for all the other ZEALOTS we have in QLD Could you imagine these one eyed monsters being picked as jurors and trying to be inpartial during a sex trial? Now that would be mission impossible and don't let anyone tell you differently.

I'm going back to my flu, See you later for more pickings whatever your sexual orientation is Julie if that's your real name..
Please give me an aspirin
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Sep 2008 10:22:PM
Hope you are better soon I hate Gov Dept's! It's horrible having the flu and gee I thought you were quite easy on her I must say!

I noticed she hasn't returned let alone with her friend, but they may have read! Too scared to reply but.

Posted By: Julie Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 09 Sep 2008 12:31:PM
Well I should have expected replies like this. But this won't change my way of thinking that I have now decided that I will be applying for a position with the Department of Child Safety, knowing that I can bring positive outcomes for all investigations regarding child abuse.

I spoke about this with my friend last night and she has told me she might join this forum and have her say but on the good side she has told me that now the department has an abundance of new foster carers, so that means that children will be able to be removed easier from parents when an allegation goes in, put into foster care immediately whilst before the department had nowhere to put them, possibly no relations to position them there, so they had no choice but to return the children back to their abusive parents or guardians. The way the department will be operating now, once a notification has been put in, children will be immediately removed and put into foster care until investigation and I 100% agree with this philosophy and if this unfortunately removes innocent children from their innocent parents, so be it, its the price we pay today. I can't wait to join them as I will definitely bring good to the department.

Originally Posted by Julie
Well I should have expected replies like this. But this won't change my way of thinking that I have now decided that I will be applying for a position with the Department of Child Safety, knowing that I can bring positive outcomes for all investigations regarding child abuse.

I spoke about this with my friend last night and she has told me she might join this forum and have her say but on the good side she has told me that now the department has an abundance of new foster carers, so that means that children will be able to be removed easier from parents when an allegation goes in, put into foster care immediately whilst before the department had nowhere to put them, possibly no relations to position them there, so they had no choice but to return the children back to their abusive parents or guardians. The way the department will be operating now, once a notification has been put in, children will be immediately removed and put into foster care until investigation and I 100% agree with this philosophy and if this unfortunately removes innocent children from their innocent parents, so be it, its the price we pay today. I can't wait to join them as I will definitely bring good to the department.



We can't have dogs like you working in a place where you can be responsible in ruining a families life.
The trouble is bitches like you and others that have the same attitude would lob up to someone house and just because the Father or Mother stands up to you and others like you which most loving parents would do you would dig your heals (leather ones at that)in, remove their Children with your JAB buddies and unleash hell for them.

A scenario:
So what we have today is an average family that is fighting with someone say a neighbour and this neighbour is sick of ringing Centrelink, the Taxation Dept, Local Council or the Police to stir some trouble up but this time lets try something different so he or she this time rings up the Dept of Child Safety and put an abuse complaint in.
So now you have like you said above in your post, you have a Notification so you grab your goon buddies JAB and arrive at the door of the house where the complaint was put in, the fuckwit fills your head with rubbish and you leave there and arrive at the house where the alleged abuse is, remember all this was started by a fuckwit trying to get revenge.
Now a man answers the door, Julie says to her butch self Geeeeeee he resembles my old husband he must be a child abuser, he makes the mistake of letting you and the other goon into the house because in real life without a court order you cannot enter the house unless invited in which you do because most don't understand or know the law(See all,,,,, when DOCS and JAB come to the door they're very, very polite as this is the ploy they use to gain access, but it all changes once in the house)Then they give you the bad news that you or your wife has been accused of abuse. The next thing they want to ask the kids questions in private and while they do this they love asking leading question even to a 5 year old with a brick size tape recorder jammed into their little faces and before you know it you are asking either the father or Mother to pack their bags with NO FUCKING EVIDENCE AND REMOVING THEM FROM THEIR HOUSE.
And of course they want you to resist them so that GOON cop with you can arrest you on a collection of charges and you Julie would experience your first orgasm during work watching a man being carted out by a toothless scumbag wearing jeans with a badge.
So in simple what we have here is a false allegation put in by a fuckwit for whatever reason. A cop with an ego problem, a child safety Zealot Called Julie, and before you know it the father and mother do what comes best to protect their family, a scuffle happens, you get excitedohhhhh the cops like this word, the father gets arrested, you remove the children and send them to Dole Bludging that cant find work or don't want to find work Foster Carers. You have destroyed the family, you ring up the fathers employer like you're good at because these fucking moles know this causes maximum damage, he gets the sack, the family can't pay the mortgage, the house gets repossessed, and you greatfully go home after a good days work and sleep well and remember this, you have a hide to call this substantiated but you have no evidence.
All I want to say more is curse you and your kind and I hope all trollops like you rot in hell you low life. mad mad mad mad
Originally Posted by Julie


but on the good side she has told me that now the department has an abundance of new foster carers, so that means that children will be able to be removed easier from parents when an allegation goes in



For all to know that this Apprentice dog forgot to mention to you that when your children are removed from your home the Department of Child Safety deliberately stalls, delays, fuck you around, you fucking name it. FUCK your child will be 18 by the time it comes to have your day in court and just remember these moles and very few pricks that work there (Most of the guys have left) are protected by the act, IN OTHER WORDS ITS JUST ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE TO SUE THEM!.

On another note do you know most DOCS offices are protected like Fort Knocks? You need to enter one to see for yourself, it reminds me of the way old banks were set up, 12mm glass (who knows it might even be bullet proof too) And don't forget NEVER enter one by yourself. Read what I said earlier about entering a DOCS office without a witness with you.

I cannot wait until I have the poll, naming and shaming the most hated Government office and wait till you see the .?????????????? Not saying yet..
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 09 Sep 2008 11:36:PM
Don't worry I hate Gov Dept - Julie has now given assurance to your user name, Julie may also one day be bitten by her own poison b/c if that's the law, you name it someone from another town may notify her against her kids in support of divorced husband in good ol' NSW. And with what she wrote I'm printing and taking as evidence that their whole handling of cases is to get back at parents regardless of proving allegations of abuse and not at all thinking of the children. It's the Childrens best interest every legal personnel have to think about, and with that argument in court, Dept can try and delay, with parents immediately responding with submitted affidavit's and claiming scandalous and oppressive material against the dept with this proven by a submitte affidavit, it may only be adjourned the once if at all!

That's where parents either know how to respond as skillfully but still honestly to the dept's false claims as quickly as they can with evidence so that then the burden of proof lies with the dept to actually prove with solid evidence their own claims. So PARENTS, KEEP ALL MEDICAL FILES, FOR YOUR CHILD, HAVE THE DOCTOR WRITE OUT HIS DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT AFTER CONSULTATION WITH COPIES OF BLOOD TESTS ETC b/c you cannot access your children's files legally and when the dept subpeona's them, it's all held at the court house, no one including the dept are allowed to take copies, it's only for perusal.

Don't worry Julie, I'll help what parents I can that I know are not abusers and I do hope to meet you in the corridors of a court house helping out a parent regain custody of their children back so that we can use that affidavit material you typed up for the sewer.

Sorry I've learnt my lesson swearing at Dchs' workers. It actually feels better talking nicely to them with the TRUTH of a matter, it's like the word TRUTH is a deadly disease to Dchs - oh that's b/c it is, none of the Dchs workers know what the word TRUTH is let alone what it means that's why it is so easy to respond to their crap claims!

Julie

I have had another twelve hours of rest and been thinking about you (YAK). Why don't you piss off
and crawl back to where you come from as your type are not need here.
Another note,not unless DOCS are desperate or you can bung a good act during your interview if you get one which is possible we hope that you will never be accepted working for this Department of Child Safety.
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
Don't worry I hate Gov Dept - Julie has now given assurance to your user name, Julie may also one day be bitten by her own poison b/c if that's the law, you name it someone from another town may notify her against her kids in support of divorced husband in good ol' NSW. And with what she wrote I'm printing and taking as evidence that their whole handling of cases is to get back at parents regardless of proving allegations of abuse and not at all thinking of the children. It's the Childrens best interest every legal personnel have to think about, and with that argument in court, Dept can try and delay, with parents immediately responding with submitted affidavit's and claiming scandalous and oppressive material against the dept with this proven by a submitte affidavit, it may only be adjourned the once if at all!

That's where parents either know how to respond as skillfully but still honestly to the dept's false claims as quickly as they can with evidence so that then the burden of proof lies with the dept to actually prove with solid evidence their own claims. So PARENTS, KEEP ALL MEDICAL FILES, FOR YOUR CHILD, HAVE THE DOCTOR WRITE OUT HIS DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT AFTER CONSULTATION WITH COPIES OF BLOOD TESTS ETC b/c you cannot access your children's files legally and when the dept subpeona's them, it's all held at the court house, no one including the dept are allowed to take copies, it's only for perusal.

Don't worry Julie, I'll help what parents I can that I know are not abusers and I do hope to meet you in the corridors of a court house helping out a parent regain custody of their children back so that we can use that affidavit material you typed up for the sewer.

Sorry I've learnt my lesson swearing at Dchs' workers. It actually feels better talking nicely to them with the TRUTH of a matter, it's like the word TRUTH is a deadly disease to Dchs - oh that's b/c it is, none of the Dchs workers know what the word TRUTH is let alone what it means that's why it is so easy to respond to their crap claims!



LovingMyKids

Who knows this so called Julie might have applied for a position with Child Safety a position of cleaning the toilets out because this is only what "IT" should be allowed to apply for.
This is a fact that young children when playing games with other kids you will always find one that wants to dominate the others. The same child will grow up and possibly seek a position in the Police service and if they cannot get a position in the Police service after they have failed more than once they lower themselves to other employment that has authority over others.

I have been told this via a chat room conversation that a high amount of Child Safety workers/social workers firstly applied for a position in the Police Service but failed so the next lower lever of authority they can apply for to show their dominance is the Department of Child safety.
See in simple it in their genes, they cant help it that they want to dominate others starting from early childhood to the day they die.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 10 Sep 2008 01:44:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
Don't worry I hate Gov Dept - Julie has now given assurance to your user name, Julie may also one day be bitten by her own poison b/c if that's the law, you name it someone from another town may notify her against her kids in support of divorced husband in good ol' NSW. And with what she wrote I'm printing and taking as evidence that their whole handling of cases is to get back at parents regardless of proving allegations of abuse and not at all thinking of the children. It's the Childrens best interest every legal personnel have to think about, and with that argument in court, Dept can try and delay, with parents immediately responding with submitted affidavit's and claiming scandalous and oppressive material against the dept with this proven by a submitte affidavit, it may only be adjourned the once if at all!

That's where parents either know how to respond as skillfully but still honestly to the dept's false claims as quickly as they can with evidence so that then the burden of proof lies with the dept to actually prove with solid evidence their own claims. So PARENTS, KEEP ALL MEDICAL FILES, FOR YOUR CHILD, HAVE THE DOCTOR WRITE OUT HIS DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT AFTER CONSULTATION WITH COPIES OF BLOOD TESTS ETC b/c you cannot access your children's files legally and when the dept subpeona's them, it's all held at the court house, no one including the dept are allowed to take copies, it's only for perusal.

Don't worry Julie, I'll help what parents I can that I know are not abusers and I do hope to meet you in the corridors of a court house helping out a parent regain custody of their children back so that we can use that affidavit material you typed up for the sewer.

Sorry I've learnt my lesson swearing at Dchs' workers. It actually feels better talking nicely to them with the TRUTH of a matter, it's like the word TRUTH is a deadly disease to Dchs - oh that's b/c it is, none of the Dchs workers know what the word TRUTH is let alone what it means that's why it is so easy to respond to their crap claims!



LovingMyKids

Who knows this so called Julie might have applied for a position with Child Safety a position of cleaning the toilets out because this is only what "IT" should be allowed to apply for.
This is a fact that young children when playing games with other kids you will always find one that wants to dominate the others. The same child will grow up and possibly seek a position in the Police service and if they cannot get a position in the Police service after they have failed more than once they lower themselves to other employment that has authority over others.

I have been told this via a chat room conversation that a high amount of Child Safety workers/social workers firstly applied for a position in the Police Service but failed so the next lower lever of authority they can apply for to show their dominance is the Department of Child safety.
See in simple it in their genes, they cant help it that they want to dominate others starting from early childhood to the day they die.


This Julie is only a want to be so in other words a useless mouth that hopes one day to work for DoChs and I wouldn't take any notice what she says.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 10 Sep 2008 06:45:PM
Hi long time reader, first time poster.

I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech. I'm also a firm believer in people having their own opinions on certain subjects. However, I'm really concerned about what Julie has had to say.

For a person who knows the Department of Child Safety and exactly how it works, I'm deeply horrified to think that there are people out there who actually think that the point of foster carers is just a means to allow the Department to remove children before an investigation is conducted!

Julie, your post goes to show that you have no idea how the Department works. The Department WILL NOT be operating in this way. Not only is it unethical but it's also ILLEGAL! THe Departmet has no right to remove children just because a notification has come in on a family. As it has been said before in this forum, if the parents have abused their children then yes, remove the children for their safety. But there are instances where the notifications recieved are fales, malicious, made up crap!

You would not be bringing good to the department and I'm deeply concerned that any office would hire you. It's people like you that are the reason that there are problems in the Department.
Originally Posted by Hesperus
Hi long time reader, first time poster.

I'm a firm believer in freedom of speech. I'm also a firm believer in people having their own opinions on certain subjects. However, I'm really concerned about what Julie has had to say.

For a person who knows the Department of Child Safety and exactly how it works, I'm deeply horrified to think that there are people out there who actually think that the point of foster carers is just a means to allow the Department to remove children before an investigation is conducted!

Julie, your post goes to show that you have no idea how the Department works. The Department WILL NOT be operating in this way. Not only is it unethical but it's also ILLEGAL! THe Departmet has no right to remove children just because a notification has come in on a family. As it has been said before in this forum, if the parents have abused their children then yes, remove the children for their safety. But there are instances where the notifications recieved are fales, malicious, made up crap!

You would not be bringing good to the department and I'm deeply concerned that any office would hire you. It's people like you that are the reason that there are problems in the Department.


Very good point Hespera.
But unfortunately the Department does get it wrong and tries to remove your children and now possibly put them with foster carers because they can and personally I don't like this.
I will say this for the 100th time, what happens when the Department of Child Safety gets it wrong? What happens when a Social worker from the Department of Child Safety deliberately LIES!?!?! Or they might call it entrapment but in the eyes of the law its simple they LIED!!!!!!!!!!
This is my biggest gripe with them and this is the ONLY reason I'm here on this site because of FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS LIAR and we have the CONCRETE evidence recorded to prove it.
I hope your reading this MOLE your days will be coming soon via the Crimes and Misconduct Commission. These Social workers work in an area where the truth must be a must so why did they lie that day bitch? That started my problem with DOCS, You're not going to get away with it SLUT!!
Hespera,
I have always respected the Police. Even the Police (JAB cop) warned me about them saying we are only the Police and we see if the law is broken but please remember we do not have anything to do what DOCS does. Now this will ring in my head until I die, Even her superior gave me a hint about DOCS but because this was day 2 of my headache I made nothing of it because at that time DOCS ment nothing to me but now they do.
The internet today is full of stories against DOCS and the common denominator is Lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still can't believe it, the Cops warned me about them and now I know why. I will say it again, the police try to warn me that whatever DOCS does we dont have anything to do with them and I thank them for that. Its a pity that I didnt listen to them in the early days but now I have realized what they're like.
Posted By: wellillbe Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 10 Sep 2008 09:02:PM
Hi Another long time reader first time poster

I have never had personal contact with dchs but i have seen the damage this dept. has done. I've seen the laywers shaking their heads i've seen the families torn apart (including foster carers) It's like they want to notch a skull in there belt. And yes julie the lies OMG the lies if thats what you aspire to be ask yourself this, why do you want to do so much damage when alot of notifications are faults, who do you hate more happy families or men because it very apparent in your post thats it's 1 or both
Originally Posted by Hespera
It's people like you that are the reason that there are problems in the Department.

And the trouble is the Department if full of types like her.
Do you know any Lawyers? Don't listen to me ring them up and ask them what I have been complaining about. Also Julie tells us she would like to join DOCS, who said she will get a position their.
She could be a shit shoveler stirring the DOCS pot.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 11 Sep 2008 01:21:AM
You're right I Hate Gov, the Department does get it wrong. It would be naive of people to think that this Government run Department, or any Government or Community Organisation get it right 100% of the time. My heart goes out to families that have had their lives torn apart by the Department over false allegations and lies. I couldn't imagine how it would feel to have lies made up about me and my children taken away from me. My heart also goes out to families that have had other government and community organisations get it wrong and have the same effect. I'm not sure what it is, maybe it's human nature, but when there's people involved there's mistakes made, human error and out right injustices that occur. I don't think that there is anyway around it, unless we can make every human being perfect.

I think that people working in the Department who are intent on making up lies about families should be punished, there's just no excuse for it. There is a lot of power and responsibility given to these people and care and time should be taken to get the facts. I won't deny that there are people in the Department that shouldn't be working there. But just as with any other place, there are good people who are trying to help families and make a difference.

I know for a fact that Julie would not get a job in the Department. Her views on what the Department stand for are so far fetched and unrealistic and she obvsiously has a vandetta against someone that is very unhealthy. I also know for a fact that the Department would not implement such a callous and horrible standard for investigating notifications. They're in enough hot water with the community as it is. Why do something so uncalled for just to add fuel to the fire. Whoever Julie is getting her information from has it completely wrong.

It's not just men who abuse children. Women abuse children just as much. And children abuse other children. Julie obviously has some issues from her marriage that she needs to sort out. How would removing "all suspected child abusing men" fix anything? What about the women who are abusing the children? What about the siblings that are abusing each other? What about the neighbours and grandparents that are doing the same? Not only that, but just because someone says that it's happening, doesn't mean that it is. You need evidence to remove anyone from a situation like that.

I think that educating the public is a great idea. Everyone should know what their rights are when it comes to dealing with the Department and any other government run organisation.

As for departmental officers that do the wrong thing...It upsets me, it makes me sick to my stomach. To think that these people have the power to help people and change lives and KEEP families together, and yet they do the complete opposite.

Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 11 Sep 2008 10:37:AM


You can see what has irritated I hate Gov Dept from day one in his first post. Its not the honest mistake that Child Safety has done, its the deliberate action of a Child Safety worker that has gone out of her way to lie and when situations like that happen unfortunately it can open a can of worms.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 11 Sep 2008 10:43:AM
Originally Posted by wellillbe
Hi Another long time reader first time poster

I have never had personal contact with dchs but i have seen the damage this dept. has done. I've seen the laywers shaking their heads i've seen the families torn apart (including foster carers) It's like they want to notch a skull in there belt. And yes julie the lies OMG the lies if thats what you aspire to be ask yourself this, why do you want to do so much damage when alot of notifications are faults, who do you hate more happy families or men because it very apparent in your post thats it's 1 or both


As I hate Gov Dept has explained many times the Department is full of Zealots and when you rub them up the wrong way which you as a parent are entitled to to protect your children some of the case workers will go to any length to seek their revenge.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 11 Sep 2008 10:54:AM
yes I can vouch for that as will my kids in the media one day! I will inform the public as I'm just an average woman that got inolved with DcHs b/c of a wrong choice in partner ONCE and tragic circumstances after that kept them around but even though they knew, do you think they supported when asked for help? No No No.

They planned, schemed and destroyed for the next couple of years and this all started from a simple wrong choice! Unbelievable...I've had to have self-esteem counseling not b/c of previous domestic violence but b/c of the intimidation and lies by this dept. There should be orders out for them like Domestic Violence orders b/c they do just as much damage and there's kids involved and torn apart from the dept's actions!!!
Posted By: mumkids2008 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 11 Sep 2008 06:49:PM
Hi am another that has been reading this forum for months and have finally got the guts to join.

After having read the comments on this site, I can vouch that 98% of the comments are so true. When we had a notification put in against us, there was no evidence of any abuse whatsoever, I was treated like dirt, my husband was treated like dirt and I could not believe the way they conducted themselves, by pushing me to get rid of my husband. We were both shocked at the way they behaved, she continually pushed me, rang me at least 6 times, knocked on the door at least 5 times over a month period, telling me "haven't you got rid of your husband yet?". Then the intimidation started where they removed out children out of school and interrogated them. Mind you, my son was only 6 years old and they were asking "Is daddy here or is daddy there?". They even lowered themselves by going to some of our friends, telling what happened, deliberately trying to cause problems between friends. They repeatedly came back again, trying to intimidate me to get rid of my husband or you will lose your children. Why should I get rid of my husband, he hasn't done anything wrong? 12 months later we find out in court that it was a false allegation put in by a child and the department of child safety lied! You can imagine how disgusted and degraded we felt being treated like we were the worst people in the world when all we are doing is caring for and loving our children.

Its nice to finally be able to get some others to listen to what is really going on with this department. May I also tell you that we were intimidated to not talk to anyone or the media or put anything on the internet as the case worker said they would remove our children. Its been over 3 years now, 3 years of hell of looking over our shoulders, 3 years of sending our children to school and wondering if they were going to come back home, 3 years that the children went to school worrying that they might be taken out that day, now you tell me if this is fair? I will never never never forgive them and I hope one day a smart lawyer finds a loophole and starts a massive class action against the government for letting this department of child safety get out of control.
Originally Posted by mumkids2008
Hi am another that has been reading this forum for months and have finally got the guts to join.

After having read the comments on this site, I can vouch that 98% of the comments are so true. When we had a notification put in against us, there was no evidence of any abuse whatsoever, I was treated like dirt, my husband was treated like dirt and I could not believe the way they conducted themselves, by pushing me to get rid of my husband. We were both shocked at the way they behaved, she continually pushed me, rang me at least 6 times, knocked on the door at least 5 times over a month period, telling me "haven't you got rid of your husband yet?". Then the intimidation started where they removed out children out of school and interrogated them. Mind you, my son was only 6 years old and they were asking "Is daddy here or is daddy there?". They even lowered themselves by going to some of our friends, telling what happened, deliberately trying to cause problems between friends. They repeatedly came back again, trying to intimidate me to get rid of my husband or you will lose your children. Why should I get rid of my husband, he hasn't done anything wrong? 12 months later we find out in court that it was a false allegation put in by a child and the department of child safety lied! You can imagine how disgusted and degraded we felt being treated like we were the worst people in the world when all we are doing is caring for and loving our children.

Its nice to finally be able to get some others to listen to what is really going on with this department. May I also tell you that we were intimidated to not talk to anyone or the media or put anything on the internet as the case worker said they would remove our children. Its been over 3 years now, 3 years of hell of looking over our shoulders, 3 years of sending our children to school and wondering if they were going to come back home, 3 years that the children went to school worrying that they might be taken out that day, now you tell me if this is fair? I will never never never forgive them and I hope one day a smart lawyer finds a loophole and starts a massive class action against the government for letting this department of child safety get out of control.


Another person, another story but have you noticed that magic word always seems to pop up from person to person? INTIMIDATION, INTIMIDATED. I would like 100 or so more to join this forum and post on this thread of the most HATED GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT and maybe after that one day someone in the Government might do something about this Department.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 12 Sep 2008 08:33:PM
Over 17,00 views and still climbing. 60% are DoChs staff with nothing better to do.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 12 Sep 2008 08:39:PM
Reading the altnews site and it seems everyone thinks that DOCS are Nazi's.
My opinion is that they act like it.
http://forums.altnews.com.au/node/69#comment-614
Originally Posted by jaremt
Reading the altnews site and it seems everyone thinks that DOCS are Nazi's.
My opinion is that they act like it.
http://forums.altnews.com.au/node/69#comment-614


Nazi! NO GESTARPO their worst
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 15 Sep 2008 11:05:PM
Originally Posted by mumkids2008
Hi am another that has been reading this forum for months and have finally got the guts to join.

After having read the comments on this site, I can vouch that 98% of the comments are so true. When we had a notification put in against us, there was no evidence of any abuse whatsoever, I was treated like dirt, my husband was treated like dirt and I could not believe the way they conducted themselves, by pushing me to get rid of my husband. We were both shocked at the way they behaved, she continually pushed me, rang me at least 6 times, knocked on the door at least 5 times over a month period, telling me "haven't you got rid of your husband yet?". Then the intimidation started where they removed out children out of school and interrogated them. Mind you, my son was only 6 years old and they were asking "Is daddy here or is daddy there?". They even lowered themselves by going to some of our friends, telling what happened, deliberately trying to cause problems between friends. They repeatedly came back again, trying to intimidate me to get rid of my husband or you will lose your children. Why should I get rid of my husband, he hasn't done anything wrong? 12 months later we find out in court that it was a false allegation put in by a child and the department of child safety lied! You can imagine how disgusted and degraded we felt being treated like we were the worst people in the world when all we are doing is caring for and loving our children.

Its nice to finally be able to get some others to listen to what is really going on with this department. May I also tell you that we were intimidated to not talk to anyone or the media or put anything on the internet as the case worker said they would remove our children. Its been over 3 years now, 3 years of hell of looking over our shoulders, 3 years of sending our children to school and wondering if they were going to come back home, 3 years that the children went to school worrying that they might be taken out that day, now you tell me if this is fair? I will never never never forgive them and I hope one day a smart lawyer finds a loophole and starts a massive class action against the government for letting this department of child safety get out of control.

What you went through is nothing unusual according to my Brother. They always try to intimidate, put you under extreme pressure and use your kids as a weapon of blackmail against your old man.
Get them in court and watch them change their tune because this is the way they operate and if an accusation has been made against your man they will use whatever trick they can use to remove him out of the house.
Remember as I HATE GOV said that a lot of them are men haters. Well I have one better, most of them are lesbians.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 15 Sep 2008 11:07:PM
Its not dykes on bikes its dykes at DoCHs.
Cathy I don't know what we are going to do with you. happyeyes But you might have a point.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 18 Sep 2008 07:51:PM
Well there's definitely no justice in this state. Our hearing went for an hour with the judge not wishing to give the department any custody arrangements but ordered to reunify.

So they are reunifying with my ex which is good, I have no worries with that, we get on but and here's the but I have been denied contact now, can't complain to the local office, or the complaints unit let alone the Minister with anything being directed to the client relations officer at the zone office for our area.

I tried to work it out through her with her denying this and too bad too sad type comment thrown in of no review mechanism's available to me.

I have tried to enlist the matter back into court due to this contact issue and another matter but have been told the judge won't hear it until it is next heard, Dec 2008. so I'm stuck with now NO contact at all, no review/appeal or complaint processes for me or the kids and if ex-hubby thinks about supporting me on this, reunification will be stopped with him also!

All because their evidence was found to be false, and the judge didn't want to pull them up on it, he now won't hear anything and won't come December. By then the mountain of non-abidance, threats, intimidation and illegal issues coming forth from this is unbelievable! The are not transparent or accountable even with the court system!

Bloody sickening.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 18 Sep 2008 10:06:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
Well there's definitely no justice in this state. Our hearing went for an hour with the judge not wishing to give the department any custody arrangements but ordered to reunify.

So they are reunifying with my ex which is good, I have no worries with that, we get on but and here's the but I have been denied contact now, can't complain to the local office, or the complaints unit let alone the Minister with anything being directed to the client relations officer at the zone office for our area.

I tried to work it out through her with her denying this and too bad too sad type comment thrown in of no review mechanism's available to me.

I have tried to enlist the matter back into court due to this contact issue and another matter but have been told the judge won't hear it until it is next heard, Dec 2008. so I'm stuck with now NO contact at all, no review/appeal or complaint processes for me or the kids and if ex-hubby thinks about supporting me on this, reunification will be stopped with him also!

All because their evidence was found to be false, and the judge didn't want to pull them up on it, he now won't hear anything and won't come December. By then the mountain of non-abidance, threats, intimidation and illegal issues coming forth from this is unbelievable! The are not transparent or accountable even with the court system!

Bloody sickening.


I was told that most of these types of court cases the Judge is asleep on the Job. As for DoCHS more I read about them, the more I feel they're a law of their own and you wonder today doesn't anybody care.
Posted By: mumkids2008 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 18 Sep 2008 10:43:PM
I gather LovingMyKids that the reunification was not with the person that the department have the trouble with as you said in your earlier post (about a bad choice of partners). If this person has nothing to do with you or your children anymore I can't see how the department can justify that you are not allowed to have any contact with your children. This is doing irreparable damage to the whole family. This department needs some big shake up to wake up to themselves. False allegations are such a cruel thing to have happen to anyone.

How can it be that the department can overrule the judges decision? I thought the justice system had more authority than the department, or am I really blinkered?

Keep your chin up and let us know how you go.

Mumkids,

In plain English its called VENDETTA. I will say it again for all to read that once you lock horns against DOCS they will go out of their way to fuck you up and they don't give a rats arse what the court says as they come up with some mumbo jumbo saying they're understaffed and there is nothing we can do about your case for the moment. YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR YOUR TURN!!!
This is done deliberately as I have spoken to at least 3 families in QLD that won their case but took years to get their kids back.
By the way the case I was talking about the children were 15 (boy) and 17 (girl) that got sick of Fuck up foster carers and continually ran away back to their mother and Fathers house.

I was told this by the father of those two Children that DOCS can do fuck all if kids of that age run away. What are they going to do? Stick them in Jail!?!? Again DOCS are fucked!! The kids run away, they turn up at the parents place, JAB GOONS!! They turn up with DOCS Lesbo's to steal them back to other Foster carers, this time PUS face DOCS Liars sent them away to other Foster carers a long away from the parents home only for the kids to do the same again.
I will say it again if there is concrete evidence of abuse well DOCS deserves to remove the kids but to remove the kids because of a vendetta by an individual because of a false allegation, plus the case is blown out of proportion because of a dirty fucking lying smelly fat gross pig of a DOCS officer well what can I say DOCS are treading on a very fine line.

Lets face it how many families today have $20,000 to $40,000 to throw around and donate this to Lawyers? NOT MANY and this is how they stump you as I can tell you if you say turn up in court with a high profile Lawyer you will possibly be treated differently.
I just noticed the VIEWS going through the roof!
Its just over 19,000 at the moment. Mind you this outstrips the entire aus-city site for any thread whatsoever.
Posted By: mumkids2008 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 19 Sep 2008 09:51:PM
I cannot understand how there hasn't been another royal commission into this department. We definitely need one.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 19 Sep 2008 11:35:PM
Yes mumkids, definitely is needed. Any advice I can give any parent who hasn't got any money to fight legally like I didn't, and ex had legal aid as did other idiot ex all the way through.

I wrote letters, read the Child safety Practice manual inside and out and the CPA99, complained via letter when this wasn't abided by to the minister, Manager of cssc, opposition minister, children's commission, CMC, and then the complaints unit. I haven't stopped for a year in this.

I responded immediately to the dept's affidavit once received filing this into court sticking the truth to them. If they were going to try and have my kids for 2 years, it won't be for the garbage the dept were trying to claim...

I have just been informed that my local office has has a major shake up and employs have gone, managers and CSO's, with an office looking like it's shutting down...so we'll see. Patience patience! If it is true, I HATE GOV DEPT. . .Vendetta is the word for it in my case! I'm only a single parent fighting with the love of my kids, that's all the power I need plus the guy up above. I'll fight to the end with the truth...they obviously have something to hide if they are going to treat me like this!
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids


I have just been informed that my local office has has a major shake up and employs have gone, managers and CSO's, with an office looking like it's shutting down...


What they do is recycle the trollops to another office. See in Brisbane DOCS management is always doing this on a yearly basis and one of the reason for this is some of the DOCS Zealots start growing a heart and the job gets to them because they see the damage they and others have done and this starts in fighting with the NAZI Gestapo hardliners so they move them around to stop this.
Also another reason they move them around is mainly for the abuse problem they're having so in simple terms if a DOCS CSO lives in the Southern suburbs she or the few he's work in the Northern Suburbs and if a CSO lives in the Northern suburbs she or a few he's work in the southerns offices (This is done to stop the after Hours problems)and they migrate them between offices of that north south area on a regular basis.
I said this before could you imagine going shopping and you see one of the DOCS DOGS that works in your area shopping at the shopping centre where you shop at? you will feel like going over to her or the rare him and having a very nice chat to the person.

Now how do I know the above well its simple I met a disgruntled unemployed sacked DOCs worker two years ago in a chat room and she told me she could not take the pressure anymore but the main reason she left but they sacked her anyway was conflicts with the management on the handling of cases. Now what she meant by the "CONFLICT WITH THE MANAGEMENT I WILL NEVER KNOW" but she said to me in GODS word that her conscience allows her to sleep at night.
So by saying this WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE THEY DOCS UP TO that would make a person want resign but they sack her first.
Wherever you look you will find DOCS and people against them.
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080912015735AA4Nzxf
And another fuckup from DOCS.
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1436231.htm

Read the bit about the USELESS LEGAL AID!

This still has to be one of my favorites.
http://altnews.com.au/drop/node/7592


For all to know I am trying to get a "EX" employee of the Department Of Child Safety to Join this forum but I have told her that she must use her real name, She has nothing to hide, she did nothing wrong? but I want her to use her real name so she can be identified by the DOCS office that she worked in so she can tell of the disasters that she has experienced as a case worker.
Well they treated her like shit after she stood up for a family that DOCS was trying to remove the Children. She was smart enough to smell that something was wrong but OOOOOOhhhh No not the other arrogant bitches that dug their heals in.

(PS Do you know every DOCS office has plenty of paper shredders, and they like to use them when needed)

Also
Stuff it, I lost it!!! I trying to find the Link of the Lawyer that was accused of child abuse, He lost everything including his house, car, business, but was proven in court that DOCS got it wrong.
He might have to wait 20 years (DOCS and Government stalling tactics)to sue the Government but is doing it!!!! Good on you mate! I wouldn't settle for anything under 10 million dollars as this is the only way the Government will listen.
If anyone has time do a GOOGLE and find this lawyer that is going to grind the Government for the crimes that its uncontrollable Government Department has done.
As found on the ABC web site.

YOU TELL ME ALL THAT ARE READING THIS, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOUR FAMILY!!


Do you notice all the things I have been complaining about are in this article.


ELEANOR HALL: Now to Queensland and the damaging bungle by the State's Child Safety Department, which wrongly separated a mother from her children for more than a year.

The Brisbane mother lost custody of her two boys because her case file was mixed up with a drug-abusing, mentally ill woman.

The Minister for Child Safety has apologised for the mistake, but as Dea Clark reports, child advocates say it's evidence there are major problems with child protection in Queensland.

DEA CLARK: In May last year, Federal Police removed the children from their classroom and took them to a police station where they were handed over to the woman's former partner.

According to a report in The Australian newspaper, the police were acting on information supplied to them by Queensland's Child Safety Department.

Legal Aid officers refused to grant the mother assistance to fight her case in the Federal Court because they said it was unwinnable after viewing her Department file.

But the Minister for Child Safety, Mike Reynolds, says the removal of the children had nothing to do with his Department.

MIKE REYNOLDS: It is therefore wrong to link the filing error with the custody decision and subsequent actions taken by the Family Court.

Neither the original Family Court decision, I'll say that again, neither the original Family Court decision, nor the police execution of the recovery order was based on any information from the Department of Child Safety.

DEA CLARK: What's not disputed is that information contained in the woman's case file related to another Brisbane mother with a different name.

The distraught 35-year-old, who can't be named for legal reasons, only discovered the error after filing a freedom of information application.

The Child Safety Department's Minister, Mike Reynolds, concedes it was a terrible mistake.

MIKE REYNOLDS: This family, can I say first of all, has been subjected to unnecessary distress, and these circumstances are totally unacceptable. As Minister for Child Safety I apologise to those who have been affected and for any anguish this may have caused.

DEA CLARK: The woman's file contained information identifying her as having a psychiatric illness and a history of drug and alcohol abuse.

The error was discovered two weeks ago when the woman read her file, just three weeks before her custody case was to go to court.

MIKE REYNOLDS: Given the pending Family Court trial date, it was decided that immediate action was required to inform all relevant parties of the error pertaining to the linked file. Letters were prepared post haste and sent to the relevant parties, including the client's solicitor and the registrar of the family court. The record was set straight as quickly as possible to ensure that the court was dealing with the absolute facts of the matter.

DEA CLARK: But according to child advocate, Hetty Johnson, the damage has already been done.

HETTY JOHSON: They were dragged out of school apparently, I mean that's just embarrassing, it's humiliating.

DEA CLARK: The Department says the mistake was human error and occurred because the women have similar surnames and birth dates.

Hetty Johnson says despite a damning Crime and Misconduct Commission report into child protection and an overhaul of the Department overseeing child safety, there are still major problems.

HETTY JOHSON: I don't think the Government's woes with the Department of Child Safety are over, despite all the rhetoric. I think we're going to have a few more problems poke their head up in the not-too-distant future unless this Government puts the focus just as equally back to child protection, and as it is on health, and let's get this right.

DEA CLARK: Mike Reynolds says the information was incorrectly put into the file fours years ago, well before the Department's overhaul, but even so he's ordered an urgent investigation.

ELEANOR HALL: Dea Clark reporting from Brisbane.

Thanks to whoever sent me this ABC Story.
Posted By: musicman Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 21 Sep 2008 09:35:PM
The other forums are dead so i will post something in this one.
I see that Queensland has a Child abduction alert system where if a child is abducted the Authorities can broadcast it over the airways.
I find this a very good idea as you never know what could happen to our kids today and a simple call could save them and send the perpetrator to justice.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 21 Sep 2008 10:09:PM
The only thing I agree the Government doing that's right, thoughful and considerate for children for a change - but that's it! I wonder if parents can use it when Dchs take our children, they're being abducted!?

Posted By: Michelle Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 21 Sep 2008 11:28:PM
Originally Posted by musicman
The other forums are dead so i will post something in this one.
I see that Queensland has a Child abduction alert system where if a child is abducted the Authorities can broadcast it over the airways.
I find this a very good idea as you never know what could happen to our kids today and a simple call could save them and send the perpetrator to justice.


Sorry to say this but our children are being abducted from our schools every day by child safety and they get away with it, and as for the bit about justice what justice they break the same laws that others would be charged with.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 22 Sep 2008 11:53:AM
Originally Posted by musicman
The other forums are dead so i will post something in this one.
I see that Queensland has a Child abduction alert system where if a child is abducted the Authorities can broadcast it over the airways.
I find this a very good idea as you never know what could happen to our kids today and a simple call could save them and send the perpetrator to justice.


I would take a bet that child safety are exempt from this as it seems they do steal a lot of kids from school and the parents don't even know about it and some never get to see them again.


For years I fought the CSA (Child Support Agency) about paying child maintenance for a child that wasn't even mine but I suspected that they were going to be the most hated department but by reading whats been going on with this child safety on this site plus others they defiantly now win the prize.
I hate gov please start your poll on who is the worst office in QLD, I'm a local up North Brisbane I'll just vote for the closest office.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 22 Sep 2008 08:02:PM
Get this for a classic from Child Support, estranged hubby pays maintenance for a child to a previous relationship but noticed that the year of birth for this child was stated wrong...it was a year after the child was born '92' but he'd been paying since the year the child was born '91' and therefore made a complaint. He gets a call today saying he has to proove the child was born in 1991 not 92 with a birth certificate which he can't retrieve due to not being on the birth certificate but still has to pay maintenance and now for another extra year b/c this sheila is lying and getting away with it. He wasn't even with her in 91 to have a child with her in 92 since the child was born in Jan 91.

Now doesn't that take the cake!
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
Get this for a classic from Child Support, estranged hubby pays maintenance for a child to a previous relationship but noticed that the year of birth for this child was stated wrong...it was a year after the child was born '92' but he'd been paying since the year the child was born '91' and therefore made a complaint. He gets a call today saying he has to proove the child was born in 1991 not 92 with a birth certificate which he can't retrieve due to not being on the birth certificate but still has to pay maintenance and now for another extra year b/c this sheila is lying and getting away with it. He wasn't even with her in 91 to have a child with her in 92 since the child was born in Jan 91.

Now doesn't that take the cake!


What a great mob we have here in QLD. We have JAB (Juvenile Aid Bureau), THE DOCS POLICE that are scared shitless of the Department of Child Safety and their bullies and it is well known that DOCS put pressure on JAB to unnecessary charge a person only because DOCS said so, and we have another mob of gangsters called CSA the Child Support Agency and these three Departments kiss each others arses when in need to bring the downfall of anyone that has the misfortune in dealing with them.

JUST A REMINDER
AGAIN ALL!!!!! YOU MUST KNOW YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS IF THESE GOONS EVER KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR.
Please get a current LAW book as you never now you might need it as it could be the best investment you ever make.
And Please don't tell me this will not happen to you because I am talking through experience. I was baffled with POLICE bullshit and was conned because I did not know my rights!!
Originally Posted by Michelle
Originally Posted by musicman
The other forums are dead so i will post something in this one.
I see that Queensland has a Child abduction alert system where if a child is abducted the Authorities can broadcast it over the airways.
I find this a very good idea as you never know what could happen to our kids today and a simple call could save them and send the perpetrator to justice.


Sorry to say this but our children are being abducted from our schools every day by child safety and they get away with it, and as for the bit about justice what justice they break the same laws that others would be charged with.


You hit the nail on the head.
DOCS are the biggest Child stealer in QLD, and they are exempt from the Criminal code "363 (Child–stealing), 363A (Abduction of child under 16), 364 (Cruelty to children under 16), They have a 007 Licence to do what they fucking want.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 22 Sep 2008 09:18:PM
We'll see about that, now where were those sections from? What act?

PM sent!
I can see what will happen one day, DOCS will stuff up big time and like usual the DOCS shredders will be working overtime getting rid of the evidence but this time the stench will be severe as the media will catch onto it and like usual DOCS will say there are very few complaints against DOCS. Yes we make the odd mistake here and there but guess what DOCS I'M HERE and so are others and this is just one of the sites related to abused people from the liars from DOCS.

Time for Home and Away on Channel 7 and what do you see on it, DOCS and fucking Currupt cops!! You cant even watch TV without stinking DOCS and Police Corruption spoiling your evening viewing.
Posted By: Julie Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 23 Sep 2008 11:49:AM
The Department does do mistakes. Look at the case last week where a young child was sent to his father in W.A. where the father was nothing but a loser and a convicted armed robber who had served time.

If I was a supervisor of that office, I would have never allowed that innocent child to be sent back to a thug like that.
Originally Posted by Julie
The Department does do mistakes. Look at the case last week where a young child was sent to his father in W.A. where the father was nothing but a loser and a convicted armed robber who had served time.

If I was a supervisor of that office, I would have never allowed that innocent child to be sent back to a thug like that.

Yes Julie the Department of Child Safety like others does make genuine mistakes but I am not concerned about the genuine mistakes. I am concerned about the way they go out of there way in LYING only to inflame a situating further than what it is.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME, THEY FUCKING LIE!.
That guy you are talking about might be a convicted armed robber but at the same time he still could be a good Father.
Just look at our great NRL players always on the front page of the papers for the wrong reasons. Now tell me does that make them poor Fathers.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 23 Sep 2008 09:48:PM
Originally Posted by Julie


If I was a supervisor of that office, I would have never allowed that innocent child to be sent back to a thug like that.


R U still trawling the net? You as a supervisor? you have to be joking as all men would be guilty even before a notification goes in. I'm starting to think you worked for the CSA because you certainly sound like it.
If you miss out at DoCHS why don't you try to become a screw.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 24 Sep 2008 03:47:PM
Originally Posted by Julie


If I was a supervisor of that office,

You need to be found out who you're and action taken to make sure that types like you never work in a position like Child Safety.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 24 Sep 2008 03:55:PM
Crow
This is the reason why types like her should never be employed in these positions.
But unfortunately these type of people like her are attracted to positions of power like what can be found in Child Safety.
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by Julie


If I was a supervisor of that office,

You need to be found out who you're and action taken to make sure that types like you never work in a position like Child Safety.

The trollop is using a proxy server
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 24 Sep 2008 08:34:PM
What's a proxy server? Can't be traced? See covering up already...she got being a CSO down pat already and she hasn't even started!
Originally Posted by ew_289
Crow
This is the reason why types like her should never be employed in these positions.
But unfortunately these type of people like her are attracted to positions of power like what can be found in Child Safety.


Forget want to be Julie the future DOCS worker its the ones already there that are the worry.
WHY IN THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I'M HERE AND TRYING TO SPREAD THE WORD! I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN SIT IN FRONT OF A KEYBOARD trying to wake up the sleeping blind naive public that have not got a clue how dirty and vicious this Department of Child Safety LIARS are.
I will say it again and again, One day DOCS will stuff up big time but like they always do they cover their tracks very quickly and like the XFILES they deny everything, they say we never knew that has happened before, Sorry (I will remove the word Sorry as they never say sorry) Its the first time we have heard of this before but the next time you will not get away with it DOCS you and your fucking lies.
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
What's a proxy server? Can't be traced? See covering up already...she got being a CSO down pat already and she hasn't even started!


Yes a good trick bouncing off over 250 server all over the world.
try getting a court order for the 250, you have a better chance of flying to Mars but this is normal for trouble makers these days using proxy servers.
Who knows Julie might even be a cop parked at Robina.
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
What's a proxy server? Can't be traced? See covering up already...she got being a CSO down pat already and she hasn't even started!


LovingMyKids
I don't care about Julie, you and I know that The Department of Child Safety is full of Julie's
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 24 Sep 2008 09:44:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289
Crow
This is the reason why types like her should never be employed in these positions.
But unfortunately these type of people like her are attracted to positions of power like what can be found in Child Safety.

I agree but as I hate Gov said that DoCHS is full of them and one more will not make a difference.
Crow
I am patient, I am waiting for the right moment to pounce, I will get my legal revenge one day don't worry, its only a matter of time and the domino effect will happen.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 01:27:AM
Hello to my allies,

This is the first time I have posted something here. I too have horror stories about this Department.
Let's bring on the justice. At present this department are running rampant. Something is quite toxic and wrong in our society today if this can continue to operate in this manner.
And re: Julie - I think it was just someone taking the piss. No person could seriously believe what she said. I sit opposite and ex CSO who left due to the unethical practices.
Any self respecting person would be ashamed to have 'CSO Department of Child Safety' on their C.V.
Will talk to you all some more - in fact I can't shut up about this department. I am not scared of them.
I want to shout it from the roof tops about how wrong wrong wrong they are.
Lie, corruption, deceit, mistruths -
There is nothing safe about the Department of Child Safety.
No child is safe from the Department of Child Safety.
DOCS = Danger.

Bye for now but not forever!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 12:18:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood


Bye for now but not forever!


PLEASE COME BACK AND BRING YOUR BUDDIES WITH YOU. THE MORE THE BETTER!

You are right about Julie, I treat her like a fart in a jar. Till today we have had over a hundred people join this forum where I suspect they are DOCS related. The reason why I know this is most that have joined use any typical display name but after they have joined say weeks or months later, change their display name which has to be approved by the administration and I have a giggle when they have to be approved because they definitely smell DOCS related. As you know anyone that ever has anything to do with DOCS has been intimidated by them, they threaten you that if you cause trouble we will take your children off you, as was the case with us. Most are scared to even say boo against the department, again retaliations by the department if you do, but I am not one of them. They started it and I am going to fucking finish it and I want other people that have been abused by this destructive government department to join me here, to join others on other forums or internet sites that have the guts to stand up to them. I wrote a story about corrupt police officers speeding past a speed cameras after I spotted a story on Channel Nine news and the dirty tactics they use to get out of being booked, I will find the link and I will post it down the bottom for all to read. Now, this attracted channel nines attention, channel nine sent me an email, I spoke to channel nine as they rang me and we had a good conversation over the phone, but at the same time, the attention was "What is this most hated government department". The media are looking, the media always look for stories and I want to see the Department of Child Safety, this time wiggle their way out of a situation saying we knew nothing about our problems, nobody told us that our CSO's lie. How are they going to deny this, when the shit hits the fan again one day, the media will be coming to this site and others and ask the department, well its been going on for years, your unethical methods and lies.

When DOCS tried to intimidate my wife that was the end for me. These bunch of gangsters are never going to get away with this, I will be here till the day I die and my children are starting to get older and are allowed to use the internet and they will also have their say to what the Department of Child Safety did to them. I encourage all that have joined but have not posted and maybe are scared to post at least poll when I start my poll. I will make up a beautiful poll on this site, I will possibly pick up to 24 offices in Queensland and all you will have to do is put a dot in the box of the most hated government department office in Queensland. It would be good to see who gets the number one rating. I will only be allowing members unfortunately to poll. Unfortunately if you allow non members to poll you are going to get the idiot factor. So thisisgood, go get your buddies and come back.

Typical Police Corruption, Read link below.
http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=35837#Post35837
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 12:31:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
I sit opposite and ex CSO who left due to the unethical practices.

I would get on my hands and knees on glass to get her to join and tell us and the public some of these stories.
The Public need to know, The Media need to read. superhappy
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 12:45:PM

I actually drove pass our local DOCS office the other day and spotted a queue of people waiting outside, Now this is not the first time I have spotted this and I just wonder if those people know they're entering the TEMPLE OF DOOM where some CSO'S are WHORES FROM HELL.
What we need to do is stand outside the Temple Of Doom handing out fliers with links to this site and another warning them what will happen if you enter this snake pit.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 02:35:PM
Hello my Allies,


Give me about a week as I am on holidays and will have to do this when I get back to work.
Cheers,
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 05:29:PM
Its good to see more and more joining the forum everyday to expose what has been happening here in Qld.
I hate gov department, my bro has passed this link to other lawyers that he knows. He said to tell your mate you have balls and one day he hopes you will get your vengeance but please don't make DoCHS too honest as most Lawyers will start hurting in their pockets through lack of business.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 05:47:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

they're entering the TEMPLE OF DOOM where some CSO'S are WHORES FROM HELL, if you enter this snake pit.


You defiantly have a way with words.
Please start the poll, please start the poll, please start the poll.I can't wait!. l_sabre
Posted By: THE ADMIN Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 06:20:PM
I have been doing some reading on this thread for a long time as some of the other forums on this site are just about dead and what I read here does raise some concern.
Last week I noticed police cars across the road I had one look and didn't bother to look again but this morning the wife spoke to the lady that belong to that house and she told me that Child Safety and the Police not in uniform knocked on the door and minutes latter the fly screen door was kicked in and the lot charged into a house to arrest a 19 year old man that lives there suspected of Child abuse.
The only problem is there is no 19 year old man that lives in that house as they only have two daughters.
All I know for the moment is that the police went along their business like if something happened but at the end of the day it was a false report that bought the Police to the door.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 08:53:PM
Originally Posted by THE ADMIN
I have been doing some reading on this thread for a long time as some of the other forums on this site are just about dead and what I read here does raise some concern.
Last week I noticed police cars across the road I had one look and didn't bother to look again but this morning the wife spoke to the lady that belong to that house and she told me that Child Safety and the Police not in uniform knocked on the door and minutes latter the fly screen door was kicked in and the lot charged into a house to arrest a 19 year old man that lives there suspected of Child abuse.
The only problem is there is no 19 year old man that lives in that house as they only have two daughters.
All I know for the moment is that the police went along their business like if something happened but at the end of the day it was a false report that bought the Police to the door.


Typical!
I bet they never apologize, I bet whilst there they will try to find anything that they can to justify the unwanted raid.
Did the forcefully open the door? How old were the Children?
Please give me more info if possible.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 08:55:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello my Allies,

Yes, I will get some of the stories from the ex CSo and will post them on this so you can read.
I will not fabricate or change in any way.
Promise. Give me about a week as I am on holidays and will have to do this when I get back to work.
Cheers,
The caring sharing community health nurse.


Good to see you back and I hope to hear from you soon. superhappy
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 09:03:PM
Good to see AltNews up and running with a new look
and its more friendlier to use. One day I would like to shake his hand as his site gave me the inspiration to start this on aus-city.
http://forums.altnews.com.au/
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 09:12:PM
Hello,

Like "I hate gov dept" I too have been waiting for my right moment.
Currently am gathering information, obtaining FOI files, and awaiting outcome of independent investigation into my case that seems to have taken most of this year! I just rang before and apparently the outcome of the independent review is now sitting on the zonal director's desk. A response from all this is coming.
At this point in time of my life I am on a mission to get all my facts correct and then sceam it out from the roof tops about our experience with this department.I have a plan. I am serious.
I am concerned thought that other people disgruntled by the department are not proceding through the correct complaints channels. Don't just whinge - do something and get proactive for God's sake!!
Especially once the bullshit ordeal is over (when the court cases are over and DOCs drop you and your family like a hot cake!).
Don't be scared, get up and start your fight, find your allies, find your voice and make a plan of action.
You who have been wronged by this department now OWE yourself, OWE your family and OWE the people of Queensland to learn the truth. You can make a change - this happened to you for a reason and it is now your responsibility to act on what you know. Don't lie down and die get up and fight!
If you don't know what to do next write back here and ask who to send what to!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 09:36:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

Like "I hate gov dept" I too have been waiting for my right moment.
Currently am gathering information, obtaining FOI files, and awaiting outcome of independent investigation into my case that seems to have taken most of this year! I just rang before and apparently the outcome of the independent review is now sitting on the zonal director's desk. A response from all this is coming.
At this point in time of my life I am on a mission to get all my facts correct and then sceam it out from the roof tops about our experience with this department.I have a plan. I am serious.
I am concerned thought that other people disgruntled by the department are not proceding through the correct complaints channels. Don't just whinge - do something and get proactive for God's sake!!
Especially once the bullshit ordeal is over (when the court cases are over and DOCs drop you and your family like a hot cake!).
Don't be scared, get up and start your fight, find your allies, find your voice and make a plan of action.
You who have been wronged by this department now OWE yourself, OWE your family and OWE the people of Queensland to learn the truth. You can make a change - this happened to you for a reason and it is now your responsibility to act on what you know. Don't lie down and die get up and fight!
If you don't know what to do next write back here and ask who to send what to!


You sound exactly like me because I done exactly what you have done.
We have not smelt DOCS for over 3 years and all I'm waiting for is my day in court and if everything goes well the first thing I will be doing the next morning is contact the CMC.
I have all my facts CORRECTLY in order, I have all my evidence in order I have two independent professional also helping me (not Lawyer) Plus I do have my Solicitor + Barrister which have a job to do then its WAR!!!!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 09:43:PM
I would like to say more but I will refrain myself but trust me I have possibly spent over 2000hrs in the last 3 years doing my homework and i'm still doing it today and will be doing more in the next few weeks with others to prove to them what DOCS did.
They are never going to get away with this. One thing at a time, I'm patient you know. I'm counting the days one by one.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 09:50:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Good to see AltNews up and running with a new look
and its more friendlier to use. One day I would like to shake his hand as his site gave me the inspiration to start this on aus-city.
http://forums.altnews.com.au/


Go to AltNews and use the SEARCH function on AltNews and type in DOCS and be prepared to read for the next week or so.
Haaaa I love it, all we need now is other sites to POP up and it will be interesting.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 25 Sep 2008 09:54:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood


obtaining FOI files,


THE ABOVE IS A MUST
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 26 Sep 2008 02:54:AM
Hello I hate gov dept,

This has to be getting exciting! I am so excited for you. Are you paving the way out there for all to follow? It has to be for the children taken for being deemed at risk, yet no actual abuse occurs?! Yeah?!

But the whole system needs an overhaul. They should be doing preventative measures first, not this snatch and grab thing and Then let's take you to hell and back through court cases and make you out to be the most evil parent ever. Let's see you suffer afterwards and hey fuck those snotty nosed brats of yours, we don't give a shit about the kids really, we just pretend we do.
Gosh, most parents are feeling guilty anyway for one thing or another. MOTHERGUILT - there are even books written on this subject.

I have just jammed out another letter. Do you have an email address? I would like to send you a copy direct.
Now I need to send it off to all the other channels but gee who should i send it off to again -

zonal office
central complaints office
branch manager
the Minister for Child safety
Premier
Opposition - Jan Stucky
CMC
ombudsman
Children's commission


and who else??? do you recommend??

Yep, I've got nothing to hide and I intend to scream it out.

I believe you can't understand much from these FOI files as the photocopying is pretty unclear - what has been your experience?

I need to be careful that I don't spill my guts (so to speak) with what I write here.
One of my colleagues have wondered if DOCS could fudge up their reports/ files. She is a professional and nothing like having some healthy paranoia, is there ?!!

So do you have a court case booked for this event? Is it a criminal matter? It wouldn't be a closed court would it then? Are you inviting media?
I have looked into ways I can take DOCS to court.
Terry O'Gorman said to think long and hard about taking a government body to court. My friend was a whistle blower on Q'ld health and came off badly even though they were in the right.
So you obviously can't be taking the government to court so you must be taking actual CSO or team leaders to court for misconduct??
Come on - give me a hint.
I have documented meticulously throughout the whole thing.
At this point in time I am willing to spend the rest of my spare time for the remainder of my life exposing DOCS and this corruption.
The next state election is a really good time to strike.
I used to be politically active once in another area of interest, but lobbying government is way different to fighting them about injustices!

I am not afraid of DOCS and their games.
Someone could easily put in a notification now on me now that I already have come to their attention so of course DOCS would come running to snatch and grab and persecute all the more faster. I am aware of this.
Looking back I don't think my solicitor did enough for us, I can see holes in what was prepared and how it was fought. Apparently I had the best criminal lawyers on the coast but she was young. Nice girl but not bitey enough. I didn't know anything about law stuff back then, I am only a little bit more aware now, for the need to be aggressive. When I initially rang around lots of solicitors said they weren't interested in dealing with a child safety matter. You shouldn't stay loyal to your solicitor I've learnt!
So initially I was angry, bewildered and really doubted myself, I was shocked that a democratic government could operate like this and hide behind 'child safety' and fool the masses. Only this happened to me otherwise I think I would have trouble believing it all myself.
Anyway, I didn't trust anyone and felt like someone was going to burst through my back door and get me - still a bit scared this way actually. I had terrible dreams - all that PTSD symptomatology. But somehow you resolve that within yourself over time and move on. I am not so emotionally involved and am able to separate my feelings from what needs to be done. I think clearer. I can laugh about my whole experience but I do not laugh about the reverse abuse my child experiences at the fate of the decisions of DOCS.
I recover but not fair for this to be inflicted upon children. How can we as a community say they are most precious and then allow this system to remain in place?

But now I am ready to stand up for justice, not just about my scenario but for the people.

Someone told me to move all my evidence off site here and so I have. I have some of the most damning stuff on tape by the then CSO, it is clearly her voice.

I owe this to myself, my child and to the people of queensland. I told a DOCS worker that when I was ringing up to gather more information and she started to get upset with me and tell me that I shouldn't paste it on the internet, etc. Stupid girl she was so young and inexperienced, she should have said something like that is your choice how to deal with your experience, you would need to consider all consequences etc. Dumb government puppet, she was.
Most people are like sheep and just follow, a lot of these dumb young government slaves do this. the team leader says this so they just follow. the ones that leave are the ones that question the ethics and practices. Once the workers open their eyes they realise somethings amiss. Some must stay thinking they can make a change. I know when I was young and out of uni I would have done the same and blindly followed. I am very much a different person from how I might have been once.
Anyway it is late and I am rambling.

Keep up the good work. And give me some hints about set dates? Criminal court? (Lame)Media involved?

A TV presenter person in my life told me that all those ambulance chaser shows hears lots of stuff/ complaints about DOCS so go away. ha ha.
I was basically told a few times from a few angles that you've been screwed by the government so go back under your rock and go back to sleep.
I don't think I could live with myself if I did that - and besides what's the worst thing that can happen to me? Get killed for a cause. Bit extreme but that would be the most extreme.
Set up - loose my house, loose my job, land up in jail, or something worse.
Well it would be a good cause wouldn't it? Then I could do a schapelle and write a book from jail. So your message would still get out there somehow.

And that Julie thing was just a complete wind up. I rang the department myself to ask if it is really the case that all notification now result in a child being taken off and placed in care and investigation follows. The answer was NO and that children are only taken if necessary (that bit is not true from where I sit in the world).
But don't react to the Julie's who are just out to incite. NOt worth the energy, find out your facts first.
Good night smile
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 26 Sep 2008 11:16:AM
Good post thisisgood and very well said. I cannot believe the amount of anger that some have against Child Safety. Last night I sat back watching the footie and done a bit of scratching on companies the Police, the RTA and other fuckwits that have upset my life but not to the point where people become dedicated in getting this Child Safety. I am not a perfect parent as nobody is but my concerns are if you mix it with this Child Safety especially if its a false allegation and it gets out of control, your life can be ruined. You lose your job, as I have been told somehow or other the Department of child safety find themselves ringing your employer, after you lose your job you lose your house, because you can't pay for it, you lose your children and the rest and later its proven thats its just a false allegation, you wonder why you guys have flipped your lids and are hell bent on getting this department.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 26 Sep 2008 02:11:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I have just jammed out another letter. Do you have an email address? I would like to send you a copy direct.

Just PM it to me thanks

Originally Posted by thisisgood


zonal office
central complaints office
branch manager
the Minister for Child safety
Premier
Opposition - Jan Stucky
CMC
ombudsman
Children's commission


You can add the Attorney general to that list and he is useless, I will select some on that list mainly the Ombudsman

Originally Posted by thisisgood



I believe you can't understand much from these FOI files as the photocopying is pretty unclear - what has been your experience?

Mine were ok clear wise but as you know there are bits and pieces missing everywhere. Also get you Solicitor to Subpoena the same files to see if your F.O.I are different than the Subpoenaed version.
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I need to be careful that I don't spill my guts (so to speak) with what I write here.

Same here

Originally Posted by thisisgood


I have looked into ways I can take DOCS to court.
Terry O'Gorman said to think long and hard about taking a government body to court. My friend was a whistle blower on Q'ld health and came off badly even though they were in the right.


I have high regards for Terry O'Gorman. When this all started I rang his office and spoke to Leon Ackermann, He warned me about DOCS but I didn't listen. At that time I didn't have the funds available to use them.
Originally Posted by thisisgood

So you obviously can't be taking the government to court so you must be taking actual CSO or team leaders to court for misconduct??

Come on - give me a hint.


No Comment!

Originally Posted by thisisgood

Keep up the good work. And give me some hints about set dates? Criminal court? (Lame)Media involved?

HaHa I am + my Legal team Plus the JAB and DOCS know this.

Originally Posted by thisisgood


And that Julie thing was just a complete wind up. I rang the department myself to ask if it is really the case that all notification now result in a child being taken off and placed in care and investigation follows. The answer was NO and that children are only taken if necessary (that bit is not true from where I sit in the world).

As you know they always try to intimidate you and will always try anything to upset you and this is where their lying starts.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 26 Sep 2008 02:23:PM
Originally Posted by jaremt
Good post thisisgood
I cannot believe the amount of anger that some have against Child Safety.


You might live in NSW but NSW also has the same Disease and if it happened to you, you also will become an animal like the rest of us.
I was shocked the way the CSO lied and I can prove it in many ways (not telling here) Is she so fucking stupid doing this knowing it could come back and haunt her. mad mad mad mad mad
Posted By: George H Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 26 Sep 2008 08:00:PM


what i have been reading here sounds like a novel from a horror story. i would like to know how can this be happening in australia as this is a beautiful country. how do i know you people are not trouble makers making this up as i cannot believe this sort of thing is happening in this lovely country.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 26 Sep 2008 11:00:PM
Lovely country, not so lovely government! That's the problem George.

What is written here is true, not overboard but Dchs will make out it is with mental illness overtones as was the case for me and I've never been diagnosed with anything but unfortunately pregnancy...it was fortunate at the time, but they are suffering now b/c of so-called risk of harm...no actual harm, risk that it could have happened and even then they had to trump up more issues b/c the original 'risk of harm' wouldn't stick for taking my children.

Hi ThisisGood, xclent u made friends with an ex CSO, very fortunate.

As for getting the word out there I did with letters, phone calls etc...and saw my kids pay even more with being separated from one another in different placements, outrageous claims of diagnostics of ADHD, add etc...b/c the kids reacted to being separated from us and each other as well as them being utterly confused b/c they don't know anything, why, how or when. The more I've complained the more my children suffered and so did my contact being denied...

Now we won our case in court, they never got their order BUT they pulling woolies now through the reunification! Oh I'm going to fight alright but they have channeled my complaints to one section where I am ignored below and at the top with them forwarding all to one section including the Complaints review unit...I will have no choice but to go to the media soon for the sake of my children's actual lives since one of them is becoming suicidal and Dept don't care...

Please George and any other normal person out there reading, this is really happening and is happening to alot of parents who are too scared to open their mouths b/c of the repurcussions coming out from it with contact being reduced or denied, kids being moved placements up to 6 times in a month if not more...separated from one another if there's more than 1, and the straight out lies, they don't even bother hiding them in my case, and in court, perjuring like there's no tomorrow and gutless lawyers know it and say nothing...

Yeh well I've had my say...I'll keep having my say for the Julie's reading and no one and nothing will shut me up or keep me quiet, not even a body bag, because the words will be at a publisher's the minute that happens -

Yes I don't keep anything on site - oh and some other advice for parents, the Children's commission is a farce, do nothing, gather info for Dchs so Dchs can rectify their stories and records...they're in it together don't you worry about that.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 10:56:AM
Originally Posted by George H


what i have been reading here sounds like a novel from a horror story. i would like to know how can this be happening in australia as this is a beautiful country. how do i know you people are not trouble makers making this up as i cannot believe this sort of thing is happening in this lovely country.


George

Please do some research and come back because what's written above for all these poor people has been happening. Just do a google and read and come back and listen to people like LovingMyKids and others because this is whats happening.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 05:51:PM
Originally Posted by George H


what i have been reading here sounds like a novel from a horror story.


Horror story indeed its not a novel its fact.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 06:00:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids


As for getting the word out there I did with letters, phone calls etc...and saw my kids pay even more with being separated from one another in different placements, outrageous claims of diagnostics of ADHD, add etc...b/c the kids reacted to being separated from us and each other as well as them being utterly confused b/c they don't know anything, why, how or when. The more I've complained the more my children suffered and so did my contact being denied...


Its called retaliation and they're punishing your children because you stood up to them.
I would like to ask has anyone over approached the media regarding these matters?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 08:28:PM
Originally Posted by George H


what i have been reading here sounds like a novel from a horror story. i would like to know how can this be happening in australia as this is a beautiful country. how do i know you people are not trouble makers making this up as i cannot believe this sort of thing is happening in this lovely country.


George
By reading your profile telling me you are retired and possibly if George is your real name you are from an ethnic origin and you are over 60.
If the above is true back in your days you would have had Honestly, Integrity, Loyalty, and many other values in life but as you might suspect all of the above are thrown out of the window today as all you have today is arrogance, mistrust of each other, no loyalty, and a human race bent on destroying each other.
Abuse of each other has been around for thousands of years but the only thing that has changed lately is someone is making money out of all this.
See Its very simple Australia is a large country with a very small population, we produce just about nothing anymore so if this is the case which it is, how do we keep the employment? Easy manufacture bullshit Employment. Do you know Australia has nearly the highest amount of Social Workers and counsellors in the World. These days even if you FART at work you need to be COUNSELLED by some fuckwit that earns over 70k a year. Do you know many years ago the state Government (won't say which one and what Government dept for reasons) had say 20 tradesmen for one supervisor, approximately 100 (say 5 gangs) tradesmen for a senior Supervisor but when I left because I was disgusted years later we had an average of 9 tradesman per Supervisor, each Supervisor had an assistant and a secretary and we had at least 6 senior supervisors and they reduced the tradesmen down to less than 60.
It was a job for the boys! Do you know the mentality they had? well this is it! We have no problem yes we know that, yes we know so lets generate the problem so we can justify the employment. and that just about sums it up, more fucking Chiefs than Indians.
Now you might ask what has this got to do with DOCS well its similar, Child abuse has been around for thousands of years and all I can see is a Government spending multi millions on employing more JAB Cops, counsellors, social workers, hangers on where most of them are not suited to the job all trying to justify their positions and all they do is generate tonnes of paperwork and at the end of the day nothing is done.
Yes I agree some parents don't deserve to have or keep their kids but this heavily employed and getting larger by the day Government Department like the SUPERVISORS ABOVE have to justify their employment at any means and do this at the expense of our families.
Look at LovingMyKids above, She complains they the Dept Of Child Safety retaliate by making it more difficult for her to get her kids back. Now tell me is this fair? Is this ethical?
No as this would probably not happen back in your days.
Like others have said, please do a search on the internet and you will see stories left right and centre to whats been happening to our children in this country, now of all the child abuse cases investigated, you can't tell me that every one of them are true and there are no false allegations going in for vindictive reasons from a family member, from a nosey neighbour and then once DOCS takes up the matter and if you rub them up the wrong way, which most would do when they come with an entourage of people, counsellors, social workers, cops, you name it and then they accuse you and you retaliate by telling them whatever and DOCS staff start a vendetta on you by turning nothing into something, sorry to say, no this is not on. This is very important for all on these public forums, do not trust anyone, for all these government departments which are out there to help you and to protect you from DOCS, they are all useless as DOCS will retaliate as soon as you employ them and at the end of the day the state government pays their wages and it is a total waste of time and as one member has PM'd me why don't you go to the media? That has to be the most total waste of time, reason, 99% of the time they won't take the stories on for many reasons including legal, so sorry to say folks, if you are stuck in one of these sticky situations, you are on your own. Its guerilla warfare.
Going back to my bottle now, its Sunday.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 08:56:PM
Hello,

Yes, I did all the official complaints AFTER it was all dropped.
During the saga I smelt a rat and started to ring other offices to find out answers. I rang official offices along with other service centres to find out my facts.
Also after I noticed my child to be quite starving during my one only weekly access visit (child was 3.5 years old and ate solidly for 45minutes as soon as we arrived to the community hall at 10am) I tried to ring my CSO dealing with my case who of course was not available. In the end I rang the after hours line and stated that I felt my child was being NEGLECTED whilst in foster care.
A few days later the CSO rang my mother and said something to the effect that 'I was going to make things difficult for myself by ringing around and complaining and that she had to go and investigate the foster home after I lodged a complaint' to the afterhours line.
So basically the CSO was sending me an indirect threat.
Later I find out that my child ended up with bruising on his bottom that lasted 1 week - because he pooed his pants whilst in foster care and the foster father 'Andrew' did it. You should read my private journalling when I found out (maybe I should type it onto here for you all to read). It was all hushed up and when we found out the then CSO said to my mother she didn't have to tell me. I was given a new case worker who stated that she couldn't find this abuse whilst in foster care in the file! But some time later I received a letter stating that 'a breach has occurred'.
Yes, I should have made it more clear - I waited until the whole saga was over and then wrote out an (80 page) letter of complaint and sent it off to the various channels. That was 11 months ago that was sent off. The investigation is still going on apparently.

And as for the CMC, I don't think they do much. I rang up and found that most of these complaints are mostly referred back to the DOCS central complaints unit.
Dont' be fooled you can't win against this organisation.
But still having said this I do think you must meticulously document and gather your evidence. Because one day something is going to happen. Your chld needs a record of what happened and one day when they are adults/ grandparents there might be payback time. Like the aboriginal people and these children (aka the next stolen generation) might be given an official apology. Anyway I have a book now on all this (and then some more).

But I think you need to do the official complaints channels as mentioned here when the saga is over.
Then when you get no response as a lot of us do then we need to find a way to band together, and then the media will take notice. I am sure they are not interested at present.

And what was my heinous crime against my child?
I had fantasies about leaving him at a shopping centre and running off - catch a bus, plane and vanish. This was after conflict with the father. It was in the middle of the night and I rang the hospital to talk about it. They (put in a notification) said would you be ok if we sent the DOCS to see you. I said sure. as I had nothing to hide. I didn't know what DOCS was all about then - it was before mandatory reporting for nurses. So eventually I get back to sleep and wake up next day as usual and get on with it. Around mid morning DOCS arrived ( 2 young CSO woman) and talked to me and then said you need a rest - give us your child either you give him voluntarily or we take him involuntarily. I was confused, uhh ok. That was the beginning of it.
Later I am told by a CSO that 'thoughts are enough for us' - I have this on tape and am happy to play it to anyone who wishes to listen.
DOCS decided I had mental health issues and pushed it to the inth degree, I had to see a psychiatrist the whole time docs were involved. Eventually the psychiatrist wrote there is nothing wrong with her - no axis 1 or axis 11 diagnosis can be made and having her interact with her child on various occassion seems entirely normal.
So why do I have to see a psychiatrist the whole time docs are involved in our lives and then never again once they are finished with me. It was the CSO who stated 'we want you to see a psychiatrist for the rest of this year' - that was without any medical recommendation.
Remember I am actually a psychiatric nurse and was often in charge of the shifts during the whole time! Work that out - if my long time colleagues can't see anything wrong with me- who are professionals in the area of mental health, yet docs reckon I was mad.
Yep, I'm fucking mad alright at the way docs push people around and try and diagnose and dictate what's going on.
I did have post-natal depression but not whilst docs were involved in my life - I am the same as I was then as I am now. The ex CSO said that docs cannot take a child off a parent on the grounds of post natal depression.
The ex CSO is shocked when I told her the truth that docs took my child off me for a total of 7 months due to being what they classified as 'child being at risk'.
She said that the parent needs to be either incapable of looking after the child or unwilling to look after the child. She said the question is are they capable; are they willing. Now I realise why the CSO was writing such subject data into her court prepared papers as 'mother said to child sorry but I cannot look after you' (I never said that and anyway the CSO was not there at that time in the morning) and why they were trying out to say I was delusional when I dropped the child off to childcare that day. The day care mother was livid and wrote affidavit material to state that she never said I was paranoid. It was bizarre.
Remember I am the trained psych. nurse (past 15 years at the time - with lots of experience). Now that I talk to ex CSO I see what docs were trying to do, what sort of picture they were trying to paint.

Lots of stuff make sense to me now. It isn't about what's in the best interest of the child at all, but rather a legal game. Government against the little man. Power hungry people with their own agendas. Too much power given to the CSO.
There should be preventative measures first. There should be psych. trained nurses or Medical officers who accompany these CSO when on their rampages into your homes too.
I better shut up. I have too much to say and I could get in trouble with the government somehow. Like loose my nursing registration for being a big mouth. But that will just add to my book!
Talk to you some more....
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 09:23:PM
How much do CSO's get paid??
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 09:30:PM
Hello George,

Today I read your profile too. I too thought you must be retired out there at Albany Creek. I didn't necessarily think you would be of ethnic origin though. I think it is sweet that you are interesting in this forum. Good on you and God bless you!

Seriously consider if what we are placing on this forum is correct - I know there are 2 sides to every story. But why are so many people all talking about the same common themes.

A long term colleague who saw what happened to me said 'if they can take you child off you then they could take any child off anyone' - see even stated to the docs psychiatrist that she 'wished she was as together as I was when her chid was young' - of course the docs psychiatrist didn't write that into her report did she?

At my child's school I see a child who looks very neglected to me. Seriously rough. I am informed by my child that this kid is the naughty kid in the class too. DOCS aren't involved there, yet there is obvious neglect and poor parenting behind the scenes. I see other cases along this theme too but no docs involved there. So I asked why were docs involved in our lives yet I am the most pedantic mother around. Like I play Mozart as my child goes off to sleep - have since child was baby. Pedantic about getting right food into this child, pedantic about how much (uggh) TV is viewed. Pedantic about what I say in front of my child and aware of modellig behaviours. I have had this child enrolled into private GPS school well before DOCs were ever involved. My house is pretty clean and ordered. My child wants for nothing. (got the picture?) So why my child? A DOCS worker said because you brought the attention onto yourself by ringing. Even my sister said it was my fault that my child was abused whilst in foster care because I rang them!

So consequently I have wondered why don't docs take every child off every parent at birth. And presto then they could do their twisted investigation on eveyone, then there would be NO DISCRIMINATION ha ha ha. Imagine no child would live with their parents and the government could employ child catchers (like out of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang movie) that run up and down the streets and sweep the children off to remote large farms type orphanages where these big fat arsed bull dog dyke types dressed like sargeants could run run the show. No parents, no power just the government running large institutions for children.
At the moment because not all parents are scrutinised by docs there is a reverse discrimination. BRING IT ON - then there might be a mass outcry from the peoples.

OMG, maybe docs were right I really am mad aren't i?
Certainly twisted and jaded.

And by the way I am very much into helping the underdog.
It is unfortunate that some people have long term suffering from mental health issues (and I am not intentionaly taking the mickey out of these people). And having mental health issues is NO reason for docs to remove children from their homes.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 09:33:PM
Docs workers mostly social workers, psychologist with minimal qualification are on around 50,000 per annum. It goes up with years of experience.
Registered nurses are on around 66,000 per annum.
They aren't paid huge amounts. Most out of uni can get a job there, but will use this as a spring board to elsewhere. No many will stay and make careers out of being CSO/ Team Leader roles.
So these offices have an enormous turn over of staff.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 09:39:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
How much do CSO's get paid??


Too much what ever it is!.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 09:41:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Docs workers mostly social workers, psychologist with minimal qualification are on around 50,000 per annum. It goes up with years of experience.
Registered nurses are on around 66,000 per annum.
They aren't paid huge amounts. Most out of uni can get a job there, but will use this as a spring board to elsewhere. No many will stay and make careers out of being CSO/ Team Leader roles.
So these offices have an enormous turn over of staff.


But this is where the problem lies, Inexperienced kids just out of Uni controlling your lives.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 10:04:PM
Especially on top of their big annual wages, if they go into remote area's they also get $10,000 bonus every 6 months to help pay off the Hecs payments... or what ever they use it for!

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 10:12:PM
thisisgood,

I have gone through nothing compared to some of you guys and gals out there. We still have our three kids from day one, DOCS stole our kids from school and gave them back (my 8 year old was cornered at school and a tape recorder shoved in the child's face). DOCS & JAB visited me at my place, I stupidly let them into the house. They told me the complaint, and they pissed off but the fun started there with their lies mainly from DOCS and the JAB cop but I was charged so work that out.
Like I said before once my case is over and if all goes well the very next day WAR will be declared against DOCS and I will use whatever legal way to get my revenge on a DOCS worker (See I don't tell you what she was as that narrows it down, I don't want to give them any clues)
Not saying More !!!!!!!!!!!!! If what happened to you guys and gals happened to us well I don't and won't say more about how I would have reacted but I believe you must stand up for yourself if in your eyes and the laws eyes you are innocent.
Remember what I said earlier, DOCS operate outside the law and the cops know this and let them get away with it.

thisisgood,

A lot of what you say is very similar to what I have said before especially when it comes to the media.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 10:16:PM
Look at who is on line!! (at the moment ALL DOCS RELATED).
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 10:23:PM
Many times I have tried to go to the media, email, phoned, and no-one returned calls with one guy telling us that our story, even though tragic, won't be touched due to the legality issues of it and I presume also the many aspects of government dept's involved. Like I said previously, even the Children's commission work for the Dchs in some sly conniving, Russian spy aspect way...oooh getting too overboard maybe but that's how it feels...

i'm real sorry for your story thisisgood, your poor little boy...how disgusting! How scary and frustrating also...I would suggest anyone to get hold of a damn good tape recorder b/c it is legal to tape conversations that you are also a part of, it cannot be denied and also a video camera for meetings. If they don't want to be taped, how honest were they going to do things then?

It is not against the law or child safety practice manual to tape meetings with Dchs staff, they actually have a procedure of how to act if this is the case stating that it isn't illegal to do so...

Yes IHateGovnt Dchs love getting the kids at school, but they have to report that in a book also under section 17 of the Act to do so otherwise it is illegal and a libel offense...check it out!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 10:30:PM
What a JOKE!

All I ask for the Department of Child Safety Officer was to keep a open mind that the person that put the complaint in against me could be lying but NOOOOOO they don't do that because DOCS workers are the JUDGE,JURY and the EXECUTOR.
ALL I asked was a fair honest investigation but did you have to FUCKING LIE, yes MOLE LIE do you know what the work lie is NO I bet not!.
Again mole why did you LIE MOLE which made my problem 100 times worst than what it was, You Idiot I have the complete brief in order with recordings and it show you lied FULL FUCKING STOP.
Now tell me The Australian Public, If the two of us in a room in front of a camera gave our stories who would you believe?
I BET THE DOCS MOLE and not me.
But After your read the Police Brief, You read the Transcripts IN ORDER and listen to the tapes you will then know who the FUCKING LIAR IS.
It show you that you cannot judge a book by its cover.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 27 Sep 2008 10:44:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
Many times I have tried to go to the media, email, phoned, and no-one returned calls with one guy telling us that our story, even though tragic, won't be touched due to the legality issues of it and I presume also the many aspects of government dept's involved. Like I said previously, even the Children's commission work for the Dchs in some sly conniving, Russian spy aspect way...oooh getting too overboard maybe but that's how it feels...

i'm real sorry for your story thisisgood, your poor little boy...how disgusting! How scary and frustrating also...I would suggest anyone to get hold of a damn good tape recorder b/c it is legal to tape conversations that you are also a part of, it cannot be denied and also a video camera for meetings. If they don't want to be taped, how honest were they going to do things then?

It is not against the law or child safety practice manual to tape meetings with Dchs staff, they actually have a procedure of how to act if this is the case stating that it isn't illegal to do so...

Yes IHateGovnt Dchs love getting the kids at school, but they have to report that in a book also under section 17 of the Act to do so otherwise it is illegal and a libel offense...check it out!


See lovingMyKids the media are useless, all they want today are high profile scandals.I emailed the papers and never got a reply back from any of them and forget the current affair shows.
One day there will be a big scandal about DOCS and typical like the ACA's and Today Tonight the next thing they say at the end of the story is "QUOTE" IF YOU HAVE SUFFERED A SIMILAR STORY WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT!! Now this is what I am waiting for to jump on the band wagon.

Yes all has to be recorded if they steal your kids from school (AGAIN BITCHES APPROXIMATELY 250 KIDS WITNESSED THIS AND YOU TELL ME HOW DO YOU THINK THEY FELT THE NEXT DAY GOING TO SCHOOL. DOCS ARE THE REAL CHILD ABUSERS)which it was and If I remember correctly they can only keep them for a max of 8hrs.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:20:AM
I wonder why many don't stay and make careers out of it. Could it be the type of work? Or the corruption? Or the people who do the wrong thing?

I had been told before that CSO's earn $80,000 per annum but I wasn't sure if this was true.

I'm really concerned about the damage that some of these workers have cause some of the members of this site and other people in the community. I'm also concerned that the actions/vandettas etc of these workers then gives child protection a bad name.

I can't think of what would drive someone, a supposed professional at that to do such horrible things to another person. Maybe I was brought up differently to them, but I just couldn't imagine wanting to destory someone's life so much that I would go to the extremes that you guys have spoken about.

My heart goes out to each and everyone of you who have suffered due to CSO's who are hell bent on hurting people.
Posted By: George H Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 12:20:PM
I just finished getting of the phone from our family solicitor as the family wanted to make a appointment to see her about changes to our family will and just before i got off the phone i asked our solicitor have you ever had anything to do with this child safety department and she asked why are you asking i replied by saying lots of people on the internet are complaining about them is this true and she said keep away from them they're enough to make a average young family turn off from having kids.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 01:44:PM
Originally Posted by George H
I just finished getting of the phone from our family solicitor as the family wanted to make a appointment to see her about changes to our family will and just before i got off the phone i asked our solicitor have you ever had anything to do with this child safety department and she asked why are you asking i replied by saying lots of people on the internet are complaining about them is this true and she said keep away from them they're enough to make a average young family turn off from having kids.


Thank you George (are you Greek by any chance).
See the average public has not got a clue how bad this Dept Of Child Safety is. You have been awaken about this by asking your Solicitor so now I would like you to try by asking others walking this earth and this way you can make your own opinion how bad DOCS are.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 06:16:PM
Originally Posted by George H
I just finished getting of the phone from our family solicitor as the family wanted to make a appointment to see her about changes to our family will and just before i got off the phone i asked our solicitor have you ever had anything to do with this child safety department and she asked why are you asking i replied by saying lots of people on the internet are complaining about them is this true and she said keep away from them they're enough to make a average young family turn off from having kids.


See George he who seeks finds. veryhappy
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 06:27:PM
This solicitor said it all....
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 06:55:PM
Mission impossible!!

Would it be possible to have any Solicitor in QLD even the ones that do only conveyancing that don't know DoCHS.?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 08:30:PM
Originally Posted by Crow
Mission impossible!!

Would it be possible to have any Solicitor in QLD even the ones that do only conveyancing that don't know DoCHS.?


Now that's a good question as my opinion would be that 100% of Solicitors today would defiantly know who DOCS are.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 09:25:PM
Hello my allies,

Back from work today.
I wonder about those persons in the legal profession - the solicitors, barristers and magistrates. If they know how corrupt docs are then why aren't they saying something?
I can answer my own question - because it makes them money.
It's like years ago I knew a girl who had quite a bad case of body dysmorphia (think spelt correct) along with a severe case of anorexia nervosa. Anyway she kept seeing plastic surgeons and getting plastic surgery done to correct all her body faults. She had a nose job, breast implants,lips powted out job, lipo suction on her thighs, stomach tuck, heaps of dermabrasion of her face, and tatooing of lip and eyebrow line.
Anyway at the time (like any psych. nurse would ask) why the hell isn't the plastic surgeon sending her to a psychiatrist for obvious body dymorphia problem. She thought along the lines of 'if only I could get this part of my body fixed up then I'll be ok'. Well they didn't because she was their income. It's unethical isn't it. And guess what (ha ha) she was studying psychology and ended up working in some assessment area for children. I moved from Brisbane and lost contact with her. She was a personal friend of mine since childhood. She was last around 34 yo when I last saw her - God knows what other plastic surgery she has had since.
She probably works in one of the docs departments now.
I should ring her up out of the blue after all these years and then tell you guys ha ha (but I wouldn't 'cause I would be befriending her again for the wrong reasons)

Information/ stories from the ex CSO still coming - I have to work on it and get her into conversation and swing the conversation to find out my personal agenda.

I am not lying, truely true my stories.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 28 Sep 2008 10:04:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello my allies,

Back from work today.
I wonder about those persons in the legal profession - the solicitors, barristers and magistrates. If they know how corrupt docs are then why aren't they saying something?
I can answer my own question - because it makes them money.


thisisgood

You read what Cathy said that Lawyers today are making a killing and at the end of the day it make me sick that things are this way money,Money,Money $$$$$$.
As for your other question about Solicitors, Barristers, and magistrates well what can I say, I don't get to speak to any Magistrates, I rarely get to speak to any Barristers but I have had the opportunity to speak to a few Solicitors and yes they all know about how they DOCS have a habit of twisting the truth (Spoken to three)and as one said to me there is always a ongoing Royal Commission going on against DOCS here in QLD
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 12:10:PM
Just wanted to let people know here, all Dchs computers are now integrated with other states with now Dchs and Docs of NSW and Vic have all joined forces...

Posted By: THE ADMIN Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 12:47:PM

The wife and myself have been reading this thread and other sites like altnews and anything we can find on the internet and most of the complaints seem to be the same.
People have changed in the last 20 years, people have become more independent more than ever and more people today are deciding not to have kids and as a couple we have been trying find a excuse in not having them but after reading all this on the internet the both of us have decided last night we don't want kids as we love our freedom and considering we read the amount of people being abused by this docs this gives us another reason why we do not want to have kids.

Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 03:10:PM
You know that is so sad, but I fully understand...before hubby and I split, we were so keen on having another child, our 5th but going through this I'm never thinking of having kids again ever, and for the first time I would contemplate abortion if I ever found out I was pregnant...

Another catch 22, If I ever was pregnant, I would have not choice but to have an abortion which would be alot better and less cruel than to have it born and taken immediately off me...

Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 03:51:PM
Originally Posted by THE ADMIN

The wife and myself have been reading this thread and other sites like altnews and anything we can find on the internet and most of the complaints seem to be the same.
People have changed in the last 20 years, people have become more independent more than ever and more people today are deciding not to have kids and as a couple we have been trying find a excuse in not having them but after reading all this on the internet the both of us have decided last night we don't want kids as we love our freedom and considering we read the amount of people being abused by this docs this gives us another reason why we do not want to have kids.



The only way Australia can increase its population is by importing them as I hear today so many young couples that don't want kids and they don't even know who docs are.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 04:01:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
You know that is so sad, but I fully understand...before hubby and I split, we were so keen on having another child, our 5th but going through this I'm never thinking of having kids again ever, and for the first time I would contemplate abortion if I ever found out I was pregnant...

Another catch 22, If I ever was pregnant, I would have not choice but to have an abortion which would be alot better and less cruel than to have it born and taken immediately off me...



That's absolutely disgusting, Are you saying that if you fell pregnant again as soon as the child is born this docs would take the child off you?.

The last time I heard of something like this was back in the days of the Roman Empire.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 10:12:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
You know that is so sad, but I fully understand...before hubby and I split, we were so keen on having another child, our 5th but going through this I'm never thinking of having kids again ever, and for the first time I would contemplate abortion if I ever found out I was pregnant...

Another catch 22, If I ever was pregnant, I would have not choice but to have an abortion which would be alot better and less cruel than to have it born and taken immediately off me...



Very sad indeed, what have we come too in this country of ours. mad
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 10:47:PM
Hi yas,

I think that is the wrong reason not to have children thought - but that is my personal opinion. How old are you? Wait till you get to around 36 and your biological clock goes off and then you go on a soul searching journey. But then it is just hormones doing that and as humans we are wired with a primary drive to reproduce.

Thanks for the info lovingmykids. Sounds like it might get worse than any better in the near future!

I also found out today that if you want your solicitor to subpoena your docs file it must be done whilst a case is still on!! Not afterwards.
Nothing like being forwarned.

cheers
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 29 Sep 2008 11:06:PM
Jaremt,

I note your comment.
If there has been a prior notification and docs involved in your life and you are now pregnant again. A notice is placed through to docs. they are fully informed. They can whisk the child off you at birth. A woman down the street has had her child taken off her at birth (it was her 3 child I think). this woman has her 13 yo living with her. She has had brain damage in past and probably not as high functioning as she once was.
Just ring the Royal Women's hospital and query this information - you will see it is true.

Now the other day a young girl walked into our service and anyway it turned out that she is around 18 yo, homeless, alone, God knows what else happening in her life too and pregnant and into her second trimester. She said she wanted an abortion but her GP (gosh, some of them are ignorant!) said she was too far into the pregnancy.
I got her to ring Children by Choice help line and she got the phone numbers of termination clinics that could help her. I ran into in the street some days later and went up and talked to her and she said she was booked in.
When I informed my colleagues, they said 'well it would have been taken from her one way or the other!' And that comment referred to docs would snatch and grab that child so fast.
If docs could take my child when I am not homeless, not young, no drug and alcohol issues, no mental health issues, have family, (but I am a single mother) work as registered nurse, all because I made that fated phone call then watch the rest of you!!! Oh and I never harmed my child one bit they took him as 'being at risk'.
So if he was at risk then he must still be at risk now - cause nothing has changed.
I must be the only registered nurse in queensland that has had my child taken off me. Does anyone know of anyone else?
You should have seen the lies that docs wrote in their legal paperwork. Fucking amazing. I would loose my registration if I acted in such unethical (not to mention the threat and intimidation) manners.

Oh shit, who's that knocking on my door. Police with tape recorders?
Are you a suspected criminal like me?

Yeah docs, go on screw us into the ground because there are a group of us that intend to have the last say.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 30 Sep 2008 12:13:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Jaremt,

I note your comment.
If there has been a prior notification and docs involved in your life and you are now pregnant again.


Jaremt was talking about LovingMyKids in the quote above.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 30 Sep 2008 12:25:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood



Oh shit, who's that knocking on my door. Police with tape recorders?
Are you a suspected criminal like me?

Yeah docs, go on screw us into the ground because there are a group of us that intend to have the last say.


The Cops love sticking those tape recorders in ya face don't they, But I do object this to a child that is only 8 years old.
What a bunch of bullies JAB cops are. My child cried and screamed for weeks after that, nightmare after nightmare, night after night. (Notice i don't give the gender of my child)
The Public has not got a fucking clue what is going on the real world of these types of police investigations.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 30 Sep 2008 12:32:AM


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Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 30 Sep 2008 05:13:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Jaremt,

I note your comment.
If there has been a prior notification and docs involved in your life and you are now pregnant again. A notice is placed through to docs. they are fully informed. They can whisk the child off you at birth. A woman down the street has had her child taken off her at birth (it was her 3 child I think). this woman has her 13 yo living with her. She has had brain damage in past and probably not as high functioning as she once was.
Just ring the Royal Women's hospital and query this information - you will see it is true.

Now the other day a young girl walked into our service and anyway it turned out that she is around 18 yo, homeless, alone, God knows what else happening in her life too and pregnant and into her second trimester. She said she wanted an abortion but her GP (gosh, some of them are ignorant!) said she was too far into the pregnancy.
I got her to ring Children by Choice help line and she got the phone numbers of termination clinics that could help her. I ran into in the street some days later and went up and talked to her and she said she was booked in.
When I informed my colleagues, they said 'well it would have been taken from her one way or the other!' And that comment referred to docs would snatch and grab that child so fast.
If docs could take my child when I am not homeless, not young, no drug and alcohol issues, no mental health issues, have family, (but I am a single mother) work as registered nurse, all because I made that fated phone call then watch the rest of you!!! Oh and I never harmed my child one bit they took him as 'being at risk'.
So if he was at risk then he must still be at risk now - cause nothing has changed.
I must be the only registered nurse in queensland that has had my child taken off me. Does anyone know of anyone else?
You should have seen the lies that docs wrote in their legal paperwork. Fucking amazing. I would loose my registration if I acted in such unethical (not to mention the threat and intimidation) manners.

Oh shit, who's that knocking on my door. Police with tape recorders?
Are you a suspected criminal like me?

Yeah docs, go on screw us into the ground because there are a group of us that intend to have the last say.


Have a read of this story which someone posted in altnews nearly 2 years ago.
Its about some poor family that had troubles with their son and thinking they would do the right thing they decided to ring Child Safety for help and they got more than they bargained for.
http://altnews.com.au/drop/node/1731
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 30 Sep 2008 10:05:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Jaremt,

I note your comment.
If there has been a prior notification and docs involved in your life and you are now pregnant again. A notice is placed through to docs. they are fully informed. They can whisk the child off you at birth. A woman down the street has had her child taken off her at birth (it was her 3 child I think). this woman has her 13 yo living with her. She has had brain damage in past and probably not as high functioning as she once was.
Just ring the Royal Women's hospital and query this information - you will see it is true.

Now the other day a young girl walked into our service and anyway it turned out that she is around 18 yo, homeless, alone, God knows what else happening in her life too and pregnant and into her second trimester. She said she wanted an abortion but her GP (gosh, some of them are ignorant!) said she was too far into the pregnancy.
I got her to ring Children by Choice help line and she got the phone numbers of termination clinics that could help her. I ran into in the street some days later and went up and talked to her and she said she was booked in.
When I informed my colleagues, they said 'well it would have been taken from her one way or the other!' And that comment referred to docs would snatch and grab that child so fast.
If docs could take my child when I am not homeless, not young, no drug and alcohol issues, no mental health issues, have family, (but I am a single mother) work as registered nurse, all because I made that fated phone call then watch the rest of you!!! Oh and I never harmed my child one bit they took him as 'being at risk'.
So if he was at risk then he must still be at risk now - cause nothing has changed.
I must be the only registered nurse in queensland that has had my child taken off me. Does anyone know of anyone else?
You should have seen the lies that docs wrote in their legal paperwork. Fucking amazing. I would loose my registration if I acted in such unethical (not to mention the threat and intimidation) manners.

Oh shit, who's that knocking on my door. Police with tape recorders?
Are you a suspected criminal like me?

Yeah docs, go on screw us into the ground because there are a group of us that intend to have the last say.


Have a read of this story which someone posted in altnews nearly 2 years ago.
Its about some poor family that had troubles with their son and thinking they would do the right thing they decided to ring Child Safety for help and they got more than they bargained for.
http://altnews.com.au/drop/node/1731


This is one of the reasons why you never ring the Department of child safety for any help even if you have a child that is a bit unruly because this Department full of ZEALOTS immediately look on their dark side and automatically think there has been child abuse.
Do a Google and have a read of some of the rubbish they have on their site thanks to the State Government. I have never read so much rubbish in my life.
Do a search and look for multiple links about SIGNS OF CHILD ABUSE. These SICKO"S even say how many time your child should be Masturbating and if its over a certain amount please make a appointment as we would like to interview you.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 12:26:AM
Wow I wish i found this site before, am in total shock that there are so many of us out there, in the same situation. The department are doing different tactics with us now, they arrested my partner for trespassing in our place....Yes trespassing, he lived with me....The entered with police without showing ID also. Used standover tactics, and I was made to sign a piece of paper saying he would not have contact with my daughter or they would remove her.
He has also been arrested since them exactly the same again, now he is staying in this dirty hostel. They even came to my house whilst I was at work and interviewed the children without me present. My youngest daughter loved my partner, but now is too scared even to mention his name. Even though I have agreed to him not seeing any of the children...They are now telling me that I can not have any contact with him at all, no phone calls, nothing or they would remove all my children and i would never see them again. They have corrupted my youngest daughters mind also. She is scared of my partner, the police and the department. Afraid when someone knocks at the door now. Does anyone have the right to destroy a family, and now the love between two?? They are doing this as we were getting closer to getting help Im sure. At one stage, we both were going to court for placement for his son, in a different state and as we entered the courtroom 5 police officers pulled us over and dragged us to the police station, saying they had a report that if my partner didnt get any answers he would take hostages.....Unbelievable...We since found out it was the departments involvement once again. Where is the justice. My daughter is expecting her first child at Christmas, and I feel so sorry for her, as one phone call could ruin her family too.....What has this world come too?????
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 12:48:AM
I can't shut up...

I would like to personally thank the judgement of the docs workers ( the collaborative effort of intake officer, CSO and team leader) who took my child off me yet NONE of the criteria for abuse was occurring to child except I had thoughts that I would love to run away (bring it on = I still fantasize about wanting to run away!) and thanks docs for your action of placing my child into foster care where there resulted in an obvious case of
1. Neglect and
2. physcial harm towards my child.
3. God knows what else - remember I said child sexually acted out and was very withdrawn and on goes the list.One very angry child was returned to me.

Remember only about 10 hours work to pass complete strangers as foster carers and around 3 hours work to pass family as approved kinship carers. It doesn't take much acting to pass that piddly amount of time it takes.
And remember the CSO stated that '70 yo is too old to be a kinship carer' so your child has to go to foster care (where the abuse of sorts can occur - and thanks Ihategovdept for that link because it spelt out clearly that my child suffered abuse according to this criteria whilst in foster care.

And whilst I am at it and on a roll. I would like to publicly thank the father of my child and his parents who decided that they would get the boot in whilst I was down. If you lot read this you know what I mean smile

The words #%$#$#^# comes to my mind. Sorry if I am crude.

By day I am mild mannered, reasonably professional at work, civilised etc. , attentative mother BUT then in the evening I change into my anti docs cloak.
I will never forget this experiences and have justice to seek for not just us but for all the queenslanders that have experienced this and those who will experience this in their futures (shudder).

Docs are evil. Docs = 666. The anti-christ.

BUT HEY DOCS why don't you come and visit us again especially now that I have admitted that I still have thoughts of running off (tonight I would go to somewhere like Mexico - that would be interesting) and if 'thoughts are enough' for you then this should be enough for your assessment data.
Yeah, run off, catch a plane to get me to Mexico and yes, if you are asking, leave the little one home alone!
Oh shit, there's just one problem. I gave my back pack to the lifeline bin. Damn.

Silly me ... that's right docs only take children as a last resort. I think that could be a smokescreen bullshit statement.

DOCS are like crocs in the river - snatch and grab and you go down very fast. (apologies to A....'s wife and family!).
Where there's a creek there's a croc and where there's a dept of child safety office there's a....

Gotta shut up and better go.

It is hard to shut up. Has anyone got some gaffa tape? mmmmrrrhfredmgmmrmrmammnfjhfjgfmmnmnmf
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 01:15:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Wow I wish i found this site before, am in total shock that there are so many of us out there, in the same situation. The department are doing different tactics with us now, they arrested my partner for trespassing in our place....Yes trespassing, he lived with me....The entered with police without showing ID also. Used standover tactics, and I was made to sign a piece of paper saying he would not have contact with my daughter or they would remove her.
He has also been arrested since them exactly the same again, now he is staying in this dirty hostel. They even came to my house whilst I was at work and interviewed the children without me present. My youngest daughter loved my partner, but now is too scared even to mention his name. Even though I have agreed to him not seeing any of the children...They are now telling me that I can not have any contact with him at all, no phone calls, nothing or they would remove all my children and i would never see them again. They have corrupted my youngest daughters mind also. She is scared of my partner, the police and the department. Afraid when someone knocks at the door now. Does anyone have the right to destroy a family, and now the love between two?? They are doing this as we were getting closer to getting help Im sure. At one stage, we both were going to court for placement for his son, in a different state and as we entered the courtroom 5 police officers pulled us over and dragged us to the police station, saying they had a report that if my partner didnt get any answers he would take hostages.....Unbelievable...We since found out it was the departments involvement once again. Where is the justice. My daughter is expecting her first child at Christmas, and I feel so sorry for her, as one phone call could ruin her family too.....What has this world come too?????



Your story is VERY,VERY,VERY one more time VERY! similar to what I have been told.

DO NOT TRUST YOUR PHONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Any of them.
DO NOT TRUST ANYBODY.
DO NOT AND NEVER FOR FUCK SAKE SIGN ANYTHING.
Unfortunately the rubbish you signed was it an official document or was it just a bit of plain paper?.
If the allegation was from a sexual nature they will steal the kids again and again and they will try to put one child against another, they're good at this, personally today I think cops masturbate too many times in front of their TV at home watching too many episodes of ZEALOT CSI and other cops shows.

The tactics they use are disgraceful, trying to extract information out of a child.
They don't give a FUCK about the abuse they hand out to the children as all they care about is getting a fucking conviction.

REMEMBER VERY CAREFULLY!!!!!

They the Police, Your DOCS, and other Government services will try to EXTRACT whatever evidence they can out of children and even if its not Ethical. Be careful of their COUNSELING SERVICES, they are not COUNSELING they are Phishing expeditions where they are also try to put one child against the other in separate rooms and one of the FAT OBESE heavy weights come out and tells the other child in the other room well JONNY your little sister has told us everything so you might as well tell use the rest.
The FAT OBESE GROSS HEAVY WEIGHT also has a problem and watches too many EPISODES OF CSI.

THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, PLEASE GET A LAWYER and let him or her instruct you but again watch your step, think smart and keep record of everything.
Geeeeeeee WIZ I like Mobile Phone towers? You know they leave a footprint you know? YOU FUCKING IDIOT COPS!!!!You can see your uneducated TECHNOLOGY brain doesn't work the way mine does.

SEE YA IN COURT.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 01:20:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
I can't shut up...


Gotta shut up and better go.

It is hard to shut up. Has anyone got some gaffa tape? mmmmrrrhfredmgmmrmrmammnfjhfjgfmmnmnmf


I will never shut up about DOCS, I want the word to get out about this site and others about the real Child Abusers.
Boy O Boy Don't I have a lot to add but It won't happen yet and I have a STRONG reason for this.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 01:33:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
[quote=WantsJustice]
if the allegation was from a sexual nature they will steal the kids again and again and they will try to put one child against another,

The tactics they use are disgraceful, trying to extract information out of a child.
They don't give a FUCK about the abuse they hand out to the children as all they care about is getting a fucking conviction.

REMEMBER VERY CAREFULLY!!!!!

They the Police, Your DOCS, and other Government services will try to EXTRACT whatever evidence they can out of children and even if its not Ethical. Be careful of their COUNSELING SERVICES, they are not COUNSELING they are Phishing expeditions where they are also try to put one child against the other in separate rooms and one of the FAT OBESE heavy weights come out and tells the other child in the other room well JONNY your little sister has told us everything so you might as well tell use the rest.


NOW EVERYBODY READING THIS, PLEASE READTHE BIT ABOVE AGAIN and AGAIN and TELL ME, WHAT FUCKING DAMAGE WOULD THEY DO TO YOUR CHILDREN IF THE ABOVE HAPPENED TO YOUR CHILD? You Know I was Lucky the COPS backed off just after my case started, REASON THEY SMELT A RAT but I was still charged but strangely I got a feeling of apology from the cops that they were pressured to charge me by DOCS. You know even the head honcho COP said to me personally "Something is wrong with this kid that put the allegation in and a lot more, A LOT MORE THAT MY SOLICITOR ONLY KNOWS" but I was still charged by this new system of a unstoppable once it starts 93a statement.

Now tell me what damage could be done to your children if the above happened to your children and no abuse ever happened.?
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 01:56:PM

Unrepairable damage has been done to these Children.
Posted By: George H Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 07:25:PM
I also agree there would be uncountable unrepairable damage done to a child if this is the way they operate.

What I cant understand is they say they have to help the child and if this is the way they help the child I would hate to see what not helping the child would be.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 07:58:PM
Been on holidays dudes and i see there has be a few joining this forums lately and they're mainly all Women.
Three cheers for you girls standing up for your rights, this thread is the talk of the town up our way so keep it up girls stick it to those sluts that want to rip into you and your kiddies and at the same time where are all your gutless husbands? have they just pissed off and let you carry the candle because this is not fair as they also should be on here ripping it into DoCHS and the pigs they suck up too.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 07:59:PM
Originally Posted by George H
I also agree there would be uncountable unrepairable damage done to a child if this is the way they operate.

What I cant understand is they say they have to help the child and if this is the way they help the child I would hate to see what not helping the child would be.


+ 1 bro and another + 1 from my brother.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 09:49:PM
Originally Posted by Cathy B
Been on holidays dudes and i see there has be a few joining this forums lately and they're mainly all Women.
Three cheers for you girls standing up for your rights, this thread is the talk of the town up our way so keep it up girls stick it to those sluts that want to rip into you and your kiddies and at the same time where are all your gutless husbands? have they just pissed off and let you carry the candle because this is not fair as they also should be on here ripping it into DoCHS and the pigs they suck up too.


Cathy are you back for a stir are you? but you do have a point as most men that have had the unfortunate to mix it with DOCS run away but not this duck, NO, NO, Not me.
I will be a thorn in DOCS side for the next 100 years and by the sound of it so will others.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 10:43:PM
Sorry I'm a single mummy with my estranged hubby with his own fight against the pathetic craps...he just doesn't come on websites...not techno sav so I say it all for him...so when I post, think of it as double measures against Dchs, b/c he is having his say through me...

We are still good friends but not allowed to be anything other than passer bys so I understand what a previous new poster ? justice said about Dchs threatening her if she allowed her partner back into the house...we are not allowed to think of reconciling ever or the children will stay in care...he's done nothing wrong...we had our issues years ago struggling with each other and a young family and now it's biting us in the face with whatever tragedy we have come through on top of that in recent years...

Basically your not allowed to be human with a heart, think of being depressed, or cry, that's grounds enough to take children with this being RISK OF HARM!

Well they can stick their risk of harm when they have caused harm, with separation, grief and loss for the kids from removal, and very limited access and visitation pulled for any stuffed up reason...imagine if I moved 12 times, with 6 of those times happening in a month? I would be pummelled with my kids being taken off me, but they do this themselves. That's how many times my children have been moved in foster care with the last 3 times being separated from one another after being together for the 1st 9 times...Isn't that just amazing?

So if anyone from the media is watching/reading this...just know this is compounding more every day with no justice in the court system for the best interests and welfare of the child no at all being considered when it's supposed to be the most paramount consideration at all times from everyone involved.! Isn't that just BULL CRAP!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 11:40:PM
Well said LovingMyKids well said!.

This is EXACTLY what DOCS tried to do with my missus, They continually came over as a set of bullies saying have you got rid of him yet!!If you don't get rid of him we will take your children off you and this continued for weeks, and my wife cried when they were there and they tried to pressure my wife to SIGN THIS, SIGN THIS. See these low life's tried to make my wife sign a document that they will take the kids off her even if she speaks to me over the phone but (SOMETHING HAPPENED, Not saying here EVIDENCE DOCS LIED and how we ???? THEM) and they started to back off.

See these CUNTS Didn't even want me to go back to my house even when nobody was home and there is a reason for this and maybe the police warned them that's there is something ODD with this bloke Something very Different. See DOCS even wanted to know from my missus that DOES YOUR HUSBAND COME HOME TO USE HIS COMPUTERS and whats all this other stuff, WHAT DOES HE DO HERE, WHO DOES HE WORK FOR!! THERE IS NO RECORD THAT HE WORKS FOR ANYONE?
They fucking tried to get rid of me on a lie + another MASSIVE FAT lie by a bitch of a DOCS worker BUT SLUT YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT OUT!!!!!!!!!and I want answers.
Again I have massive evidence against this bitch and I want justice after I had my say but will I get it Hummmmmmm.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 11:44:PM

REMEMBER NO FUCKING EVIDENCE!!!! And I have pile of evidence against the Complainant and the Department of Child Safety.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 01 Oct 2008 11:47:PM
JAB, SHOVE YOUR 93a up your arse.!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 02 Oct 2008 12:25:AM
Hello,
We need to dispell how docs keep up their mantra that 'we are protecting the child'and use this to justify their actions. But what if their actions end up causing more harm then good?
Many of us in this forum are recognising this basic fact. DOCS can't hide behind this mantra forever.

DOCS have an increasingly poor reputation with other community service providers. Other services don't trust docs. (DOCS and corrections for that matter) do not operate from the same treatment paradigms that other government bodies come from.
They are on a different page and think they are above everything else; 'we are the law' they say.

DOCS are draconian in their approach to issues.
What positive stuff do docs really do? Please I am serious I am ill informed if they are doing anything positive in our communities.

DOCS should employ a system that the community can have trust in.

How do they measure their outcomes? By their statistic of quoting how many children were removed from their homes in the state? But then we know that a large percentage of these statistics are propped up by false allegations. So is that really a viable outcome measure?

Are docs collecting data on how many children are suffering more than before being initially removed from their home/ primary care giver?

There is lots of good and easily obtained data that could steer docs current practices into reform.

If DOCS are not getting the basic structure (policies & procedures) that drives their operating practices into being transparent and accountable then of course these coal face docs workers, the CSO's that like to exploit their power, are given lots more muscle.
The values, beliefs and attitudes of these CSO workers underpins their personal judgement and hence their reporting processes.

Prevention is better than cure.
Government if you spent more money on (for e.g.)positive parenting groups that are easily accessible to all care givers (ones with child minding services attached, various hours). Market these so they are attractive to all sorts of community members, then that for one should bring the number of notifications down.

Government if you had (for e.g.) mental health workers that accompanied the CSOs on their witch hunts (oops did I say that?)then a more accurate assessment could be made instead of over powered and under knowledged staff making judgements.

Government if you started networking more with other government agencies and non-government agencies (the specialist in certain fields) instead of dictating to the parent and these other service providers 'we want you to do....'
then there would have to be healthier outcomes.

Government the whistle is being blown on this office (it seems to be getting louder), so what are you doing about it? Are you planning to keep your head buried in the sand because it is really hard to win against you legally so this is not an important issue to you?

Government is there a working party that is looking at rectifying these problems identified and other issues ?

Government please wake up, please start being proactive, please communicate with the community.

DOCS need to have an accountability in their relationship to the community.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 02 Oct 2008 12:31:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
DOCS can't hide behind this mantra forever.

DOCS have an increasingly poor reputation with other community service providers. Other services don't trust docs. (DOCS and corrections for that matter) do not operate from the same treatment paradigms that other government bodies come from.
They are on a different page and think they are above everything else; 'we are the law' they say.



DOCS are a law of their own, EXACT words spoken to me by a Cop.
Even an Ambulance driver that has been driving ambulances for over 15 years despises them and the reason is he overheard a conversation between nurses about tactics used by DOCS in removing Fathers from their homes. He as an ambulance driver was not impressed as he told me this happened to one of his close friends.

Doesn't any Government listen regarding what is wrong with DOCS today?
The Government needs to speak to prominent lawyers about this matter. The government needs to speak to anyone that is involved with DOCS eg nurses, carers and whoever, the government needs to speak to people who have complaints against DOCS and if they do this, maybe one day they might get their finger out and do something about them.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 02 Oct 2008 04:35:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
maybe the police warned them that's there is something ODD with this bloke Something very Different. See DOCS even wanted to know from my missus that DOES YOUR HUSBAND COME HOME TO USE HIS COMPUTERS and whats all this other stuff, WHAT DOES HE DO HERE, WHO DOES HE WORK FOR!! THERE IS NO RECORD THAT HE WORKS FOR ANYONE?

I Like this bit.
It might mean nothing to you but it means something to me as you have to know who this mystery person is. There is something that I have learnt in my life, 1+1 doesn't always equal 2.


Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 02 Oct 2008 08:26:PM
Don't worry who the mystery person is as its not the person who you think it is.
The topic is DOCS! and the Liars who work their. mad
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 03 Oct 2008 01:26:AM
Hello,

Can I point you to a site - if you google 'children put at risk by department of child safety' you will find a page from MP Jann Stuckey.
i want you to remember this woman ( in past life a nurse smile is fighting DOCS within her power. She knows of the injustices, she knows of the lies, she knows of all docs shameful inadequacies!

Jann is questioning just what is going on witin docs practices in parliament. This woman is our political voice, she raises our same concerns - give her your support.

I have told her about this site and also said I am no longer afraid of DOCS. She said she isn't either and is pleased such a forum exists.

Please support this woman, probably out there alone in the political arena, fighting against this very corrupt organisation.
Again I say please give her your support if you believe there are some intrinsic issues within this 'most hated government department'.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 03 Oct 2008 02:13:AM
Also,
Just because I had not else better to do on a Friday night (uggh, shouldn't bring attention to that fact) but I have been looking up

http://www.peakcare.com.au/webpage/lit-policy.chtml

and other stuff that goes on about 'partnerships' and 'service delivery'.

Well from where I stand in the health care industry I don't see anything about these so called partnerships unless we invite docs and we have quite a few clients who have docs involved in their lives (unfortunately).

and re: the accountability issues I can't quite see anything there when I google this unless I am blind. It directs you back to CMC, Child Services Tribunal and Commission for Children etcetera.

When you search all this docs stuff it all looks glossy and effective on screen but in reality it is far removed from reality. There ain't nothing glossy and effective about docs (except they are trying to persecute the parent).
In fact I would have to say it is a modern day witch hunt.

My personal mantra - There is nothing safe about the Department of Child Safety.

Oh, I invited those who post onto Jann Stuckey site to look at this Aus- City forum.

Welcome smile please hear us
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 03 Oct 2008 04:58:AM
What's the Jann Stuckey site? Didn't know one existed...

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:03:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Also,
Just because I had not else better to do on a Friday night (uggh, shouldn't bring attention to that fact) but I have been looking up

http://www.peakcare.com.au/webpage/lit-policy.chtml

and other stuff that goes on about 'partnerships' and 'service delivery'.

Well from where I stand in the health care industry I don't see anything about these so called partnerships unless we invite docs and we have quite a few clients who have docs involved in their lives (unfortunately).

and re: the accountability issues I can't quite see anything there when I google this unless I am blind. It directs you back to CMC, Child Services Tribunal and Commission for Children etcetera.

When you search all this docs stuff it all looks glossy and effective on screen but in reality it is far removed from reality. There ain't nothing glossy and effective about docs (except they are trying to persecute the parent).
In fact I would have to say it is a modern day witch hunt.

My personal mantra - There is nothing safe about the Department of Child Safety.

Oh, I invited those who post onto Jann Stuckey site to look at this Aus- City forum.


Welcome smile please hear us



The link is a no go.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:30:PM
all my life I have voted labor when I have voted at all for whatever reason. For the first time ever I will not be voting for the Anna Bligh labor Government as she has been informed about these problems with the Department of Child Safety and has done nothing. Now, the opposition minister for Child Safety, Jann Stuckey, will she be any better? Who knows. As I don't trust any of them, if she could pass one bill in parliament I would be extremely happy and I would vote for her for the rest of my life. What I would like Jann Stuckey to work on is the changing of the law that makes a DOCS officer responsible for someones unnecessary mess if it is overwhelmingly proven that this officer lied.

So, in simple words so we can all understand, if we have a DOCS social worker/CSO/Supervisor/toilet cleaner or whatever lie in any way to have a person charged, lie in any way to inflame a situation or have someone removed out of their house on a lie, they have to be exempt from the act and be open to be sued for compensation by the effected person.

I am lost for words at the moment as I am feeling a bit sick today but I will say this again as I have said it before, if you work in a critical area like say a police officer or someone in a department like the Department of Child Safety and you lie, you lead a witness, you fabricate evidence and you break any laws, you are to be prosecuted and if found guilty you are to be given a custodial sentence, full stop...

I am sick of saying this and I bet the general public reading this site are sick of reading it from me, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO LIE? I would like to say more but I won't at the moment, the above bit has been ringing in my head now for just over three years. I have proven it to people who never believed me by letting them (not telling you because the police could be reading) and after this the very few that have been shown the evidence are 100% behind me.

I will not use names and I will change things around a little to create a bit of confusion, but the below is 100% true.

Just say a known criminal (I won't tell you what he used to do) every time something happened around the local neighbourhood, the police would be going to this gentleman's place, knocking on the door, entering without a warrant and hassling him, so what did he do, he set up a video camera directly into a video recorder. Now (something, something something) happened around this area and the same cops came knocking on the door, again entered the house but the police spotted the video camera. Now this guy, good or bad, put a complaint in, I forgot if it was the CMC or whoever, that the police came in, spotted the video camera, spotted the VCR recording, they stopped the VCR, rewound the tape, removed evidence and arrested him on a trumped up charge.

Now this matter went to court, his lawyer complained that the police removed evidence, the police denied it, after all the defendant is a criminal but what the police didn't know was that this person had a second video camera recording the VCR of the first camera, showing the police in his house, which they denied, showing the police rewinding and removing evidence which they denied. The police were suspended and like usual the police union comes to their rescue.

Now the reason why I bring this up is anyone who works in a critical area, again like the police and DOCS who lies, especially under oath, who fabricates a story or does anything to entrap an innocent person, please go past go, don't collect your $200.00 and go straight to jail.

By the way the police union complained how disgusting is it for an individual to go to such lengths to entrap the police. Put it this way, if you were the member of the public sitting in the back of a court room or if you were a member of the jury sitting in the panel, would you believe this criminal whatever he did against the word of so many police officers put on the stand? I BET NOT!

New laws have to be introduced to put lying and leading (not saying the rest)personnel that work in these critical areas to be sacked immediately, prosecuted and to be civilly sued for their above actions.

I think by now you can see how enraged I am by one simple word. LIE, there was no need for it bitch.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 03 Oct 2008 11:51:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

Can I point you to a site - if you google 'children put at risk by department of child safety' you will find a page from MP Jann Stuckey.
i want you to remember this woman ( in past life a nurse smile is fighting DOCS within her power. She knows of the injustices, she knows of the lies, she knows of all docs shameful inadequacies!

Jann is questioning just what is going on witin docs practices in parliament. This woman is our political voice, she raises our same concerns - give her your support.

I have told her about this site and also said I am no longer afraid of DOCS. She said she isn't either and is pleased such a forum exists.

Please support this woman, probably out there alone in the political arena, fighting against this very corrupt organisation.
Again I say please give her your support if you believe there are some intrinsic issues within this 'most hated government department'.



I WILL SAY IT AGAIN!!

LAWS NEED TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE DOCS AND JAB RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR UNLAWFUL ACTIONS.


As long as they know they can get away with it they will continue with this damaging practice.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 12:57:AM
Hello,

That is odd about the link being a no go. I will see what happened there - I am confused.

I plan to post some interesting reading tommorrow evening - penned by my work colleague (not the ex CSO) who is fed up with docs.
It makes interesting reading.

Have a good weekend. The weather here is brilliant.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 02:12:PM


You guys must be stupid because none of you have hit the nail on the head yet as its all about one thing money$$$$$$ the more the better.
All these sex case around have you noticed at the end of the day there is always a dollar in there for the complainants? How do you expect people today to buy their new car?, go on their holiday?, buy their dream house when interest rates near record highs? and who wants to pay a mortgage for the next 50 years? Not me. Dudes, its so easy to put a false allegation in today, its easy to join a class action on a convicted Priest as all you have to do is be a pupil in his class and bingo its the easiest 50 grand you will ever make.
Look a that high profile League player Anthony Lafranchie that was charged with sex offenses, he got off so someone must be lying or as the police say insufficient evidence to get a conviction, but at the end of the day everyone wants money, the lawyers want their bit, the sheila that put the complaint in if she wins she wants enough money to buy her new Gold Coast unit and the accused if found not guilty he will try his little heart of to make some $$$ out of this situation one way or another.

Money makes the world go around guys or haven't you worked that one out yet, the Lawyers love these cases and as my bro said its the rule on evidence and most of the time a good lawyer know the case is won before they even enter the court but shush don't tell the client that as its a process of making the money.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 02:29:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

Can I point you to a site - if you google 'children put at risk by department of child safety' you will find a page from MP Jann Stuckey.
i want you to remember this woman ( in past life a nurse smile is fighting DOCS within her power. She knows of the injustices, she knows of the lies, she knows of all docs shameful inadequacies!

Jann is questioning just what is going on witin docs practices in parliament. This woman is our political voice, she raises our same concerns - give her your support.

I have told her about this site and also said I am no longer afraid of DOCS. She said she isn't either and is pleased such a forum exists.

Please support this woman, probably out there alone in the political arena, fighting against this very corrupt organisation.
Again I say please give her your support if you believe there are some intrinsic issues within this 'most hated government department'.



I WILL SAY IT AGAIN!!

LAWS NEED TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE DOCS AND JAB RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR UNLAWFUL ACTIONS.


As long as they know they can get away with it they will continue with this damaging practice.


Yes but it will never happen.
Solicitors and Barristers become Politicians and at the end of the day they have to look after their buddies don't they?
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 04:38:PM
Originally Posted by Cathy B


You guys must be stupid because none of you have hit the nail on the head yet as its all about one thing money$$$$$$ the more the better.
All these sex case around have you noticed at the end of the day there is always a dollar in there for the complainants? How do you expect people today to buy their new car?, go on their holiday?, buy their dream house when interest rates near record highs? and who wants to pay a mortgage for the next 50 years? Not me. Dudes, its so easy to put a false allegation in today, its easy to join a class action on a convicted Priest as all you have to do is be a pupil in his class and bingo its the easiest 50 grand you will ever make.
Look a that high profile League player Anthony Lafranchie that was charged with sex offenses, he got off so someone must be lying or as the police say insufficient evidence to get a conviction, but at the end of the day everyone wants money, the lawyers want their bit, the sheila that put the complaint in if she wins she wants enough money to buy her new Gold Coast unit and the accused if found not guilty he will try his little heart of to make some $$$ out of this situation one way or another.

Money makes the world go around guys or haven't you worked that one out yet, the Lawyers love these cases and as my bro said its the rule on evidence and most of the time a good lawyer know the case is won before they even enter the court but shush don't tell the client that as its a process of making the money.



Cathy
You like putting us men down don't you? My missus said to me last night there is nothing worst than a woman scorned.
Posted By: George H Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 06:03:PM
Money is the root of all evil as if you remove the money the truth will be out there.
Posted By: George H Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 06:12:PM
jaremt

No truer words spoken than nothing worse than a woman scorned. I think what this department needs is a few scorned mothers to band together to get their revenge on the injustices that this docs has dished out to many young families.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 11:09:PM
A message for MP Jann Stuckey.

I am a very simple person and most of the time I never ask anyone for anything but I would like you if you ever become Minister for the Department of Child Safety that you try your hardest to change the laws protecting Child safety workers from prosecution.
Its very simple what myself and others would like. If a Department Of Child Safety worker of any capacity LIES in any way and you can prove it via audio recording, Police recordings or Police written transcripts, this person must be stood down immediately, an investigation must be done and if proven that this DOCS worker LIED in any way or form, this person must lose the protection of the ACT.
Putting it simply you should be able to take legal action against the person responsible for lying for either having you charged or removed from your house because of a FAT LIE!!.

This is all I ask and not a cent more. Please make them accountable for their actions.
Thank you
I Hate Gov Dept.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 11:27:PM
Hello,
Yes, so true George as I am one of those mothers!
Now passing on what my friend emailed to me and is ok about me plagiarising straight onto this forum....

"...Just a bit I found in one of my books on relective practice, which is someting that all docs workers shold be doing by the way. reflection is about introspection and looking at personal values and judgements, personal biographies that might influence our work.

Critical knowledge is derived from some key ideas in critical social science, which emerged from the social and epistemological needs that presented after WW1. In a netshell, a group of philopsophers of the Frankfurt School decided that a way ofgenerating knowlege other than through the scientific method was needed to open new thinking about human knowing and experience, in order to prevent future wars and domination by oppressive regimes. Critical knowledge has the potential ot be emancipatory - that is, it can free people from the oppression of their entranched social and personal conditions.

The need for emancipation comes from the assumption tha tcertain people, in the circumstances in which they find themselves, may suffer oppression and constraints of some kind, by other people and regimes. Freedom from oppression comes from being aware that is is happening in terms of historical, social, politicl, cultural and economic deteminants and from find themeans to do something about it.

(source - Tayor, B., (2006). Reflective Practice: A guide for nurses and midwives: second edition. Maidenhead: Open University Press.)

It would seem to me that this a lot of what docs need to do, and none of what it is doing. The way I see emancipation can be seen from several different angles. Is that emancipation for the child? The mother? Or both - when they finally are 'reunited' (dumped) by docs altogether?

I ust found this stuff for my essay, and when I was reading it I found I was thinking mor in terms of damage created by docs, than for what I was looking for for my essay..."

Anyway that is from another professional out there in the real world to is totally awake to docs and their style of dishing out their crap to all.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 04 Oct 2008 11:31:PM
Oops,
Sorry about the typos in the above. I was trying to watch tv and type in the ads.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 12:36:AM
Sad news for another lot of victims of another government dept, this time the Australian Defence force with the rejection of it's workers, soldiers suffering all sorts of mental illnesses after time in combat and then dumped without compensation or help!

Another area of government that leaves it's people high and dry in life and death tragic circumstances. In the Sunday Mail today!

Pathetic...
Posted By: Angst Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 01:34:PM
Sadly there are no measures in place within government depts as is in some private sectors such as smoke alarms rather than putting out fires.
As a Victim of crime my self I suffer with PTSD at no stage I have been offered any assistance but I have been hounded by government depts since.
My recovery was purposely impeded
I was supposedly expected to be working again within 3 weeks it took the Governor Generals Office 7 years to pay a measly Criminal Compensation claim
In hein sight 20/20 vision it was not worth it.
I don't know if I could have: the memories are quite daunting but the legal process certainly delayed. which impeded my recovery
I had never had intimate dealings with government depts in the past I trusted that they would look after me I am dissillussioned.
Only in Nov last year they have made it possible to seek counselling at a reduced rate through the Medicare system before that we had VOC which was disolved in 2004 due to lack of funding all files where seized an interim project was put in place Relationships Australia where then designated as stipulated by the act where as the gvernment has to make available counselling for VOC
Up until now nothing has been put in place maybe the 1.2 million claim from a retired police officer when asking for back up & was ignored might be heard
The fact of the matter if you trusted you will be sadly dissapointed no help will come when you call.
In my case I had 6 people I was responsible for the police had enough time to set road blocks 100kms away from the property but would not assist at the time.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 03:32:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
Sad news for another lot of victims of another government dept, this time the Australian Defence force with the rejection of it's workers, soldiers suffering all sorts of mental illnesses after time in combat and then dumped without compensation or help!

Another area of government that leaves it's people high and dry in life and death tragic circumstances. In the Sunday Mail today!

Pathetic...

You will find there is no such thing as a Government Department that doesn't screw its employees one way or another. If you're smart enough you will screw them before they screw you.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 03:46:PM
Originally Posted by Angst

As a Victim of crime my self I suffer with PTSD at no stage I have been offered any assistance but I have been hounded by government depts since.
My recovery was purposely impeded
I was supposedly expected to be working again within 3 weeks it took the Governor Generals Office 7 years to pay a measly Criminal Compensation claim
In hein sight 20/20 vision it was not worth it.
I don't know if I could have: the memories are quite daunting but the legal process certainly delayed. which impeded my recovery
I had never had intimate dealings with government depts in the past I trusted that they would look after me I am dissillussioned.
Only in Nov last year they have made it possible to seek counselling at a reduced rate through the Medicare system before that we had VOC which was disolved in 2004 due to lack of funding all files where seized an interim project was put in place Relationships Australia where then designated as stipulated by the act where as the gvernment has to make available counselling for VOC
Up until now nothing has been put in place maybe the 1.2 million claim from a retired police officer when asking for back up & was ignored might be heard
The fact of the matter if you trusted you will be sadly dissapointed no help will come when you call.
In my case I had 6 people I was responsible for the police had enough time to set road blocks 100kms away from the property but would not assist at the time.


VOC Victims of Crime? what about VOD Victims of DOCS do they get to get counseling I bet not. And A cop trying to get 1.2 mill compo, I can't wait until I Hate reads this, what about his compo and others like him that have been screwed by bent law enforcers like the Police and DoCHS.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 06:25:PM
Originally Posted by Angst
Sadly there are no measures in place within government depts as is in some private sectors such as smoke alarms rather than putting out fires.
As a Victim of crime my self I suffer with PTSD at no stage I have been offered any assistance but I have been hounded by government depts since.
My recovery was purposely impeded
I was supposedly expected to be working again within 3 weeks it took the Governor Generals Office 7 years to pay a measly Criminal Compensation claim
In hein sight 20/20 vision it was not worth it.
I don't know if I could have: the memories are quite daunting but the legal process certainly delayed. which impeded my recovery
I had never had intimate dealings with government depts in the past I trusted that they would look after me I am dissillussioned.
Only in Nov last year they have made it possible to seek counselling at a reduced rate through the Medicare system before that we had VOC which was disolved in 2004 due to lack of funding all files where seized an interim project was put in place Relationships Australia where then designated as stipulated by the act where as the gvernment has to make available counselling for VOC
Up until now nothing has been put in place maybe the 1.2 million claim from a retired police officer when asking for back up & was ignored might be heard
The fact of the matter if you trusted you will be sadly dissapointed no help will come when you call.
In my case I had 6 people I was responsible for the police had enough time to set road blocks 100kms away from the property but would not assist at the time.




I lost my respect for the police three years ago, I have never had trouble in any way with the Police not even a parking ticket until now.

CHRIS Hurley - the policeman acquitted of manslaughter over a Palm Island death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee received a confidential $100,000 under the table payment Where are the $100,000 for people acquitted at trials especially if the evidence clearly shows there was Police and DOCs corruption during the initial investigation.

CHRIS Hurley Charged with manslaughter has NO committal, and instantaneously in court and a free man in RECORD TIMES? What was it around 3 to 4 months from WOO to GO.

Why does it take everyone else around 3 to 4 years? for their day in Court?

CHRIS Hurley gets all his legal fees paid by the Police Union, Why Doesn't the Police union pay for my Legal fees?

Has anyone ever notice whenever a cop has committed a crime or done something stupid like that cop that drove into a tree the FIRST to get to the seen is not the Ambulance, NO not the Tow trucks, NO not other cops its the head of the Police union looking after his Buddie and don't get to close to the accident seen as they threaten you with arrest and heaven forbid don"t take your camera's out.
I HAVE TOTALLY LOST CONFIDENCE IN ANY POLICE FORCE AS TODAY'S POLICE FORCE ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

And there are some cops today that get screwed by their own system I had 3 of my best mates NSW cops and all three chucked it in especially one that got beat up by 6 Aboriginals and his new STYLISH offsider a young female constable froze and sat there doing nothing watching as they beat my friend her working partner nearly to death.
He was on Compo for 12 months and refused to work with a female officer ever again and just to piss him off even more this STYLISH young officer was promoted within the next two and a half years whilst my friend was always knocked back for one or another reason.
As he said to me just before he resigned and joined a P.I company the Police today want a STYLISH Police service but as he explained two officers on the beat are only as good as one to another.

Back to the original TOPIC and the TOPIC IN THIS THREAD IS THE MOST HATED GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD LYING SAFETY.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 06:27:PM
Originally Posted by jaremt
Originally Posted by Angst

As a Victim of crime my self I suffer with PTSD at no stage I have been offered any assistance but I have been hounded by government depts since.
My recovery was purposely impeded
I was supposedly expected to be working again within 3 weeks it took the Governor Generals Office 7 years to pay a measly Criminal Compensation claim
In hein sight 20/20 vision it was not worth it.
I don't know if I could have: the memories are quite daunting but the legal process certainly delayed. which impeded my recovery
I had never had intimate dealings with government depts in the past I trusted that they would look after me I am dissillussioned.
Only in Nov last year they have made it possible to seek counselling at a reduced rate through the Medicare system before that we had VOC which was disolved in 2004 due to lack of funding all files where seized an interim project was put in place Relationships Australia where then designated as stipulated by the act where as the gvernment has to make available counselling for VOC
Up until now nothing has been put in place maybe the 1.2 million claim from a retired police officer when asking for back up & was ignored might be heard
The fact of the matter if you trusted you will be sadly dissapointed no help will come when you call.
In my case I had 6 people I was responsible for the police had enough time to set road blocks 100kms away from the property but would not assist at the time.


VOC Victims of Crime? what about VOD Victims of DOCS do they get to get counseling I bet not. And A cop trying to get 1.2 mill compo, I can't wait until I Hate reads this, what about his compo and others like him that have been screwed by bent law enforcers like the Police and DoCHS.


VOD

VICTIMS OF DOCS,
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 06:30:PM


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Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 06:33:PM
Please all keep on topic! that include you ew_289 vcheeky
Posted By: Angst Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 06:52:PM
Go to www.forums.altnews.com.au my comments are under the name of Deborah I have had 10 years of VOD but it did start with VOC what will be next VOE would that be ego...ignorance VOI I have contacted the Yes Boys
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 07:12:PM
Very odd I find.
See DOCS don't care about the kids as I have proven that before, its a ego thing when you rub them up the wrong way and that's where all the crap starts with them against you and they try to use the kids in any way to retaliate.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 07:16:PM
Sometime you wonder what goes on in their little heads. If you ever ring legal aid they will even tell you don"t rub them up the wrong way otherwise you will pay.
Well It depends how many times you ring Legal aid as you can ring them 10 times and get 8 different answers just to cause some confusion.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 07:21:PM
I might have mixed one Deborah to another (wrong Story).
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 07:24:PM
Very Sad.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 07:29:PM
I will let my wife read this later.

In life sometimes you think that you have been hard done by but there is always someone 100 times worst off than what you are and I'm complaining about what happened to us.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 07:46:PM
Please Deborah
If you have any decent friends you can rely on stay with them. I know what depression can do to a person
as I have been there.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 10:52:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Please all keep on topic! that include you ew_289 vcheeky

What, me sir.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 10:53:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Please Deborah
If you have any decent friends you can rely on stay with them. I know what depression can do to a person
as I have been there.


This is where you find your true friend when you're in need.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 05 Oct 2008 11:41:PM
Great reading tonight!!

I like that - 'VOD'.
Yep, all who brush up against docs go on in life to become VOD's.

Incidentally, you are so correct jaremt about guessing there being no compensation from the government re: docs way of dealing with and your family.
As a VOD I asked a docs worker after the court cases finsihed up, after my son was dumped back into my care etc. asked can docs now refer me for PTSD sytle counselling now that they have crucified me and tortured my son? The response was "we would have to have you assessed by OUR psychiatrist and then we would have to extend our order whilst all this goes on...". Bullshit to that response I thought.

And the police - one mighty big boy's club.
Ever heard of the C.A.R.E. factor?
It's an acronym for - cover arse remain employed.

Yes, I have read your stuff on Altnew Deborah. Another VOD story.

Good on Ihategov for keeping this forum focussed.

I was going to post something about a topic surrounding the word hegemony and how it applies to docs. Another time.

Bravo to you all for the constant exposure and debate around this much hated and distrusted government department.
Posted By: Michelle Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 11:45:AM
Member i hate gov dept

How did you find out as you said below:

CHRIS Hurley - the policeman acquitted of manslaughter over a Palm Island death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee received a confidential $100,000 under the table payment.

If this is true I would like to know how come he got special treatment from the Government and not others that have been found innocent by the system, or in docs related cases where it is proven that all or part of a persons problem was caused by a docs lie.
Posted By: Michelle Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 12:52:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Please Deborah
If you have any decent friends you can rely on stay with them. I know what depression can do to a person
as I have been there.


This is where you find your true friend when you're in need.


There are some sad stories all over the internet regarding the involvement with any of these government Departments but if you have bought this on yourself you deserve what you get but on the other hand if you are innocent only to be framed or lied too by this DoCHS well that is different.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 01:12:PM


All
Have a read of this Child Safety mess.
Its a fucking mile long. Some of these women today must dedicate there lives in getting back at docs

http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-fXzewZMiRKgEeWYniHg-?cq=1
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 01:12:PM
Originally Posted by Michelle
Member i hate gov dept

How did you find out as you said below:

CHRIS Hurley - the policeman acquitted of manslaughter over a Palm Island death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee received a confidential $100,000 under the table payment.

If this is true I would like to know how come he got special treatment from the Government and not others that have been found innocent by the system, or in docs related cases where it is proven that all or part of a persons problem was caused by a docs lie.


+ 1
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:18:PM
Originally Posted by Michelle
Member i hate gov dept

How did you find out as you said below:

CHRIS Hurley - the policeman acquitted of manslaughter over a Palm Island death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee received a confidential $100,000 under the table payment.

If this is true I would like to know how come he got special treatment from the Government and not others that have been found innocent by the system, or in docs related cases where it is proven that all or part of a persons problem was caused by a docs lie.


I would not be surprised if this is true after all you must remember that the Police today and it doesn't matter what state you live in always find ways to bend the law and suit themselves when in need.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:29:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Great reading tonight!!


Incidentally, you are so correct jaremt about guessing there being no compensation from the government


The Government seems to be selective when it come to giving compensation. I think if you do some re-search you will find a few in the Police force in all states that have been given a hefty last pay packet but I wonder if any or how many have received a hefty cheque from the Government for DoCHS abuse in any state in Australia.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:31:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Please all keep on topic! that include you ew_289 vcheeky

What, me sir.

ew
Shit Stirrer.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:43:PM
Originally Posted by Crow


All
Have a read of this Child Safety mess.
Its a fucking mile long. Some of these women today must dedicate there lives in getting back at docs

http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-fXzewZMiRKgEeWYniHg-?cq=1


I'm reading it now.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:46:PM
hello,
I am the typist and not the person who made this comment but they have ok'ed me to paste onto this forum...

"Hey,
I've found an even better workd to throw at them.

HEGEMONY.

Hegemony means the ascendancy or domination of one power over another. In a critical social science interprestation, it refers to the ways in which some social systems, and the people in them, give the impression that they are unassailable, and that the conditions they have produced are not only good, but also appropriate for the people over whom they have control.

Now that sounds exactly like our f govt dept.

As an example, in nursing, it means that nurses come to think that the hospital bureaucracy is not only necessary, but also conducive to their welfare, and that the oppressive elements, such as domination relationships and challenging or difficult work conditions, can't and shouldn't be changed. Hegemony works to have nurses believe thaey can do little to change their work lives. Hegemonic influences work to maintain the status quo and resist change.

So in terms of docs, this could be seen to also be in play. their culture is such that the staff apprear to be so indocrinated that they do not even think to question any of the processes - 'word's are enough??!!' & continue to get victims of their system to meet continuing insurmountable and ever-changing goal posts. At what point do the staff stop and thnk to question that if someone has met the goal prosts (eg provided clean urines, attend counselling etc), then perhaps substance use/ misuse is NOT an issue, or hand this issue over to the repsected experts in this field, rather than dictate to that field of expertise what docs think they should be doing.
remember that beautiful line frequently coming from CSO's 'i'll have to speak to my supervisor'. Why. Why is that so?
Because they don't have a brain themselves. because they are so unsure of their work that they con't know what to do? Because they are so under the hegemonistic influence that they cannot make a decision on their own - yet these same people are put in charge of 'cases'. Not to mention they come out to your house and decide to remove the child.
And that is another issue. Is it nice to be known as a 'case'. That hegemonistic way of depersonalizing the damage done to distance themselves from the pain they cause. It's a bit like working in an operating theatre. When a person is covered in green sterile drapes and the body is cut open, it's not gorey because it's only a square of flesh that it seen. It's cut off from the big picture.
sorry, i feel like I am egging you on, and firing you up. that's not the intention. If you are writing to anyone these are terms that describe some of docs policies and procedures that need to be reconsidered.

reification is another one. That means making into a thing. It is the taking of essential activites and treating them as if they operated according to a given set of laws independently of the wishes of the people engaged in the activities. Kind of like the laws of social life. So a nurse might do things that would indicate she is deferring to a doctor, putting him in a place of power, even if she doesn't agree with it - it's about assumptions - which docs seem to do a lot of.

Emancipation = freedon. Inference that one is freed FROM something and free TOWARDS something. So emancipating persons to be liverated from their present oppressive conditions to be freed towards empowering conditions.

The whole problem with that is that docs are not about empowerment at all. At what point do they even attempt to five parents any power over their lives and stop destabilising the whole process by docs decisioins.Empowerment is abouthelping people find their own pwer. Dcos just treat parents like children they have stolen and shove them from pillar to post as well. granted that there are some parents out there that need a lot of assistance in learning how to parent more effectively - so why not work side by side with that parent, or employ people who are experts at that. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how anyone who has not even given birth can make a decision on whether someone is "god enough" to be a parent.. "Good enough" is the benchmark set by the majority of literature around parenting through post-natal depression. A shame it is not the benchmark set by docs. When have docs published research papers on their success rates of their processes. Have they done longitudinal studies about the positive outcomes of the children they 'saved' by tearing those very chidren's lives apart at an early age, then moving them frequently into situations that sometimes were more damaging than the family home. where are the glowing statistics on the fine members of adult society they turned these children into?"

...The above written is not from my head but plagiarized from an email sent to me by a friend who works extensively with shared clients with docs.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:48:PM
Also I will still paste on ex CSO comments about working in that polluted organisation. It is still coming. I try to keep my words/ promises.

cheers smile
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:51:PM
Yes Jaremt,
Thanks for that link. Remember hell hath no fury over a woman scorned. Let's get together girls!!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 05:54:PM
Can you still remember the Fitzgerald enquiry. The autobiography from Jack Herbert was a insightful read.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 08:05:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood

remember that beautiful line frequently coming from CSO's 'i'll have to speak to my supervisor'. Why. Why is that so?
Because they don't have a brain themselves. because they are so unsure of their work that they



Never truer words spoken, That"s EXACTLY what they use to say to my wife all the time.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 08:14:PM
Originally Posted by Michelle
Member i hate gov dept

How did you find out as you said below:

CHRIS Hurley - the policeman acquitted of manslaughter over a Palm Island death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee received a confidential $100,000 under the table payment.

If this is true I would like to know how come he got special treatment from the Government and not others that have been found innocent by the system, or in docs related cases where it is proven that all or part of a persons problem was caused by a docs lie.



Have a read.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23770642-601,00.html

http://netk.net.au/Aboriginal/Aboriginal97.asp

http://www.kwoff.com/story.php?title=Palm_death_cop_Chris_Hurley_got_100000_payout__The_Australian-1

http://www.ozbiker.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1741&Itemid=59

The internet is full of it
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 08:16:PM
Originally Posted by Crow


All
Have a read of this Child Safety mess.
Its a fucking mile long. Some of these women today must dedicate there lives in getting back at docs

http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-fXzewZMiRKgEeWYniHg-?cq=1


Yet another.
Posted By: Angst Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 08:30:PM
Back in the 1970's an Australian in her early 20's worked as a child protection officer in England.

Children were subjected to a physical examination at school.
What they did was get children to drop their pants & touch their toes.
Umm...



Families were accused of sexual abuse alot of marriages disolved & some commited suicide

Until a Dr a specialist affirmed a condition gaping anus IT did not cease...but by then the damage was done
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 06 Oct 2008 08:37:PM


Did anyone by any chance watch that movie I think that was on Channel 9 last night called "16 Blocks" staring Bruce Willis and David Morse?
It's about corrupt cops and the way they go on their business.
Now watch that movie and pretend the COPS are DOCS CSO's and you will find a Similarity.

Lying, Setting People up, Honest Cops (DOCS CSO's) being corrupted by Bent COPS (In this case DOCS CSO'S, Bullying, intimidation, Honest Cops leave but threatened not to say anything to whats been going on (same as one DOCS worker that contacted me a year ago she complained the same.

And the only thing that I could find to differentiate between the both of them is that DOCS don't have guns YET.
Posted By: George H Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 12:40:PM
Yes I did and I can see the similarity
Posted By: musicman Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 02:23:PM
Originally Posted by Angst
Back in the 1970's an Australian in her early 20's worked as a child protection officer in England.

Children were subjected to a physical examination at school.
What they did was get children to drop their pants & touch their toes.
Umm...



Families were accused of sexual abuse alot of marriages disolved & some commited suicide

Until a Dr a specialist affirmed a condition gaping anus IT did not cease...but by then the damage was done



This happened in Sydney until the late seventies that Children were medically examined at school from head to toe.

My 13 year old brother was found to have only one testicle as the other was booted upstairs months earlier.
My brother complained about the pain after he was kicked but my parents did nothing and said the pain would go away but it didn't. luckily weeks later we had a friendly forced visit from a Government doctor at school where they spent days examining all the kids and when he examined my brother he diagnosed that one was missing or something like that.

If this happened today according to Child Safety the Parents aren't even allowed to talk about that sort of thing and as for the parent doing their duty to see if two of them still live there no way that's not allowed according to C/S and even if the child goes to the doctor today the doctor is scared shit less to touch them just in case the mother or the child says you touched them for 5 seconds to long so according to Child safety that sexual abuse.

What a sick perverted society we have become today. My male doctor told me that he will not examine a child without a nurse present, he will not examine a woman without a nurse present. So i asked him what happens if the doctor is a woman, he explained that's different she does not need a nurse with her to examine any child nor does she if she has to touch a man in the private parts
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 08:26:PM


If you ever get to have any time and you want to shake you head have a read of the Department Of Child Safety Manual.
It must have been written by a fuckwit that has no family.

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/practice-manual/

Mind you DOCS even tell you if your child runs into your bed at night for whatever reason and you leave the child there in the bed with you that is a form of Child Abuse.

FOR ALL TO KNOW
THE POLICE DO NOT AGREE entirely with a lot what is written in that manual because if it was law 100% of the population in QLD would be arrested and charged with Child Abuse. How do I know this JAB Police told me so.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 08:30:PM
Maybe I should get together one day with thisisgood and between the both of us we should be able to write a good manual about DOCS.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 08:32:PM
Why not, we will add a few more members in that list this way the manual on DOCS abuse will be covered 100% correctly.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 08:38:PM
During reunification, estranged hubby was told to have a safety rail on a bunk for a 10 year old who had slept in the top bunk for the previous 4 years...or reunification would be cancelled - over a f*#king safety rail he has never needed previously...

What I hate is when the CSO's try to be the parent to your child in front of you but it's a laugh when your child reacts to it b/c the CSO breaks every triple P principle in the book and still expects respect from the child! We wouldn't need Triple P or parents then would we, we just need to be self righteous CSO's and scorned females at that!
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 08:40:PM
Triple P by the way is Positive Parenting Program and boy do Dchs come out looking like hypocrits !

Typical nothing new.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 08:41:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT


If you ever get to have any time and you want to shake you head have a read of the Department Of Child Safety Manual.
It must have been written by a fuckwit that has no family.

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/practice-manual/

Mind you DOCS even tell you if your child runs into your bed at night for whatever reason and you leave the child there in the bed with you that is a form of Child Abuse.

FOR ALL TO KNOW
THE POLICE DO NOT AGREE entirely with a lot what is written in that manual because if it was law 100% of the population in QLD would be arrested and charged with Child Abuse. How do I know this JAB Police told me so.



Sorry I forgot about the Masturbation bit.
DOCS tell you that if your Child Masturbates to many times please seek help.(Ring DOCS they will blame the parents and always arrest the father)

FUCK FACE DOCS! Does the average family have to buy a masturbation meter do they. You have to be SICK to write something like this in your manual.SICK,SICK,SICK, SICK IN THE HEAD.

Please read their manual and puke.!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 07 Oct 2008 10:54:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
During reunification, estranged hubby was told to have a safety rail on a bunk for a 10 year old who had slept in the top bunk for the previous 4 years...or reunification would be cancelled - over a f*#king safety rail he has never needed previously...

What I hate is when the CSO's try to be the parent to your child in front of you


Its called a ego trip, remember a high percentage of DOCS staff have tried firstly to get employment in the Police Service as a Police officer but failed one way or another. So where is the next line of employment that gives them power and they can get there ego trips quite easily.
DOCS
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:24:AM
Hello,

Lovingmykids, that bit about the safety rail is just a typical stand over tatic by this department.
And then one reads all that stuff in the practice manual (still need to find out which section that bit about masturbation is in?) and whilst it all sounds above board we know that in reality that some docs workers are just bullies with their own agenda at hand i.e. power trips.

It is when these idiots tell someone 'to get a safety rail or else' that it should be placed in writing. Then that could be taken to court if the idiots would actually stipulate this crap request in writing.
And as we know, some (many it would seem!) just don't give a f... 'cause they know at the end of the day there is no real penalties for their actions.
So docs workers in the year 2008 know they can run amock, twist and bully you all they want and will get away with it every single time.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:34:AM
One more thing,
The q'ld government are gutless. They know their are some intrinsic problems with the manner in which docs handles their clients and those families affected by docs actions and there is a complete inability for any legal reprisal against this organisation.
People of queensland your hands are tied before you start whether you are guilty or not because the system has to lie to prove you are guilty no matter what evidence you have.

Also why if you (or me for that matter) are such a threat to your child and therefore children are removed due to being assessed as 'at risk' from you then why are they given back to you and no follow up exists? How come docs then drop you and your child back together and forget all their concerns about what a big bad ugly parent they were so busy trying to portray you as in court.


Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:23:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

Lovingmykids, (still need to find out which section that bit about masturbation is in?)



Got to.
http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/practice-manual/

Once there, look at the VERY TOP right you will find a DEPT OF CHILD SAFETY SEARCH window.

Drop in the word,,,,,, masturbation ,,,,, in that box and go for it! and you will find more than one article on the above.

All I ask is if you ever get bored please read their SICK PERVERTED manual.

You know how FUCKED they are, they say in their manual that if a child continually wets his or her nappies/ undies the child is being abused possible sexually.
NOW ALL! I bet you have seen that I think the DRY NITES AD! where a young boy runs in his bed room going to bed and the ad says Quote "Don't worry if the child continues to wet his or her pants at night as they will grow out of it and dry in their own time".
Now we have all seen this ad so why in the hell does the Department of Child safety Contradict what is shown on National Television, Who would you believe?
So what is it Dry NITES and all the television stations around Australia.....You have FAILED! mandatory reporting Child Abuse.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:44:PM

I have read a fair bit of it and some sections are good and very informative but YAK!! who is responsible for the lies and intimidation on it!.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:45:PM
It must have been the CSO from hell that we dealt with.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 04:05:PM

I was told last night that the bitch from CSA that screwed me by saying it was ok to pay child maintenance on a child that's isn't yours now works for DoCS.
See it shows you it must be in their blood to move from one position of authority to another
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 04:18:PM
Originally Posted by Crow

I was told last night that the bitch from CSA that screwed me by saying it was ok to pay child maintenance on a child that's isn't yours now works for DoCS.
See it shows you it must be in their blood to move from one position of authority to another


Didn't you say once in the early days before the forum crashed and you lost heaps of post that the bitch you dealt with besides being a fucking liar that she was a cranky old bat, possibly a lesbian, a mat muncher.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 04:25:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood

And as we know, some (many it would seem!) just don't give a f... 'cause they know at the end of the day there is no real penalties for their actions.


And this is what I Hate Govern Department said to me in a pm exactly what you just said now that they are untouchable, a law onto their own, and because this Child Protection ACT 1999 protects them and they know this that they can just about get away with murder.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 04:35:PM
I think in reference to a child possibly suffering from sexual abuse if they are wetting their pants or bed is a little different from what you think. It is in reference to child who are toilet trained who then suddenly revert back to wetting their pants/bed. This can sometimes be a physical sign of children who have been sexually abused. It is not in reference to children who are not toilet trained and it is not in reference to all children.

In regards to the masturbation it is also in reference to children who masturbate excessivley (ie in front of other people, continue to do so after redirection, try to coerce other children to join in). This is often another sign of possible sexual abuse. Child psychologists and other experts have outlined normal sexual development of children as a guideline and any differences in sexual development for a child's age may need to be looked at further.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 06:09:PM
Hespera

What Child safety office do you operate out from?
because that's the impression i'm getting.

Like you said correctly it can sometimes be a physical sign of sexual abuse but you said the magic word and that word is sometimes.
You need to ask any Lawyer they will tell you DoCHs turns sometimes into every time.

And as for you guys being wankers you're all wankers from the day you're all born cant trust none of you.

You talk about experts? How can they be experts if they haven't done it themselves, everyone is a expert and personally I'm sick of paper experts.

Now be honest what office do you hang out from, trust me pm me, i'll turn my pm back on just 4 u, I wont tell anyone
Cathy and the Girls having a laugh.
Posted By: Cathy B Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 06:28:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera

In regards to the masturbation it is also in reference to children who masturbate excessivley (ie in front of other people, continue to do so after redirection


Sorry I had to come back because of the bitches next to me.

Question: how do you know children masturbate excessively?

Re-direction? from who, DoCHs?

You know these days if you had a child and the child wet its pants for no reason and the child wasn't getting sexually abused by anyone you have to be a idiot to try to get some help.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 06:39:PM
Actually I had a feeling that after posting that that someone here would assume that I work for Child Safety. The fact is that I don't. Sorry Cathy, I won't be PM'ing you to give you the "goss", your impression is wrong. So laugh all you like.

I have worked with CSO's through my profession and I agree with everything that has been said on here. DOCS do get it wrong, some CSO's working there get it wrong. Just because I a able to interpret things a little differently and have knowledge about signs of sexual abuse doesn't mean that I am automatically a CSO's.

Besides that, would it be a problem if I was? Would I no longer be able to be a part of this forum? I haven't belittled anyone, called anyone names or used derogatory terms towards anyone. Are you to be the judge on who can and can't comment on this forum? And what if an actual CSO wanted to be a part of this forum? Wouldn't it be benefical for others if the right kind of CSO's (compassionate, understanding and not corrupt) were a part of this forum?

"How can people be experts unless they have done it themselves?" Ahhh it's called working with children that have been sexually abused and conducting studies, gathering data, monitoring the children and looking for physical and emotional signs that they display so then they can help educate other's on what to look for. Have you ever suffered sexual abuse Cathy? Have you ever worked with children that have? Have you ever had to hold a mother who is crying because she didn't realise that her child was being sexually abused as it was happening in her own home? There needs to be more education about this so parents know the signs to look for and maybe more children can be spared from this horrible act.

But we're getting off the point of the forum here.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 07:51:PM
Originally Posted by Cathy B
Hespera

What Child safety office do you operate out from?
because that's the impression i'm getting.

Like you said correctly it can sometimes be a physical sign of sexual abuse but you said the magic word and that word is sometimes.
You need to ask any Lawyer they will tell you DoCHs turns sometimes into every time.

And as for you guys being wankers you're all wankers from the day you're all born cant trust none of you.

You talk about experts? How can they be experts if they haven't done it themselves, everyone is a expert and personally I'm sick of paper experts.

Now be honest what office do you hang out from, trust me pm me, i'll turn my pm back on just 4 u, I wont tell anyone
Cathy and the Girls having a laugh.


Cathy,
You shit stirring bitch.
For all to know Cathy has been trawling around this entire site for years shovelling shit and she is good at it and I am used to her and also I get a laugh out of her so don't take it personal if she sends you a hook, just don't bite if you want to beat her.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 08:03:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
I think in reference to a child possibly suffering from sexual abuse if they are wetting their pants or bed is a little different from what you think. It is in reference to child who are toilet trained who then suddenly revert back to wetting their pants/bed. This can sometimes be a physical sign of children who have been sexually abused. It is not in reference to children who are not toilet trained and it is not in reference to all children.

In regards to the masturbation it is also in reference to children who masturbate excessivley (ie in front of other people, continue to do so after redirection, try to coerce other children to join in). This is often another sign of possible sexual abuse. Child psychologists and other experts have outlined normal sexual development of children as a guideline and any differences in sexual development for a child's age may need to be looked at further.


It sounds like Hespera has been reading the manual or has she or he been trained by it?
The Plot thickens!! but I have to agree what Cathy said in her other post as we all know her brother is a Lawyer (She keeps telling us all).
Parents today are generally concerned if a child starts wetting its pants or bed and taking their child to seek medical help or advice as all the programmed Zealots come out of the wood work thinking of only the one thing.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 08:05:PM
Hespera is right with her statement regarding child abuse but do you think Docs look for that themselves when assessing when a child is at risk of this abuse? I have seen a number of children doing physical issues that disturb me while visiting my children in school with these other children having a clear sexual abuse issue going on with 2 children having confided in me that this was taking place from the mother's boyfriends! I told the principal and this child and the other one both still live in their homes with only 1 visit from Dchs.

Both homes have severe domestic violence with police constantly there and still docs don't return, they wonder why children end up dead...either by murder or suicide.

Just got advised about a child in the Department's care up north I think committed suicide...would love the link for that online from the courier mail.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 08:24:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
Actually I had a feeling that after posting that that someone here would assume that I work for Child Safety. The fact is that I don't. Sorry Cathy, I won't be PM'ing you to give you the "goss", your impression is wrong. So laugh all you like.

I have worked with CSO's through my profession and I agree with everything that has been said on here. DOCS do get it wrong, some CSO's working there get it wrong. Just because I a able to interpret things a little differently and have knowledge about signs of sexual abuse doesn't mean that I am automatically a CSO's.

Besides that, would it be a problem if I was? Would I no longer be able to be a part of this forum? I haven't belittled anyone, called anyone names or used derogatory terms towards anyone. Are you to be the judge on who can and can't comment on this forum? And what if an actual CSO wanted to be a part of this forum? Wouldn't it be benefical for others if the right kind of CSO's (compassionate, understanding and not corrupt) were a part of this forum?

"How can people be experts unless they have done it themselves?" Ahhh it's called working with children that have been sexually abused and conducting studies, gathering data, monitoring the children and looking for physical and emotional signs that they display so then they can help educate other's on what to look for. Have you ever suffered sexual abuse Cathy? Have you ever worked with children that have? Have you ever had to hold a mother who is crying because she didn't realise that her child was being sexually abused as it was happening in her own home? There needs to be more education about this so parents know the signs to look for and maybe more children can be spared from this horrible act.

But we're getting off the point of the forum here.


I wouldn't care if you did work for DOCS, you have a right to be here and so do others but I am only here for one and only reason and I want to stay on topic.
Why do some of DOCS CSO's LIELIELIELIELIELIELIEFAT FUCKING LIES

I am always trying to find a loop hole in anything, after all I have had 3 years of it being focused and I want you all to remember this as I have SOMETHING, SOMETHING once released will send shivers to every Prosecutor in this country, and I will make this my priority that every LAWYER in this country knows what I am about to say.
You watch them try to find a way around it and I bet the Crown and DOCS will never be able to use it AGAIN even in court.
I am surprised nobody has stumbled onto it but on the other hand in the last three years I have spent thousands of hours trawling the internet and talking to people.


Ohhhhhhh Boy I would like to say more but I won't and the last time someone crossed me it cost them MILLIONS and it took me only months to figure that one out.
There is always a weakness, I will twist and probe till I get what I want superhappy superhappy superhappy

Reason for the edit was 1 of the LIES didn't show up in that list of them
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 09:06:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
I have seen a number of children doing physical issues that disturb me while visiting my children in school with these other children having a clear sexual abuse issue going on with 2 children having confided in me that this was taking place from the mother's boyfriends!


What you have written here has something that I am about to release next year that will send shivers through the Prosecutors fraternity.
TRUST YOU WILL HIDE WHEN THIS COME OUT hide from the parents that you reported to the principal, you did what you thought genuinely was right but were you?
You will have to stay patient until late 2009 when all will be revealed.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 09:31:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids


Both homes have severe domestic violence with police constantly there and still docs don't return, they wonder why children end up dead...either by murder or suicide.



The reason is they didn't use the magic word sexual abuse.
mention that and they will be there in a flash removing the father in seconds.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 09:37:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
I have seen a number of children doing physical issues that disturb me while visiting my children in school with these other children having a clear sexual abuse issue going on with 2 children having confided in me that this was taking place from the mother's boyfriends! I told the principal and this child and the other one both still live in their homes with only 1 visit from Dchs.



LovingMyKids
You have enough on your plate why would you want to be involved with someones elses problem?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 09:47:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
I have seen a number of children doing physical issues that disturb me while visiting my children in school with these other children having a clear sexual abuse issue going on with 2 children having confided in me that this was taking place from the mother's boyfriends! I told the principal and this child and the other one both still live in their homes with only 1 visit from Dchs.



LovingMyKids
You have enough on your plate why would you want to be involved with someones elses problem?



I learnt my lesson the hard way.
If it doesn't involve myself, my family or close friends I look the other way. If I see a kid needing help, I look the other way, If I see a young girl or boy trying to attract attention for help, I look the other way, If I see a cop car involved in an accident and the cops need help, Sorry I will go to the shop and buy a meat pie and coke and sit there and enjoy my pie, If I see a DOCS bitch having a bad day. NO COMMENT.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 09:57:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
Actually I had a feeling that after posting that that someone here would assume that I work for Child Safety.

Don't let Cathy scare you away.

Yes we know all types of Abuse exist including Child Sexual abuse that has been going on since day dot but we all must be focused here on this thread about the lies that one case worker can generate that will turn someones life upside down.

Have you ever known a case worker at the Department of Child safety to ever lie causing major problems to any individual?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 10:01:PM


1953 Views today, and yes don't worry DOCS are reading too.Hi DOCS wave
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 10:26:PM
You know why I involve myself b/c I hope someone involves themselves if my kids were being sexually abused! These kids are in definite harm and risk of harm. Yeh I have problems on my plate but I noticed this before my problems appeared on my plate and couldn't ignore a little girl's plea for help...could you?! The 'fathers' weren't the kids fathers but step fathers sexually abusing these kids.

No I don't want other families involved in Dchs but when there is actual harm happening, I've also noticed the Dchs never involve themselves which disgusts me...but it happens.

What you've got to say I Hate GOV DEPT next year sounds really promising but once you spill, most will probably say, yep heard and been there with still nothing done...nothing surprises me anymore the lengths this crap gov dept get away with.

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 10:45:PM


I here for the one and only reason.
Mayham and confusion.
What I have discovered will cause problem in our legal system and I don't give a stuff what damage it causes as sometimes the laws need to be amended.

remember all we need today is a smart lawyer to find a good loophole and do the same for us, give us what we want, and that is a massive class action law suit against the Queensland Government that will just about cripple it.

Now I would love to see that.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 08 Oct 2008 10:57:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids


What you've got to say I Hate GOV DEPT next year sounds really promising but once you spill, most will probably say, yep heard and been there with still nothing done...nothing surprises me anymore the lengths this crap gov dept get away with.



No it has nothing to do with what you have said above.
I don't trust anybody, Not even my solicitor on this one.
All my life i have dedicated my life trying to find weaknesses in electronics systems.
Now I doing the same in say another area, I would like to say more but put it this way you would NEVER in 2 million years expect what I have done and yes its legal to gather this knowledge.
Anyhow enough said. Watching the Battle of Britain tonight, I like it because the brains were in the smallest people that couldn't fight, couldn't fly Spitfires, but could find weaknesses in the German war machine.
To me I love watching true stories or movies like this as it give me inspiration to never give up the fight against DOCS.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 01:36:AM
Hello all,

I have just read the past 24 hours worth of postings. Good stuff, keep it up folks.
Now some questions and comments -
Just what the hell is a 'mat muncher'?
And about the wetting beds, sexually acting out.
Well it is just one symptom and can not be used to diagnose.
Yes, as a student nurse, I witnessed (on community placement) a very disabled child masturbating continuously and screaming away. It was uncomfortable to be in a room of adults and disabled children and seeing this, i can assure you. Very primal drive and no social skills. I won't forget that experience, I didn't know which way to look.
I know kids who are bed wetters but I am pretty sure there is no sexual abuse but rather both those boys that come to my mind both could be classified as conduct disorder and have quite a few behavioural issues.
But first one needs to rule out organic courses for this bed wetting.
I am personally of the idea that docs only interested in sex abuse allegations when they want to get at a parent (bring on a case!) and yet have witnessed (part of my story) whereby a child was returned to their home, started sexually acting out and presto docs didn't do anything, no investigation, even though there were about 3 or 4 incidences reported. I suppose it didn't suit their allegations against mother for them to be notified about possible father (?) abusing child when they have glorified this chroncially unemployed, drug fucked man child and said that he was the more suitable parent over the mother who was working in a psych. unit at the time as a registered nurse, and alway worked in her choosen profession. It wouldn't feed into their primary concerns so they dropped it.docs were the ones who sent the child out of state and wrote letter of support to father's solicitor to apply for full custody.
Yes, I know of one teenage boy that docs has fucked over and over and over. He tried to commit suicide in the past 6 months - he is lost. He regularly self harms, identifies himself with homeless youth and has been fucked over in foster homes too. Personal friend links there and not professional.
Remember I am the only registered nurse in queensland that had my child removed off me due to child being deemed 'at risk' of mother. They tried to say I was mad, bad and a danger to my child.
Hello docs/ government if you read this and you have read my complaint you will know it is me and hey, I am not scared of docs. I intend to keep blabbing away. One senior colleague who knows me very well both personally and in a professional capacity said it was a 'miscarriage of justice' what docs did to my family. I have the tapes and full story of what happened. Mr C Fass said it was unusual for docs to go for middle class, professionals like me in my role.
Yep, I said I would 'sit up and shut up' to your docs chosen psychologist (He wrote it in his report) but i think I was lying now as I can't shut up about how corrupt docs are, not only in my story but in so many others around me.

Anyway, Mr Ihategov I think Mayhem and Confusion sound good to me. I have some ideas.
Does anyone else have ideas about how to
1. educate the people about docs current practices 2.stop the docs monster roaming around and snatching and grabbing children and 3. make them more accountable and stop the lying.
PM me if you do.
cheers and good night.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 12:12:PM

Whats a mat muncher?
Easy
Two women facing in the opposite direction doing naughty things to each other.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 12:28:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
You know why I involve myself b/c I hope someone involves themselves if my kids were being sexually abused! These kids are in definite harm and risk of harm. Yeh I have problems on my plate but I noticed this before my problems appeared on my plate and couldn't ignore a little girl's plea for help...could you?! The 'fathers' weren't the kids fathers but step fathers sexually abusing these kids.

No I don't want other families involved in Dchs but when there is actual harm happening, I've also noticed the Dchs never involve themselves which disgusts me...but it happens.

What you've got to say I Hate GOV DEPT next year sounds really promising but once you spill, most will probably say, yep heard and been there with still nothing done...nothing surprises me anymore the lengths this crap gov dept get away with.



Like I hate said if you want DoCHS to be involved you have to mention the sensitive words like SEXUAL ABUSE and while you're at it you have to rub them up the wrong way and don't forget you have to point them in the right direction too and its like a red flag to a bull for them and if you don't do this nothing will happen and as some have said without the magic words they are not interested.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 12:32:PM
You have to remember DoCHS is mainly run by women, a percentage of them are men hating dykes who have only one thing in their sights and that is getting revenge against men.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 03:37:PM
Originally Posted by Crow

Whats a mat muncher?
Easy
Two women facing in the opposite direction doing naughty things to each other.


Fair dinkum Crow you're a shocker!
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 04:17:PM
Has everyone noticed lately that the papers have been quiet up here in QLD on Child Safety and the poxy Child Support bleed men dry agency QLD?

This site brings back memories.
http://www.mensrights.com.au/
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 08:25:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289
Originally Posted by Crow

Whats a mat muncher?
Easy
Two women facing in the opposite direction doing naughty things to each other.


Fair dinkum Crow you're a shocker!

I agree.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 08:31:PM
Originally Posted by Crow
Has everyone noticed lately that the papers have been quiet up here in QLD on Child Safety and the poxy Child Support bleed men dry agency QLD?

This site brings back memories.
http://www.mensrights.com.au/



Yes, The Department Of Child Safety has been out of the papers lately, Don't worry its the calm before the storm. dance
Have you noticed its always the same reporters that report for DOCS? Also have you noticed for the few that when you email them they never reply. mad mad mad I wonder who they're protecting?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 09:38:PM
I was having my dinner, watching the news and I see the state government has introduced new laws to toughen the laws on bashing up ambulance officers and parents giving their children alcohol to celebrate the end of school. They also said their would be a larger fine for leaving children under 12 unattended in cars.

But the bit that made me fucking choke was they have also introduced new laws and higher penalties for anyone assaulting a Child Safety officer and who else do you see on TV but our great Attorney General Kerry Shine. Normally you only see him appealing against light sentences given to sexual offenders. Actually I have never seen him for anything else. But what bothers me is its so easy for them to introduce tougher laws to protect Child Safety officers, what about at the same time introducing new laws to protect the public from these dirty filthy fucking lying DOCS cunts? I am fucking angry like hell. This government reminds me of a one way valve, everything is always in one direction, you are all a bunch of fucking zealots. Why don't you look at the root of the problem, why people are bashing child safety officers? The only bashing I am going to be doing is on this fucking internet site, you fucking low lifes. I am sick and tired of seeing stories like this on TV where they don't get it right. I am against anyone assaulting anyone but why in the fuck do we have so many people assaulting Department of Child Safety officers? There must be a reason. Look at me for example, I am venting my anger on this internet site because of one dirty, filthy, fat, fucking mole that lied. Kerry Shine, why don't you introduce laws to protect the public against monsters like I have had to deal with. Monsters that deliberately lied, that can be proven in a court of law and have caused our headaches. Again, I am venting my anger on the internet, but most younger people today that are hot headed and have had a situation similar or identical to mine, do you honestly expect them to keep their cool, when they clearly see if their case becomes similar to mine where a Department of Child Safety officer has set them up?

I am lost for words, I am angry and I know that you Kerry Shine will never do anything about this, but I can promise you one thing, when my mess is over, the CMC will be the first I will be notifying, followed by you very quickly, but knowing you, you will get one of your law books out and find a loop hole.

Isn't what they say in court when you are found innocent, you are not really found innocent, its just that the crown doesn't have enough evidence to convict you and they use this in the lower courts to get around the payment of compensation. All I can say is I hope the fucking lot of you rot in hell.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 09:50:PM


You beat me to it!
I said to the missus i wonder if I Hat Gov was watching the news?

Your not the only one that choked on their evening meal because i nearly did the fucking same.
This is nothing but a fucking joke
Piss off you wonder why people have lost respect for the law today.
i'm getting drunk 2 nite
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 09:53:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

Isn't what they say in court when you are found innocent, you are not really found innocent, its just that the crown doesn't have enough evidence to convict you and they use this in the lower courts to get around the payment of compensation. All I can say is I hope the fucking lot of you rot in hell.


someone else told me the same
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:03:PM

Look If they introduced new laws that if anyone bashed a child safety officer and at the same time the opposite end of the stick we give one back to the public that if a Child safety offices acts not in a professional way "EG" LYING, or any other serious matter!!they need to be punished and I would not have a problem of passing the laws but you fucking idiots! why do you think the Departments officers get under so many peoples skin? WHY DO I HAVE TO REPEAT IT AGAIN!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:30:PM
Hello all,

Well firstly I am sorry I asked what a 'mat muncher was' uggh.

And I am over awed that there are these penalties for bashing a CSO.
Yes, I fully agree it really is like a one way valve where the community gets more and more penalised and it is just giving these CSO's more power. Now I reckon they will be encouraging someone the deck them just so they can press charges and then also make their case more stronger against the parent. I can envisage it now written on their affidavit crap - child's parent displaying violent tendencies. Child at further risk now as parent witnessed to be violent.
Yeah, we know how you guys will twist this to suit your perverted needs.
I always say there is a way to talk to people and another way to talk to people and I understand a lot of these CSO would incite these parents to wanting to punch the shit out of them.
Yes, and I am non violent.
I intend to scan all queensland newspapers tomorrow.

good night.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:36:PM
And I bet you will find the same reporters.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:38:PM


Trust me thisisgood, the war against them has only started
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:43:PM
You see how in QLD police cars will be allowed to run advertising on them.
Maybe we should advertise on them what we think about DOCS.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:49:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello all,

Well firstly I am sorry I asked what a 'mat muncher was' uggh.

And I am over awed that there are these penalties for bashing a CSO.
Yes, I fully agree it really is like a one way valve where the community gets more and more penalised and it is just giving these CSO's more power. Now I reckon they will be encouraging someone the deck them just so they can press charges and then also make their case more stronger against the parent. I can envisage it now written on their affidavit crap - child's parent displaying violent tendencies. Child at further risk now as parent witnessed to be violent.
Yeah, we know how you guys will twist this to suit your perverted needs.
I always say there is a way to talk to people and another way to talk to people and I understand a lot of these CSO would incite these parents to wanting to punch the shit out of them.
Yes, and I am non violent.
I intend to scan all queensland newspapers tomorrow.


good night.

Yes I'm getting off, This has sickened me and trust me this will only give DOCS more power to abuse parents and more the parents feel violated the more the bashing's will continue and only give these child stealer more ammo to steal your kids and hand them to out of work foster carers
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:23:AM
I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you on this one. I don't see a problem with introducing laws that stop people from bashing ANYONE. CSO's are people too, and regardless of what their job is they don't deserve to be bashed. They have a job to do, plain and simple and while the job that they do isn't always as it should be (ie corrupt workers and lies) they still don't deserve to be bashed. It's not okay for police to be bashed, it's not okay for community members to be bashed and as far as I'm concerned it's not okay for CSO's to be bashed either. And why are CSO's being bashed? Well one possible reason is because they are working in such an emotionally charged arena and what you usually find is that parents who have done the wrong thing and are violent people are the ones who attack CSO's.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 03:10:AM
Thanks for you response I hate Govt, since the last post, things have even got deeper, finding a lawyer is hard, have phoned many but to no avail, but one lawyer did say to me, get a list from the department of the demands they are making, in writing, then take it to a lawyer. They are still saying we cant be together and they have someone else involved, contacting my family asking about my partner and I, and of all uncanny things, this person they have contacting the family is a sleaze and they feel violated by him, he is also a con, that has been in jail, and is currently going to court for giving false evidence to police. And the department is allowing this person to report to them. I have not had any conversation with the department since they arrested my partner, they have been contacting my children. They have damaged my children and their faith in society. The system has failed my family. And also has given them a dislike to the Police and Government Bodies.

Again be careful, don't trust anybody and its a pity today that 98% of Lawyers only concerns are $$$$$$ and that's it

PLEASE READ what I said months ago, its not legal advice but its a indication on what to do and not to do.
I don't know about your state and even if the SA police say they can't record you phone conversation without you knowing DON'T TRUST THEM and the PHONES!!!! PS they get away with here in QLD with a loop hole.
Don't you like these Loop holes, The Cops taught me all about Loop holes and in the next 12 months I will use one of their open loop holes against them and before they get a chance to close it the infection will have festered in.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 03:36:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by Crow


All
Have a read of this Child Safety mess.
Its a fucking mile long. Some of these women today must dedicate there lives in getting back at docs

http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-fXzewZMiRKgEeWYniHg-?cq=1


Yet another.


Yes this is yet another, and this is the man I am fighting for. Read it and u will see what damage they have done for years and have covered up for years also, the proof of innocence is there waiting for it to become public, and hopefully obtain the freedom so much desired. But can you imagine how many years of pain and torture he has suffered at the hands of the department. Can this ever get rectified. Are they making it harder, because we were getting closer....not sure, he wrote on his blog like this as he has a record of all events, and the Department watch his blogs, and have even commented of late that he is stirring up trouble.... he is now living in a slum with no internet access.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 01:59:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you on this one. I don't see a problem with introducing laws that stop people from bashing ANYONE. CSO's are people too, and regardless of what their job is they don't deserve to be bashed. They have a job to do, plain and simple and while the job that they do isn't always as it should be (ie corrupt workers and lies) they still don't deserve to be bashed. It's not okay for police to be bashed, it's not okay for community members to be bashed and as far as I'm concerned it's not okay for CSO's to be bashed either. And why are CSO's being bashed? Well one possible reason is because they are working in such an emotionally charged arena and what you usually find is that parents who have done the wrong thing and are violent people are the ones who attack CSO's.


Hespera

Can you please re-read my post as you must have read it incorrectly as I did not say anything about me agreeing the bashing of DOCS CSO or anyone.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:05:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
I was having my dinner, watching the news and I see the state government has introduced new laws to toughen the laws on bashing up ambulance officers and parents giving their children alcohol to celebrate the end of school. They also said their would be a larger fine for leaving children under 12 unattended in cars.

But the bit that made me fucking choke was they have also introduced new laws and higher penalties for anyone assaulting a Child Safety officer and who else do you see on TV but our great Attorney General Kerry Shine. Normally you only see him appealing against light sentences given to sexual offenders. Actually I have never seen him for anything else. But what bothers me is its so easy for them to introduce tougher laws to protect Child Safety officers, what about at the same time introducing new laws to protect the public from these dirty filthy fucking lying DOCS cunts? I am fucking angry like hell. This government reminds me of a one way valve, everything is always in one direction, you are all a bunch of fucking zealots. Why don't you look at the root of the problem, why people are bashing child safety officers? The only bashing I am going to be doing is on this fucking internet site, you fucking low lifes. I am sick and tired of seeing stories like this on TV where they don't get it right. I am against anyone assaulting anyone but why in the fuck do we have so many people assaulting Department of Child Safety officers? There must be a reason. Look at me for example, I am venting my anger on this internet site because of one dirty, filthy, fat, fucking mole that lied. Kerry Shine, why don't you introduce laws to protect the public against monsters like I have had to deal with. Monsters that deliberately lied, that can be proven in a court of law and have caused our headaches. Again, I am venting my anger on the internet, but most younger people today that are hot headed and have had a situation similar or identical to mine, do you honestly expect them to keep their cool, when they clearly see if their case becomes similar to mine where a Department of Child Safety officer has set them up?

I am lost for words, I am angry and I know that you Kerry Shine will never do anything about this, but I can promise you one thing, when my mess is over, the CMC will be the first I will be notifying, followed by you very quickly, but knowing you, you will get one of your law books out and find a loop hole.

Isn't what they say in court when you are found innocent, you are not really found innocent, its just that the crown doesn't have enough evidence to convict you and they use this in the lower courts to get around the payment of compensation. All I can say is I hope the fucking lot of you rot in hell.



I SAID!

The only bashing I am going to be doing is on this fucking internet site, you fucking low lifes.


I SAID

I am against anyone assaulting anyone


Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:21:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Thanks for you response I hate Govt, since the last post, things have even got deeper, finding a lawyer is hard, have phoned many but to no avail, but one lawyer did say to me, get a list from the department of the demands they are making, in writing, then take it to a lawyer. They are still saying we cant be together and they have someone else involved, contacting my family asking about my partner and I, and of all uncanny things, this person they have contacting the family is a sleaze and they feel violated by him, he is also a con, that has been in jail, and is currently going to court for giving false evidence to police. And the department is allowing this person to report to them. I have not had any conversation with the department since they arrested my partner, they have been contacting my children. They have damaged my children and their faith in society. The system has failed my family. And also has given them a dislike to the Police and Government Bodies.

Again be careful, don't trust anybody and its a pity today that 98% of Lawyers only concerns are $$$$$$ and that's it

PLEASE READ what I said months ago, its not legal advice but its a indication on what to do and not to do.
I don't know about your state and even if the SA police say they can't record you phone conversation without you knowing DON'T TRUST THEM and the PHONES!!!! PS they get away with here in QLD with a loop hole.
Don't you like these Loop holes, The Cops taught me all about Loop holes and in the next 12 months I will use one of their open loop holes against them and before they get a chance to close it the infection will have festered in.


SORRY I ADDED THIS IN YOUR POST BY MISTAKE! I CLICKED EDIT INSTEAD OF QUOTE.

Again be careful, don't trust anybody and its a pity today that 98% of Lawyers only concerns are $$$$$$ and that's it

PLEASE READ what I said months ago, its not legal advice but its a indication on what to do and not to do.
I don't know about your state and even if the SA police say they can't record you phone conversation without you knowing DON'T TRUST THEM and the PHONES!!!! PS they get away with here in QLD with a loop hole.
Don't you like these Loop holes, The Cops taught me all about Loop holes and in the next 12 months I will use one of their open loop holes against them and before they get a chance to close it the infection will have festered in.

Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:22:PM
The only thing now to come out of these new laws as has been previously mentioned is that the CSO's will purposely provoke to be hit...they were doing it before these laws came in with their antagonism towards parents.

It's common sense to be treating parents with care and concern as it is a severely fragile and emotional nature but they don't, police say it so many times that the Dchs are either 'snakes in the grass' and/or cold hearted even if they have a heart. Most don't and if they entered with one, it was sure ripped out the minute their paypacket and bonus's were threatened!

I know I've seen it otherwise they just leave working for the dept and get their heart back damaged and scarred for life so imagine parents and their children!

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:27:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by Crow


All
Have a read of this Child Safety mess.
Its a fucking mile long. Some of these women today must dedicate there lives in getting back at docs

http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-fXzewZMiRKgEeWYniHg-?cq=1


Yet another.


Yes this is yet another, and this is the man I am fighting for. Read it and u will see what damage they have done for years and have covered up for years also, the proof of innocence is there waiting for it to become public, and hopefully obtain the freedom so much desired. But can you imagine how many years of pain and torture he has suffered at the hands of the department. Can this ever get rectified. Are they making it harder, because we were getting closer....not sure, he wrote on his blog like this as he has a record of all events, and the Department watch his blogs, and have even commented of late that he is stirring up trouble.... he is now living in a slum with no internet access.


And they will try to keep him off the internet too.
SEE these scumbags if they could get a law passed that makes it a offense to give DOCS a hard time (you notice I didn't say BASH them on the internet as some think you can actually bash a person on the internet, hummm Is it possible because I don't think so) these arses would push it.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:37:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
The only thing now to come out of these new laws as has been previously mentioned is that the CSO's will purposely provoke to be hit...they were doing it before these laws came in with their antagonism towards parents.

It's common sense to be treating parents with care and concern as it is a severely fragile and emotional nature but they don't, police say it so many times that the Dchs are either 'snakes in the grass' and/or cold hearted even if they have a heart. Most don't and if they entered with one, it was sure ripped out the minute their paypacket and bonus's were threatened!

I know I've seen it otherwise they just leave working for the dept and get their heart back damaged and scarred for life so imagine parents and their children!



I totally agree with you as in our case they pushed my wife to the limit to get rid of me a few times and as she was crying sitting on the lounge my wife till today tells me she was spat on maybe accidently by a DOCS bitch standing over her (The Spit was the bitchs frothing saliva)

Now tell me these JUDGE,JURY and Executioner made their mind up there and then and I wonder what the same bitches would say today or a little later say after my day in court.
Posted By: Julie Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:46:PM

All you whingeing men are all the same pitiful and weak. I'm still going to apply for a position in Child Safety where I know I can be a team player but at the moment I am waiting to be professionally coached before applying as I have been told the interview is quite demanding.
Posted By: Julie Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:56:PM
I have had to shut off my PM service on this site because of someones abuse to me but Hespera do you work for Child Safety or any other Departments that it related to it and if so I can open my PM service for a short time so I can receive an answer from you.
Thanks
Julie
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 02:59:PM
You crawled out of the gutter again Julie? God help families if you ever get a position in The Department of Child Safety.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 03:02:PM
And just think the Department already has plenty of Julie's working for them. They see one thing but interpret it the wrong way.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 03:29:PM
Originally Posted by Julie
I have had to shut off my PM service on this site because of someones abuse to me but Hespera do you work for Child Safety or any other Departments that it related to it and if so I can open my PM service for a short time so I can receive an answer from you.
Thanks
Julie


See Julie you have the makings of a DOCS CSO.
SECRECY, DENIAL, and no transparency.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 08:18:PM
Sorry I probably didn't explain myself very well, it was late at night when I posted it.

I wasn't saying that you think it's okay to bash anyone or physically bash CSO's. I was just saying that I disagree with you on the importance of the new law being passed.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 08:21:PM
Originally Posted by Julie
I have had to shut off my PM service on this site because of someones abuse to me but Hespera do you work for Child Safety or any other Departments that it related to it and if so I can open my PM service for a short time so I can receive an answer from you.
Thanks
Julie


I won't be giving you any private messages I'm affraid. I certainly won't be giving you any advice or help in the area of trying to obtain employment through the Child Safety or any other Department because people like you shouldn't be working there.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 08:22:PM
Hello all,

Hope you are all having a good weekend.

Firstly, Hespera it is great that you play the devil's advocate here and your comments are cerainly appreciated and considered.
I do agree that dealing with families is very challenging.
But as I said there is one way to say something and another way to say something. I do believe (from personal experience) that some CSO's are bullies and would prevoke some parents to get angry. I am concerned that some CSO's will use this knowledge to further prevoke some parents. As a mental health nurse I work in a high risk area for aggressive behaviours, for this reason we are given a 5 day aggression management training. I must admit after some 17 or so years working in this area I haven't been punched or assulting (yet - touch wood) (that includes maximum security wings too).
I wonder how much training docs workers are given? Maybe our friend Julie could inform us? And Julie just how do you know you can be an effective team player when you haven't even been appointed to a position within docs yet?
I think you are a complete wind up.
But good for the entertainment side of this forum - so keep writing Julie! We all want to think 'what the...' after reading your comments.
I would like to echo what 'lovingmykids' wrote.
Not all parents who docs remove children from their care are drug affected, history of violence, criminals or mentally insane, nor in a DV relationship! One needs to realise this.
I certainly didn't fit any of those categories. I get the impression some readers think (reading on altnews as well)that some people are deluded to think that there is a certain type of parent out there that deal with docs. One must realise it is a legal game and docs don't like to back down.
It is also interesting when in a space of 12 months docs are taking you through their hoops and then in that same space of time you are now representing your clients that are facing docs in the same rooms where docs were discussing you. And not to mention that the same docs workers are present in both meetings. How does that one work?
It is just a game.
And an expensive legal game for the parent/ family, tax payer etc. Oh, I forgot to mention the child - but that is really an after thought from what I see in my world.
Bye for now.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 08:23:PM
Hello,
Hey Julie PM me. I have had experience on both sides of the counter with docs. My eyes are wide open.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 08:30:PM
I looked in this mornings Courier Mail and spotted nothing about the new law changes, also I checked Fridays paper, not unless I missed it somehow
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 08:44:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
Sorry I probably didn't explain myself very well, it was late at night when I posted it.

I wasn't saying that you think it's okay to bash anyone or physically bash CSO's. I was just saying that I disagree with you on the importance of the new law being passed.


Yes Hespera late nights can do things like this to all of us.

In life you have to be fair, If its good enough for the Goose, it' good enough for the gander. I don't ask much and I have repeated this very early in my posting long time ago.
New laws should be introduced to protect Child Safety Officers from bashing's from the angry public but at the same time to make it fair new Laws should have been introduced to protect the public against any sort of corruption from our police right down to lying DOCS CSO's. Laws need to change here for accountability and Compensation for the abused..

Its the Bathurst V8 supercar car race this weekend so why not remind all of us what I overheard last year at a Bathurst BBQ party over a friend place.
A copy is below, have a read and this alone will tell you what today the public have to put up with.


Well watching Channel Nine News last night (15/10//07)I just caught a segment about Queensland police getting caught in their own speed cameras. It was interesting once again thanks to the freedom of information ACT and a good reporter that reported this but I would like to add my two bobs worth.
See what attracted my attention to this story was the high percentage of police whilst on or possibly off duty that were booked for speeding but it was the case of an outrageous percentage of them that write a letter to the department with a reason why they were speeding and they get off. Now as I said I just caught this story by a second so I don't exactly remember the percentage that get off but it was high and I can tell you this that the average Tom Dick and Harry that has been caught speeding has got BUCKLEY'S chance of getting off as easy as the off or on duty Police do so how do they do it? Haaaaaa easy!!

No I'm not saying where I got this info from but some of us unfortunately have relatives or friend in the Police service and yes they do enjoy a drink at a BBQ and yes the drink has a habit of loosening a few tongues and this is what I over heard at a Bathurst 1000 party that got my ears ringing.
See what is getting around the traps in the Police service is just say an off or on duty Police officer is driving his or her private or Police car on a public road and in a split second they unfortunately get zapped by a speed camera for speeding and they know that they have been busted what they do is accelerate and pull over the first car that just happen to be in front of them.
Now they will pull the car over for any reason like Sir/Madam why were you drifting in your lane, or your brake light are coming on and off or whatever stupid or silly reason they can use to pull the car in front of them over so they can get details, times and whatever needed so the off or on duty cop can write his or her letter saying this was the reason why he or she was speeding.
I find this what I heard absolutely disgusting and outrageous that we have a law for the common person and we have a loophole for the Police.
What I would like for the General public to do is if you pass a speed camera and you are not speeding whatsoever and for some reason just after or kms later down the road you get pulled over for whatever reason by anyone on or off duty and they just happens to flash a badge at you and ask for your details which you give him or her ask for his or her name and service number (They could refuse or ask why?), also get details, time, "etc" of the car they are driving and number plate and report them to the CMC (Crimes Misconduct Commission)You never know you could be lucky, See if the CMC investigate and it just happens the Police officer gives them the same excuse (I bet the excuses would be similiar)as they put in their letter to get off the fine the CMC will know that the Police Officer in question is on the nose, and after this message on this forum gets around they might think twice before pulling this swifty again.
Remember all, the way I look at it the Police are not above the law and they should be treated equally like the rest of us.
Now let me see where is the phone number for the CMC.



Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 09:28:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
Originally Posted by Julie
I have had to shut off my PM service on this site because of someones abuse to me but Hespera do you work for Child Safety or any other Departments that it related to it and if so I can open my PM service for a short time so I can receive an answer from you.
Thanks
Julie


I won't be giving you any private messages I'm affraid. I certainly won't be giving you any advice or help in the area of trying to obtain employment through the Child Safety or any other Department because people like you shouldn't be working there.


The trouble is there is always a possibility that people like Julie will Conn her way to employment with DOCS and that alone is a worry
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 09:45:PM
found it.
http://www.thedaily.com.au/news/2008/oct/10/aap-tougher-qld-laws-for-child-neglect/

found on thedaily.com.au news site

Tougher Qld laws for child neglect

Published 9:47a.m. 10th October 2008

Updated 11:27a.m. 10th October 2008

Queenslanders can now challenge one another to duels but face gaol for leaving their children unsupervised.

Assaults on frontline public servants, such as child safety officers will attract the same penalties as assaults on police or prison officers under sweeping reforms to the state's criminal law.

Attorney-General Kerry Shine said the Criminal Code and Other Acts Amendment Bill, passed by State Parliament Thursday night, equipped Queensland with a criminal code that reflected a contemporary society.

"There were some obvious areas that needed to be refocused - obsolete provisions such as the offence of challenging a person to a duel - which have been repealed," Mr Shine said.

"But the amendments also introduce new offences into the code, one specifically aimed at parents and carers who leave their children unsupervised for an unreasonable period."

Parents and carers who leave children aged under 12 abandoned in public places, vehicles or home alone for unreasonably long periods face three years in prison.

The changes include an increase from two years to 14 years in prison for an accessary to manslaughter or attempted murder.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 09:56:PM
Kerry
Can you please PM me the Criminal Code so I can add it to my collection.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 10:04:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by Crow


All
Have a read of this Child Safety mess.
Its a fucking mile long. Some of these women today must dedicate there lives in getting back at docs

http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-fXzewZMiRKgEeWYniHg-?cq=1


Yet another.


Yes this is yet another, and this is the man I am fighting for. Read it and u will see what damage they have done for years and have covered up for years also, the proof of innocence is there waiting for it to become public, and hopefully obtain the freedom so much desired. But can you imagine how many years of pain and torture he has suffered at the hands of the department. Can this ever get rectified. Are they making it harder, because we were getting closer....not sure, he wrote on his blog like this as he has a record of all events, and the Department watch his blogs, and have even commented of late that he is stirring up trouble.... he is now living in a slum with no internet access.


I like your avatar WantsJustice
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 10:09:PM
I also like your signature
"What happened to Innocent until proven guilty "
The above disappears as soon as DOCS knocks on your door.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 11:07:PM
Hello,

Back again.

Thanks for finding that news article ihategov.

Also thanks for the links that you post here.

Once I said to the docs worker so why take my child and scutinise me yet I am fully aware of cases in the community where there looks to be serious cases of neglect going on.
She said because we are only aware of you and not them.
Hmm, discrimination. Everyone should be scrutinised I thought - enter my crazy thought about maybe docs should take every child off every parent at birth. Because everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
cheers.



Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 11:47:PM
Hi,

OMG OMG OMG

http://docs.ajtodd.com/news/20020114_us_childtakers.txt


This paper parallels what we are all voicing on this forum.
This paper describes accurately our encounters with docs.

"...The system has been perverted and now it must be restored with a bright light of the public knowledge.
REAL accountability
REAL law
REAL rights for the people of Queensland..."

Yes, I will shout it from the roof tops!

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 10 Oct 2008 11:48:PM
Hello again,

Did you read that link about child takers text yet?

cheers.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 11:08:AM
It makes very long interesting reading.

It shows you this problem is world wide and here in Australia its only the tip of the iceberg.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 11:11:AM
You are correct!

Have you noticed the similarity between whats on that article and whats we have been complaining about on this forum.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 11:18:AM

Well we have grabbed someones attention because we now have 39,000 views and if you check the entire aus-city site just about the total of other thread don't add up to this one call THE MOST HATED GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT.
This is very important DOCS, I am not like a dog shit that dries up and the winds blows it away, I will be here for the long haul and soon my kids will be allowed to post on the forum the abuses you did to them.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 11:40:AM

You might notice I mainly talk about DOCS, but I have an F.O.I document from SCAN TEAM that will interest the public and after I reveal this it will be about time I start on another Government monster, the Gestapo counselling services that don't counsel anybody call SACS (Sexual Abuse Counselling Services).
(PS this mob does not Counsel kids,its a phishing platform for DOCS/JAB/Crown)but what damage is done here to the children if the parents are genuinely innocent. Just think about that, would you like 3 fat, obese bad breath heavy weights trying to set up your 8 year old child in different rooms?. The last time this type of interrogation (Mind you SACS call this counselling) was done was by the NAZI SS back in WW2.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 12:07:PM
This is how fucked SACS are (Or better still want to set you up). Do you know they ask all your kids to draw some pretty pictures because they say they are running late or some crap, so to fill the time draw us some pictures and they give the kids some paper and crayons to draw some pretty pictures but the only problem is in the middle of the table they have around 15 crayons and out of those 15 crayons only 3 were classified as light coloured crayons.

For People reading this that don't understand this, children that draw nasty pictures or any picture in darker colours means that child has been sexually abused.
Do you think this is fair that SACS was stacking the cards in its favour by only have 3 out of 15 crayons in the lighter color?.
See my 15 year old daughter being an artist picked it as she complains at home that she always wants a full range of inks when she does her paintings.
This was reported IMMEDIATELY TO MY SOLICITOR and to two other professionals and LOGGED.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 07:03:PM
Oh isn't that so typical and hardly see through! Good on the 15 year old to pick that up. See Dchs think our kids are silly but once they are fully aware of Dchs lies and know they are liars, the kids catch on quicker than us parents.

My kids have informed me of letters they don't get and were told by Dchs that the posty delivers them late...that's right they blame another Gov't dept, Australia Post for the lateness in delivering my letters. So wankerish...ooooh that felt good to be able to say a slang word and not be considered a neglectful and abusive parent.

Julie - Nice not to see your one sided opinion around here. If you can't get through the interview process, no point complaining to us...but what I really would like to know is do you view all parents as abusive and neglectful b/c if that's the case, you yourself are under the same title and therefore you should investigate yourself as practice before you start on others.

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 08:52:PM

This is very important what I am about to say so please read it carefully and read it again.
If you were selected to sit as a Juror or just say you were bored one day with nothing to do and you decided to do something different and just walk off the street, walk into the Supreme or District Courts in George st Brisbane, you walk into a District Court building and look on the wall for cases for today (which you don't know what they are until you sit in them). You walk into a court room that has the OPEN sign so any member of the public can walk in and sit in the rear in the public gallery.
Now you sit up the back and I bet you that you will have an 80% chance that the court room that you are sitting in will be a child sex case, and if not try your luck in another court room because you will find one GUARANTEED!.

The next bit is the very important bit. When a Department of Child Safety CSO is put on the stand (witness Box)the evidence that they give is very similar in all cases and maybe one day I will let you know how I know this but a big but!! Just say the Prosecution puts a DOCS expert on the stand and the Prosecutor asks the expert (not saying what capacity as you can work that one out for yourself) a few questions about abused children they will always and I mean always come out with this bit of evidence when they don't really have any, of some drawing drawn by a child or a group of Children. The Prosecutor asks the expert for expert advice (remember in court opinions are not allowed) they will tell you that in all cases that they know that a child draws dark or mostly dark drawings this is a sign that the child has been sexually abused.
Now this information is fed to the jury as they are listening and as a jury they have no reason not to believe firstly the Child Safety officer, followed by the expert that is supposedly qualified in this field giving evidence that these dark/darker colored drawings are a big sign that a child has been abused.
Talk about stacking the DECK OF CARDS to suit the Crown for an unsuspecting Jury, the jury has not got a clue how crooked the system is, maybe I should sit outside a court building educating anyone that walks past what really goes on oooOOHH I bet they would get rid of me or find a trumped up charge to arrest me doing my duty as a citizen warning all that sometimes what you see is not what you get. I wonder if the Defence Lawyers know this?, maybe its time for someone to tell them all about what DOCs and SACS do because the above happened to my children where they, DOCS and SACS asked my three Children to draw pretty pictures where only 3 out of 15 Crayons were of a light colour which would force a child to use darker colours to draw.
Please all I have a mile of Shonky information like the one above. Actually just say the above is called "TRICK 1". What would you say if I had another 18 or 20 more that they use to confuse and brainwash the Jury?.
Trust me in the disgusting ranks out of ten from one to ten this one rates about 4.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 09:22:PM
Well IHateGOV DEPT let us know more tricks so that we are fully informed...pretty please...

I noticed this update on the Child Safety Practice Manual and it refers to the recording of Dept'l workers being allowed with procedures for them to follow in relation to also publishing of material on websites and blogs...so they must read them let alone search for them...

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/practice-manual/general-procedures/video-staff.html

Thought this would interest you's...they're reading and watching...
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 09:44:PM

And this is the reason I don't mention names for the moment. and I do have a surprise for them but firstly I want the CMC to see it followed by any takers on Today Tonight and ACA and after that its COMPO TIME.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 09:45:PM
After all they invaded my privacy.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 10:00:PM
Don't you like this bit!
Do not attend the interview alone.

Funny its good for the GOOSE (DOCS) but not for the GANDER (THE PUBLIC).
Read one of my very early post on what to do and what not to do.
You will find that if you ever have to go to a DOCS office they want you to be alone. I HAVE MANY TIMES said NEVER EVER GO ALONE and this is EXACTLY what they teach their bullies to do.
Funny how the rules change when the boots are on the other foot.
Ohhhhh well DOCS and SACS Now tell me do you video kids in a room privately when nobody else is in there except children
Could you believe this is my Number 2 on my list of what they do. but I haven't told what and how they try to set the kids up before they put them into a room by themselves.
Haa you will have to wait for all the rest as the CMC will be the next to know.(PS the above has 80% cut out to what I would like to say)
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 10:14:PM
I wish I was the CMC!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 10:19:PM
And tell me DOCS

If the Servers is off shore say in a country of non extradition, And Say you live in that Country, like an example a Russian guy I meet in the ?????????????? many months ago with a problem with DOCS you can run Video to your heart content and there is FUCK ALL YOUR LAWYERS, THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT OR DOCS CAN DO ABOUT IT in a non extradition country!!! You can try to block it but as you know it will only pop back up..
Links can be asked to be removed that take you to that terroble DOCS hating site but not necessary have to be removed on any site in this country so get that into you.
Of course the above is disgraceful if any person ever done something like this and myself being a person of high standards I would never condone the above.

By the way DOCS instead of covering your arses to hide the rotten truth about yourself how about putting the same effort with the Government to try to stop Child Pornography that is on the internet today.
Better still remove all Pornography, its not needed.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 10:21:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids
I wish I was the CMC!


The trouble with the CMC is when you firstly go to them with a DOCS complaint they try to parm you off back to the complaints section with DOCS which is a mine field and a total waste of time.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 11:28:PM
You Talk about someone defaming a person over the internet.
This one took the cake and they could just about do noting about it and you can't get any higher in QLD than our premier Peter Beattie. Boy O boy this guy really stuck it into the premier so DOCS you have no chance if someone ever wanted to get back at your corrupt workers via the internet.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/14/1073877871381.html

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/14/1073877871381.html

http://old.zone-h.org/en/news/read/id=3919/




Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 11:37:PM
And it took plenty of months to stop him and he did something as disgusting as this. Mind you its not easy to remove someones name from the internet and considering he did a lot worse buy registering a domain name of an individual and attaching it to another site.
Trust me it was hot!, the feds closed it but it popped back up elsewhere with a different address and this went on and on.
But at least peterbeatie.com was eventually removed of that idiot but at the end of the day he got his message through.

BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!

DOCS
THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 11 Oct 2008 11:53:PM
Hello,

I have read all the above comments.
So I think it means even if you have taped these docs workers saying ridiculous things to you I cannot play it back to anyone? Is that what it means? I've got quite a bit of inane conversation recorded on tape with the then CSO. Does this mean I cannot even let my child listen to it when they are older?
You need to tape them in order to play back to yourself later so that you realise that you are not imagining what they said.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 12:47:AM
I cant remember where i read it as I havent been on all day but I noticed you mentioned about your daughter and they way they twisted what she said and did.

Same thing with us, they interviewed my daughter, mind you, without me present, they knew I was at work, and they told my daughter my partner was grooming her.

My partner and I have bought things together for all the kids, and this one instance, we both discussed that he wanted to buy her something special for her birthday, reason for this was he wasnt going to be there for her birthday, he was supposedly meant to be going back to QLD, for a month to try and sort out the issues with the Department, but they even stopped that by arresting him again. He bought her a nice dress and shoes. That is it. She had a choice to wear it at her birthday party or save it for graduation. Purely Innocent, but they twisted it around as though he was grooming her. Talk about a twisted deparment.....
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 12:52:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

I have read all the above comments.
So I think it means even if you have taped these docs workers saying ridiculous things to you I cannot play it back to anyone? Is that what it means? I've got quite a bit of inane conversation recorded on tape with the then CSO. Does this mean I cannot even let my child listen to it when they are older?
You need to tape them in order to play back to yourself later so that you realise that you are not imagining what they said.


Yes I have been told by a lawyer you cant tape the conversation at the other end, or u must ask them permission to tape the conversation. But in all honestly you have to because they change the conversation to suit them, when making their affidavits. My partner had a conversation taped with someone, and this person said, "Get out of Townsville, and never come back".....Uncanny, thats what he did, and they are still following him......
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 12:58:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

I have read all the above comments.
So I think it means even if you have taped these docs workers saying ridiculous things to you I cannot play it back to anyone? Is that what it means? I've got quite a bit of inane conversation recorded on tape with the then CSO. Does this mean I cannot even let my child listen to it when they are older?
You need to tape them in order to play back to yourself later so that you realise that you are not imagining what they said.


You can play back a tape or video recording as long as it is not published and communicated to any person. Now according to the Confidentiality section of the Child Protection Act Section 6 part 185, publish is by means of television, radio, newspaper or any other form of communication (I would assume this also means internet??). I think this is where personal information would be made public, be it about the CSO or about your own case or the case of another person, or something that identifies a child in care.

I think being able to tape record a CSO's is a good thing because it means that not only can you remember what they have said later on but it can also be helpful if the CSO's turns around and says they didn't say something which you have a recording of!
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 01:01:AM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

I have read all the above comments.
So I think it means even if you have taped these docs workers saying ridiculous things to you I cannot play it back to anyone? Is that what it means? I've got quite a bit of inane conversation recorded on tape with the then CSO. Does this mean I cannot even let my child listen to it when they are older?
You need to tape them in order to play back to yourself later so that you realise that you are not imagining what they said.


Yes I have been told by a lawyer you cant tape the conversation at the other end, or u must ask them permission to tape the conversation. But in all honestly you have to because they change the conversation to suit them, when making their affidavits. My partner had a conversation taped with someone, and this person said, "Get out of Townsville, and never come back".....Uncanny, thats what he did, and they are still following him......


You can tape any conversation you have with a CSO, but they do have the right to refuse just as you have the right to refuse them taping you. They legally can't make you not tape the conversation, but if they refuse and you continue to tape they can end the conversation just as you have the right to do. I feel that if they have nothing to hide then there shouldn't be a problem with them allowing you to tape the conversation. If they won't let you tape it, bring someone in with you who can take notes for you. CSO's take notes, why can't you!
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 01:02:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

Well we have grabbed someones attention because we now have 39,000 views and if you check the entire aus-city site just about the total of other thread don't add up to this one call THE MOST HATED GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT.
This is very important DOCS, I am not like a dog shit that dries up and the winds blows it away, I will be here for the long haul and soon my kids will be allowed to post on the forum the abuses you did to them.


Well said, yes of course they are reading this site, they have mentioned it to my partner, that he is causing a stink on the internet at the moment. But thanks to them he doesnt have internet access, as he is staying in a slum, living on a mattress, with cockroaches running around him.... From living in a great family environment, to this, all because of DOCS and their frk ups.....Little do they realise until now... its me, but I hope your reading this you SCUM, you wait until he is back online, you havent seen anything yet..... Sorry I hate Govt, if Im showing a bit of anger...but....well deserved I think....
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 12:03:PM
Please all read!!!!!!!!!
I will put this in point formation so it makes it easy to understand and follow. In BOLD is a reply

1/ DOCS tells you to go to their office for whatever reason

1a/ You never go to a DOCS office by yourself.

2/ DOCS see you have bought someone with you and DOCS ask who is this person and tries to find out a bit more about who this person is and if this person is on the ball they will terminate the interview.

2a/ Again once you have to go to an interview at a DOCS office take someone with you, they always try to stop your friend or the other person from being present at the interview but!! if you bring a LAWYER they will not try to stop the Lawyer from being present, they will probably find some cock and bull story to stop the interview before it starts.

3/ DOCS rings you at home.

3a/ You never except any DOCS phone calls via any phone.

4/ DOCS rings again, and again threatening you one way or another.

4a/ (please pre-arrange this with others that this might happen, please have more than one option). When DOCS rings again you say HANG ONNNNN!!! The washing machine spilt its guts, the oven has just gone bang!!!! tell them anything, tell them give me your phone number and I will give you a call back after I clean up this mess.
So you have no mess you grab your bag, your tape recorder and you head off to wherever your pre-arranged people would be and say for example, you have it pre-arranged to go to the real estate office where there is a Justice of the Peace present, or you go to a Doctors Surgery where you could also have a JP present + other professional people present and once there start your tape recorder, ring DOCS (over an open phone for all to listen), have your conversation with the DOCS CSO and knowing them they will do their best bit to intimidate and threaten and whatever, especially if you have been standing up to them.
Now you have them on tape which you don't have to use if this matter goes to courts but I can tell you with EXPERIENCE these DOGS from hell will lie, there is nothing better to introduce a witness (If allowed as they will try to remove any witnesses)the witness can explain who they are and what transpired in their office. Now once the credible witness has given evidence, the second and if you had the third can give their evidence that what happened in that office where PERSON SO in SO rang from my office over an OPEN phone for the say four people present to listen in + the tape recorder and after all witnesses have given evidence that clearly show the DOCS CSO HAS LIED. You can ask the Judge we also have a tape recording of the phone conversation, can we please re-play it back in this court room? Most of the times the Judge will say YES!.
This is why its important to take this all the way. I know its hard and it costs money but there is nothing better than putting a DOCS CSO on the pulpit where she/he swears on the bible only to introduce the evidence above later. Trust me, the above will put a smile on your face.

For DOCS stooges reading this, two things will happen, you have been educated by me and maybe you will stop your lying, each way, myself and others will win, because are you going to take a chance of continuing your lying shit because one day, you are going to strike someone with a higher intelligence that is going to do to you what you have been doing to others and you are not going to get away with it.

5/ DOCS say If you don't ring me, or let me ring you how do I contact you?.

5a/ Letter only thank you. They totally despise putting pen to paper and if its done on paper it must be on official Department of Child Safety letter head and signed. If not photo copy it for evidence sake and send it back to them with a letter of complaint.

6/ DOCS force their way into your house and they like to use this rubbish that kids are at risk so we will kick the door in.
6a/ if this ever happens get witnesses, always have a camera present and take plenty of photos including them and they won't like this, if not they will try to stop you taking photos of them.

7/ DOCS make uninvited visits to your house after you refuse to talk to them over the phone.

7A/ Tell them again if you need to liaise with me do it in writing, and tell them clearly that this is private property DO NOT COME BACK OTHERWISE I WILL HAVE YOU CHARGED. If possible put signs on the fence, gate or wherever that says Private Property, DO NOT ENTER. Again to remind you, police can force their way in if there is a probable cause, but it just makes it a bit more complicated for all involved.


8/ The above and below is only an indication to what I read somewhere on the internet and in no way is legal advice, if DOCS ever knock on your door shut your mouth, NEVER LET THEM IN, but educate all if these bullies ever force their way in say nothing! and as soon as they go ring a lawyer and may God bless you for your life is about to turn upside down and why? because you stood up to them and that's your only crime.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 12:14:PM

By the way
If this goes to court and its a Criminal trial, If I remember correctly if you're bringing witnesses to a trial you only have a certain amount of time before your trial to notify the court that you're bringing witnesses.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 12:20:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
I cant remember where i read it as I havent been on all day but I noticed you mentioned about your daughter and they way they twisted what she said and did.

Same thing with us, they interviewed my daughter, mind you, without me present, they knew I was at work, and they told my daughter my partner was grooming her.

My partner and I have bought things together for all the kids, and this one instance, we both discussed that he wanted to buy her something special for her birthday, reason for this was he wasnt going to be there for her birthday, he was supposedly meant to be going back to QLD, for a month to try and sort out the issues with the Department, but they even stopped that by arresting him again. He bought her a nice dress and shoes. That is it. She had a choice to wear it at her birthday party or save it for graduation. Purely Innocent, but they twisted it around as though he was grooming her. Talk about a twisted deparment.....




oooOOOH DOCS LOVE THIS GROOMING CRAP DON"T THEY. Its one of there much used words. Do you know if you buy a child a birthday or Xmas present in DOCS eyes that Grooming? even if the child is yours.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 05:37:PM
Originally Posted by Hespera
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,

I have read all the above comments.
So I think it means even if you have taped these docs workers saying ridiculous things to you I cannot play it back to anyone? Is that what it means? I've got quite a bit of inane conversation recorded on tape with the then CSO. Does this mean I cannot even let my child listen to it when they are older?
You need to tape them in order to play back to yourself later so that you realise that you are not imagining what they said.


Yes I have been told by a lawyer you cant tape the conversation at the other end, or u must ask them permission to tape the conversation. But in all honestly you have to because they change the conversation to suit them, when making their affidavits. My partner had a conversation taped with someone, and this person said, "Get out of Townsville, and never come back".....Uncanny, thats what he did, and they are still following him......


You can tape any conversation you have with a CSO, but they do have the right to refuse just as you have the right to refuse them taping you. They legally can't make you not tape the conversation, but if they refuse and you continue to tape they can end the conversation just as you have the right to do. I feel that if they have nothing to hide then there shouldn't be a problem with them allowing you to tape the conversation. If they won't let you tape it, bring someone in with you who can take notes for you. CSO's take notes, why can't you!


As I hate Gov said many times depending on the situation and who they're dealing with if you bring a person with you that knows the law or better still knows the act, they will not allow that person at the interview.
Another thing that the lot of you have forgotten about is they use all this rubbish in the name to protect the identity of the child but what happens when the child is 18 and becomes an adult?.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 05:45:PM


This thread is the talk of the town ATM. Its attracting a lot of attention from the law students.
I hate gov, can you check to see the ip's and how many are from our way (ps you know who I work for don't you?)
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 08:16:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289


As I hate Gov said many times depending on the situation and who they're dealing with if you bring a person with you that knows the law or better still knows the act, they will not allow that person at the interview.
Another thing that the lot of you have forgotten about is they use all this rubbish in the name to protect the identity of the child but what happens when the child is 18 and becomes an adult?.


That is exactly what my daughter is waiting for, she has only a few more months to go and she will be 18 and as a Adult she can right what she wants about herself after all its herself and what DOCS did to her.
ew_289 you are right, DOCS tell us all they do this to protect the child but think outside the square? are they saying this to protect the child or themselves and using the child as a good excuse.
Remember all what you see with DOCS is not what you get. They are masters of deception and twisting the truth around.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 09:54:PM
Originally Posted by ew_289


This thread is the talk of the town ATM. Its attracting a lot of attention from the law students.
I hate gov, can you check to see the ip's and how many are from our way (ps you know who I work for don't you?)


I think its attracting attention everywhere. bye
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 10:00:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

Well we have grabbed someones attention because we now have 39,000 views and if you check the entire aus-city site just about the total of other thread don't add up to this one call THE MOST HATED GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT.
This is very important DOCS, I am not like a dog shit that dries up and the winds blows it away, I will be here for the long haul and soon my kids will be allowed to post on the forum the abuses you did to them.


Well said, yes of course they are reading this site, they have mentioned it to my partner, that he is causing a stink on the internet at the moment. But thanks to them he doesnt have internet access, as he is staying in a slum, living on a mattress, with cockroaches running around him.... From living in a great family environment, to this, all because of DOCS and their frk ups.....Little do they realise until now... its me, but I hope your reading this you SCUM, you wait until he is back online, you havent seen anything yet..... Sorry I hate Govt, if Im showing a bit of anger...but....well deserved I think....


Forums like this are a form of counseling as it lets you remove your frustrations that others don't bother to hear.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 11:35:PM
Well Guys, since my last post more developments, setbacks.... Decided to phone the Department with my trusty tape recorder, requesting a list of demands to be sent to me as per my lawyer request, and I got a snicker, and then the lady said we only have the safety plan which you already have. Then she went on telling me that she is going to apply to the courts to get a court order to stipulate that I cant have a relationship, (Male, enter my premises) Until my youngest daughter turns 18, that is for six years, we got into a heated discussion, and I ended up saying just send me the list of demands...I then spoke to someone else, and plucked up the courage to phone her back, and taped the conversation once again. All this time they have been saying that i cant have contact myself with my partner, but she changed her tune, and said yes as long as it doesnt interfere with the children, but she was on the assumption that part of my partners bail conditions was that I was to have no contact. Bet she is checking into that, as this would be the last thing she wants........Maybe I should become lesbian.....
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 12 Oct 2008 11:55:PM
Good evening all,

I am glad this thread is the talk of the town! That is exactly what we want - so that docs become more exposed to the community.

And good point about when all these children turn 18. They will know the truth and collectively there could be hell to pay. Think about all those little alter boys.
Right at this very point in time my child (who is still very young) is asleep. Mozart is playing softly in the background, stories have been read, dinner has been had (crumbed veal, 5 mashed veges, vanilla yogurt and 1/2 lamington finger afterwards), teeth brushed, and prior to all of this there was a quick swim and some drawing and colouring in. This is a usual evening and it was like this (but age appropriate back then) PRIOR to docs intervening in our lives. I had collected an art portfolio for the year 2005 (still have it) but 2006 is missing as this is when my child was removed from home here. I have extensive photographs all along the way - 4 large albums of them (now I am digital) but what I am trying to say is that docs don't really know what sort of parent you are, they just like to do their splitting thing and you instantly become the 'all bad' and they do their darndest (?spelling?) to portray you as fully evil.

And what was my crime? My thoughts, fantasies. I have the CSO saying that 'thoughts are enough for us...' when I said but I have never armed the child and have no intention of doing this.
This was said about 9 weeks after child was snatched.
It was 7 days after this most hated dept. took my child that I thought what is all this about? I was confused. As a nurse I come from a caring profession and stupid me thought this organisation was the same! ha ha ha. That's why I rang them to whinge in the first place.
The following week when I rang the CSO and challenged her about some of the rubbish that was written in her court paper (the one that states they want to take the child was an assessment period). She made lots of excuses. They were the first lies, it was alarming. It was here that I thought something is fishy. I raced out and brought a new computer and started documenting like crazy. I bought a new phone and little tape recorder after the solicitor told me to tape the environment whilst I had the CSO on loud speaker.
Initially I doubted myself but the inexperience, lies, and rubbish unprofessionalism was outstanding. First class in fact.
Where do I start to tell you what happened? I want to.

Extract from journal about taping -

...I had heard a car door shut close by, but ignored it as I thought it wouldn't be for me.
Then knock, knock - someone was at my front door.

It was the police.

Initially I wondered why the police were there as the I was the man flash his badge at me. Then I saw the little tape recorder and thought it was mine and in that moment of confusion I thought they were going to charge me for taping CSO#1 and her ilk on th ehone. All these thoughts happened so quickly and I was confused.

I let them into the diing table area to sit down. I was pleaseant and acted in my professional work manner.

They said they were sent by docs to ask me some questions. They had a little tape player just like mine and started to tape the conversation.
They asked me stuff like my name, d.o.b, address, child's name and d.o.b, father's name and where child was at that moment in time.
They told me their name and I now have a business card of this male. He looked like an ex criminal with a forced big smile on his face. His colleague was a young, tall and skinny girl with red hair called ....(she looked more sincere than the male who did all the talking).
They (rather he) said I have the right to remain silent and that what I said could be used against me. Theman asked me in my own workds did I understand. They said I have the right to have a solicitor present. I then excused myself and called my solicitor's secretary who in turn called solicitor on their mobile phone.
I asked them if they were part of SCAN. I did say that I was a registered psychiatric nurse too. I also asked them if I could tape them back whilst they were taping me and produced my little tape player that was a replica of theirs.
They didn't want me to do this.
Shortly afterwards solicitor rang me and told me to 'say nothing' and to 'get them out of there'. I relayed this message onto these police officers and then politely asked the police to leave my home....

All this was 2 months after child was 'snatched' and it was 2 full working days prior to the next court case.

I worte further into my journal...

Ithink this is another ploy of docs to try and get information to hang me by on Tuesday's court hearing. It smells like a conspiracy to me. What are they trying to prove? Something escapes me. Today I am still confused.
Docs would now have their own psychiatrist report stating that it is favourable tward me and child being reunited. Then I rang this docs psychiatrist who told me she rang docs to say they are 'underhanded' toward me in the way this is going.

Upon reflection docs must have madly written all t hose affidavits back the day before the court session in resonse to my numerous affidavits that were filed in court. Gee, they put a lot of energy into it. Affidavits from all of them. Is this becoming a waste of the tax payers' money?...

To get this part of my story in context the child was sent off to NSW to live with father (200km away from state border). I was told that my mother at 70yo was too old to be a kinship carer (all on tape)but my mother was as fit as a fiddle both in mind and body. docs moved my child interstate despite their own choosen psychiatrist stating that mother and child should be united.
docs wrote to father's solicitor and encouraged father to go for sole custody of child. They basically wanted to wipe their hands of this.
But it went on. There were so many twists to it. I won't let my story be forgotten.

Will write again,
Cheers.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 12:00:AM
Hi,

Oops freudian slip - now proof reading it. "never armed was intended to say never harmed". But I certainly am arming my child now aren't I? He will be fully aware, he will be armed against this government. He will be armed with the whole truth. He will be armed with knowledge.
cheers.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 11:46:AM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Then she went on telling me that she is going to apply to the courts to get a court order to stipulate that I cant have a relationship, (Male, enter my premises) Until my youngest daughter turns 18, that is for six years, we got into a heated discussion,, Bet she is checking into that, as this would be the last thing she wants........Maybe I should become lesbian.....



FUCKING RUBBISH!!!!!!

Let the bitch try to get a court order saying that you cant have a male enter your premises until the youngest is over 18.

Originally Posted by WantsJustice

but she was on the assumption that part of my partners bail conditions was that I was to have no contact.


I find that hard to believe!! Your partner and your Lawyer must have a copy of his bail conditions. The trouble with DOCS is they suffer from the size of fish syndrome where little Johnnie said he caught a fish this size (around 50mm) and before you know it the fish is a meter long.


Remember they try the same tricks on all of us, they tried the same rubbish with me. FUCK I was told by others that I committed a bank Robbery in another state. REMEMBER DON'T FUCKING RING THEM!!!!!!!!! If you need to speak to them or request anything put pen on paper and send it by registered mail otherwise they will do a XFILE and DENY EVERYTHING.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 11:53:AM
See DOCS have a habit of this and I have been told this at least 8 times by others including yes CATHY!! that they try to keep your husband and yourself separate for as long as possible until the investigation is over and they have a reason for this.
Tell me have they tried yet to get your Children to draw pretty picture yet? because you have read what I have said before how DOCS or SACS STACK the cards or in this case the crayons color in there favor.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 12:00:PM
They always try this intimidation crap oooOOOhh we will get a court order. let them because 80% of the time they won't get one because the magistrate isn't that stupid.

How do I know this? they tried this with my wife 3 times, did they get it NO! Could they have got it for my case NO! as the Magistrate would have never allowed it and DOCS know this.
ITS A PLOY THEY USE and trust me your Solicitor should know this.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 12:19:PM


FOR ALL LAWYERS IN AUSTRALIA TO READ

Tell me guys and gals in all of the cases that you have defended the accused for Child Abuse how many times has the Crown introduced either a DOCS, or a special witness giving evidence that these dark drawings drawn by a child, is evidence that the Child has been sexually abused?.
Tell me guys and Gals have you ever thought about DOCS, SACS and other Child abusing Government Departments stacking the crayons/pens/inks/ whatever in their favour by having the majority only in dark colors for the kids to write or draw with?. How do I know they do this? They did this to my children and we have evidence on that day that this happened more than once.

Remember they convict people because of these pictures drawn by an unsuspecting child.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 02:37:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood


and some drawing and colouring in.
Cheers.

I hope you gave your Child a good choice of colours to use.

This is very sad but as I hate Government has said before if and when the Police ever come to your door ask why are they here and if they are accusing you of something be polite and shut the door on them and never let them in the house without a search warrant and imminently contact a Solicitor for legal advice.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 02:45:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT


FOR ALL LAWYERS IN AUSTRALIA TO READ

Tell me guys and gals in all of the cases that you have defended the accused for Child Abuse how many times has the Crown introduced either a DOCS, or a special witness giving evidence that these dark drawings drawn by a child, is evidence that the Child has been sexually abused?.
Tell me guys and Gals have you ever thought about DOCS, SACS and other Child abusing Government Departments stacking the crayons/pens/inks/ whatever in their favour by having the majority only in dark colors for the kids to write or draw with?. How do I know they do this? They did this to my children and we have evidence on that day that this happened more than once.

Remember they convict people because of these pictures drawn by an unsuspecting child.


I find this very alarming and have passed this information onto an acquaintance at the University and will be taking this matter further. I spoke to my friend quickly at lunch as he is a lecturer teaching law and he has told me never has the above come to his or anyone else's attention that he is aware of. We spoke about this matter for a few more minutes, as he had to go but he is concerned as a person could be convicted by being found guilty by the jury all because of the decision being swung the other way by using darkly coloured pictures which could have been coerced out of a child by giving them a limited range of colours to draw with. I would advise you to speak to some very prominent lawyers in Queensland and ask them about this. If this is one of your ten or twenty that could possibly cause headaches for the government and the legal system, I would like to see the remaining. There is no doubt about it, you have been doing your homework and good on you for doing it.

thank you
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 05:40:PM
I bet just about the entire population of Australia except for the Dochs scammers wouldn't know this, but I bet you if you rang a lawyer and told them about this their ego would say yes we know all about this but i would say they would know jack shit about it and say this just to make themselves sound good over the phone.
Posted By: shallowater Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 07:35:PM
i'm reading with interest and have the same problems with this dept. all the DOCS want to do is put him in jail. (One of them told me so)


Sorry, I've done it again, I clicked edit instead of Quote.
I'll try again.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 09:23:PM
Shallowater
Good to see you here but on the other side if you're here means you have had or still experiencing problems with DOCS.
Please read everything I have written here on this site and write down the inportant things that could effect you and your family.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 09:42:PM

They still want to put me in jail buts its the other way around at the moment I want to put them in jail + I want to be compensated for all the trouble they have caused me and my family with all their lies which were not needed.
If you need any help you're welcome to PM message me.
Remember I am a nobody that is fighting this corrupt system here in QLD.
Please think outside the square with DOCS, Keep all records keep everything and you have to be one step ahead of them all the time. I want you to eat,sleep,dream, and think nothing but DOCS like I do to find what they have done wrong and in my case plenty including breaking the law and in my case they broke the law that bad that when the cop was put on the stand in a court of law the cop had no choice but to tell the truth to protects its pathetic arse.
Do you notice I mention COP, I don't say gender of the cop, just to create some confusion.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 09:56:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
They always try this intimidation crap oooOOOhh we will get a court order. let them because 80% of the time they won't get one because the magistrate isn't that stupid.

How do I know this? they tried this with my wife 3 times, did they get it NO! Could they have got it for my case NO! as the Magistrate would have never allowed it and DOCS know this.
ITS A PLOY THEY USE and trust me your Solicitor should know this.


I do hope youre right, this is getting beyond the joke, our strength is diminishing, I dont know if i mentioned it before I think i did, that my partner was let out on bail, by the duty solicitor, and this place housed him, because of the hassle the person is causing all round, my partner phoned him this evening to ask nicely what is going on, and he said, get your gear out of my house this afternoon, now my partner was bailed to that address, and now we had to find him a hotel to stay in, and that person can now ring the police and say he has broken his bail conditions again, when does this stop
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 09:58:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

They still want to put me in jail buts its the other way around at the moment I want to put them in jail + I want to be compensated for all the trouble they have caused me and my family with all their lies which were not needed.
If you need any help you're welcome to PM message me.
Remember I am a nobody that is fighting this corrupt system here in QLD.
Please think outside the square with DOCS, Keep all records keep everything and you have to be one step ahead of them all the time. I want you to eat,sleep,dream, and think nothing but DOCS like I do to find what they have done wrong and in my case plenty including breaking the law and in my case they broke the law that bad that when the cop was put on the stand in a court of law the cop had no choice but to tell the truth to protects its pathetic arse.
Do you notice I mention COP, I don't say gender of the cop, just to create some confusion.


Thanks for that, the police came around last night and requested me to sign the trespassing statement, and i did refuse and say that isnt the facts, that wasnt what happened, so I expect they will be back tonight to find out where my parter is and get me to sign the papers again
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 10:42:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
They always try this intimidation crap oooOOOhh we will get a court order. let them because 80% of the time they won't get one because the magistrate isn't that stupid.

How do I know this? they tried this with my wife 3 times, did they get it NO! Could they have got it for my case NO! as the Magistrate would have never allowed it and DOCS know this.
ITS A PLOY THEY USE and trust me your Solicitor should know this.


I do hope youre right, this is getting beyond the joke, our strength is diminishing, I dont know if i mentioned it before I think i did, that my partner was let out on bail, by the duty solicitor, and this place housed him, because of the hassle the person is causing all round, my partner phoned him this evening to ask nicely what is going on, and he said, get your gear out of my house this afternoon, now my partner was bailed to that address, and now we had to find him a hotel to stay in, and that person can now ring the police and say he has broken his bail conditions again, when does this stop


When you're on bail the address where he lives has to be given to the police, If you change from that address you have to notify them again but we all know this can not be done instantly in a minute or the next hour or so, Ask your Lawyer and If you don't have one ring Legal aid and ask them the time limits that the Police have to be informed on his movement.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 10:45:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

They still want to put me in jail buts its the other way around at the moment I want to put them in jail + I want to be compensated for all the trouble they have caused me and my family with all their lies which were not needed.
If you need any help you're welcome to PM message me.
Remember I am a nobody that is fighting this corrupt system here in QLD.
Please think outside the square with DOCS, Keep all records keep everything and you have to be one step ahead of them all the time. I want you to eat,sleep,dream, and think nothing but DOCS like I do to find what they have done wrong and in my case plenty including breaking the law and in my case they broke the law that bad that when the cop was put on the stand in a court of law the cop had no choice but to tell the truth to protects its pathetic arse.
Do you notice I mention COP, I don't say gender of the cop, just to create some confusion.


Thanks for that, the police came around last night and requested me to sign the trespassing statement, and i did refuse and say that isnt the facts, that wasnt what happened, so I expect they will be back tonight to find out where my parter is and get me to sign the papers again


THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
Sign Nothing!!!
Please try to get some legal help ASAP.
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 11:18:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT

T
Remember I am a nobody that is fighting this corrupt system here in QLD.


Your bit more than a nobody mate as you have got the guts to stand up to what looks like a corrupt system.
By the way you will find more and more joining the forum soon because this topic about Child Safety and its dirty tactics has certainly attracted some attention after today lunch session at Uni.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 11:39:PM
Hello,

WantsJustice I want to you to know that I empathise with you in your situation.

Thank you ihategov for giving advice - I wouldn't know what to do. I would have to ring legal aid and quiz them about this scenario.

Reading all comments with great interest.

Cheers.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 13 Oct 2008 11:57:PM
Young, old, man, women, we all have one thing in common and that is we all despise DOCS.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 12:00:AM
Hello again,

ihategov I will put those link onto this site so if others are interested in looking as well -

Horizons (internal docs magazines

http://www.childsafety.qld.au/magazine/2006-09/stafffocus1.html

........

and an interesting article on how 'Queensland again tops new spending on child safety'. It goes on to say how queensland is serious about child safety.The budge was A$503 million for 2006 - 2007.
(So think about that tax payers - where your money is going)

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/magazine/2007-02/index.html

.........

Can you all find it through this address? I basically goggled 'my department of child safety story' and that is how I came across this.

Now I don't know that much detail about court stuff and what ihatedocs is explaining about albeit it is very interesting.

Just what do you viewers want to hear about. Have you got any questions for us? Don't be afraid to write something.

cheers.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 12:10:AM

PS the first link does not work.


3 Million Dollars BOOST!!!

Next year it will be more.
Because we have a useless Government with a endless pit of money to waste on DOCS.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 12:20:AM
Hello,

I have come across data that quotes statistics on how many in every 100 children/ families have dealings with this most hated government department. Do you want me to find out some more statistics like this?

I can also write extracts from my personal journal from when docs was involved in our lives - I can tell you the events surrounding me finding out my child was abused whilst in foster care nad how docs were hushing it up. Is this relevant to place on this forum?
..........
Also I got a letter back from CMC today, it reads -

Dear .........,

RE: YOUR CONCERNS

Thank you for your letter of 26 September, in which you request information about your complaint to the CMC concerning officers of the Department fo Child Safety.
As advised in our letter to you of 28 December 2007, the matter has been referred to the department to deal with, subject to the CMC's monitoring role. The department has a legislative obligation to advise you about how it has decided to deal with your concerns.
In order to further your queries about the progress of the matter, please contact Mr......, themanager of the department's Ethical Standards Unit on (07) 3247 5977.
I trust the above infromation is of assistance.
Yours sincerely,

........

...........................................

I must admit with these letters that I receive I keep openning them up thinking that some letter is going to read 'stop fucking with us (docs i.e.)- we will screw you once and for all..'.

Nothing like a bit of paranoid thinking surrounding any dealings/ complaints against this most hated government department!!
But I think a bit of paranoia is warranted as I have seen first hand what can happen.
The ex CSO told me that some of them are 'vindictive'.
I know at the end of the day there is nothing safe about the department of child safety.
It is not about what is in the best interests of the child.
And as my old psych. lecturer used to say - 'and who's needs are we meeting?' - that was in response to the way in which we might deal with patients in our care.
Q: So I ask this question now in regards to docs and 'whose needs are these corrup docs workers meeting?'.
A: I think it is to boost up their own egos. Probably (women) with very little power in their own lives.
cheers.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 02:59:AM
You know what guys, I thank God I found this site, you are what gives me/us inspiration to fight and not alone. I am posting this website on all of my pages I have, and hope that others in the same situation join, I know there are thousands out there in the same boat as us, but have no idea what to do or where to start to fight of the most evil department ever created.

This has also become so political now too, someone has to take up a stand to these murdering bastards.

I would like to thank you all for your fantastic support and advise.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 11:44:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I have come across data that quotes statistics on how many in every 100 children/ families have dealings with this most hated government department. Do you want me to find out some more statistics like this?


You have my blessing go for it.

Originally Posted by thisisgood


I can also write extracts from my personal journal from when docs was involved in our lives - I can tell you the events surrounding me finding out my child was abused whilst in foster care nad how docs were hushing it up. Is this relevant to place on this forum?


Yes it is as it shows how DOCS tries to cover its mistakes.
Originally Posted by thisisgood

..........
Also I got a letter back from CMC today, it reads -


This what I don't like about the CMC, You ring them with a complaint which is logged and they send you back to DOCS and all they do is try to protect their own.
Trust me its only when there is a big stink that the CMC comes out of the woodwork and decides to do something.
So lets give the CMC something to smell starting here.

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 12:06:PM
You know this out of control Department of Child Safety with a budget of over a half a billion dollars wants more money from the State Government so it can employ more CSO's, More CSO's More the kids about to be stolen from their parents for whatever reason.
Trust me some parents today do deserve a visit from DOCS and deserve to never see their kids again but I will say it again because I have not said it this week.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR ONLY CRIME IS STANDING UP TO THE DOCS BITCH and everything after that escalates out of control by some well placed lies, and weeks later the lies of DOCS Continues by some well placed Crayons, (luckily that my eldest picked that and complained to them about having 15 crayons and out of that only three were of a lighter colour).
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 12:35:PM


Please All.

New members Joining but not posting but PM'ing me for information

I will not answer any more question VIA PM's regarding anything to do with the Department of Child Safety or other matters for a new member that have just joined and have not posted yet. .
Its not fair for me as this morning I has 18 PM's from non posting members,yes members that have joined but have not posted at all.
I know possibly you are scared to post on this site for whatever reason as DOCS will intimidate you and threaten you if you go public (usual trick I will take your kids of you, and how do I know this! they said this to my wife) but to hell with DOCS as you have the given right to go anywhere and do what you want except for giving confidential information of a child under 18, and the bitches names and addresses on any forum.
Mind you after the bitch gets convicted in a court of law the above is a bit different.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 12:41:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood

The ex CSO told me that some of them are 'vindictive'.


I missed this one, and you are 100% spot on, never truer words spoken.
Posted By: shallowater Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 03:09:PM
Im reading stuff sent to me in the mail, AT THE MOMENT. i will see were this goes.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 03:45:PM
Fucking hell!!
I don't know If i'm allowed to mention what school where this info came from but at a P&C meeting here at a public school in North Brisbane DoCS has been knocking on the door of the principals office daily for a full week, The lady speaking at the P&C said its not unusual for them to come to the school two or three times a week but this is starting to become ridiculous.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 03:46:PM
Fuck I hate the CSA and now DoCS
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 03:49:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT


Please All.

New members Joining but not posting but PM'ing me for information

I will not answer any more question VIA PM's regarding anything to do with the Department of Child Safety or other matters for a new member that have just joined and have not posted yet. .
Its not fair for me as this morning I has 18 PM's from non posting members,yes members that have joined but have not posted at all.
I know possibly you are scared to post on this site for whatever reason as DOCS will intimidate you and threaten you if you go public (usual trick I will take your kids of you, and how do I know this! they said this to my wife) but to hell with DOCS as you have the given right to go anywhere and do what you want except for giving confidential information of a child under 18, and the bitches names and addresses on any forum.
Mind you after the bitch gets convicted in a court of law the above is a bit different.


Poor bastard! DoCS are going to fill this forum with that many dudes that you will regret your ever started it
Posted By: musicman Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 08:10:PM
I have been away for a few weeks and this thread has gone ape, I will have to sit down for a few days just to catch up on whats been going on.
I see Cathy the stirrer is back as she always goes where the action is but in all the lot of you three cheers for you all and up yours any government department that behave this way.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 11:38:PM
Originally Posted by shallowater
Im reading stuff sent to me in the mail, AT THE MOMENT. i will see were this goes.

From my experience and a few others the threatening and other crap will never come via the mail as they are not that stupid to leave a smelly paper trail.
There is one thing I have learn't about them and that is they're all brainwashed by the same manual, there like robots trying to destroy their enemy but the trouble is sometime they try to destroy the innocent and the wrong person.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 14 Oct 2008 11:40:PM
Originally Posted by musicman
I have been away for a few weeks and this thread has gone ape, I will have to sit down for a few days just to catch up on whats been going on.
I see Cathy the stirrer is back as she always goes where the action is but in all the lot of you three cheers for you all and up yours any government department that behave this way.


Musicman
Long time no see, yes Cathy does her bit in the shit shoveling department
Posted By: Notvyet Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 15 Oct 2008 12:03:AM

you no australia make me sick as you have to much bulshit in this country
i am serb but i was born in macedonian i hate macedonia the wife and family are serbian what a headache but we come to australia for new life as war kill most of my oldre family so we escape war to come to sydney and drunk driver kill my daughter and smat law man make him free man
you have to much bulshit in this country as australia never has had war here no murder no rape of women murder young like back home no noting
just winge because australia has noting better to do and makes people like this docks that get everyone in troble
do you think we have this docks in where i come from no we have no comminist pigs in our country as they would not last a minute if some like docks try to take child.
in my country you toch or take my children the family come after you and you finish
what make australa with al this bulshit docks docks rubbish weak country weak people corupt people where i come from the law is the gun australia weak auatralia need war and this docks rubish go away
it like storm
storm come clean the sky
war come to australa on day and docs forget rubbish and dress for war.
sorry poor english
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 15 Oct 2008 01:07:AM
Good evening,

Great comments and reading tonight.

Ihategov - without knowing what these people PM you about and don't write it here. I wonder if some of them are going through the docs process of being taken legally taken to the highway to hell. They are probably too scared to write due to fear of repercussion from this department. Remember what the ex-CSO said 'some docs workers are vindictive' so if this is the case of them not wanting to publicly discuss their concerns due to this fact, then I can hardly blame them for choosing to PM you.
This group of people are very vulnerable.

Now about the issue of 'some parents deserving to have their kids taken off them' or however that was put. I really believe that ultimately a child is best with their primary care-givers. Some parents look pretty rough to me, but I am not to judge. This is where I think the government should be putting more bucks into PREVENTION. So if some families are identified as high needs with children at risk, parenting issues etc THEN there needs to be more community services available like the likes of Triple P parenting courses, lifeline courses, Amend. But from where I stand in the world there isn't a huge lot of these programs around that is easily accessible to parents. Docs intervention is very heavy handed and punitive - I don't believe this whole current process of tearing families apart (gosh, not to mention the confabulations and conspiracies by docs workers to keep the family apart is justifiable anymore. This current whole way of intervening in families is archaic and draconian in approach. Just because a parent has had a mental health issue or drug and alcohol problem does not warrent a child being removed from their home. It's just not good enough to have one part of the government saying that we work on 'harminimisation' and another department (i.e. docs) coming from a whole different paradigm.
I, along with many other health professionals in this community believe that going straight to this extreme measures that docs employ is vastly useless to building stronger families and hence communities.

Yes, to EW, I have problems understanding the operations of CSA as well. How can the father of my child be completely exempt from paying child support (yes, that is $0.00) until Nov 2009. Father lives interstate and see child 1/2 school holidays and when it suits him otherwise. Then a girlfriend of mine has one son living with her and the other son lives with his father and SHE has to PAY the father about $160 per week because she is the higher earner, and that son who lives (son chooses this, as both boys are teenagers under 15 yo) with his father still sees her on weekends and whenever. The CSA is another tragic organisation. I (of course i would have) rung them up and said how can this be?
Oops, getting of the main subject here.

Yes, I am concerned about this report of docs knocking on the priniciples door every day in one week. I believe this and am not surprised. I wonder which branch of docs? Must be Strathpine/ Burpengary.

Good on you Notvyet for writing that comment. It is so true. Australia is going mad. Politicians in this country are so far removed from the real world of what is happening out there to the little man. I was only saying this today to like minded workers who are at the coal face of today's reality. (We were discussing the issue of homeless people and how the government are doing very little and don't recognise this problem.)
Anyway why spend money on social issues (such as the need for increasing parenting confidence and skill, homelessness, poverty, indigenous health, etc when you can spend money on terrorism/ security. Look at your safety net for the poorest Australians - it doesn't matter really to the government. Votes, money, power, greed.

And finally (it's 10pm) I will write more of my journal on here. And yes, I will look up statistics and other tid bits of information that (I find interesting) may be useful to someone.

And really finally now think about ways to get this message across. What could we do?
I personally think a lobby group needs to start up to repeal this current child protection act.
Do you have a social conscience? I do.
Cheers.



Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 15 Oct 2008 01:13:AM
EDIT - oops, typo - it should read above (re: CSA comment) that the mother sees her son who lives with his father on weekends and whenever. Not what I typed out?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 15 Oct 2008 11:25:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Good evening,

Great comments and reading tonight.

Ihategov - without knowing what these people PM you about and don't write it here. I wonder if some of them are going through the docs process of being taken legally taken to the highway to hell. They are probably too scared to write due to fear of repercussion from this department.


You are 100% spot on what you say above
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 15 Oct 2008 11:58:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood


Now about the issue of 'some parents deserving to have their kids taken off them' or however that was put. I really believe that ultimately a child is best with their primary care-givers. Some parents look pretty rough to me, but I am not to judge. This is where I think the government should be putting more bucks into PREVENTION.




Again I agree.
I personally know of one family that her husband did bash her twice but I knew the guy and I noticed he had signs of depression.
1/ He worked for a 2 bob company and every 24 months or so workers were made to sign new workplace agreements and you guesses it each time the wages went down.

2/ He continually told his wife to stop smoking to save money (forget about the health side of it)

3/ The boss sent him to work like others at a long distance from home after their traveling expenses were removed. (Petrol)
4/ Interest rates (Behind in their mortgage)
5/ Fights at home as he would come home and find the house untidy and wife sitting on her arse + sister in law always there in the ear of his wife.
6/ Husband bans sister in law coming over the house as this stop his wife doing home duties from monday to friday Sat and Sun ok
7/ sister in law puts complaints in to Police that he hit his wife
8/ Cops come, the wife said its only happened twice and she didn't want charges laid. Cops say to husband get help!
9/ Can't get help as he works 6 days a week
10/ Sister in law rings DOCS and tells them he is bashing the wife and the kids.
11/ DOCS visit him but nothing gets done because they find no evidence.
12/ Sister in Law rings DOCS again but this time she said he was sexually touching them
13/ DOCS and JAB come, remove him from the house.
14/ He sets more into depression
15/ He loses his Job
16/ They lose the house.
17/ The wife and the kids now live with sister in law.
18/ The sister in law now happy
19/ May she rot in hell
20/ How do I know this happened.
21/ After getting booted out from my house where did you think I lived for a long time (time not specified) I have eyes you know, no money, I tried helping with the money but was not enough, kids want this, she wants that, he waste money sometimes via gambling and what you have above is a mess
and in my eyes prevention would have been betten than a DOCS cure that was never proven and he was never charged by the Police with anything so work that out.

The above is true and a fucking disgrace.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 15 Oct 2008 06:56:PM
The forum today has had an update and from now on it will be called Department of Child Safety.
Because that one and only thread has been getting so long and the important articles are getting lost
the owner and myself have decided to give it an update.

From now on you will be able to start a new thread in this dedicated forum
.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 01:01:AM
Hi All, My partner asked me to post this on here, as he has no access to a computer as yet, as i mentioned before Docs took that right away from him too, also just a little update, I had a visitor tonight, police, came searching the house again to see if my partner was hiding here, as the so called carer that is meant to be looking after him, told DOCs and police that he was back a the house. Guess who ended up with egg on their face...Yeps the police, they went straight around to where my parnter is staying to check....How good did that make us feel, just another complaint we can put towards the carer.

Okay this is what he has asked me to put on this site. Hopefully next week he may be up and running and can contribute here.

SA will make the same mistakes as QLD did

Its not about Truth. Its not about inoccents. Its about bussiness.

From Queensland to South Australia, It is the governments bussiness to destroy families.

The local police, Without investigating, Will take the words of Family SA(DOCS) and march in a normal home and Abuse the law and that family.

They have already pre-judged with only the words of a corrupted department

They will place you on the streets and leave you there to die.

They will also demand that the partner WILL stop the relationship or she will have her children removed.

Nazi stand of tactics, Yet Rudd stated No one is above the law. But Family SA(DOCS) are way over, Rudd stated, No more children will be stolen. Yet Family SA(DOCS) are still doing the stealing. And a new Stolen generation begins.

Justice?., Australia dont have this justice. here the government calls it 'Cover Up'.

And people from other countries want to come here to start a new life. I would relocate, Dont come if you value your family. Stay away from here, Cos, once these penis smokers from child safety set their claws into you, your life is over. Its 'bussiness' as normal for the australian government to remove children from you, it is the governments bussiness to take as much as they can from you. Your best Asset....is your children, they are a commodity and will be abused.

Human rights WILL not help you, for you do not fall under a heading to be a human for the help.

But, remember this, it IS the government that made this law to steal children, They placed that Law into our lives. Yet when we complain to them of this abuse, they heads of government reply with, we cant help.
Posted By: Notvyet Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 10:52:AM
wat roung with this country ever one say same story this country mad no war in this country make people war between themselve this docks nazi the way they do this i tell this to my freind i show this to my family in serbia and they say like me australa mad contry and that say same that australa need big war with say nother country and it will forget bout this docks as docks murder commonist pigs for steal children in this country so docs will have to ware uniform to fight but full of women docks i read, they no fight they cowards only good for docks shit no good for war as they put hands up.
sorry poor english
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 12:27:PM
Well this thread and views have climbed in two days...

well found some very interesting information via a brochure that is made available to Child SAfety staff that advises them of child protection research. It's called Horizon.

In the 2nd edition of Horizon, it has an article about parents experience of child protection intervention. Let's just say that child safety are very well aware of the power throw they do to parents and how scared parents feel feigning so-called care and concern etc...

I post relevant parts of this article:

November 2006 Edition 2

Parental experience of Child protection Intervention: A qualitative study
Child abuse and neglect, Vol. 30, No. 1, pp. 27-37 Gary Dumbrill 2006

This Canadian study explores parents’ experiences with the child protection system. The article considers the impact of the intervention process and interaction with child protection workers on parents.

All parents involved in the study perceived child protection services as more powerful than themselves.
Almost all participants felt the services use their power in a coercive and disciplinary manner.

Some parents reported being frightened and unable to challenge or have discussions with child protection workers, even when the allegations were unfounded.

‘Holy, man I was scared! I didn’t know where to go or
what to do. I kept saying to her, “oh here we go again”.
She said, “I’m not here to scare you”. Well you are because
you are scaring me right now, you’re in my house!’

Comment by Matthew J Armstrong Senior Practitioner South Burnett CSSC

“I guess sometimes we get so overwhelmed by rapid changes, competing demands, and the aggressive nature of some of our clients that we feel pretty powerless ourselves. This article has caused me to take stock and realise that from a parent’s perspective, we are extremely powerful forces in their lives – for good or for evil.

As a senior practitioner, I often see the broader view of complex cases and I agree with the findings of this article. Both the actual and perceived use of power can make a huge difference in any situation. Feelings
of exclusion, victimisation, and disempowerment set an underlying tone to people’s interaction with the
department.

Making a client feel validated, acknowledged and respected can completely reframe their response
to our intervention. For this reason, an analysis of power differentials is an important part of any case
discussion – commencing with a critical awareness of our own behaviour.

If I take one message away from this study, it is that we need to see each parent’s behaviour towards us in
context. It will usually make sense if we look at it from their point of view.

To quote the paper itself, we should lessen our ‘emphasis on starting intervention by understanding the ways parents view the problems that cause the need for intervention, and increase our emphasis on understanding how parents perceive us using power in the process of addressing these problems’.”



The Horizon article can be found at http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/research/documents/horizons-2006-11.pdf

page 2.

Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 01:14:PM
Originally Posted by Notvyet
wat roung with this country ever one say same story this country mad no war in this country make people war between themselve this docks nazi the way they do this i tell this to my freind i show this to my family in serbia and they say like me australa mad contry and that say same that australa need big war with say nother country and it will forget bout this docks as docks murder commonist pigs for steal children in this country so docs will have to ware uniform to fight but full of women docks i read, they no fight they cowards only good for docks shit no good for war as they put hands up.
sorry poor english


I can see your point notvyet as Australia is a lucky Country and has virtually never experienced War at its foot steps except for WW2 Japs at Darwin.
And I do agree what you say that countries like Australia with no conflict problems do suffer with internally generated problems like what DoCS is doing but you would also find other countries similar doing the same as to what DoCs does.
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 01:19:PM
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids




All parents involved in the study perceived child protection services as more powerful than themselves.
Almost all participants felt the services use their power in a coercive and disciplinary manner.

Some parents reported being frightened and unable to challenge or have discussions with child protection workers, even when the allegations were unfounded.





These bits attracted my attention
Posted By: shallowater Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 01:49:PM
my computers down, in the servo at the moment, but i'll be back soon.
Posted By: endofdays Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 03:08:PM
I have to thank the people who are responsible for this site for allowing abused families to relieve their frustrations when dealing with the Department of Child Safety.

I am another who has had vindictive allegations put against me and my family. Before we knew it the police and Child Safety were knocking on the door falsely accusing me of abusing the girl next door. Absolutely no evidence, absolutely nothing but we stupidly let them in the house to interview us and interview our children and before you know it, they asked me to leave my house, which I did following the police directive. The next day our children were removed from school and taken to a Child Safety office and kept there for a few hours. The wife received a phone call from Child Safety calling her to come to the office as they had concerns that I abused this girl next door and I would abuse my own children, but within minutes the concerns turned to fact and my wife strenuously denied it. But whilst she was there talking, the phone rang and my wife heard the CSO say "Is that auscity idiot at it again is it?" "Whats it saying this time?" "Anymore people put comments on their?" or something very similar to the above. After the wife left with our children my wife contacted me and explained to me the circumstances, that they had evidence against me, which is a crock of shit as they have no evidence as nothing has ever happened.

The wife being good with computers did a search for this auscity, autocity, oscity or whatever but eventually google found it after a while but it was hard and it made very interesting reading. I am not allowed to go anywhere near my house as they have threatened my wife that they will remove my children from home if I even come anywhere near the house.

I have to thank the people on this forum because the next day and thereafter has bought everything that has been said on this forum to life, examples trying to find out where my friends are and I was stupid enough to tell them, so they hassled them, telling them the above which I found unethical, but what was said to my friend is still not known as they also threaten him too if I come there they will lose their kids too. Within days my boss found out about it and I was asked to take some time off, days later I receive a phone call via my mobile from the mother of the child that I was supposed to have abused and spoke to her but she sounded very strange over the phone and my lawyer later warned me immediately that this phone conversation would have been recorded and this is exactly what this forum says, as my lawyer told me, although the law has just been passed, but not yet implemented for phone tapping, the police have been doing it for years with a loophole and its called pre-text telephone call, so the author of this forum is correct, they try to entrap you via a phone conversation. The wife also told that the two times they removed our children from school, once they asked the children would they like to draw some diagrams or pictures or something just to fill in some time, but now I read on this site that they use these diagrams against you and there is a possibility as said here that they are fudging the colours they give the children, are they that desperate to put an innocent man away? There is no evidence, there is nothing, all there is, is evidence of this neighbour who complains about everyone, whose daughter has been continually mistreating our cat and she has decided to retaliate against me all because of what my children did to her. I am lost for words as this is just over a month now but never in my life have truer words been said on this site as to exactly what happened to us.
I would like to ask a question if I may that they told my wife that the children will need professional counseling done by the government due to all the trauma that has happened in the last month but all the kids want is to be left alone.
Posted By: endofdays Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 03:36:PM
It did not take long but the wife just contacted me and the CSO just told her not to put anything on the internet but I will not be bullied as I will do what I have to just in case if things get out of hand.
Where I am staying now for the time being has good internet access and a friend willing to help me use it correctly.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 09:40:PM
I posted a reply at
http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=39908#Post39908
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 16 Oct 2008 09:54:PM
Originally Posted by Notvyet
wat roung with this country ever one say same story this country mad no war in this country make people war between themselve this docks nazi the way they do this i tell this to my freind i show this to my family in serbia and they say like me australa mad contry and that say same that australa need big war with say nother country and it will forget bout this docks as docks murder commonist pigs for steal children in this country so docs will have to ware uniform to fight but full of women docks i read, they no fight they cowards only good for docks shit no good for war as they put hands up.
sorry poor english


I can relate to a few points you talk about here as Australia is a bored country and thrives on bullshit and this DOCS is nothing but bullshit for what they do.
I could just imagine what would happen if DOCS ever knocked on your door back in the days of war (we all know that would never happen)to remove your children.
The best thing about this DOCKS like you call them here in QLD and the rest of the similar governments dept in the country is when your last child is over the age of 18 this DOCKS can DOCKS off.
Ever since I started this years ago the two MAJOR PM's I was getting was related too.
1/ Need help as DOCS have come into our life.
2/ Thank you after reading this we have decided not to have any kids as we want to enjoy ourselves and not be burdened with children.
PS DO YOU BLAME THEM.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 17 Oct 2008 11:14:PM
Hello,
I know I have been bit quiet lately. I have been tired and busy with other things in life. But I intend to keep posting stuff about docs.
Cheers.
Posted By: endofdays Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 18 Oct 2008 05:44:PM
Good on you because I will.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 18 Oct 2008 08:36:PM
Originally Posted by jaremt
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids




All parents involved in the study perceived child protection services as more powerful than themselves.
Almost all participants felt the services use their power in a coercive and disciplinary manner.

Some parents reported being frightened and unable to challenge or have discussions with child protection workers, even when the allegations were unfounded.





These bits attracted my attention


This is so true, they use their stand over tactics and use the children against you. Of course we are intimidated and scared. We get told do nothing until your lawyer gets there, but when it is late at night and your lawyer cant be contacted.... What do you do???? They certainly scare me...For days and night people like me sit there waiting just for another unannounced visit from them
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 18 Oct 2008 09:43:PM
WoW more joining and plenty to read
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 18 Oct 2008 09:44:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by jaremt
Originally Posted by LovingMyKids




All parents involved in the study perceived child protection services as more powerful than themselves.
Almost all participants felt the services use their power in a coercive and disciplinary manner.

Some parents reported being frightened and unable to challenge or have discussions with child protection workers, even when the allegations were unfounded.





These bits attracted my attention


This is so true, they use their stand over tactics and use the children against you. Of course we are intimidated and scared. We get told do nothing until your lawyer gets there, but when it is late at night and your lawyer cant be contacted.... What do you do???? They certainly scare me...For days and night people like me sit there waiting just for another unannounced visit from them


And they know this and this is the reason why sometimes they do it this way.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 19 Oct 2008 02:33:PM
50,000 Views
WoW, I won't be happy until I see 1,000,000 Views or better still every Adult in this Country that has viewed this site.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 19 Oct 2008 03:29:PM
I have lost 2 partners and 3 children in a space of 4 yrs. these partners caved in to DOCS brainwashing tactics and love becomes hate. Now, DOCS and Family SA are working on my 3rd partner(WantsJustice). She is a strong woman , a good mother, she stands up for the truth.
Family SA stand over tactics are no different to DOCS in QLD.
But, because WantsJustice wont give up on me, Family SA uses their scare tactics, when that didnt work, they now plan to remove her daughter. DOCS might as well place a gun to her head for the actions is unwarranted.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 19 Oct 2008 03:44:PM
I do know that even if you're not convicted in a court of law on Child abuse and you have jumped from one female partner to another DOCS here in QLD does warn your new partner if they can find her or if you live with her that you were charged with sex Offenses but not proven in court, they hope you haven't told your new girlfriend the above. Now this is mainly used if the new Girlfriend has kids and I am totally against this as this alone proves that DOCS are above the law. If you were fount guilty, spent time in jail well that could be a little different.
Remember what I said before If you're found not guilty in Court DOCS doesn't recognize that as the Crown looks at that they the Crown had insufficient evidence to sink you. Now that is sick! see you're never innocent and you lose either way.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 19 Oct 2008 07:00:PM
I dont have the funds to do as I like to do.
I cant afford a lawyer, legal aid is a joke.
hence why I mentioned a kind of rally at the PM's front door. media will jump on that.
Its good to come to pages like this and voice out our hurts of pain and suffering.
Words are just words till action is giving.
Docs in most cases only rely on words that only they have written down.
Its those words from DOCS that murders life.
I have NO issue when DOCS get it right.
BUT!!!! when they get it wrong and add more to it to enhance their claims, Thats what needs to be investigated, just like the Forde Inquiry did and found them (DOCS) to be the abusers.
DOCS also has a criminal record and that can be used against them( I know,I use it already on them)
At the end of the day the more you attack them,the more hell is made for you.
I have nothing else to live for,DOCS murdered my family and me,not once, or twice, but 3 times,the 3rd is still with me fighting back.she gives me the reason to lash back to DOCS to run them down in the best way I know how, With Truth.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 19 Oct 2008 07:41:PM
Well guys, when does it stop, they are still nipping at my head, my eldest gets a phone call today, telling her that they are going to take my daughter away, going to court to get the court order, as they have a someone that has witnessed my partner coming into the house with my daughter there, unbelievable, I wasnt even home Saturday night i was out to dinner, and my elder daughter and friend babysat my younger daughter, we have receipts, proof etc to say we were out, and during the conversation the same as she said to my daughter she said to me, and I know where this false report came from, the guy that was meant to be helping my partner, that kicked him out of the slum he was in, and told the police he was at my house on the thursday night also. He is also on charges for giving false reports to the police prior. Surely you would think Docs and the Police would put two and two together, but no they are looking for every bit of ammunition to destroy the love in this family and to cop it all off the hitler at Docs said she had my best interest at heart.....My lawyer said just sit back and wait for them to get the court order, then wait for her to be removed, before she can do anything... Well I wrote the above half hour ago, and just had to say goodbye to my daughter, My eldest daughter has just taken her away for the week. That was so hard for me to do, but i know she will be safe and away from those frken ass holes that say they have the best interests of the child at heart.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 19 Oct 2008 08:45:PM
thats exactly the same rubbish they used against me. See when they raided my house expecting to find me home, which I was not, which I was 30 kms away, like I said on another post, they sent General duty or highway patrol cops around, who knew nothing about what was going on except I wasn't supposed to be there. Now in my FOI document, it said that my neighbour spotted me there and reported me to the Department of Child Safety. The only trouble is I live on 50 acres and you can't see any of my neighbours. But this shows you how stupid the police were, whilst the police were trolling around my house, my wife rang me immediately on my mobile where I was 30 kms away like I said. I immediately got off the phone whilst the cops were still there and rang my lawyer and got some information. I immediately rang home again whilst the cops were walking out of the house and this is all I needed. By using my mobile phone both ways, it leaves a footprint, please check your telephone bill, you will find your mobile phone connects to a particular mobile phone tower, so how could I be at the house and one minute later, be 30 kms away talking on a mobile, connected to this tower. Please check your bills, this is just one of the 18 ways I have fucked the police and DOCS. They are ignorant on technology and I will use it against them. This DOCS mole that started all this, stating that I was there was an absolute fucking liar and she went into DENIAL, DOCS's favourite word, denial followed by GROOMING.


Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 19 Oct 2008 09:29:PM
I sit down to enjoy my dinner a 6PM and what do i see on CH 7, POLICE CORRUPTION BIG TIME AT THE Gold Coast and Surfers Paradise.
Please watch / read the papers as I missed most of it.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 12:15:AM
Just finished watching the update on the evening news on Channel 7 and it seems the shit has hit the fan with dirty cops lying to get search warrants, Arresting innocent people just to get the numbers up in the arrest ranks to make the fat pigs look good.
This is only a start but on the other side it took a honest cop to blow the whistle on these bastards.
Now did someone say the Police don't Lie?, Did someone say the Police and DOCS don't set someone up only because you pissed them off, did someone say the Police don't lie under oath or ever do anything wrong, did someone ever say that Police never break any of the laws they force on us.
It make me happy when I read or see stories like this and don't worry guys and gals as it will happen one day that DOCS will split open and the pollies will say we never knew?, Nobody ever told us this was happening.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 01:18:AM
Hello,

I have read all the above comments with great interest. Even though I have had dealing with docs on a personal and professional level there is a lot of information that is new (should I say awakening about docs) to me so I am soaking it all in.
You know from what I see docssniper you are fucked really. I think docs operate the first time they are notified they act very casually. Second time they are notified they spring into action and start to pull out all guns. Mate, this is the third time. Docs may as well just literally hang you!! I am not trying to be nasty or put you down but I do also think you are all too fully aware of how they operate. So how are you going to play the game now? I am glad you are on this forum. I did mention to wantsjustice that you should change your name to Dennis and then you might get housed at the cost of the government. Sorry, about being sarcastic and half smart but I can't help it.

You know I keep asking myself this question - why do they need to falsify their information for the courts? I mean, shees, if the parent was so bad, and so unsuitable to care for their own child then surely they don't need to falsify their records. I have experienced this plenty of times whilst docs were involved in my life. I actually should go through my stuff and count the actual intentional lies! Probably around 20 or so at a guess.

Yes, docs like to bluff people with their super powers! But they told me 'we are more powerful than the family courts'. And the intimidation and bullying is first class. They are experts in these kind of tactics.

I am concerned that you have all this political posturing from the government about how good this system is (see all those key words on their docs' sites about accountability, partnerships, prevention etc etc ,yet it is a smoke screen to what actually goes on.

I worked out 1 in 40 children in the state of queensland experience a notification put on them. Yep, that works out to be about 1 kid in every 1 and a half class rooms. No wonder docs officers are constantly up at the schools.
I worked this out by reading through the statistics printed on -

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/performance/child-protection/intake/notifications.html.

Have a look and see for yourself.

There is a whole heap of other stuff to chew through posted on this internet address. It make child safety sound all glossy but in fact I think it is all gloomy.

And I am sure it is only going to get worse. Especially whilst there are no internal changes made.

I also wonder why is this government department is made so 'user unfriendly'?
Only now am I becoming more aware about how this organisation operate. I am only now understanding how I should have fought my case back in 2006. I am learning more all the time. So if I was supposed to have had a good solicitor back then and also am reasonably educated why did I have so much trouble understanding it all? I wonder what about all those people who are completely steam rolled over by this government department. The ones who don't understand to get legal help, the ones who don't know what to do. These are the one's who need our help. Some probably don't know how to even turn on a computer and therefore no idea that sites like this exist.

I think the government in all fairness to the community needs to have an organisation independent to docs that assists parents with the docs process. A NGO that would advocate for the truth! Is that too much to ask? Oh, the cost. Yes, what was the budget for docs again? 50 million or something.

I'm glad for all of us that have found our voice here, glad that we can all feel supported by each other and are in total solidarity about the injustices of this government department.

Oh yeah, another issue that I want to raise that seems to not be mentioned yet is the way in which docs interventions alienate you from your family and friends. I remember telling someone what happened in my life. This was a long time friend and they have never rung me ever again. They have scrubbed me off their christmas card list literally. I have been sending them xmas cards for 2006,2007 and not received one back and they used to ring me quite regularly. These folk knew my life inside out. They never thought I was dodgy before.
And then there is my sibling. We were close all our lives before - like best friends. The lies and abandonment from her was unreal. I know I could never have a trusting relationship with that sister ever again. I am sorrowful that I saw this exposed in my sister.
So your ties with others become loosened and you soon see who will stick with you through this trial of fire. You see the sorting of the chaff and then see what's (or who rather is) actually left in your life.
People who don't understand this government organisation's modus operandi will drop you like a hot cake. You become branded whether you are innocent or not.

As ihategov once said - if you ever want to get back at someone - don't dob them into centrelink, no - don't dob them into the taxation office. Just go for the jugular and dob them into the Department of Child Safety. Then sit back and watch their lives become undone.

Yes, it is really gut wrenching to see the grief on a parent's face when docs don't want to give the child back.
They (docs) say something like - 'we are going to keep this child longer. We will extend this to a 28 day temporary assessment order (TAO) so we can investigate more thoroughly'.
My interpretation in my head says to myself - 'Yeah right, let's gather more dirt on you and crucify you. fuck the child, we have due process to follow and a duty of care towards the child..'.

I would like to know what the duty of care is for this government body in the way in which they misconstrue the truth and tell out right porky pies in court. The way this organisation intentionally delays reunification through outright and deliberate lies. Where's the duty of care towards the child now? Oops, thrown out the window.

Another thing that really annoys me - how they say 'heaps of people complain about docs' as if it is a problem with the parent. Well why shouldn't the parent complain. Having your child ripped off you compares to nothing one has ever felt in life before. The intensity of grief, despair, turmoil and anger that these parents feel. The grief and shame. Then not to mention the bullying, lies and 'process' that the family is subjected to.

The whole process is wrong. It is not in the best interests of the child. I don't understand how docs can be allowed to operate like this - it is not conducive to best practice this day and age.

I s'pose little will be done now that the economy is spiralling into recession. But I bet docs will keep their large budget to continue to snatch and grab and confabulate.
If there was reform to these current practices then I am sure the budget wouldn't need to be so big. I reckon they must have spent about 1/2 million on my case alone desperately trying to prove I was mad, bad and a totally unfit mother. There were no gains to be had.

Anyway I could keep rambling on. I am just thinking and typing as it comes into my head.

But at the end of the day I am glad I experinced docs heavy and punitive hand as I know just what really goes on. I am no longer angry but still shake my head when I read their glossy words and crap as I know in reality this isn't the case.
I can use my experience to help others in some way.

Remember are you willing to protect your child?

Are you able to protect your child?

docs will twist around what they say to point evidence in court that you are neither a willing or able to protect this chid! That's is their framework.
e.g. she is not the protective parent in that she remained in a D.V.or child sex offending relationship.
And what are your protective strategies in place for keeping your child safe?
Remember to say (to those nazis) that you made a poor choice, you have learnt from this experience and will modify your behaviour. And you have to describe how you will do this.
Tell them (those bastards) what changes you are employing into your life and tell them what help you are seeking now. e.g. see you GP and get a mental health referral to seek psychological
input.
Tell them (those fuckwits)that you are being pro-active and getting help for your problems you are seeing a domestic violence counsellor, a drug and alcohol worker, doing a PPP parenting course.
Learn to play the game their way (it's a legal game) and show them just what you can do.
Ask for more access visits, get letters into them requesting this.
Remember docs are not their to help you, they are just there to 'protect the child' ( and inadvertently make your life hell along the way).
Learn what the rules of docs game is and therefore learn how you can effectively play it.

And stay connected with this forum. Express your anger here. Find your new supports in this fight.
Remember you are not alone.
cheers.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 01:39:AM
Hi,
Look I am sorry I am such a pessimist but I think this whistle blower will somehow be silenced. It won't go any further. It makes good and shocking news for the masses but they won't go much further with it. I bet it will get squashed somehow.
Yet, we all know the truth about the police (and docs for that matter). If you did a survey of the community it would reveal that most people believe that the police are shonky.
But nothing will be done, it is all too hard for the government to clean up.
And the people sleep on in apathy.

Power corrupts
Total power totally corrupts.

So when the police and docs are given unlimited power of course these services are going to attract a certain type of person. These people would be quite pathological. They also know they belong to the untouchable class in society.

I could place a bet that that news will get swept under the carpet and forgotten about.
And the corruption will continue.

Usually I am an upbeat, positive person. But about these corrupt government bodies I am totally cynical.
cheers.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 12:32:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,



You know I keep asking myself this question - why do they need to falsify their information for the courts? I mean, shees, if the parent was so bad, and so unsuitable to care for their own child then surely they don't need to falsify their records. I have experienced this plenty of times whilst docs were involved in my life. I actually should go through my stuff and count the actual intentional lies! Probably around 20 or so at a guess.


I have asked the same question 100 times and I am lost for words.
Originally Posted by thisisgood

Yes, docs like to bluff people with their super powers! But they told me 'we are more powerful than the family courts'. And the intimidation and bullying is first class. They are experts in these kind of tactics.


I totally agree
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I worked out 1 in 40 children in the state of queensland experience a notification put on them. Yep, that works out to be about 1 kid in every 1 and a half class rooms. No wonder docs officers are constantly up at the schools.
I worked this out by reading through the statistics printed on -

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/performance/child-protection/intake/notifications.html.

Have a look and see for yourself.


It has been said on this forum a few time that in QLD DOCS are visiting schools now on a daily basis terrorising our children with tape recorder stuck into their young faces.
We are not talking about a 14-16 year old I am talking about the 6 to 10 year old that get confronted by two thugs dressed like bikies (sorry the real bikies I respect you lot) and asking the young children while a toothless tiger called the headmaster stand there like a stale bottle of piss and watches a young child crying and does nothing.
You tell me who the real child abuser are.
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I think the government in all fairness to the community needs to have an organisation independent to docs that assists parents with the docs process. A NGO that would advocate for the truth! Is that too much to ask? Oh, the cost. Yes, what was the budget for docs again? 50 million or something.


50 million? I thinks its alot mare then 50 Million, Didn't someone say the figure?
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I'm glad for all of us that have found our voice here, glad that we can all feel supported by each other and are in total solidarity about the injustices of this government department.


Yes I'm glade too (HaHaHa) after all I was shocked what happened to us but I was deeply offended the way 3 CSO's went about our case as they continually lied in just about all areas. Just think moles your lies are a direct product of this forum popping up so its simple to understand no lies would have meant no forum
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I remember telling someone what happened in my life. This was a long time friend and they have never rung me ever again. They have scrubbed me off their christmas card list literally. I have been sending them xmas cards for 2006,2007 and not received one back and they used to ring me quite regularly. These folk knew my life inside out. They never thought I was dodgy before.
And then there is my sibling. We were close all our lives before - like best friends. The lies and abandonment from her was unreal. I know I could never have a trusting relationship with that sister ever again. I am sorrowful that I saw this exposed in my sister.


Same here except its some of my friends and not my family
Originally Posted by thisisgood


People who don't understand this government organisation's modus operandi will drop you like a hot cake. You become branded whether you are innocent or not.

I agree with you 100%

Originally Posted by thisisgood


As ihategov once said - if you ever want to get back at someone - don't dob them into centrelink, no - don't dob them into the taxation office. Just go for the jugular and dob them into the Department of Child Safety. Then sit back and watch their lives become undone.

Yes I said that
Originally Posted by thisisgood



Another thing that really annoys me - how they say 'heaps of people complain about docs' as if it is a problem with the parent. Well why shouldn't the parent complain. Having your child ripped off you compares to nothing one has ever felt in life before. The intensity of grief, despair, turmoil and anger that these parents feel. The grief and shame. Then not to mention the bullying, lies and 'process' that the family is subjected to.

The bulling tactics, the lies, I will never forget what they done to my wife.
Originally Posted by thisisgood


The whole process is wrong. It is not in the best interests of the child. I don't understand how docs can be allowed to operate like this - it is not conducive to best practice this day and age.

I agree and they get away with it.
Originally Posted by thisisgood



docs will twist around what they say to point evidence in court that you are neither a willing or able to protect this chid! That's is their framework.
e.g. she is not the protective parent in that she remained in a D.V.or child sex offending relationship.
And what are your protective strategies in place for keeping your child safe?
Remember to say (to those nazis) that you made a poor choice, you have learnt from this experience and will modify your behaviour. And you have to describe how you will do this.
Tell them (those bastards) what changes you are employing into your life and tell them what help you are seeking now. e.g. see you GP and get a mental health referral to seek psychological
input.
Tell them (those fuckwits)that you are being pro-active and getting help for your problems you are seeing a domestic violence counsellor, a drug and alcohol worker, doing a PPP parenting course.
Learn to play the game their way (it's a legal game) and show them just what you can do.
Ask for more access visits, get letters into them requesting this.
Remember docs are not their to help you, they are just there to 'protect the child' ( and inadvertently make your life hell along the way).
Learn what the rules of docs game is and therefore learn how you can effectively play it.

And stay connected with this forum. Express your anger here. Find your new supports in this fight.
Remember you are not alone.



I will say this again for all to read and if I have to I will repeat it 100 more times.
We all know when docs knocks on your door all of us got a shock but most of us think we have been treated differently well NO as these bitches and a few pricks are all trained from the same manual and this is the reason why a lot of us have similarities in our cases but I would like to know where in their manual the lying bit comes into it because I can't find it or maybe they got that lying bit from those corrupt cops down the Gold Coast that lied, falsified evidence to get court orders to get search warrants and arrest innocent people.

I WANT TO SEE SOMEONE EFFECTED IN THIS AREAS SUE THE BLIGH GOVERNMENT FOR MILLIONS!!!!!!
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 08:04:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
[quote=thisisgood]Hello,




I WANT TO SEE SOMEONE EFFECTED IN THIS AREAS SUE THE BLIGH GOVERNMENT FOR MILLIONS!!!!!!



That is my dying wish, oh no there is another one, the ass holes get shut down too, and have some other independent agency that works on the real cases that is needed, and helps the children that are really abused.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 08:28:PM
And this mess is continuing, don't you love our honest police, mind you maybe this is where DOCS learnt the tricks of the trade.
I will be adding more of this in the Police thread.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 08:35:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
[quote=thisisgood]Hello,




I WANT TO SEE SOMEONE EFFECTED IN THIS AREAS SUE THE BLIGH GOVERNMENT FOR MILLIONS!!!!!!



That is my dying wish, oh no there is another one, the ass holes get shut down too, and have some other independent agency that works on the real cases that is needed, and helps the children that are really abused.

Yes!!!

Its only a matter of time and DOCS will TITANIC itself, aus-city and other sites will remind the government when its in DENIAL.

ooohhhh Not DENIAL THATS A DOCS WORD closely followed by GROOMING!

(PS Do you know once you contradict the Department of Child safety on anything you're in
DENIAL!)
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:25:PM
The first 9 minutes of tonight news was about this Police Corruption around the Gold Coast and it going to get worst.
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:27:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
50,000 Views
WoW, I won't be happy until I see 1,000,000 Views or better still every Adult in this Country that has viewed this site.

Yes one day later and another 3000 on the queue
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:40:PM
Hello,

Yes, Ihategov I like that bit you wrote -
if there were NO LIES then there would be NO FORUM!!!
I am so glad that docs targeted you ihategov because by picking on you ( a person who can get this forum happening) look at what monster they have inadvertently created!
So in a round about way those unethical power hungry docs idiots have had a reverse effect from their lies. Jolly good. It is funny how things work out in the end isn't it?

Now the truth is getting out there - what is the view count tonight folks? Yesterday it was 50,000. So this message is certainly getting out there.

I also would like to add to that 'dying wish' commment to see this government be brought to justice. Yes, I am in it for the long haul too. I too want to do what I can to expose docs. And if I/ we might die before it happens we will be leaving our children (and their offspring) an unusual legacy. They will have the stories, the facts and the truth about this government department.

About the police. The small article is on page 8 of the Courier Mail today and I think page 13 in the Bulletin. See where it goes?!

Today I have to tell you that we (i.e. you, me the people) have had a win with docs. As you know I am all too aware about docs from past personal experiences. And as you know I now advocate for my clients when docs are involved in their lives in a professional capacity. All I can say is that the parent got the child back. It didn't go to court. Docs acted in a professional manner. I did not see any dodgy deals being handed out.
What a sense of relief. Incidentally (for those who might wonder)I do believe I can separate myself emotionally from what happened in my family with docs and act in a professional manner to represent my clients. And on a personal level it is very empowering -let me tell you this.

Yet having said the bit above I continue to learn more about child protection (from this forum and from ex CSO's) and when I reflect upon what happened to us I am still baffled.
Only today I learnt that if the child is young - like infant, toddler you can be requesting constantly (daily) to have access to your child. Write your request in writing, get your solicitor to get a letter into them requesting the same thing for more access visits. The department should recognise this is in the child's best interests. Also your child should only go to foster care as the last possible resort. You may need to ask all your family members 'would you take the child?' You need to organise this yourself and then inform docs of whatever relative can take the child. Get the family member to ring docs too and request that the chid goes with them and get that child out of foster care. And that the relative is in this same state of course. And remember 'are they willling to look after the child; are they able to look after the child'. This is what you need to prove to docs.

I thought last night that it all becomes a bit like a uni assignment where you have to state your arguement and back it up with reasoning. It's kind of like playing acaedemia but in a real life situation - your kids are involved! Your kids whole well being is at stake here!
e.g. I believe I am willing and able to look after the child as I have learnt from my mistakes and changed my way of doing things so that I will not slip into this dilemma again, I have undertaken counsellling to gain greater insights into why I keep going back into that domestic violent relationship. I understand my triggers for drug use and have worked on a contingency plan with my supports. I have attended a triple P parenting course (lifeline course - whatever) whereby I have learnt how to deal with difficulties that may arise in the future by blah blah blah.

Yes, I still think it is all just a legal game. Learn the rules of the game, wise up to how docs cheat. And as I observed in court the person who lies the most actually wins.

I've said it again it isn't about child safety - and it couldn't be further from the truth.
regards.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:57:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,


Now the truth is getting out there - what is the view count tonight folks? Yesterday it was 50,000. So this message is certainly getting out there.


regards.


53,200 + don't forget its sharing with the other topics
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 21 Oct 2008 12:05:AM
thisisgood
If I could get every docs cso to read this site and tell them i'm watching maybe they might think twice before blatantly lying like they did in my case and if that saves one family from going through what we went through this forum has been worth it.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 21 Oct 2008 12:08:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hello,


Now the truth is getting out there - what is the view count tonight folks? Yesterday it was 50,000. So this message is certainly getting out there.


regards.


53,200 + don't forget its sharing with the other topics

This thread alone has gone up 105 views in the last 10 minutes.
Hi ALL! superhappy

edit a typo, always in a hurry (not all the time)
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 22 Oct 2008 01:05:AM
In the time that it took me to type out that rather long posting on another docs site I now realise this topic has gone up 600 views.
Total all up todate is approx. 62,000 views!
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 22 Oct 2008 02:07:AM
Well In the last 24 hours, they proved themselves so to be corrupt and lying once again. This time my two daughters had a go at them. Monday just passed I received a call from my eldest daughter distressed, saying that the department were getting the court order to remove my younger daughter, as someone has reported my partner entering the house, which i have covered in a previous post, to cut a long story short, they phoned my eldest daughter today and said if they hear from my youngest daughters words that my partner didnt come over saturday night, they would believe her......My eldest daughter had a go at the worker, whilst this was on loudspeaker, then my younger daughter spoke to her and had a go at her, and told her a thing or two. My daughter even asked them what happened to the so called evidence and witness, no answer, so she added that the gentleman that is doing the reporting to the police and docs, (whom we know) is going to get a shock as both my daughter and I are pressing charges against this man, as he has been harrassing us from day dot, snooping, phoning, stalking, and even telling my partner about me, and vise versa, and finally making false reports to police and docs. This gentleman was the sponsor for my partner when he got out on bail, court appointed, and got chucked out of the slum he was living in by this person also, then he had the audacity to report to the police he has broken his bail. But all in all even though my two daughters stood up for them selves, it probably hasnt done any good, but it made me feel good that my two daughters stood up to them and stood up for the truth.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 22 Oct 2008 11:09:AM
Good on them.
See this is what DOCS does to you.
My eldest daughter has change big time ever since the department abused her, lied to her on a few occasions, trying to entrap her by saying "quote" you better tell us everything now as your brother has just told us everything (kids in separate rooms) which was a lie as her young brother had nothing to say and there was never ever anything to say, because these whores from hell stole him from school and interrogated a child without one of his parents or anyone present and all they achieved was making an 8 year old boy cry.
Till today my son is angry what they did to him, the above has been recorded by our family doctor on a few occasions, my children were sent to professional counsellors of our choice to be counselled and after two sessions they the counsellors did not believe that it was possible what the children said to them about what DOCS did to them, as it took my intervention to both the counsellors where I bought with me some hard evidence what happened and even then both the doctors only half believed myself and my children and I was deeply offended but after one year passed I forcefully passed onto them more evidence
and slowly convinced them who DOCS really are.
Posted By: shallowater Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 22 Oct 2008 02:16:PM
back on again. that was an expensive little trip! anyway. i'm back.
i have'nt read the last couple of pages, so thats what i'll be doing and report back later.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 23 Oct 2008 01:17:AM
Hello,
reading it all with great interest.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 23 Oct 2008 03:05:AM
I'd like to know where my grandchildren are....and id like my name cleared....BUT most of all i would like to see the government held accountable for the inaction of their own agency's abuse, intimidation, lies, and oppression.
I am the voice of the murdered and abused children and that of the relative carers and carers whoare not as determined or strong as I am in the fight for justice and accountabilityof The department of Child"safety" and its equally dishohonest agencies.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 23 Oct 2008 10:03:AM
You have to deal with SACS, there actually worst than DOCS when it come to lying.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 01:52:AM
Hello,

Have you parents ever considered the issue of not over compensating by over indulging your child because they were once snatched away by docs?

I am pondering upon this myself at this point in time in my child's life.
I also think I may have alway over compensated child because father doesn't pay maintenance and for a long time bought nothing. and then woud tell me to 'spare nothing on child'.

I felt guilt that chid had this man as a father.
Posted By: Helen Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:35:AM
Hi all its been a long time since I have been on this forum and I can see that membership has increased drastically.
Can someone please tell me when the department of child safety interviews your children how many times are they allowed to ask the same question over and over because my opinion is this amount of times its deemed to be badgering.
I don't want to start up Child Safety again in our live but I would like to ask this question.

My Children were asked over 5 times the same question over and over again.
For those that have not read my story please read.
http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=31153&page=9
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 12:02:PM
They hound the children until they give them the answer they WANT them to give......one Manager at Mermaid Beach , after a child telling him and a team leader about the father stubbing cigs out on his mother( whom has the scars) that he was lying.
This was done in front of the mother and independant witness and grandmother.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 12:07:PM
Oh calling the children liars is a famous one when it's going against the Department or their foster carer's...especially when the foster carer's trump up bs to go against the parent in court...the lies are thick with the department and go along way! And that can be from the children too, not often but it can...

The amount of questioning to a child should be interpreted as not only harrassment but also brainwashing b/c DChS would state a something repeatedly and say isn't that what happened? and keep on with that line of questioning and the poor kids would be thinking 'huh, what's this idiot on about?'

Unfortunately kids end up thinking they were abused when taken long enough and not given any reasons just so they can cope with their situation easier...mind games from the Department...who's abusing who!
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 12:10:PM
they show their lack of knowledge in the way they conduct themselves.....all power down with any gov dept....the only way they are getting away with this crap is because of the inaction of those up the line. Children's magistrates are as much to blame as the others who know and are employed by them, that is a very frightening thing to go through for any person.......
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 12:14:PM
The crisis mob are as bad.....and very dangerous.....i watched them for two days and finally in the hot sun outside a MacDonalds try and force a child to see grandparents they say were "mean" to them and who constantly ridiculed one.......this wee man was vomiting the nite before....and these bullies forced them continually to see them..these boys rights were and still are being violated.....thanks Mermaid beach branch......i am still calling for class action and accountability.......
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 12:19:PM
Your so right when you talk about magistrates are as much to blame when orders are granted without proof on the Department's end...but they are deciding in the best interest of the child if a parent is unable to respond to or know how to respond to the Depart.

I was just a lucky parent who was able to catch on really quick how to do that and talented enough to both open my mouth and speak up for myself and demanding the proof of such and such of crap (didn't say that but along them lines and that's from watching too much CSI, Criminal minds and other legal shows..Judge Judy! LOver her) anyway and then managed to respond with affidavits.

The parent unfortunately does have to know what to say, do and perform when in court, dress, act and feel the part of a lawyer, it worked for me and I felt I acted the part well...it helped win my case and I came across better than my estranged partner and other ex's lawyers, the sep rep and DChS lawyers...

Parents can do it, they need knowledge and support like you said kickemout...

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 01:07:PM
i have yet to see any uplifting orders from any court.........when my eldest grandson was abducted....he ran out of their office onto the canal near Pacific fair and pleaded with a man to phone me, gave my name and number, but the marauders found him and shut up the chap who found him......I am saying they must have doped him to get him on a plane...to fly him away up north
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 07:57:PM
That is disgusting, that's how my children were treated and they call us parents the abusers? Yeh right, if they were safe from us why would they want to run from safety back to harm?! Tell me that one....

but you see the magistrate isn't aware of these sorts of incidents when children are taken and it's these sorts of things that can be exactly put into affidavits against the department, the courts need to know the full story, and the truthful one at that and pinpoint which area's the department is lying telling the proper account of details...

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:04:PM
Originally Posted by Helen
Hi all its been a long time since I have been on this forum and I can see that membership has increased drastically.
Can someone please tell me when the department of child safety interviews your children how many times are they allowed to ask the same question over and over because my opinion is this amount of times its deemed to be badgering.
I don't want to start up Child Safety again in our live but I would like to ask this question.

My Children were asked over 5 times the same question over and over again.
For those that have not read my story please read.
http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=31153&page=9


The same thing happened to us where my children were being interviewed and asked the same thing a minimum of three times, if not up to 5 for my youngest. We have written our own journal on a daily basis as to what was happening and after each visit to one of these temples of doom, the children immediately went to see our family doctor, where they showed the journal and what they wrote in it on the way home on the train.

I have forgotten to ask my solicitor about this but it is a form of child abuse.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:30:PM
Hi,

LovingMyKids you are SO right. I was one of those little people who had no idea. I have a brother who studied law (but never practiced despite finished it all) and I rang him very early in the peace with all this. He didn't know what to do - even he had NO idea.
So I can just palm it off that I am a dumb nurse but even someone trained in law.
I so wonder about the average Joe out there and how they are managing in it all.
And I am so pleased for you that you caught on really quickly as to what it is all about.

I've said it before but I have to just say it again - it just ain't about what's in the best interests of the child.
"There is nothing safe about the department of child safety."

It is just a game to these corrupt docs workers and see how far they can go with their lives.

We lucky that capital punishment isn't around anymore. Wow, I would be publically hung for my thoughts. Hmm, another time and place they would have just burnt me at the stakes.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:32:PM
I meant to write lies not lives.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:35:PM
Yep, it is hard to write here and race off to watch the TV too.
And just what do us 'bad parents' watch?
Answer - Australian Idol like any body else.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:39:PM
Gasp you watch Australian Idol?!?! Then you MUST be a bad parent thisisgood teehee
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:42:PM
hahahaha, I don't watch that rubbish. I need a rest now, the poll finished me off tonight.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:42:PM
its gotta be better than witnessing abuse on our children by gov depts
Posted By: ew_289 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 26 Oct 2008 12:07:AM
I don't know where to start reading?
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 26 Oct 2008 12:21:AM
that is the depth of it all.....The great australian shame.....child safety
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 26 Oct 2008 11:22:AM
And they're getting away with it but will they always?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 26 Oct 2008 11:26:AM



Congratulations!! 60,000 Views on this thread.
Don't worry although the others had a late start like only last week or so they will catch up.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 26 Oct 2008 11:29:AM
My next aim will be 100,000
and that will be achieved in due time so I'm going out today and preaching the GOSPEL ABOUT DOCS!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:30:AM
Hi,

Do you know if one of you rang DOCS anonymously and said 'I have concerns... that woman is a bad mother... I hear her screaming at her child every day...I am concerned about the poor child....I think you people have been involved in that poor child's life before....please look into it.... etc'

I BET $ 1,000,000,000 that docs would be out here in a flash, interview, twist, lie, write what they want to enable them to snatch and grab and make a case up because they have taken child away before.

Anyone disagree out there? We could prove this to be true. Wanna bet.


Oh shit, here's docs at my door, they're saying I am putting my child at risk because I have flaunted this fact on the net and dared you.
Bye bye child.............................................

love your bad mother
xxxxxxx


Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:31:AM
ok, I am bit of a sicko.

But I have a point and most know this to be true.

What do you think of this Justice4All.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:37:AM
Well thisisgood, on that note I have made 4 complaints over the years for issues of severe concern I witnessed and nothing was done. Nothing, not even an investigation! I give up...and these people are known to the law for drug dealing, dv, drunken episodes, been to court for attempted murder on their partner and the list goes on and on and on as well as the criminal history!

So it is better you bet carefully and any way if you had that sort of money, you would've won your case down flat with the right barrister! LOL

Can you lend me some? LOL

Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:39:AM
Oh and also you can't now complain anonymously, Crisis care want names from the person making the complaint or they don't take the complaint seriously...I tried that one too. I still didn't give a name when they insisted and 1 other time I did.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:43:AM
my brain's not working that clearly today, far too much paper work for a Monday at work!

What did you want me to comment on thisisgood?
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:45:AM
No anonymous complaints? That's news to me.

Mind you, complaints are never anonymous... They come up in affidavits. Oh, DoCS might say it was a "neighbour" or a "teacher" but parents aren't stupid and it does make those giving notifications very easy to identify.

Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:58:AM
Oh yeh they gave the riot act of not disclosing my details etc...I felt like saying, you did in my case even if it was via a hint...
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 12:59:AM
DoCS will do whatever suits their agenda... And there is always an agenda.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:09:AM
Hi,
Justice4All I was making a comment that since docs have intervened in my life before and removed my child as 'being at risk' I now think that if someone placed an anonymous complaint about the way in which I parent or that they have concerns for my child's safety that docs would act swift and remove child again and go into the whole investigation thing again.
To my understanding is that because one already has a history with docs they are quicker to act on any notifications - fabricated or otherwise.

So Justice4All I was asking you for your input into this comment - am I imagining it or not?

And yes, another busy day at work and another late hour on this computer. I am becoming sleep deprived like the rest of you all.

Righteo - off to bed now. 2210 hours - good night.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:14:AM
In reality every child in every home is "at risk" of something.

At risk of slipping in the shower, at risk of falling off their bike, at risk of choking on a fish bone... The list goes on - it's constant.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:43:AM
contact Amnesty International rainbow chaser...they are an independant body, and i know they have been made aware of these morons by many.....
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:30:PM
maybe if we name the psychiatrists and affiliates who the dept hire......by not recommending them to be trusted....would that start the name and shame procedure.....
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:41:PM
A good idea, a laymen's opinion of their experience with certain psychiatrists, Social assessors, counselors and Phsychologists and even lawyers...maybe not so much name and shame but educate could be more like it!

It'll be nice to have revenge due to what we've been put through, it's even better to educate as revenge, make the dept's work even harder by making them more honest if that is even possible.

Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:48:PM
Aah it's such a sticky situation... I personally think it's a fantastic idea... But I tend to see both sides of the fence and I can predict that the whole "I was only doing my job" spiel would arise.

I know of professionals who WILL read departmental history files before they do anything with a parent or child and I know of professionals who WON'T (and deliberately won't).

Funny thing - those who will are regularly used departmental or sep rep contractors.

Those who won't are either completely unassociated or totally dislike DoCS all together.

Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:56:PM
Yeh but that's what gets me wild b/c my history is absolutely garbage, false, not in depth with detail and if it is, 1/4 of that detail would be somewhat correct with the rest misconstrued...

I've asked for years to have my files reviewed b/c I'm labeled as an unfit parent due to issues of DV but I'm not the perpetrator and I left the DV with the help of orders, police and refuges which has all gone against me but no the father/ idiot partner who did the assaulting in front of the child, nearly to the child and was the intoxicated and drugged out moron!

When I'm asked for my life story and I give it with it not ringing anywhere close to the files, then I'm not being honest, I'm in denial and have a mental health issue...

Sick of arguing and expected to live a lie to make social assessors happy! Well my story is out there now with myself answering to every notification against me with 5 out of the 25 notif's over the years, it was only the 5 I was in knowlege of, the other 20, I didn't recieve no visit's, sighting of my children etc...and they've got me substantiated with an indepth report that is no were near the truth and can be proven...very scary stuff.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 01:58:PM
it is not so much a revenge thing...it is making people aware that they are unethical and immoral in their professions.....and in that they are contributing to the continuing abuse of children and families...that has nothing to do with revenge.....you can guarantee that our names are on a list with all gov depts......
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 02:06:PM
I know that our names are on the gov depts list, DocSniper is full proof of that, the poor guy is haunted wherever he goes...so I'm not surprised by that!
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 02:25:PM
DoCS will substantiate a notification simply on the basis that it COULD happen.

Bleh! Anything COULD happen. But this does not mean that it WILL happen or HAS happened.

Family Law Court is not a court of evidence and this needs to change. The laws need to change where genuine evidence needs to be produced by DoCS to show proof of any allegation.

As it stands now, gossip, hearsay and sour grapes are good enough to have a child removed from it's home.

Concerns evolve into "facts" because report writers read it in the departmental history files and repeat it in their own reports.

Sorry, but repetition does not make fact.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 02:27:PM
most of their allegations are based on hearsay and fabrication......
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 02:31:PM
I can believe that... But I must admit that I have not had anything fabricated against me in the past 2 years and 3 months.

I suspect that there was likely enough hearsay about me to negate the need to fabricate stuff.

Or they didn't dare fabricate anything because I've had a darn good lawyer that they know and dislike guarding my back the entire time.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 03:28:PM
alt.news are getting more comments on there as well now...this is just so heartening to see.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 07:22:PM
Well that's good.
Maybe one day I would like to shake his hand.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 09:45:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hi,
Justice4All I was making a comment that since docs have intervened in my life before and removed my child as 'being at risk' I now think that if someone placed an anonymous complaint about the way in which I parent or that they have concerns for my child's safety that docs would act swift and remove child again and go into the whole investigation thing again.
To my understanding is that because one already has a history with docs they are quicker to act on any notifications - fabricated or otherwise.

So Justice4All I was asking you for your input into this comment - am I imagining it or not?


When a person has history with the Department and another notifcation is recieved they may come out and see you again. It depends on what the information is and if it meets the criteria for a notification which needs an investigation. But yes child protection history does play a part in all new notifications.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 09:47:PM
i think the terminology is victimisation by hearsay
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 09:57:PM
With most of my notifications I wasn't visited at any time but they are substantiated as having been visited but no details of the visit or sighting of the children which has to take place now...before a substantiation can be administered, 3- 4 years ago this wasn't the case as my records prove.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 11:18:PM
HI,
funny you are talking about DV stuff now, because after reading Bella's story I was thinking about DV issues today.And presto I have my usual contact with docs (I said we have a bit to do with them at work).
Guess what - docs have taken a child off a woman and now placed child with this father.
And guess what they said they (i.e. docs) 'have NO concerns about the father' and the mother 'has made no allegations about the father to docs about the father of the child'.
BUT we know that the woman was in a huge DV relationship with this man. He threatened her, bashed her and all that usual predictable stuff. Was probably very abusive toward her in front of the child.
We have it all through our files about how scared she is of him and what he did to her etc. Now docs see him as the fit and protective parent.

Yep, another case whereby docs seem to then take on the role of siding with the male and further abusing the mother where the man leaves off.
(Do I make sense here/)

Something is wrong as I have seen this happen before. I am concerned for the child and so is my team when informed of this outcome.

Also further about DV. One worker said the laws that protect these men should change so that woman and children don't have to leave their homes, schools and cities to avoid these abusive men. The law should make these men have to move out of their homes, leave their jobs, leave their cities and leave the woman who is not the perpetrator to live on in peace. Why should the woman who is already abused have to leave. The law doesn't protect women and then the likes of docs with further persecute them.

And about my question about how someone could place a complaint (notification) about me and my parenting, raise concerns about the safety of my child as docs were once in our lives and yes, I had that answered by the CSO that I spoke to from docs. She answered my question whilst talking about something else today to me, and yes I am right. Once the docs spotlight has been on you before they will come running at great speeds if alerted again. It doesn't have to be substantiated either, could be just a rumour. Guilty until proven innocent.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 11:22:PM
Justice4all you explain it better but we both end up with the same answer to my question.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 27 Oct 2008 11:22:PM
How R U thisisgood, all went ok today, the forum has plenty of action and votes.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 02:52:PM
Yes, they love age old rubbish.

They will manipulate it to show that it's history repeating itself... If they can't show history repeating then they will use it anyway because it makes their case look good.

I personally believe that departmental history should have an expiry date... A statute of limitations so to speak.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 03:22:PM
They use anything, fabricate it to the max and use it against you......its those managers and chhildrens magistrates in the dept that are allowing and are part of it all....most of them are inexperienced in life, and in anything apart from their own immoral acts....of which to date most are immune from any form of accountability.
And their answer to it is shove them in another gov dept....law courts, education,centrelink, gov anything....
this country doesnt have a gov of any form.....we have oppressors which as said before , equate to terrorists.......
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 03:36:PM
there is a very fine line between discipline and abuse......bottom line is as long as these morons are in these positions more children will die or be irrepairably damaged...not to mention the families.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 03:39:PM
Aah yes, if you plead guilty it's an admission - it's you saying "Hell yes, I did it!!"

Everyone says the same thing about the lack of experience and life skills DoCS workers have... Especially CSOs.

Many of them are very young, with no children of their own and a lot of them still live at home with their parents.

A person who does not raise children has NO idea about what it is like. It's a bit different if they live with children - but even then the onus is not on them to care for the child 24/7.

People who still live at home with their parents might pay board or contribute in some way - but they have NO idea about what it's like to be in the real world standing on their own 2 feet.

Dredging up interesting stuff from a person's past is much easier than digging into what is going on in a person's present... They get contractors to write assessment reports about that - but expect them to reflect what they "found" in the parent's past.

And God forbid that something happens to the family in the middle of the case! Then they have no idea what to do - and the fools admit it.

I started as a married mother with 5 children. I'm now a widowed mother with 5 children.

When my husband died last year, DoCS freaked out. They went into a tail spin and had no idea what to do.

Suddenly I was the only mother in the world raising 5 children alone... Oh, I had so many problems! I was now a single parent, I had 3 children with special needs... How could I cope?!!

So, instead of finding ways to help me (I didn't need help mind you) they hid from me instead... They hid for 2 months.

While they were hiding, I paid for a funeral, kept my rent and bills paid, filed paperwork with every organization under the sun to clear up my husband's estate, did the housework, put food on the table and remained sane while keeping my family glued together (I have 3 in care and 2 at home).

I am made of sterner stuff and DoCS really have no idea who they are messing with.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 03:48:PM
I raised five children on my own, and never had any docs or the like near me....when my youngest contracted leukaemia, none were there, when after years of chemo behavioural problems were causing me much concern, so apprached them....they wouldnt /couldnt help.....then when t her children were removed, boy did they abuse heer and fabricated stuff against her...mind you the children were removed because of the father's abuse.....an idiot( psychs) own words, even with cigarette burns he put on her in front of one of the children ,and a long history of criminal activities, even defrauding centrelink....this dolt , born with a silver spoon in his mouth was handed the boys.....Daddy has political friends...great system isnt it.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:14:PM
Yep I hear you on the weight loss thing.

I don't know how much I weigh, but after the death of my husband I went from a size 12 to a size 8.

What we experience in our lives gives us strength to battle the future things that life throws us. It gives us experience, more common sense and the ability to dig deeper if we have to.

I would never say that I haven't had my moments. Jeez, I've had a lot of them. At times I've thought that I've hit rock bottom - but I've discovered that I haven't and rock bottom is still further to fall.

I've had days, even now that I'm at reunification, that I've just wanted to scream my head off in frustration and do somebody some physical damage.

But the thing is that we do what we do for our children. We get up in the morning and we soldier on because our children need us.

I have learned to be pro-active.

I take my frustrations and I think to myself "How can I use that against them?"... Then I find the way.

If I let myself sink into all the hurt and pain I've felt over the past 2 years, I'd be a basket case. I'd probably be committed to be honest.



Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:15:PM
thats the one people power can work wnders in putting any form of gov in their place.....and that includes accountability....i have a long list of names waiting......the lesson in patience is patience itself....it is just sad that many have either had their children die at their hands or are lost ...and that is cruel emotional stuff.......
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:19:PM
Yes I absolutely hear you.

The sad thing is that the move to create change is not a quick one - it is going to take time.

Speaking of moving to create change... Some of us here already have irons in the fire. Early next month there will be some mischief afoot. LOL

A small amount of mischief, but it's only the start.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:32:PM
how many years did it take the fight of the Aboriginal people.......most never met their families as they passed on or were not able to be found.....gov intervention = gov criminality
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:32:PM
I'm glad to be at reunification too - but I still have my guard up.

You're not alone. You have people here who are happy to support you.

I'm sorry to hear how all of this has impacted on you personally. I obviously don't know you and I don't know how long you have had these issues for - but I fully believe that the impact all of this has had on you had contributed in some way.

Keep your chin up - none of us are in this alone.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:43:PM
aFter what you have been through, how could any sane psychologist make any decison on a person........do not give them the satisfaction of you believing them....they are liars, cheats and murderers
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:45:PM
ilovemykids - have you tried to find a diversion?

I know it's easier said than done when your life is falling apart at the seams - but often taking up a hobby or doing something that gets you out of your house can be an outlet to recharge your batteries.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 04:56:PM
I think that it also helps when you know that there are many others going through or have gone through the same nightmare....you'll probably actually start seeing the fact that it is not you, but what they have been trying to make you think you are....it is all mind games for all these morons
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 05:02:PM
Yep, that is exactly right.

When a parent first becomes involved with DoCS it's the most lonely experience out there.

Oh, friends and family pat you on the head and tell you that it's terrible and all of that... But nobody really understands it unless they are going through it or have been through it.

Parents dealing with all this need to be able to vent, ask questions and be supported. The best support is those who have been there.

I reckon families who have dealt with DoCS would make perfect foster carers.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 05:03:PM
here here...well said
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 05:13:PM
Honestly - if we are deemed responsible and reliable enough to have our children returned to our care - then we are perfect for foster care duty.

Thousands of parents over the years have ridden the carousel and had their children returned to them.

Yet, the "need" for foster carers is at a desperate level and fewer and fewer single or coupled parents are willing or prepared to sign up to be a carer.

It's becoming easier to be a foster carer because the "need" is so great (fast tracking and less stringent criteria) but those willing to take on the job are becoming fewer and fewer.

One day in the near future foster carers are either going to be far too young to really do the job properly - or they will be parents like us.

There won't be a choice.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 06:24:PM
i was told by an Aboriginal a few minutes ago that it is illegal for the gov to take children and put them in white families.....so what are Ipswich doing....and how many other centres are doing this?
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 06:37:PM
most of the Gold coast new and extra depts have staff from mermaid beach in them.....
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:PM
Yes they do.

Pretty much all of the workers who went to Labrador came from Mermaid Beach.

Nerang closed, then they reopened it. Same with Beaudesert.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 09:44:PM
Well Guys and Gals,
Havent been on for a few days, have been sitting back watching and reading. You have met Doc Sniper, What do you think???

Since my last post, a little update, Received a phone call from the Department, didnt accept the message, went to my machine, and the Lady concerned was so nice, asking for me to make an appointment with her, to go into the office and touch base on what is happening, and how everything is. I havent and wont phone her back. If and when she does phone me again, I am going to tell her that I will attend but with my lawyer, even tho its supposedly to touch base. With my lawyer present tho I am going to ask her what happened about both court orders she was going to get.
1. For me not to have a relationship with any man until my 12 year old daughter turns 18
2. Court order to remove my daughter from me as she had STRONG Evidence that my partner was still staying at the house. (That someone saw him entering the premises, arm in arm with me, whilst my daughter was on the lawn out front) What a load of crap. Because she Is lying once again, she has no evidence at all. We have in fact the evidence of what we were doing that night. I am hoping to catch the Department out on their lies, I may be wrong, but am hoping.

Anyways I prewarned you once Doc Sniper had internet he would be on.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 10:04:PM
Be careful because these dogs will try to cancel your appointment if they know you're going to turn up with a solicitor.
Do not tell them! just arrive and bring you solicitor with you and if your solicitor is busy cancel the appointment
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 10:15:PM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Be careful because these dogs will try to cancel your appointment if they know you're going to turn up with a solicitor.
Do not tell them! just arrive and bring you solicitor with you and if your solicitor is busy cancel the appointment


Thanks for that I hate Gov, i would have gone ahead being a smart ass, advising them first, If i dont tell them, i wish i could take a picture of her face when she sees my lawyer there, but cant she herself stop the appointment once she sees the lawyer present?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 11:08:PM
ilovemykids

You win the award for posting the most amount of post in the shortest time.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 11:10:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Be careful because these dogs will try to cancel your appointment if they know you're going to turn up with a solicitor.
Do not tell them! just arrive and bring you solicitor with you and if your solicitor is busy cancel the appointment


Thanks for that I hate Gov, i would have gone ahead being a smart ass, advising them first, If i dont tell them, i wish i could take a picture of her face when she sees my lawyer there, but cant she herself stop the appointment once she sees the lawyer present?


Yes that's why you don't tell them.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 28 Oct 2008 11:41:PM
How interesting - which office does this happen at? Or is it occurring throughout other offices too?

In my dealings with Labrador and Mermaid Beach offices they have no opinion of solicitors attending meetings. Not one they voice or use to cancel meetings anyway.

I know that certain magistrates at the Southport court house will grant DoCS orders if the parent does not have legal representation... But that's the only negative thing I know about in regard to not having a legal rep present.

Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:02:AM
WantJustice.
We both know we have them on the run, we both know we have the win, and we both know, that this will help us. to win elsewhere.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:08:AM
Originally Posted by rainbowchaser

I know that certain magistrates at the Southport court house will grant DoCS orders if the parent does not have legal representation...


Well that's wrong
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:10:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
ilovemykids

You win the award for posting the most amount of post in the shortest time.


Well she did until she was gagged
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:11:AM
Originally Posted by rainbowchaser
How interesting - which office does this happen at? Or is it occurring throughout other offices too?

In my dealings with Labrador and Mermaid Beach offices they have no opinion of solicitors attending meetings. Not one they voice or use to cancel meetings anyway.

I know that certain magistrates at the Southport court house will grant DoCS orders if the parent does not have legal representation... But that's the only negative thing I know about in regard to not having a legal rep present.



This has travelled from Qld, down to South Australia
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:24:AM
Are you serious?

I wonder if it's a standard rule or if this rule only applies to certain parents... Or certain legal reps for that matter.

Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:44:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
ilovemykids

You win the award for posting the most amount of post in the shortest time.


Well she did until she was gagged


How was she gagged???
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:49:AM
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by rainbowchaser

I know that certain magistrates at the Southport court house will grant DoCS orders if the parent does not have legal representation...


Well that's wrong


Absolutely - but it's true.

Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:59:AM
Yes, it has started in Townsville and Family SA has open the back door.
No crime did I commit in the state of SA. in the 10 months of a building of a relationship, Not one iota of any type of abuse to the partner or the children, Family SA in less then 20 minutes, Abuses the Whole family, Police man handles me in front of the children, Family SA and Cops belittles the mother as saying she is stupid and is a unfit mother, right in front of the children, The said Child in question, Tells these Retards that I am not abusing her in any manner, yet, I am only charged with trespassing when the partner didnt wanted me to go. Stand over tactics and brainwashing Family SA does, Just the same as QLD Dogs do.
I have voiced out to all I believe should help only to be rejected.
They are passing the buck and stalling, while I and the partner waste money where money never ever needed to be wasted. The family home is not happy.
Family SA is only reading what QLD has sent them and told them what to do.
I told Family SA, Dont make the same mistakes as QLD has, Meet me half way to fix the mess your department has done. so far,no half way of any type. only believing in what they read from their own, and refusing to read the proof I have to contradict everything the say.
I have do all i can to show i am innocent while they do nothing to show my guilt.

Now that I have a lawyer here that believes, not like in QLD, my own home town is fingered and when I do prove I am right, I will also prove the corruption with in the townsville department of family killers.
I told them Scums, there will be a day, of justice, a day of the truth, A day of glory. and the longer you take the more I will get.

I do believe with all my heart. that day is not to far away.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 01:43:AM
Originally Posted by DocSniper
Yes, it has started in Townsville and Family SA has open the back door.

I do believe with all my heart. that day is not to far away.



Am praying for that day to come. Not only have they done the above they have confused, upset the children, as stated before. As long as we all are strong and dont give up (which is what they want) We will continue to fight and Stand up for the truth.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 01:56:AM
They are too good at wearing a parent down.

While they attack with their allegations, assumptions and trumped up rubbish they wait for the parent to cave in.

They are also not beyond putting a subject child into a dreadful situation to pull the carpet from under the parent and get their way.

Not to mention that foster carers are a bunch of gossipers who come to their own conclusions and natter amongst themselves, allowing children to overhear negative information about their own parents.

Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 02:07:AM
Rainbow:
Wait, wont be long now...at lest till mid November,before we really know,how this will end up. all Im going to say. I will win here. from here the door is open
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 02:25:AM
The seed is already planted.

My solicitor told me to write a book. I'm not a book writer. If I was to do that, it would take me years and I won't feel like I'm contributing.

She also said to take it to the media - but they hear these complaints all the time and one voice is not enough in a situation like this.

The media needs to hear a lot of voices all at once.

Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 02:46:AM
thats what i have been saying, One voice no one hears, a multi group of voices will be heard
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 11:58:AM
Originally Posted by JusticeForAll
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
Originally Posted by I Hate GOV, DEPT
ilovemykids

You win the award for posting the most amount of post in the shortest time.


Well she did until she was gagged


How was she gagged???

I emailed her for the reason She replied and i will not put that reason on a public forums but you can guess what happens when you are recognized by them.
End of story but this can be expected if a persons case is only new.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 12:00:PM
Originally Posted by rainbowchaser
They are too good at wearing a parent down.

While they attack with their allegations, assumptions and trumped up rubbish they wait for the parent to cave in.

They are also not beyond putting a subject child into a dreadful situation to pull the carpet from under the parent and get their way.

Not to mention that foster carers are a bunch of gossipers who come to their own conclusions and natter amongst themselves, allowing children to overhear negative information about their own parents.



They didn't wear me down as I have said before they might have won the first battle but they will lose the war!.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 02:00:PM
No, they haven't worn me down yet either.

I get up in the morning and I still have the ability to continue the fight.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Oct 2008 11:51:PM
Yes, when the case is on they will try and gag you legally or make life hell that you have to go quiet.

But there are some of us who are what one could term

'NO LONGER GAGGED'

And it is great there are a few of us around.

Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 12:34:AM
No offense taken.

P4P is going to ruffle feathers - but legally they can't do a thing. There is nothing there that breaks any laws... They can only use it as a nice big bluff that they hope makes them look good and try to rattle a few parents with it.

Honestly, I've had no repercussions about the P4P site. Nobody has asked me to take it offline, I've had no contact from any authorities about it.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 03:27:AM
im waiting for them to recognise me....if they start hassling me.....Im going to start naming the whole lot of them........
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 05:00:AM
Ooh, can I watch? LOL
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 11:09:AM
Putting names on a public forum does nothing to damage DOCS, After all its just a name say JOE BLOW and the name JOE BLOW means squat for the public as the public is only interested in the story and that it.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 01:42:PM
Names can be used as long as they are not attributed to anything that can be considered libelous.

A parent can say Jane Doe from Hell office is my CSO... But they can't say Jane Doe from Hell office hit my child with a brick.

Unless it actually happened. LOL

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 05:37:PM
ooooooooooooo wait til I put in that copy of my first letter of concern.....it is covered by witnesses...independant of anything to do with them.......
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 10:01:PM
Well months ago the amount of views was around 50- 80 a day, a bit later we were getting on this thread around 200 a day now I don't bother anymore as this thread alone is nearly up to 65,000 and what about the others combined to total what I would expect to be around 2,500 to 3000 a day.
I will get some accurate figures at a later date.
Now even if we alone account to 1000 of them a day, who are the remaining 1500 to 2000.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 30 Oct 2008 10:07:PM
PEOPLE POWER....DONT YA JUST LOVE IT!!!!!!!
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 02 Nov 2008 12:44:AM
I speak out for the Aboriginal people in this too, simply because we are one, we are Australia....and to my mind.....It doesnt matter if you're black or white.......there are many new Australians who arrived here not knowing the truth of the horrendous crimes commited on these people....I know, I am one of them......after reading a book " Blood on the Wattle" for the first time in my life I felt true shame at being a white person....until i realised that those same heinous crimes were commited on my ancestors in Scotland.....and many other cultures throughout the world. I cant change things, but i sure can contribute in support to all who suffer at these criminals who betray the ordinary people, in their quest for accountability
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 02 Nov 2008 12:48:AM
History repeats itself in many different ways.

I personally don't care of a family is black, white or polka dotted. A family is a family.

Very true that we can't change what has gone before... But we can make a move to initiate change for what is ahead.

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 03 Nov 2008 07:34:PM
Just in case if guest are just viewing this long thread not knowing there are others please click the link below.
Thanks
http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=12&page=1
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 03 Nov 2008 07:47:PM
Good idea - a lot of people only read the page that is infront of them and don't read back through previous posts.

Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 03 Nov 2008 07:59:PM
Yes this long thread is getting longer by the day and I suspect some have just bookmarked just this and don't know about the others or even a forum name change with all the new threads.
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 03 Nov 2008 08:16:PM
Yes, I have to agree with you.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 12:12:AM
Hi,

Been thinking about what I wrote in response to Mr Sniper on 'refused or rejected' topic on this same forum yesterday.

There are 3 main goals here -

1.) Firstly is to educate the public to expose the current practices of docs corrupt workers.

So just how do we do that and what are our tools to do this with?

My answer is this forum is a very good tool - after you wade through the anger and angst feelings expressed here - there are lots of good information and stories to be told to explain what is going on.
So how to reach the masses?
Ok public forum is one way but that is top shelf staff at present.
We are just starting out here in this forum.
So how to reach the masses with limited funds?
What about flyers (1 A4 page with eye catching information that leads the inquisitive reader to this site "www.Aus-City forums.com")
a. flyers into letter box drops (like the junk mail many receive in their letter box)
b. flyers given out at (children's) courts.
c. Flyers sent/ given out to solicitors, cousellors, support agencies, etc.

The flyers will need to have an email address or (query phone number?)where people can voice their support.
This is where we start to gather the numbers that we need for further political action down the track.

2. Lobby for changes to the Child Protection Act 1999 and also to change the method in which the current department of child safety deliver this to the public.

Start up a lobby group.
I think it has to be in South East Queensland (Brisbane) where the biggest number of people live.
And what is the name going to be?
Register the name and formally set it up.
Find a meeting spot/ find donated office space.
Work out a mission statement and all that stuff.
What's our objectives to be reached? what's our slogan?
Make a start and find out what is needed to carry this through.
Elect your president, secretary and treasurer and all those other positions required.
Sub branches of this can operate in various other parts in the state of Queensland.

Once up and running, then we go for the public meetings and do all the big stuff that is required to execute this successfully.
Attend any other meetings/ gatherings that we should have a presence at.

3. Thirdly, once the above has been achieved go about setting up a phone service to the public to give information out about how to deal with docs.
Initially be staffed by volunteers (uni students would love this experience on their CV).
Take statistics from all phone contacts.
Also use your volunteers to do the mail out preparations in their spare time whilst on duty in the office.
Then if looking viable submit for funding to the government on a needs basis for this sort of organisation to exist for the community.

Currently there is a large gap here due to lack of 'know how' amongst the general community and professionals on how to deal with docs.

Around this time frame start up on introducing brochures, that can then be disseminated throughout Queensland to various agencies that deal with people. They can then refer the client to our service.


Please would someone give me feedback on this suggestion.
I don't think it is too grandiose.
It is all do-able in stages, if one stage doesn't get off the ground then have option 2 ready as back up plans.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 12:20:AM
Hi,

So what can we do from here?

the starting point is make up an A4 brochure or even 1/2 an A4 size that is worded so it reads ok.

Something like -



The Department of Child Safety - Queensland

We aim to educate the public about what really can happen to you and your family.

Learn how the department is only interested in 'protecting the child/ children' at a cost of possibly destroying them and you in their legal process.


There's nothing safe about the Department of Child Safety!

visit to learn more..

www.aus-City forums.com


Ok, I am sure you can do better.
Would you please PM me with your ideas and we can put it together. When ok'ed we can inform all interested members on this site. It will then be up to you to print out, photo copy and start a letter box deliver campaign in your area of Queensland or where ever.


Got any better ideas? something that is do-able, cost effective and can reach the masses.
I'm interested in hearing from you!
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 12:22:AM
I would suggest to contact Amnesty International regarding what the best way to set it all up....they are for one...independant of gov....and contact those barristers that know whats going on as I am sure they are not all in agreeance with these practises....AI am sure would guide us there.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 03:16:AM
you can forget Amnesty International, been there and done that with them and as always, sorry cant help you.
You want the masses to know, then I recommend SBS insight. this show is about discussing issue and how to resolve them.
SO, if anyone has a mate in media, then whisper in their ear, to do a show. on the abuse of Us.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 03:22:AM
have contacted all the channels doc sniper.....it would seem that people is who we need to gather
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 11:17:AM
I still think that you need to get your numbers up.
You must try to work out how to contacts the thousands in Queensland that have had any sort of contact with DoCS for a opinion how they were treated for their investigation
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 12:06:PM
same here.
Just think what can be done to find all the lost souls and head them this way.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 05:23:PM
oh Ive im preparing the flyers....and have contacted people on the sunshine coast......they start going out next week.....and we're going to pound the pavements with them.......hell hath no fury than a woman scorned.....
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 08:45:PM
Yep, ready to pound the pavements. I mean the junk mail reaches the masses and they are still doing this aren't they - who gets junk mail continuosly?
So flyers are do-able, print them out (probably 1/2 page A4) and off we go.
Just think of the exercise!!

So let's get a uniform approach by most to work on the flyer layout to do this. Then if we feel strong enough about this issue it is up to each one of us to do this.
I am glad I live in south east qld where the most numbers are.
ha ha ha say hello to me if you see me going past your letter box. And I'll still shove one into the "No junk mail/ Australia Post only" letter boxes!!

So come on PM me or one of us here with you proposed flyer and then when one is ok'ed by most of us this is what we can use.

this forum is our tool. It has encompased a lot of useful information to the average Joe facing docs and also to start to heighten the awareness of those (who care to look) who are curious and uninformed.

This is where my money from Rudd is going - as I said before Anti docs propaganda.

Can we count you in?

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 08:48:PM
Then maybe by contacting some through this letter box delivery later we could start something like a 'fax back/ email survey' type thing.

We need to start to spread the word and then find more people who are willing and believe strong enough about the cause to get involved in this work.

It ain't no high profile job this, it is just a lot of sweat and tears to start with.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 08:50:PM
And...
If you have any other ideas, then speak them out. Don't be shy. Write here or PM one of us regulars here and share your thoughts.

Remember our ultimate goals
and this must be do-able,
in a cost effective manner,
in a time frame,
etc.

This sort of stuff would be measurable by recording the daily hits/ views onto this site.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 09:05:PM
500 have looked at this poat today alone...word is spreading......over 3ooo for this week not bad eh
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 06 Nov 2008 09:47:PM
yep
Posted By: Crow Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 11:43:AM
Just clicked over 70,000 this morning.
Posted By: Bella2229 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 12:21:PM
Thats great numbers.
I think that we could do with one of these forums for each state as well as an australia wide one!!
Posted By: jaremt Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 04:06:PM
over 70,200 now so that's just over 200 more views in the last few hours
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 04:53:PM
70,300.
another 100 in 45 minutes.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 04:56:PM
I can see 100,000 just for this thread in the next 6 months or less.
Remember some of the other threads are going gang busters too.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 06:58:PM
I can see that 100,000 by next week Tuesday
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 07:53:PM
what do you know that we don't?
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 08:10:PM
Hi,

did anyone see the article in the Courier Mail (page 37 of 8-9 November)?

It says 'Child Safety workers flee"

well anyone with half a brain would flee once they realised what was involved with working for the department.

I've said before it wouldn't be a good look to have it on your CV that you once worked as a CSO for the Department of child Safety.

Apparently 852 full time workers quit their jobs in 2007 - 2008 period of time. This compares to 536 for the previous year. It is a significant rise in numbers.

I would hazzard a quess at saying it is the ethical people who are leaving in droves.The unethical ones would probably like the power and stay on. And in one of the very corrupt office I know of I am fully aware of some very corrupt officers who have been there for a number of years.

See it isn't just toxic problems in which the department handles itself there is also toxic problems in the way it manages staff.

We need some ex CSO's to confirm this on here.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 09:25:PM
thisisgood:

my life is been on the line for many years.
This is my life, that someone has manipulated. has twist my destiny to the nightmare it is.
MY life, is my life, I know all in me I am innocent.
I dont need some quack or assessments to learn how to be a father, i AM a FATHER.
I know my sexuality: and the women in my life Also know my sexuality.
My life is in question,brought on by some frkhead and decides to play god with me. MY life is worse more to me, then it is to them. MY life,MY childrens lives means something to me.

My life is worse nothing to them, but, once upon a time, I was someone to somebody and that is all that mattered.
My life I am fighting for,
I yell everywhere and if I can find away to yell in otter space, I do that to.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 09:46:PM
Yeh I'd like to know more too, nice and juicy...poor woman and kids...what a fright that would've been for them...but it does happen.

Where I'm at, the police are very suspicious in taking the Dept's word for issues unless they actually have orders in their hands before they do anything, but they're easy to get for the Dept...they only have to prove it after the fact but by then the damage is already done!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 10:27:PM
Originally Posted by jaremt
over 70,200 now so that's just over 200 more views in the last few hours


Just clicked over 70,500 not long ago.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 10:29:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hi,

did anyone see the article in the Courier Mail (page 37 of 8-9 November)?

It says 'Child Safety workers flee"

well anyone with half a brain would flee once they realised what was involved with working for the department.

I've said before it wouldn't be a good look to have it on your CV that you once worked as a CSO for the Department of child Safety.

Apparently 852 full time workers quit their jobs in 2007 - 2008 period of time. This compares to 536 for the previous year. It is a significant rise in numbers.

I would hazzard a quess at saying it is the ethical people who are leaving in droves.The unethical ones would probably like the power and stay on. And in one of the very corrupt office I know of I am fully aware of some very corrupt officers who have been there for a number of years.

See it isn't just toxic problems in which the department handles itself there is also toxic problems in the way it manages staff.

We need some ex CSO's to confirm this on here.


Its called hit and run!!

Destroy someone family and they FUCK OFF!
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 10:35:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood


I would hazzard a quess at saying it is the ethical people who are leaving in droves.The unethical ones would probably like the power and stay on. And in one of the very corrupt office I know of I am fully aware of some very corrupt officers who have been there for a number of years.

See it isn't just toxic problems in which the department handles itself there is also toxic problems in the way it manages staff.

We need some ex CSO's to confirm this on here.


Well I was told only last week that the three whores from hell are still at my Office of DOOM!

Could this be a reason why Pine Rivers, Mermaid Beach, and others that rated poorly in the poll are the offices with the long time hard liners?
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 10:39:PM
in 10 minutes its gone up another 97.
Its now 70,597
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 11:06:PM
The other two climbing by the hour are.

1/ The Department of Child Safety's most shameful office.

2/When DOCS interview children

Its good that people are reading these two as if I can help one family in Queensland outsmart DOCS I will be happy.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 08 Nov 2008 11:08:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hi,

did anyone see the article in the Courier Mail (page 37 of 8-9 November)?



Can't find it, What section of the Courier main was it in.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 02:38:AM
Had a thought, I was talking to my girlfriend today, who is a foster carer, I was asking her if they take my daughter away from me on Thursday, would she consider looking after her until this is all sorted, and of course she said yes. Made me feel better, but she told me there was such a shortage of foster carer's out there, the department are accommodating the children they remove in hotels, for up to a year!!!!!!

How unreal is that, but the crunch of my thought was

SHOULD I APPLY AS A FOSTER CARER.....Do you think they would accept my application??????
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 03:49:AM
You wait wont be long, you have to apply for a L and P plate license to be a parent.
a written test and then a test drive.
depends on what type of family, you obtain. different classes of license to maintain a family.

China got the policy of one child per couple.


didnt I hear some where and I could be mistaking, that Australia is the lucky country. the " fair go mate",.

Why is it, that other people from other countries want to escape to this one, cos, of their persecution, yet, we are being persecuted by our government....where can we escape to????
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 11:51:AM
Originally Posted by DocSniper
I can see that 100,000 by next week Tuesday

I would like to see that!.
This thread alone has clocked up another 1000 in one day, don't forget the others the mileage is going up on them too.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 04:14:PM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
SHOULD I APPLY AS A FOSTER CARER.....Do you think they would accept my application??????


No you wouldn't become a foster carer. With the alegations that you are facing (for QLD anyway) that would be enough to reject your application.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 04:55:PM
Hate:
I reckon: I havnt finished yet. I still got 24 hrs:)
Posted By: endofdays Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 09:31:PM
I haven't started yet, still waiting for my Committal soon
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 10:06:PM
And don't expect any miracles with the committal because anyone charged with a 93a automatically does not collect 200 Dollars (Monopoly) and goes straight to trial
In simple what I am trying to say is its just about impossible to be charged with any offense attached to a 93a and expect to get off at a Committal.
trust me I have done research on this.
The Parrot behind the bench always says YOU HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO STAND TRIAL!. You Lawyer if honest should tell you this.
If you do a search on what a committal is for you will find it gives the defense team opportunity to test the evidence against (PS the CROWN Show its cards but you don't show yours) you like mine it was nothing except for a 93a bit of toilet paper and nothing else but you still are forced to stand trial.
Some say if you show evidence at the committal it can go against you at trial reason by making the crown aware to what you have as evidence also lawyers like lengthy trials $$$$ they always go the full length.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 10:14:PM
oh i think they use any bloody number and form.....what id like to know ...who charges docs and the psychs for their abuse???????
and what about the cocky young teacher....not even a parent himself, that has a hand in abducting children .....being brother of the abusive father ...and the false testimony in the court...really trumped up boy....and youre in a christian school up north there....do your pupil's parents know what a cad you really are.....
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 10:48:PM
Hi,

Yes, I looked into becoming a foster parent after my case was over. I am lead to believe that they will look into if there ever was allegations of child abuse on you.

I am sure I said before it is only around 10 hours of assessement to become a foster carer.

A girlfriend of mine is aiming to work for docs in NSW and is currently studying.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 09 Nov 2008 10:50:PM
Hi,
Ihategov did you find that article about docs workers leaving the department in droves? It was in saturdays Courier mail. Page whatever I said now.

Also have you seen the courier mail. front page Monday 7 July 2008. "Abuse cases choke courts"?

sometimes I collect these articles. I am still looking for the article about more kids attempt suicide who have been in care compared to the rest of the poplulation. I am sure I have this somewhere.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 10 Nov 2008 05:09:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hi,
Ihategov did you find that article about docs workers leaving the department in droves? It was in saturdays Courier mail. Page whatever I said now.

No I did not

Originally Posted by thisisgood


Also have you seen the courier mail. front page Monday 7 July 2008. "Abuse cases choke courts"?



Yes I spotted this one as this is the example of the 93a statement at work.
No evidence but lets fill the courts will trials fully based on a 93a.
Like i said if the three Bronco Players complainant was under 16 and the 93a was flashed at her (always used) I CAN STAKE MY LIFE IN IT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED, gone to a useless Committal, and waiting 5 years for their trial.
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 11 Nov 2008 11:18:AM
YES I KNOW ITS IN THE WRONG THREAD! But why not.

Guys and Gals, since our great Premier is on the money grab trail again and she is short a bit of cash by giving it all to the Department of Child Safety, by increasing fines for everything including of course traffic fines, I would like to remind all what is written below and what I have been reading on other sites, where more and more people are now warning motorists with these speed cameras. See, if you flash your head lights, they grab you for that, by using your high beams in a built up area, but if you just turn your head lights on and off and on and off, is that breaking the law? Well not the law of using your high beams in a built up area, but unfortunately this gangster of a Premier that we have has her own law, which is worse than any other law we have in this state and you know what thats called:

DENYING THE GOVERNMENT REVENUE.

(JUST A REMINDER TO WHAT HAPPENED A WHILE A GO)


Well watching Channel Nine News last night (15/10//07)I just caught a segment about Queensland police getting caught in their own speed cameras. It was interesting once again thanks to the freedom of information ACT and a good reporter that reported this but I would like to add my two bobs worth.
See what attracted my attention to this story was the high percentage of police whilst on or possibly off duty that were booked for speeding but it was the case of an outrageous percentage of them that write a letter to the department with a reason why they were speeding and they get off. Now as I said I just caught this story by a second so I don't exactly remember the percentage that get off but it was high and I can tell you this that the average Tom Dick and Harry that has been caught speeding has got BUCKLEY'S chance of getting off as easy as the off or on duty Police do so how do they do it? Haaaaaa easy!!

No I'm not saying where I got this info from but some of us unfortunately have relatives or friend in the Police service and yes they do enjoy a drink at a BBQ and yes the drink has a habit of loosening a few tongues and this is what I over heard at a Bathurst 1000 party that got my ears ringing.
See what is getting around the traps in the Police service is just say an off or on duty Police officer is driving his or her private or Police car on a public road and in a split second they unfortunately get zapped by a speed camera for speeding and they know that they have been busted what they do is accelerate and pull over the first car that just happen to be in front of them.
Now they will pull the car over for any reason like Sir/Madam why were you drifting in your lane, or your brake light are coming on and off or whatever stupid or silly reason they can use to pull the car in front of them over so they can get details, times and whatever needed so the off or on duty cop can write his or her letter saying this was the reason why he or she was speeding.
I find this what I heard absolutely disgusting and outrageous that we have a law for the common person and we have a loophole for the Police.
What I would like for the General public to do is if you pass a speed camera and you are not speeding whatsoever and for some reason just after or kms later down the road you get pulled over for whatever reason by anyone on or off duty and they just happens to flash a badge at you and ask for your details which you give him or her ask for his or her name and service number (They could refuse or ask why?), also get details, time, "etc" of the car they are driving and number plate and report them to the CMC (Crimes Misconduct Commission)You never know you could be lucky, See if the CMC investigate and it just happens the Police officer gives them the same excuse (I bet the excuses would be similiar)as they put in their letter to get off the fine the CMC will know that the Police Officer in question is on the nose, and after this message on this forum gets around they might think twice before pulling this swifty again.
Remember all, the way I look at it the Police are not above the law and they should be treated equally like the rest of us.
Now let me see where is the phone number for the CMC.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 11 Nov 2008 09:53:PM
Can someone please tell me what the difference between a magistrate making a decision and a judge.
I have the court hearing tomorrow, and I have been told it is a magistrate that will make the decision to whether my daughter will be taken into Custody.

My lawyer is asking for a 7 day adjournment on the matter, I feel that she should be able to argue the case tomorrow instead of the adjournment, but she says because it is an application for investigation and removal of my daughter for the 42 days, she cant argue the case until after the 42 days.

Does this sound right???
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 11 Nov 2008 10:07:PM
No don't rush it!
If you're not 100% prepared adjourned the case even if its only for 7 days,
Did she tell you why she cant argue the case for 42 days.?.
I'm not familiar with this, i am getting good on Criminal matters not family matters.

Magistrate is for Local courts
Posted By: I Hate GOV, DEPT Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 11 Nov 2008 10:08:PM
Maybe JusticeForAll can add something to this
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 12:31:AM
Hi,

Wantsjustice I will be thinking of you tommorrow. I will never forget what it feels like to be in those courts.

The other day I was talking to a young woman who started mouthing off to me how useless docs are. She said she rang docs to report a young mother who was threatening to give her baby 'a hot shot' (excuse me ignorance but does that mean a fatal dose of heroin?) and the mother was going off in general. Anyway this young woman rang docs to get help/ report her BUT was told that all the intake officers were out and couldn't take the call.
This young woman was livid about it. She said this wouldn't happen in the state she originates from.
So I don't know what happened to the mother and the baby. but the docs office was Labrador.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 12:41:AM
Hello Allies,

So why do docs go after some and make a mountain out of a mole hill and then others where serious cases of abuse are going on just turn a blind eye? I was going through some of my newspaper clippings today (still looking for that youth suicide article related to kids in care) and was reminded of those twins and also the huge number of kids that lived in squalor. No docs hanging around like the flies in those stories.

well back home here - well we ain't in squalor - far from it I have harnessed a bit of OCD when it comes to cleaning and organisation and my child ain't fading away in there as he sleeps and listens to Mozart. But docs pursued us to the ends of the earth with their claims that my child is at risk.

Oh, I can feel my anger rising again. Child at risk. Well docs he must still be a child at risk. or have you 'properly investigated' us now? Now that it cost me $20k and my child was abused whilst in foster and came back quite traumatised.

"Yep, we have traumatised that one enough now - let's drop them and forget they exist."
As someone else put it 'lest we forget' (referring to the returned soldiers) we ain't ever gonna forget the autrocities that our families suffered due to the hands of docs.
Lest we forget.

hope that is not being distrespectful to the diggers, not intended to do this!
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 12:41:AM
Originally Posted by WantsJustice
Can someone please tell me what the difference between a magistrate making a decision and a judge.
I have the court hearing tomorrow, and I have been told it is a magistrate that will make the decision to whether my daughter will be taken into Custody.

My lawyer is asking for a 7 day adjournment on the matter, I feel that she should be able to argue the case tomorrow instead of the adjournment, but she says because it is an application for investigation and removal of my daughter for the 42 days, she cant argue the case until after the 42 days.

Does this sound right???


Every state is different and every state has different ways which their court system works.

Unfortunately I can't offer any advice on this as I don't know the SA court system.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 02:14:PM
Hello,

Today I came accross a young woman who was up against docs around the same time as me.

What was her crime? Well being a single mother of a 9yo and a new born baby at the time she was very tired and her sleep was out of whack.
So she asked her daycare mum to take the baby for her so she could catch up on sleep.
the day care mother from a friend of hers found out about some 28 day order through docs.
she pursued this and whammo docs got involved. Wrote her off as being an unfit mother etc etc etc. This girl didn't get a solicitor and was totally rolled by docs. Her story is sort of simular to mine the difference is I had legal rep and paid $20,000 and remortgaged my house.
So the outcome is that this young woman finally got her child back. Her child is now 3 yo. I saw them both today. Docs were trying to say she was depressed and therefore unfit to parent.
As a psych. nurse I wrote a letter for this girl that said that I have known her for some years and she does not have any clinical symptoms of depression, no psychosis, etc etc but is grieving through the intervention of loosing her child.Well when this woman showed them (Hey guess what - it was Mermaid Branch) the letter and this young woman's mother was looking at getting her a solicitor and getting this sort of evidence presented to the court. Docs said 'oh, don't bother getting legal rep. we are going to give you back your daughter."
Well story goes when it went to court docs rolled her, no plan of reunification as they said to her.
No mention of letters from psych. nurses.
Docs had their own chosen psychiatrist who wrote scathing reports on this woman.
So child finally came back to young woman's care July 08.
another docs vicitm. A 'V.O.D' as someone called them weeks back on this forum.

And it is the same story, same tactics, same stuff but for another family.

I left and sat in the privacy of my car and cried a bit after I saw her today.

The child protection act is being bastardized by corrupt docs workers.

I will go to her house and tape her story as she is not a writer, but she remembers.
We need these stories and we need a data base of all these people who have had children taken off them due to being 'at risk' but there is no substance to docs fabrications.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 02:19:PM
and as we know...

docs can't then half way through go oh sorry we have over reacted here and give the child back.
Why? Because then they are admitting fault and then there becomes something like a case of negligence or whatever term it would be legally.
So docs push on with lie after lie after lie.
They have to win. they have to justify their actions. They have to not back down and admit they were wrong.
And stuff (no swearing from my fingers anymore smile
the children, stuff the family, stuff the community, stuff everyone BUT the government.

This is why we must find each other. Stand up and look around, find your allies in this atrocity that this current government is committing against the people.

STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.


Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 02:22:PM
and... another thing.
And you will be able to predict this too.

This young woman, when they gave back the child - well they (docs) just turned up and dropped the child off and never came back again.

the end, no follow up. no can we help, no oh you are such a dangerous parents we want to visit you weekly to monitor this child's safety.

No nothing.

that makes me so angry. If a parent is deemed as being at risk to a child and then docs go to such lengths to keep the child away then why don't they follow up the child for some time later?

Something is not right - it doesn't make sense to me.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 02:23:PM
and then they say something to the effects of "we are operating in the best interests of the child".

BULL

That is the biggest lie that docs put out.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 02:23:PM
There is NOTHING safe about the Department of Child Safety.
Posted By: Bella2229 Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 02:29:PM
Docs use the "best interests of the child" line becase who can argue that Docs dont actually beleive that?
Also because the children are too young to tell anyone that this is not in their best interests.
Docs have even, then, as our children get older brainwashed them into beleiving that docs is doing what is "in the best interests of the child" and that everyone else is out to hurt and lie to them!!
Thats my experince anyway
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 02:51:PM
Yes well, what we are doing here talking about docs and their ways of operation and dodginess is because we are 'operating in the best interests of the children too' - along with in the 'best interests of the families and community'.

Oh how odd that we seem to have the same goal/ focus but one of us is lying?!

I wonder which one is lying? The people or the government body?
Posted By: Bella2229 Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 03:17:PM
It could be either of us!!!
However we the people are doing this out of love for our children, Would we put ourselfs through this much torment if we were not dooing it for the right reasons??
The govenment who claims to be doing this for the "best interests of the child/ren" are doing this to get their weekly pay check!!
It would appear obvious that the only thing that the gov employees care about in this case is getting paid!! Even the oohc's get paid to care for these children!!Yet us as parents aren't looking to have children to gain a larger salary, infact most of the time our pay packets become smaller once we have children but then again we are not parents for money we are parents because we love our children
Docs dont work out of hours, They work on their 9 to 5 mon to fri routine (in some places they even have trus mornings off) we the parents work 24/7, Who is it that really cares for our children?


Proberly a little all over the place post but at the moment its hard to get thoughts to make a nicly written statement
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 03:32:PM
correct. how does a 20 minute new born speak of his best interest?.. when his main interest is to breathe and look for a breast, for food.

how is it, they will take this 20 minute new born to a court room to be deemed a placement, yet the father or mother cant even defend at any time.

If these scums are removing a child to take to a court room, why then, are not the partners taking to a court room, with the amount of proof from these scums to remove the child in the first place.

And how many Judges are also in the pocket of DOCS?.
Posted By: Bella2229 Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 04:18:PM
I would say that there a a few judges in the pocket of Docs, for many reasons the main one being they work for the same govenment and cant be seen to not agree with each others bad decisions.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 12 Nov 2008 05:01:PM
Then Death is not a reason to escape, but to live and be a pain in the butt to the system smile
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 08:29:PM
Another exciting day for us who wish to expose docs.

welcome new viewers!!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 08:31:PM
I note the views have gone up considerable in the past 48 hours - was 72,506 views in this topic at 9pm on 12.11.08 and now there is 76,292 at 1800hours 14.11.08.

GOOD!!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 08:45:PM
Hello allies,

did you know in an area of the Gold Coast that has around a population of half a million.
If a letter box drop is done to say 10,000 houses then if only 1 person glances at the flyer then we have reached 1 in 50 people on the Gold Coast.
Now if the flyer makes it to the kitchen table/ inside the house with the other mail and you get 2 people glancing at this flyer then you have reached 1 in every 25 persons on the Gold Coast.

It is do-able.

Professional printers cost around 4 cents per A4 and if you put 2 flyers to an A4 (i.e. the flyer is now A5) you have a cost of 2 cents per flyer.

As we have seen some hot spots are Mermaid Beach and Pine Rivers area - then these are a great place to target. find out just where their catchment area lies and then go about those suburbs and streets.

It is not glamourous but it will get to the people.

Another idea is to hand them out outside schools to parents.
Keep it legal and don't go onto school property stay on the footpath.

So what to write on these flyers??
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 08:47:PM

Child safety concerns?

Are you and your family being treated fairly? some are not.

The public have a right to know.

It may happen to your family!

Read what our state government is doing to families.

View these sites and become informed.

www.aus-city.com (go to general forums)

www.power4parents.org

www.altnews.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 08:48:PM
And...

of course play around with it on your computer so it is centred and in bold print and at least in size 14 font so people don't require glasses to read it.
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 09:51:PM
I heard through the grapevine that someone has posted an advertisement in the Cairns Post asking for anyone who has been wronged by or dealt with DoCS to contact them as they were mounting a class action. Was interested and suprised to hear that it has reached that far north!
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 09:58:PM
Ya, I notice from what I can see, many have popped on.
Just proves, screaming all over the place, some one has to hear. whether they react to the plea, is a different story.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 10:05:PM
is there a link to this?????
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 10:26:PM
if that is the case then that is brilliant to hear.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 13 Nov 2008 10:26:PM
A warm welcome to any new viewers that come to this site!!
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 14 Nov 2008 12:51:AM
Originally Posted by JusticeForAll
I heard through the grapevine that someone has posted an advertisement in the Cairns Post asking for anyone who has been wronged by or dealt with DoCS to contact them as they were mounting a class action. Was interested and suprised to hear that it has reached that far north!


Just sent a email to the Editor Mark Alexander.

Let see what the response say's if I get one.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 14 Nov 2008 12:54:AM
good on you. I am interested too.
I'll be out hunting down a copy of the Cairn's post for my own personal scrutiny if there is!!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 14 Nov 2008 10:14:AM
There definitely is an ad in the Gold Coast Bulletin today. Saturday 15 - 16 November 2008.

See page 117 - look under Pulic notices.
It is an ad in a little box that reads -

Child Safety issues?
www.aus-city.com (see general forums)



Has anyone spotted the ad in the Cairn's post yet?
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 14 Nov 2008 10:15:AM
Weldome new viewers.

And there is another site to view as well

Power4Parents.org
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 14 Nov 2008 10:16:AM
Welcome please read with an open mind!

www.power4parents.org

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 14 Nov 2008 10:31:AM
Welcome new viewers.

Feel free to post if you have any thing you would like to comment on -
Do you have a story about yours or someone's else experience with this department.
Do you have any questions from the regular posters?
Do you have any suggestions about how we could reach the masses out there?

cheers.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 16 Nov 2008 01:03:AM
Hello allies,

I hope you all had a good weekend.
Apparently the ad did go into the Cairn's newspaper.
I will personally follow this up and about viewing it (and informing you of this).
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 16 Nov 2008 01:44:AM
Hi,

When I read the Sunday Mail (16.11.08) I read an interesting article about a 10yo child who was sold as a bride in another country.
Interesting and alarming that this is what is going on in other countries.

But if those other countries read what our state government is doing if people expose their thoughts and that the government's staff are saying that "thoughts are enough for us" wouldn't they be astounded that this so called 1st world country has evolved into madness.

Imagine if docs operated in some countries like where this story originates from (Yemen) then I would hazzard a guess at saying the government would take every child off every parent.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 16 Nov 2008 01:50:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hi,

When I read the Sunday Mail (16.11.08) I read an interesting article about a 10yo child who was sold as a bride in another country.
Interesting and alarming that this is what is going on in other countries.




This is nothing..That has been happening for centuries.
I am of Italian origin, even my father told me, at 12 a girl and boy will get married by 13 she is having a baby.
The system worked in the manner.
One family will pre arrange with another family even before any of those children are even born. the arrangement can be for the purpose of land. to have a wider family circle.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 16 Nov 2008 04:07:PM
Hi,

Just to remind you the views have gone up substantially since late last night - now up to 78,094 views at 1pm today 17.11.08. That's an increase by 700 this monday morning.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 16 Nov 2008 11:23:PM
Hello,

I want to know why when you look at docs glossy information reports the kids always look like they are off an ad for the colours of Benneton
(?spelling).

I have just been looking at the "Department of Child Safety Research Strategy" 2008 update.

And I have to laugh Margaret Keech writes that "The department of Child Safety has four key values; Children, Accountability, Respect and Excellence. Let's strive to CARE as we take on the challenge of child protection."

I am laughing 'cause once I wrote about the CARE factor standing for 'Cover Arse Remain Employed'.

Yeah, docs C.A.R.E alright. ha ha. They make up false allegations and then cover their arse by making up more lies.

Then this piece of work goes on to talk about "Quality Practice"
There's lots of interesting stuff in point form there. The bit that jumps out to me (only because of our personal experience) is the "Attanchment and trauna in chidren and young people in the child protection system."
I just wonder how they will manage this - remember in my story the child is removed because child is deemed at risk due to mother's thoughts and then is actually abused whilst in foster care and then further traumatised through being shipped interstate to NSW and docs want the mother (me) and father to end up having a shared care situation dispite the 200km separating them. But in the end docs dump the child back into the care of the mother. No further work or words about any trauma. In fact they went to length to cover the fact that the child was abused whilst in foster care.
Remember I have those photos of my child that depicts the aggression (trauma) on his face those initial months after docs return him home. Poor kid wouldn't know what was going on.

Anyway have a look at this and make up your own mind.

Then the last picture is of an extended family who look very upper middle class. Nice clothing, nice teeth, nice back yard, nice haircuts.
Hmmm, do docs propose that all children in care look like this? Or that they think 'normal' families look like this? All of them decked out in white.

It reminds me of something you might see from an old communist regime, like something of their propoganda whereby they are trying to portray their livestyles as carefree and happy yet in reality the people are in slums.

I personally think those Margaret Keech types and her ilk that are so far up the chain have no idea to what really does on down here.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 16 Nov 2008 11:28:PM
Ms Jan STuckey said docs cover up the fact that there are now 10% more children in care than last report!!!

Ms Stuckey also said that by docs way of scooping up every child they are causing many attachment problems alone through this method.

Come on docs start to work out that prevention is better than cure. Start to work on keeping families together and strengthening them through support, education and referal resources.
Make the community your friend not increasingly your enemy.

WE DON'T TRUST YOU.

START TO HEAR THE PEOPLE.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 01:31:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood

Apparently the ad did go into the Cairn's newspaper.


I have had no feed back as yet from the Editor....

if as you stated did go into, the post.
then can ya supply a link?.

Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 03:36:AM
if media decided to look and maybe investigate a few of the Abused and hear and to see what we have to show.
Then maybe the real hard Truth will be seen for what it really is, Corruption. Un_Professionalism conduct. Then the said abuse to the child they claim to protect, These protectors do more harm to the children, then any other human on earth.
If media,a reporter had the compassion to reveal to the public, to the world, how the Australian hypocritical Government abuses this factor, Then we have a chance to be heard and for Justice to prevail.

The theory of DOCS is good.just not logical in the laws of it.
They need re_education and learn to 100% not to do the same again.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:04:PM
Thisisgood:

I rang the Cairns post spoke to a Roger, They know nothing about that Class action.

SO who is lieing ???.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:09:PM
Hi,

Today in The Australian (November 18, 2008; page 7) there is further articles about "Child Abuse costing Community $11bn". It goes to say that a report published by Access Economics counts the cost of child abuse on the health, education and welfare systems. It goes on to point out there is no current reliable national data on the number of Australian children suffering child abuse. this organisation extrapolated from Australian Bureau of Statistics data on personal safety to arrive at a 'conservative' figure of 177,000 children.

What I see as a better article is from yesterday's The Australian (17.11.2008; page 7).
It is titled "Fostering Trouble".
It says "Fostering care doesn't work in the long term"; "there are 28,000 children in care, double the number in 1997".
"By the age of eight or 10, many of these children are so damaged they can no longer stay in foster homes. They spend a few years bouncing around the system, from one foster home to anotherm and then bouncing from youth hostel to police station to the street, before ending up in jail."

This article goes on to mention 4 suggestions
1. Abolish mandatory reporting
2. Prop up the birth parents.
3. Pay and train staff properly.
4. Speed up the adoption process.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:12:PM
And what to do when these fostered children that bounce around home to home? the government then farms them out to private operators who get paid $$$ to look after the most unplaceable children.

It becomes a money making exercise that businesses can gather the government dollar now after these children become so damaged that they can't fit into a normal household.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:20:PM
yo.
I have no concerns about statistics.

I have concerns of how and when I/we can get DOCS into a courtroom.

I am also concerned about Chinese whispers.
I dont Fabricate events, what I said 5 yrs ago, I still say to this day. The same.

Why is there people on here Fabricating about a class action ?.

I want truth and Justice, Not lies and deception.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:24:PM
And Mr Andrew McCallum from the Association of Chilren's Welfare Agencies says that this snatch and grab method of taking children off parents is short sighted - "It's short-term political thinking and it's very damaging for children".

"Honestly, if we were to start from scratch and design a system to protect children fro harm, would it involved taking them away from their parents at every opportunity? Of course it wouldn't."

"We'd have a preventative model, the same as we do with public health. Everybody understands the role of preventation when it comes to health. Everybody understands that you have to encourage people to stop smoking, to eat healthily. But with child welfare, there's this idea that parents must be punished by taking the children."

"What we could do instead is throw resources at these households. It may mean insuring the children are taken to school each day; that the mother attends a drug treatment centre; that breakfast pregrams are put into place; that mental health services visit the home."

It's a good article.
I applaud this man Mr Andrew McCaullum, who is the Chief Executive of the above mentioned organisation.
He puts it into simply english and terms.
It is not rocket science this effective pro- active, simplistic, preventative meaures to keep children safe and together within the family unit.

HELLO HEAR US GOVERNMENT.
OTHER PEOPLE/ ORGANISATIONS ARE SAYING THE SAME MESSAGE.

I AM NOT JUST SOME FREAK ON MY COMPUTER, WHO SHOULD BE IGNORED.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:25:PM
28,000 children in care right now as I type this.

Hmmm, sounds like 28,000 next generation stolen chidren.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:31:PM
So who has the balls to change this current system?
The snatch and grab method (or scooping method as some call it) does not work in the best interests of the children.

I am so sick of hearing these front lines docs worker say "we are only concerned about the child".

Oh let's get real, it isn't in the best interests of the child.

So who needs are we meeting? Not the child's, not the families',not the communities, not your or mine.

Remember Ms Margaret Keech's C.A.R.E. values (children, accountability, respect, excellence)we know the truth it stands for Cover Arse Remain Employed.
Yep, that's whose needs it is meeting.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:39:PM
And before I answer Mr Sniper.

I also read about how all these private carer type companies are gleaming lots of money for these children classified as difficult. So why can't the money be sent towards keeping the family unit together?? the parents are victimised instead.

And as a side issue I bet docs/ government body later go in and later reassess these kids after a certain time frame and then scale their rating down of the child and their needs so they can then be placed back into group housing situations and presto they would decompensate in their behaviours. this would be done due to cost not through concern for child.

See I am personally convinced that the government DOES NOT really care one bit about any child in this state. It is about money.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:40:PM
So maybe next time one of those uninformed power crazy child Safety Officers try and say "oh we are only concerned with the child"; they should say " We are only concerned about the government's purse".
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:40:PM
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAT CURE.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:42:PM
Now Mr sniper, yes I understand what you are saying. Is someone setting us up?
It was Ms Justice4All who said that there is supposed to be an ad calling people for class action against docs.
Ask her.
I didn't follow it up (as I said I would) but it looks like you did.

?dead end?
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 04:45:PM
thisisgood... How long did it take you to work that out?

We keep them all employed.

Without parents like us - they'd be redundant.

They don't touch the children who are suffering with extreme mental challenges (and help the families out) because they don't want their case workers to get hurt.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 05:00:PM
The phone number for Cairn's Post is
(07) 4052 6666.

OK to end rumours about this class action thing posted into the Cairn's Post in their weekend newspaer.
I just rang the newspaper direct. I spoke with a Sophia in the newsroom and

YES

an ad did run on the weekend. (15.11.08)

The wording goes on along these lines (Sophia read it so quickly I couldn't write it all down)

Parent's and guardian of cairn's district, who have been incorrectly dealt with by the Department of child Safety please ring
Angela
0429160656
to register to mount class action against this department.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 05:00:PM
YES the ad did go into Cairn's post

ring Angela

0429 160 656



I'm going to ring her now.....
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 05:02:PM
ha ha ha the mobile number is switched off at this point in time.

I'll try later.

Also I gave my details to Cairn's Post as they look to be aiming to write a story about all this. I gave them this web site etc.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 05:07:PM
Incidentally, there has been around 1,400 views onto this forum alone in the past 24 hours.

Ohh I feel excited, I want to go and hand out flyers, bugger this rain!!!
Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 05:08:PM
Oooh!

I reckon I know who it was who posted that ad about a class action. LOL
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 05:22:PM
I think I might go off and contact a few people over this call for class action thing.

Ha ha - I want to actually see someone take docs to court and WIN. Then it will open the flood gates.

I wrote as the last paragraph of my official complaint about how docs operated in our lives, which by the way I still have not heard anything about -

"It is plain to see that one day if this sort of unprofessional practice continues then the Queensland government is going to find themselves liable through class action.
It will be a scramble to find who to point and shift the blame to when The Queensland Department of Child Safety is reined in for investigation."
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 06:37:PM
In my reading I am seeing where there is an estimate that 1 in 20 children will have a notification taken out on them before these children reach 18 yo.
One in 20 is pretty high.
I am reading where the likes of Dorothy Scott (Australian Centre for Child Protection) is saying that the current child protection methods is not sustainable.

well we know this.

Prevention is better than cure.

I also read where there is apparently lots of organisations that work with families in a preventative measure. But from where I stand as a community health worker in South East Queensland I can only name a handful. I am on the front line here; am I somehow misinformed?

There is a real needs basis for more support for families. For there to be more effective parenting strategies taught.

I watch parents in action in the community, I see what goes on like you do. It is rare to see parents smack children but I listen to what people say to their kids, it is not always good and these parents/ caregivers don't look to be drug affected, mental health service recipients either.

And having said that I am by far not the best parent in the world; let's get that clear.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 06:39:PM
Hello to the FOI person I just spoke to from docs. I hope you enjoy what you read here!

(I just had a phone call saying there is such a back log that it is taking realistically 12 months to get your file copy back under FOI)
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 07:00:PM
another blanket statement....it is deemed a refusal when they do not supply the info within the allocated time........too much to hide .....
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 07:02:PM
Ya right, I did the same
One from the QLD cops and that took less then 4 weeks to get to me.
and the DOCS, 8 months it took to get to me, and even then when I was ringing up every week, she informs me of the Forde inquire, and the redress scheme.
Thats the government conceding they Abused and are stupid.

They abused me when i was a youth, as they do now, and as they are doing to my offsprings. The cycle hasnt stopped.

I have rang Angela, and have spoken to her.

Troopers: lets get this party started.

And DOCS, bring a check book.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 07:05:PM
that explains why they are still abusing you Docsniper...the stories of their treatment on you as a young person.....yep that is definitely their modem operandum.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 07:21:PM
I was a lab rat for them, was experimented upon, made to do things I now know was so frking wrong.
That lousy 7000 and a fake sorry will be peanuts compare to what they will be paying me soon.

And the stupid thing is, back in 2003, if they then investigated this issue with me, when I went to the office and asked for that half way point. this would not be happening now.

If the workers had more of a brain and a little compassion to also seek the truth. then this compo would never been mentioned.
And 3 children would not have gone to waste.
But then again. if DOCS did the job correctly, I would still have a family, I would still have the love and i would still be wanted for the man I am.

Congrats to DOCS your own Bullshit has final hit you in the face.
The more you continue to crap on the more you will have to pay, Simple logics.

Now lets see how many workers in the next few weeks consider another from of employment.
By golly....:D
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 11:13:PM
hi,

Mr sniper what 7,000 are you talking about?
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 17 Nov 2008 11:25:PM
$7000 compensation that was giving to me to waste on living in SA when Family SA removed me from a home to the streets and then to the watch house to a living room on a mattress on the floor, paying $130 pw being there over 5 weeks, money wasted trying to survive.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 12:32:AM
Hi,

I just wish to point out to the viewers that only keep looking at this topic alone that there are 4 other pages of topics.
If you care to scroll down on this first page to
"A neglectful system" it is very good reading and just posted on today.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 02:32:PM
more government oppression is about to rear its ugly head

whomever the gov considers are a dysfunctional family......and they certainly are creating them by their own antics........ are bringing in what they already have initiated with the Indiginous community....complete control of people's welfare payments.....

that means...they wont give you cash but vouchers....just like the Aboriginal people have happening to them this very day....

my question is who are going to monitor the dysfunctional families of the perpetrators of this heinous scheme....and is this removing and wrecking of family units part of the plot to take over....

gov have society fooled into thinking that dysfunctional families are only those whho are monetary poverished...even most of this is because of the corruption and oppression of basic human rights....fact is there are more dysfunctional families in the upper class sector of society.....and it is their activities that oppress the lower class.

Interesting by the standards of this day and age...that when these welfare payments were first introduced in the early 1900's.....the recipients were given ...equal to today's standards .four times the amount that are given today.....

The elderly and the young in this country are in a very sad situation.....and one can only thank the middle sector of society for their apathetic and selfish mentality....greed avarice etc etc etc
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 02:41:PM


THE GREAT AUSSIE ATTITUDE



SHE'LL BE RIGHT MATE



NOT !!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 03:10:PM
yeah! ay, fool the world, with paul hogan..and the ad for terrorism, I mean tourism.

and the echoing words of, Fair go, Mate!!!!!.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 04:42:PM
Hi,

I am so glad you mentioned this kickemout.
I read it on the front page of The Australian (19.11.08) today.
It states there that it will be the child protection agencies will be the ones who will control this welfare issue as it is mainly targeting the ones who are known already to child protection services.
So I walked off thinking about it all.
More power to these docs type agencies! More power to the government.

I see the pros and cons to this.

At least it will be targeting the whites as well as the blacks so to avoid discrimination.

Then i thought all us who are branded 'bad parents' could end up with docs liaising with Centrelink.
I thought about myself in all this when docs were involved in my life.
I thought since docs involvement basically brought no benefits to our lives but physical, emotional and neglect style of abuse to my son whilst in foster care and I am left with a $20,000 bills to fight docs in court. So I had to remortgage my home for another $20,000. (How many times do I tell you this point!)

Hmmm, docs getting involved in my finances??

Inicdentally I am paying $525 per week in home loan repayments (which is about 3.8 the basic amount) - just so the viewers get an idea.

I do get around $50.00 per week from Centrelink because I am a single parent. It doesn't go on your financial situation but rather that you are a single parent so even if I grossed one million per annum I will always get this minimum benefit each week from Centrelink.

So then I thought I would like (in fantasy) to get a tatoo stamped on my forehead (where the 666 should go) and it should say this along with the docs file number -

BAD PARENT
#666


Anyway on the postitive side at least this control isn't going to just be for my dark skinned brothers alone.

I once worked in an aboriginal community as a registered nurse. I want to see how this new system works.
Will it work? I'll be surprised if it does.

I am concerned about this handout turning into a further control of these people. It does not empower people but will further stigmatize them. I can see dodgy dealings going on - black market stuff- swapping grocery vouchers for slabs of VB.

I want to see real statistics of the outcome of this after 12, 24, 36 months afterwards.

I am not convinced.

It is bit of a knee jerk reaction to get around the racist issue that this sort of thing brings.


Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 04:44:PM
And hey, it doesn't concern me. The mentality of "F the abo's and scum on the dole, they deserve it".

Where is the education component to all this? I bet it won't exist. It will just be a punitive intervention.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 04:50:PM
i HAVE MANY LETTERS FROM ABORIGINAL ELDERS FROM ALL OVER AUSTRALIA WHICH HAVE BEEN SENT TO ME....THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE DOLING OUT OF VOUCHERS....THEY DO NOT WANT IT OR THE GOV INTERVENTION....ONE ELDERLY LADY SAYS THAT SHE CANT FIX HER CAR BECOS THEY WONT GIVE HER THE MONEY, AND SO SHE CANT GO AND SHOP OR GET HER MEDICATION.......THIS SORT OF THING IS IN ALL OF THEIR LETTERS....GOV CONTROL = NOTHING LESS THAN SLAVERY WHICH = DEPRIVATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 04:56:PM
WHERE ARE ALL THESE YOU BEAUTY HUMAN RIGHTS, ETC ETC GEEKS....CRAWLING UNDER THEIR DESKS.....NO DOUBT...WHAT ABOUT KEECH AND HER MINISTRY FOR WOMEN.....ARE YOUR STAFF NOT FORWARDING ALL THE COMPLAINTS.....ANNA BLIGH....FEEDING TOURISTS INSTEAD OF THE ELDERLY...AND NOT SUPPORTING THE WOMEN AND THEIR BABIES......EASIER TO PUT FAECES INTO THE WATER.....DONT WE GET ENOUGH OF IT OVER THE NEWS....?
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 05:49:PM
Hi,

I just wish to state that I am not afraid of 'spilling my guts' on this forum.

I want the viewers to understand that it is not always the minority group who get targeted by docs.
If you saw me and saw me in action in my home with my child, at work, etc you would be scratching your head as to why docs removed child for up to 7 months.
If you saw me 1 hour, 1 week, 1 year before docs intervened in our lives you would not think there would ever be a notification on my child.

Docs have taken us to hell and back. they are finished with me. And if they tried any of their crap on us again I know exactly how to play the game.
Their games and lies would not stand up in court again.

I choose to tell you things about myself, I choose to disclose my personal information.

No forum or person is accountable for me if the government picks on me due to what I disclose!

There is a thing called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

So if docs are still in your lives then I do say play it smart, do think about what you write. So be careful with how much you disclose. Do imagine where it could lead to.

It is your actions - you own it.
No one on this forum forced your hand to type.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 05:57:PM
Well said this is good....... It is not wise to put your case forward when you are still active with the dolts of gov....remember they will use anything to discredit you....it is best left to those who have been through it all....remember the purpose here is to bring public attention to what is happening in your lives......it is not the intent of anyone to further traumatise your already trraumatised life....we all know what any gov is capable of in attempts to cover their own butts...... it is of utmost importance not to jeoprodise your current position with these dolts....remember they have the country's best legal eagles fighting you and they know it.....such is the unjustice system of this somewhat God forsaken governing body.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 06:00:PM
Hi,

I wrote the above as I am lead to believe that someone 'spilt their guts' on here about 2 or 3 weeks ago and now docs are wreaking further havoc in their lives.
And then because power4parents is encouraging folk to write out their experiences people are now targeting the blame onto this one person.

Have a look in the aus-city forum, under general, under power4parents, under the first topic. I am not imagining it.

And I would like to put it out there for all to see and to end the chinese whispers that go on behind the scenes.

I ask you - look at people's motives. It was written by power4parents with the best of intention -P4P was not intending to get anyone into trouble.
P4P's intentions are to expose what this government organisation is doing to some families, how they operate, how to play their game, to educate the public and to be an advocate for families who are under docs scrutiny. How to avoid the docs trap in the first place and how to be a more effective parent.
P4P is alturistic in her motives.

Don't listen to gossip, get it right by hearing both sides of the stories.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 18 Nov 2008 11:59:PM
Class Action
against the Department of Child Safety, Queensland.

call Angela 0429 160 656

it's for real. I rang her today.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 12:37:AM
I 2nd that
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 03:55:PM
Hi,

today in The Courier Mail ( around page 5 - 20.11.08) there is an article about clamping down on bad parents. It goes on about centrelink getting involved along with other agencies and linking it all up. Some man who was from some organisation (can't remember now as I didn't buy the paper just had a free read in the newsagent!) said that too much abuse is going on.

This article in The Courier Mail was basically saying too many bad parents and too many child abuse cases going on.

Yet just this same week we have a different picture painted by The Australian.
It was intimating that Child Protection is failing our children and close to collapse. In those articles it talks about how too many children are taken into care as the workers worry about if they get it wrong. They have the laws to back them up to put these children into care even if these CSO types are not fully convinced themselves that the children are at grave risk of harm.

The Australian (Monday 17.11.08 - page 7) states -
"Children who go into care at a very young age end up with attachment problems. Research has shown that their brains don't develop properly. They have difficulty trusting anyone."

Yes, think back to those developmental theorist - Errickson (?spelling?)
Trust versus Mistrust
Autonomoy versus shame and doubt

So by taking children out of their homes the government is exposing the children to developmental problems.

So whilst we are 'saving' these vulnerable children by removing them we are adding to any problems the child may face.

Remember docs give more attention to under 5 yo -
which could be interpreted that there is more of a chance these children will be removed from their homes.


So throwing more money at docs/ child protection services is NOT the answer.
Just last evening I was going through the statistics of how much funding docs is receiving each financial year. It is growing enormously.

but the assistance offerred to parents and care-givers does not have the same growth.

The prevention measures does not seem to be considered but rather more power to snatch and grab.

So all you people who just read The Courier please get a more complete picture of the complexities of this issues and read around the subject at hand.

Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 04:04:PM
sounds like all their lines are crossed through gross mis information.....or it is being done to confuse the public....
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 04:29:PM
So what is just around for parents to get assistance with??

I think it was yesterday that I said I don't think there is much around. Today I decided to write out what I can think of.

The fact is that most parents who come to the attention of docs have a history of domestic violence, drug & alcohol issues, mental health issues.

So I personally would recommend you if you fall into these categories to seek education, support and help from these organisations -

ring D.V helpline -

You can obtain counselling by seeing your GP and getting a 'mental health care plan' which is basically a referral to a counsellor. There are free psychologist on the Gold Coast.

Centre care

Life Line (these organisations like can direct you to suitable options)

OzCare

Salvation Army

Relationships Australia

Family Relationship services

StVincent's de Paul "children and Families Program" at Beenleigh ph: 3807 6623

There is the triple P parenting course held at various locations

Drug & alcohol issues - ring Biala or look at attending the 'back in control' program. there is ADIS 24 hours counselling service.
AMMEND - a NGO c/o Anglican church
and there is alway AA and NA.

Parent Chld and family Support Program - run by QuIHN - 3854 1070

Parent help line

Mens line Australia - 1300 78 99 78

Parent child therapy unit - Psychology Dept. Griffith Uni.

Foundations child and Family Support Ltd. 1300 854 733

And often there are some groups/ services held at your local neighbourhood centre

If docs are telling you to see some professional of their choice I would be inclined to get a 2nd opinion as often these say differently to what docs chosen professional diagnoses your problem as.
You are always entitled to a second opinion.

So get pro-active and don't just whinge about docs and do something and get proof of what you attend.

Homeless? try HOST or HHOT

If docs are trying to say you are 'non compliant' with your medication regieme then you can always get a print out of your scripts filled at your chemist as proof.


And remember avoid ringing docs at all costs!!



Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 04:32:PM
when you do ring them...they are never available anyway.......

nor di you get a call back....just that infamous silent treatment...then the crisis mob get on your case too......that is when the trouble really starts.....remember they are all the same mob!!!!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 04:50:PM
Hi,

Now to clear things up.

We are not pro child abuse or condone it in any way.

We, the people, who are on this forum believe that the child protection unit in Queensland is staffed by many corrupt staff who twist the facts, outrightly lie to further incriminate parents and care givers.
We believe that there should be more protective measures in place before a decision is made to snatch and grab the children deemed 'at risk' and therefore more funding going into this area, if the child abuse issue is so huge as government statistics show it is.
We believe that there needs to be some form of better organised family inclusion group in Queensland to assist families instead of docs way of persecuting them.
We believe that most parents/ caregiver do not intend to be 'bad parents' and need assistance to be more effective in their parenting skills.
We believe that the Child Protection Act 1999 needs reform
We believe there should be a newer independent enquiry into the operations in docs.
We believe there should be class action for all those wronged deliberately by docs where harm and negligence occurs.
We believe in educating the public to what is really going on with this department.
We believe that the current system in place is ineffective in this day and age resulting often in more harm than good.
We believe there need to be more research and results published about families who have had docs in their lives.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 04:52:PM
Hi,

Just so the viewers know.

I have had some private messages from parents that are not going public who echo the same sentiments and problems dealing with docs as the majority of us who write on this forum.
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 04:52:PM
And I will second that statement
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 05:39:PM
and something like SBS forum and to debate these facts and issues so that the wider community is aware.
How are they going to know our demands if no one is telling them ?.

Look at Hicks...speaking out and now we get 2 sides of a story.

The Unions would never let the government push.
yet we the abused and defamed have no Union.


union of abused Parents PTY.

Abused families union for justice

Pada Parents Against Docs Abuse




Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 06:03:PM
and then on top of that, when we complain to the CMC,Ombudsman, DOCS complaint unit,.
They just sit at the desk fingering themselves and class that as a investigation.

Family SA has Proven that, Told me. I have investigated your claims and found them,.....................Never mind your guilty............I believe what I am told to read.

I have in investigated and am satisfied that you are guilty.....

Again, They just sit at the desk fingering themselves and class that as a investigation.

Not Once did any of these FRKheads ever Question my eldest son, Not once did they Investigate My eldest son.
Not once did they investigated the witness's I have to events fabricated by DOCS and Family SA.

and over a phone they Investigate, Thru a Fax They investigate.
By whispering to other DOCS workers, they investigate.
By even them thinking. they investigate to a personal opinion to add more to you.

Yeps. They truly do investigate, They Investigate to how many more they can Abuse.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 06:46:PM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
So what is just around for parents to get assistance with??

I think it was yesterday that I said I don't think there is much around. Today I decided to write out what I can think of.

The fact is that most parents who come to the attention of docs have a history of domestic violence, drug & alcohol issues, mental health issues.

So I personally would recommend you if you fall into these categories to seek education, support and help from these organisations -

ring D.V helpline -

You can obtain counselling by seeing your GP and getting a 'mental health care plan' which is basically a referral to a counsellor. There are free psychologist on the Gold Coast.

Centre care

Life Line (these organisations like can direct you to suitable options)

OzCare

Salvation Army

StVincent's de Paul "children and Families Program" at Beenleigh ph: 3807 6623

There is the triple P parenting course

Drug & alcohol issues - ring Biala or look at attending the 'back in control' program. there is ADIS 24 hours counselling service.
alway AA and NA.

Parent Chld and family Support Program - run by QuIHN - 3854 1070

Parent help line

Parent child therapy unit - Psychology Dept. Griffith Uni.

If docs are telling you to see some professional of their choice I would be inclined to get a 2nd opinion as often these say differently to what docs chosen professional diagnoses your problem as.
You are always entitled to a second opinion.

So get pro-active and don't just whinge about docs and do something and get proof of what you attend.

Homeless? try HOST or HHOT

If docs are trying to say you are 'non compliant' with your medication regieme then you can always get a print out of your scripts filled at your chemist as proof.


And remember avoid ringing docs at all costs!!





Great advice thisisgood but not foolproof with the dept so beware, the Dept can and will ignore these efforts, it will be more for the Magistrates attention to satisfy...

But other than that...very good advice to heed in your own lives anyway...
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 07:29:PM
That is so very odd.
that down south, you will get some form of assistance.

Centre care
Life Line (these organisations like can direct you to suitable options)
OzCare
Salvation Army
StVincent's de Paul "children and Families Program"
There is the triple P parenting course
Drug & alcohol issues - ring Biala or look at attending the 'back in control' program. there is ADIS 24 hours counselling service.
alway AA and NA.
Parent Chld and family Support Program
Parent help line
Mens help line
DIDs
And endless of others.

All rejected to offer any form of help, concerning DOCS.

As soon as They know its Me, the offer of help is no more.
A good EG: to that, was a advocacy agent that did offer help, he even offered to pay for the Taxi there and back home. he said, Bring your documents.
not even 5 mins later ,he rings back up and says, Cant help.
I then file a complaint to the Anti discrimination,only to be told 6 weeks later, I wasnt discriminated against...YA, RIGHT!!!.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 10:58:PM
hi,

OK there is always the Victims of Crime. this is a subsidiary arm of Relationships Austrlian.

They are willing to offer free counselling to anyone who has been a victim of crime whether reported or not.

So if you have been a victim of docs crimes (lies and allegations that are false) you have every right to see these people for counselling./

And the brochure say on the back....

"To contact Victims Counselling and Support Services
Call 1300 139 703
24 hours a day for infromatioin, referral and counselling appointments."

I know I have mentioned this before.

But put here for the newer viewers.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 11:06:PM
Hi,

so whilst I have attempted to put on here some of the services that are available when I sprouted off yesterday that there doesn't seem to be much.

What I do mean is that I would like to see docs have another action that is prior to removing children.
That would be to do a global type assessment that encompases maybe a group of professionals (not just a new CSO who has extremely limited experience) and then past onto the appropriate organisations.

There does need to be more organisations that actually go into the homes and help parents/ caregivers on day to day management related to parenting issues.

Then after a time frame like (pulling something out of my head) say 2 months THEN snatch and grab the children.

I think the way the government operates it's docs system they are going straight to the top shelf and going all guns blazing legally which incriminate parents.
So why not empower parents, help people learn to make better choices etc.

The need to be throwing bucket loads of money into foster carers and constantly increasing docs budget wouldn't need to happen.

It's not rocket science.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 11:10:PM
Hi,
Some of docs ground workers (i.e CSO and their supervisors) often are like the screws in a jail or the corrections officer. They have a very punitive view of people/ parents.
It is almost like they think they have to dole out the punishments. therefore you end up with this bullying mentality whereby these workers are abusing their power in society to intimidate those people on the other side of the counter.

So I would like to say your time is up.
That behaviour is not acceptable anymore.
Smarten up your act and get more professional.
Earn respect from the community.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 11:26:PM
Hi,

Look I gotta get something clear. I am not trying to hog this topic. I know I have plenty to say and I made a committment when I first stumbled accross this site to post something on here on a daily basis.

Why I post is because the amount of daily views this gets is phenomenal.

For example in the last 24 hours- -i.e. from 8.30pm last night (Wednesday 19.11.08) up to now - i.e. 8.30 tonight (Thursday 20.11.08) we have reached a new daily target - 2,000 views.

I am not lying - 2,000 views in the past 24 hours alone.

Usually this topic gets around 1,000 views per day and it has sharply being going up in the past week or so.

So for this reason alone I am very committed to posting on here.

If I ever go abruptly silent. You will know that something terrible has happened to me.

ihategov, by the way, has gone off to attend to another project. He is ok.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 19 Nov 2008 11:32:PM
Hi,

(As you can imagine I am the type who has to always have the last say!)

I know this topic is the most viewed.
But I would like to draw your attention to the fact there are many other topics about docs.

Firstly, if you google Aus-city forums
then scroll down to general forums
when you hit onto The Department of child Safety
you will see lots of little topics under this one.

Also in the general forums is power4parents. that is newer and has some very good information on it.

Also you can google Power4parents.org
and come to the actual home page of power4parents. this is excellent reading if you are actually dealing with docs in your life.

Then lastly but definitely not least. Is altnews.
That is an awesome sight. It give you an insight into just how many people deal with docs.

I wish you all luck smile
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 20 Nov 2008 04:04:PM
Hello,

another day. Hope this finds the viewers well and enjoying their Friday. It is very hot here in South East Queensland. And sadly it is the last day of my holidays too.

By the way I have added some extra services to the list that I posted yesterday.

So what's in today's Australian re: child welfare issues?

Page 3 - The Australian (21.11.08)
another report from Caroline Overington

"Children ignored in Care Report"

Former judge James Wood QC is preparing to hand down a landmark report on child welfare, having not met any of the 12,800 children in state care.
The Australianunderstands that Justice Wood did meet four young people at his city office who were once in care, but none was a state ward.
He has not visited any foster homes or foster children as part of his investigation into child welfare.
Indeed, it is not clear that he has met any young chidren caught in the welfare system, or visited any of the motels, caravan parks, foster homes, and group homes where they live."

It goes onto to say that "The Australian spent several weeks visiting foster children in their homes, some of which were overcrowded and dirty."

And apparently Create Foundation had a meeting with young people (in care) April 2007 and "the young people had stressed the importance of stability in their foster care placements. They also apprectiated ongoing contact with their birth parents."

To me the message from this article is clear. These powers that be have got no idea of what is really going on.

Good on you Ms Overington for telling it as it is.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 20 Nov 2008 04:10:PM
Also I am now proudly driving around with a sticker on the rear screen of my car that reads

Child Safety - the REAL truth
Power4parents.org

I will borrow that well known saying from the gay community (hope you folk don't mind) but I am 'out and proud' on this issue on child protection.
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 20 Nov 2008 04:43:PM
Oh wow, cool...I want to come'out and proud' too...LOL.

Living up to your username thisisgood, because THISISGOOD!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 20 Nov 2008 08:15:PM
Hi,

Just a quick up date on the viewing count.

there is 1,644 views in the past 24 hours.

Not bad for a Friday afternoon.

Yesterday was the record setter with 2,000 views.

It is up to 84,497 views.

And what does someone like me do over the weekend?
Just what does a bad parent do with their child?

Well we might do a few garage sales.
Go to the library and get out around 40 books for the next fortnight, alway have consumed this many books since child was around 2 and half.(kids books).
swim in the pool morning and night.
Go to the creek and investigate on low tide.
visit some friends.
Play lego or cars together.
Draw
and of course let the child indulge in child's computer game addiction and tv viewing both which are only allowed on weekends (unless sick).

Somwhere in all this - whilst child is going hard on computer/tv viewing I will cook up some food to freeze and tidy bits of the house up and get ready for work Monday morning.

child's father who docs deemed as a more suitable parent. Will not be around. does not pay any maintenance whatsoever (exempt until Nov 2009 - another issue of mine). will not ring. But when does front up to see child continues to question my parenting ability - 'are you reading to child; do you give lots of hugs to child; are you getting child involved in some sport like tennis' (and states child needs to get involved in something child enjoys - but no mention of assisting in paying for any of it). Actually idiot, oops meant to say father, even wrote me a letter about getting child into a private school - again no mention of paying for it. This is the man who bathed child once in 6 days whilst child was there on school holidays and child lost 1.1 kilos whilst there in 1 week!!!
And then when I get the police report back under FOI father is reported as saying he has had no suspicions of me abusing child ever before and will report any suspicions.
Viewers it is me who is suspicious of the father.
Wouldn't you if the paternal grandparent said to you about the father 'he is the sort that shouldn't have anything to do with women or children". That was said to me a year or so prior to docs involvement.
It was me who rang to whinge about the father.
When father does have access visits with child, I send clothes and food because I know the father is not that capable.
And whilst docs had child removed and into father's care - father had to get child taken in ambulance when child was sick one night. Later father asks if I can help pay the $300 bill for child's ambulance ride as he doesn't have any money.
I also gave the paternal grandmother a couple of hundred dollars for child's food, as well as send all the clothes and all the toys down.
So I question that bit about being willing and able. docs decided the father as being 'able'.
I laugh at all this. what crap. the man is a looser - he can't see that he should focus on when the child is in his care and not worry about how I parent.
And didn't he badger me to come to my home after docs breached my privacy an gave out my address to this woman abusing male.
"I just want to see what child's room looks like'.
Well, what about having a look through photos.

And viewers you must think - she must really bate him. Well ok, in the past I have challenged him on things he says. but after I said to docs chosen psychologist that I would "SIT UP. SHUT UP and PUT UP". I do. I just give out one of my knowing type smiles and go home and document.

Because that's what you women really have to do in this country in regards to abusive males, the law won't protect you. So learn early you just have to SIT UP. PUT UP and SHUT UP.

One of my biggest regrets is that I told this male that he was going to be a father. If I hadn't my existance would have been a lot more peaceful!
But we can't turn back the clock.

And you are doomed with docs if you are in an abusive relationship.
If you stay they take the child off you saying you are not the protective parent.
If you leave and run for your life as I did whilst pregnant (father got my address/ aliases subpoened off Centrelink by a solicitor - NO such thing as privacy act - it has limitations) and then the father continues to give you grief and you are stressed out and foolishly ring docs like idiot me did. then docs take your child off you and find the father the more suitable parent and turn a blind eye to the male's behaviours to you and previous disinterest in parenting child.
docs then take over the bullying role and side with the father. It feeds into these males' egos.
It's a sick sort of joke that I don't get.
Father now forever sees me as a bad parent. He thinks it is his right to check up on my parenting.

Wow, I really went off!!

I probably sound like a spoilt brat.

But then docs enquired why I was wanting to look at adoption whilst pregnant. They used this against me. I said after father was extremely abusive toward me, I changed my landline, sought legal assistance as what to do, wanted to look at all my options. I rang about adoption in all this. But the law says if you know who the father is then you cannot adopt if he is not willing for this to happen.
So I couldn't even consider adopting child out.
but then father never wanted to actually have sole custody of child. I asked him this on several occassions whilst being abusive with me.
(when docs became involved he pretended he wanted the child and went and took me to the family courts for full custody under the blessing of docs).
So these males are allowed to block a woman from possible adoption, leave her solely with the child, leave her with full responsibility of parenting, not willing to pay any maintenance and pretend to be a loving father.

I'm sorry but the current systems back the male all the way. Do I make my point clear?

But putting all that aside. I love my child. I have always done the best I can.
But I do ask why do I have to bust my gut by working full time, now be also limited in what sort of job I can do as it needs to be family friendly. Never have any 'me' time. Somehow run this house as well as work 40 hours a week in a very demanding job. Then when I am not at work and with child to be full care giver.
And whilst I am doing this the father is probably out there on his surf board lying in the sea and probably striking up a conversation with the bloke next to him and talking about 'bad mothers'.

this was my beef when I spoke/ rang docs. I thought oh good, look this woman looks like a die hard feminist (dyke looking) I thought I have a sister here to whinge to.

boy oh boy was i wrong. She sided up with the male.
My issues still remain the same.
But I just sit up, shut up and put up with the father's continuous comments.

And to put it into perspective. Whilst I certainly do not like this father of my child I am polite to his face. I can make small talk and joke. So that is why when docs were covering up the abuse child received in foster care they didn't realise that whilst I do not like this man we talk for the sake of the child. It was the father who informed me about the abuse happening and docs covering it up. That CSO must have thought she had him in her pocket against me.





Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Thu 20 Nov 2008 08:26:PM
imagine what the father will say when he see the sticker on my car.
ha ha I'll offer him one.

(and for the record I am passionate on a whole bunch of social justice type issues. I am not a bitter type even if I sound like one.)

anyway today I am wearing a black wrist band that I bought in a clothes shop. it says
"Not silent. Men. Not violent".

enough, i'm off now that child is away from TV.

Have a great weekend viewers!

Talk to you Monday night.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 22 Nov 2008 11:08:PM
What the....?!!

It's Sunday night (23.11.08) and in the past 24 hours we have had 1,938 views.
Where are all you viewers from?

Anyway back to Idol. Who is going to win? Personally I would like to see Luke win. Give the unknown Aussie a go.

Talk to you Monday night.
Take care.


Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 22 Nov 2008 11:42:PM
Well, Troopers.

I created a bet on the idols.
Its too later to place a bet, but,At lest I going to win:))))
http://www.dotblu.com/question/11.17.2008_australian_idol_final_2008_betters_you_decide_who_will_win
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 22 Nov 2008 11:59:PM
We will soon find out, it will be announced shortly.....

Think Wes will win
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 12:44:AM
yeah! and Wes won.lo
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 01:05:AM
Hey Mr Sniper,

did you really place a bet? How much did you win? Can I ask?

Of course Wes Carr was going to win and he did.
But Luke, the unknown all Aussie bloke did well too.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 01:09:AM
Hey,
Do you also realise that this forum has had another record breaking day with around 2,350 views in the last 24 hours.

Mr Sniper do you want to place a bet on how many views this goes up to by this time tommorrow night?
It is currently sitting on 88,256 views.
What's you guess for this time tomorrow night?
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 01:09:AM
My guess is for 90,350 views in the next 24 hours.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 01:12:AM
And by the way
The site

www.power4parent.org

holds a very good forum there.
Go and check it out.
Want a sticker? then PM one of us regulars and we will send it to you.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 01:31:AM
Boo. and Yaps. I made the bet and won $11,250, the 1,250 being the profit.
I guess I could create a poll bet on the amount of views in a 24 hrs period.
Or better still you can join and create your own, as I have, and also create bets on issues like this. that Url is open to the world.
While DOCS Claims and States I am molesting children,Im on that URL, I buried myself on that page, and If you peek at my Bio, you will see my ranking, That didnt happen over night. if im not there im on Eve-online, and or other online games.
Of late its been emailing and yelling into deaf eyes.
Hence the Views.

If you take note of my Pic of DocSniper, Thats what I am doing right now. Says it all, Dont it.:P:)

Altnews also seems to have picked up as well.

But, laugh Tomorrow is another day
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 01:34:AM
the whole gov needs toppling out on its a..
it is incredible that rudd goes to other countries to offer help while his own corrupted puppets are wreaking havoc on the public's lives..... talk about hypocrisy.....it is more sickening than anything ......
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 01:36:AM
Yes,

It's late and I'm off to bed.
Uggh, work tomorrow.
It's going to be a day from hell.
I can tell already. Payback for having a holiday.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 11:23:PM
Hello,

well my day was like a day from hell. It was for everyone there. I was lucky though that I got a 10 minute break around 1pm. In my job I am supposed to have a 10 minute morning and 10 minute afternoon paid tea break. Well I haven't been able to get one of those in the past 12 months. That equates to 1 hour per week and 40 hours per year (so that is one full week) and that is not to mention my lunch breaks. That is my biggest gripe about my job. It really shits me that I am flat out getting a break. So I end the day a bit crabby. Crabby and tired. Then it's onto my next job - being a single mother to a small child. So I then collect child from after school care, come home, cook tea, jump in pool, get out, child eats dinner whilst we read books, play cards or draw - something like that. Then it's teeth time, story books in bed with Mozart playing softly, prayers to Jesus, scratch child's back. 7.30pm. finally me time. Now I'm here but I should cook something en masse so I have proper food on tap. That's my usual day.
Child's father probably had time to lie around in the surf, twiddle his thumbs and have numerous cuppas.

I fantasize about quitting, living off the single mother's payments and going full on into being active about the docs situation.
But I can't at the moment.

Anyway that was my whinge into cyber space. I know if I whinged to docs they would take my child off me. The CSO (the nasty one) said to me I am concerned about you managing work and home life, that is why she said it was a 'concern to us' when child came home permanently and I took long service leave to help child settle in. "we wanted to see you manage work and home life".

well actually I have a second job too. I work agency work when child is with father. How else are we to get ahead? The father doesn't have to payt or play a part in the child's day to day management. I read the other day going over old paper work that the CSO said I shouldn't be so set on sending my child to a private high school. Wow I went to a GPS school and I want my child to have this opportunity. She said this as I have had my child enrolled into All Saints since child was 1yo. I will be mortgage free sooner than later.

Anyway doomed if you do with docs and doomed if you don't. They will twist anything to suit themselves. Please correct me if I am wrong!

Anyway back to the topic and away from the grumblings of a single mother dissatisfied with her lot in life.

So according to The Australian there are 4,000 black kids in care in NSW. They brought in the stolen generation (Mark 1) statistics to compare. We are now talking about Mark 2 stolen generation with docs.
No easy solution.
Gosh, the government must be worried.
Actually maybe they aren't worried as it is some years before the kids rally to do class action and so this government will be in retirement by then on a nice retirement package.
It's going to be interesting to watch what unfolds. My child can be old enough to get into some class action by then due to the abuse whilst in foster care.
So what's the statistics on Queensland black kids in care?? Anyone know??

It would be in the government's best interest to listen to the likes of D.Scott and C.Goddard and the other acadaemics about how to solve it. The Australian has already prepared us to boo hooo Justice Wood's report when it comes out any second now.
I see old terry Sweetman (Sunday Mail - 23.11.08 P.65) got on the band wagon about "Bring on Blackfella Act for white trash".
And just what is white trash? All us who are in minority groups?
But what I did notice was the little column about gambling on the side. $548 million each year is the revenue for government coffers from gambling.
Hey, isn't that the amount that is given to Q'ld child protection in their newest budget?
Ok so I couldn't work out whether that was a total of $548 for Australia or just qld.
But you, the viewers, probably know that fact as I am only a dumb nurse who only knows how to take away bed pans (uggh).
So if the government is going to get more punitive about vouchers instead of welfare $$ why don't they give us something else instead of all those pokies, like .....hmmmm I don't know.
Punish the little man for the grog problem so can't we then punish the government for giving such free access to gaming machines? Something like indirect negligence to the people if they know many have gambling addictions?

Oh yeah, remember the other day I was on my high horse about D.V? Well I just wanted to say it is these abusive men who always say 'she's mad'. Yeah, are we on the same page? Well just a bit more of my personal history - when the father was chasing me up for access to his child (even though he kept saying to me whilst I was pregnant "Are you sure this is my child?") he had to complete some form that went through the courts to pursue me. Anyway one question says 'is there any reason why one parent would have difficulty parenting/'. He writes 'yes mother has bi-polar' Well viewers I had never had any diagnosis in my past 38 years until he wrote that. So that is a classic example of these abusive men and what tricks they like to play to make them selves feel higher and mightier than you. He wrote other awful stuff too.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 23 Nov 2008 11:26:PM
And just for the last say by a man stating this classic male comment 'i don't know if I am the father or not' is another classic example of their abuse - I did not make this up, as it is written on the D.V. brochures.

See I am not mad, just twisted and sometimes bitter.

Ever heard (if you are my age or older)
'Comment by Barbara Bowers' ?
Well this is a case of comment by Nurse Ratched.

over and out.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 24 Nov 2008 11:31:PM
Hello,

did you know that we are receiving 2,000 views consistantly on this topic alone every 24 hours.

So viewers please break your silence and say something!
I feel obliged to entertain you all with more of my dribble so you can fulfill your voyeuristic desires to see what us bad parents get up to in real life.
I am getting a few private messages posted to me. Some don't like the way this forum is going and don't necessarily want to see change but just would rather slag off at some CSO/ government person who has wronged them.

2 things I would like to say tonight.

The public must understand that these docs workers have enormous power. so the corrupt ones can go hard at seeking revenge on people as they have very little power in their own lives.
Why do a lot of these workers look boyish? And by that I mean look like a stereotypical dyke. Maybe this sort of job appeals to a certain type of person. How come it is not full of gay boys in those offices?
Now to place a new grad out in the field to operate in their intake section is dangerous. Now I am trained in a mental health discipline. My training lasted 18 months in a psychiatric hospital setting. It was a requirement that I was already a R.N - as this course was a post grad thing.

more coming having a break....
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 25 Nov 2008 12:30:AM
Hi,

Firstly in support of Mr Sniper and that link he found - go and look this up.
http://www.new.com.au/adelaidenow/story
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 25 Nov 2008 12:41:AM
So anyway back to my story.

So after I finished my psych. training it meant that I had around 4 and half years training.

I know for a fact that I would not have had the confidence (professionally) to go out and make judgements on people's mental health status only 6 months after this training.
After my training I went and worked at Rosemount which was then the mental health units in part of the Royal Brisbane Hospital. It was appalling and very run down.

Now go forward 12 years later to my own docs story -

So here I had a newly out CSO (6 mnths from completion of her training to coming to my house) who decided that I was mentally unwell.
then she went to great lengths to lie and prove that I was mad. But unfortunately I have evidence from a group of professionals in mental health that knew me very well from the past 5 years or so before she ever met me for that brief 40 minute interview.

The CSO who interviewed me had little idea of what she was doing. If I was mad then then I am mad now.

Get my point?

And there is loads of these new CSO's running all over this state of Queensland calling the shots on families lives with devestating effects.

To ad to Jutice Wood's report they need to have trained professional in that chosen area (in my case mental health) who can properly assess the client then and there.

Hey docs would you like to employ me as a mental health/ drug & alcohol specialist? ha ha ha.

So I am the mandatoy reporter who had a notification put on my child.
That is my claim to fame.

Mind you in reality I would be extremely cautious before I ever put in a mandatory report on anyone.
And hope I am never in that awful position whereby I have to do this.

Last word: be careful of mandatory reporting. You don't see what the outcome is and it isn't always in the child's best interest.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 25 Nov 2008 12:50:AM
and the second thing I was going to say tonight? well I can't remember now. Besides it is late for me and I'm off to bed.

goodnight.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 26 Nov 2008 01:29:AM
Hi,

remember there is a call for all people who might have a case for CLASS ACTION against docs.

ring ANGELA

and gosh where has her number gone to? It's in my little nest of papers around me here somewhere.

Mr Sniper - what is her number again? Would you kindly put on here again for all to see.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 26 Nov 2008 01:32:AM
Hi,

I am late tonight. I have received the letter via Angela about the Class Action against docs.
and I have been busy with typing and formating that out. It's done and nearly in the post.

And did anyone see in the Justice Wood's report he recommends that docs give a lot of power over to the NGO's. I reckon this is to avoid a lot of the Mk11 lost generation thing that is for sure going to happen one of these days.
It is called hand over to NGO to pass the buck, pass the problems, pass the issue, pass the goddam worry.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 26 Nov 2008 01:40:AM
Hi,

Would you believe me if I told you I am sure I suffer from symtpoms of PTSD after docs involvement in our lives? I am aware of the symptoms. Once when I rang docs anonimously to ask a question once the shit was over and I was talking to some little girl (that's what she sounded like over the phone)and i told her about the PTSD stuff I was now suffering as a result from the bullying and trauma of what happened to child and myself. I asked if there was any way I could get counselling through docs now that it was over and we were shat on by this organisation. she got very defensive and nasty. I reckon if I gave out my name and address she and her collegues would have been here in a flash and taken child off me stating I have a mental health illness and not seeking treatment.

I know of a few others around this forum who suffer from this too.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 26 Nov 2008 01:40:AM
Angela's number is 0429160656

Everyone interested please phone her and advise her that you are interested in the class action!!!!!!
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 26 Nov 2008 01:42:AM
Originally Posted by thisisgood
Hi,

Would you believe me if I told you I am sure I suffer from symtpoms of PTSD after docs involvement in our lives? I am aware of the symptoms. Once when I rang docs anonimously to ask a question once the shit was over and I was talking to some little girl (that's what she sounded like over the phone)and i told her about the PTSD stuff I was now suffering as a result from the bullying and trauma of what happened to child and myself. I asked if there was any way I could get counselling through docs now that it was over and we were shat on by this organition. she got very defensive and nasty. I reckon if I gave out my name and address she and her collegues would have been here in a flash and taken child off me stating I have a mental health illness and not seeking treatment.

I know of a few others around this forum who suffer from this too.



I think our family is in the same group, yet we are still in the middle of it all, there is way more to go, yet.... can we survive it all!!!!
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 26 Nov 2008 01:50:AM
Well low and behold I received a letter from Kevin Rudd about the issues with the Department, and guess what they did, buck pass it down to Mike Rann (SA Premier).....Unbelievable, as we already have approached Mr Rann, and do u think he buck passed it, yes, he states its not his problem.

Quoted this is not a federal issue, this is a state issue....

Who in hells issue is it, when no one in the government sector wants to look at it, is it too hard for them to admit they frked up big time in passing the laws for the department.

Not only that, because I mentioned about getting legal assistance in the letter, they replied, not only rich people can get legal representation, try legal aid....

Well I have and even though I am not on a substantial income, I am bringing up 4 1/2 Children now on my own thanks to DOCS, I am over the thresh hold for legal aid, and also over the thresh hold for government assistant, and cant afford a lawyer.... Where is the logics in that!!!!!!
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 26 Nov 2008 01:59:AM
Children at imminent risk

JUSTICE JAMES WOOD has recommended substantial changes to rules governing the way child abuse and children at risk of harm are reported. Change is needed but his recommendations must be implemented with care or they will merely replace one problem with another.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 26 Nov 2008 02:01:AM
continued from the above......


Mandatory reporting of suspect cases will stay, as it should. But in the recent past, the Department of Community Services has been snowed by hundreds of thousands of non-urgent reports passed on routinely by front-line professionals such as police, teachers and doctors. Overwhelmed, it has at times been unable to identify and respond quickly to serious cases. Children have died as a result. Moreover, the workload has diverted resources so families at less risk of serious harm, but still needing help, were neglected. The key question for Justice Wood therefore was: how to filter the serious from the trivial.

The present arrangements place the onus for reporting on those in the front line, with penalties for remaining silent. They have reacted to that threat by over-reporting. As has been pointed out, sometimes children have been reported for infestations of head lice. Such things obviously do not constitute neglect.

Justice Wood's recommendations remove the filtering to new units in the bureaucracy; front-line professionals would report to DOCS only children at imminent risk of significant harm. Those two qualifiers give teachers, police, doctors and nurses necessary leeway to use the judgment they have been withholding. Other cases would go to filter units in each department; these would decide which should go to DOCS and which to new region-based aid services. Justice Wood suggests these be outsourced to non-government organisations. That is a way to increase the resources available for welfare tasks but it does not meet the most important need in his new structure - in the bureaucracy itself.

If this system is to work, the filtering units in the health, education and police departments, and others, must be given the money and the experts to do the job properly. Money obviously is tight. There will be pressure on departments to shift resources from elsewhere to this new function. That will probably mean it will be neglected. As for extra staff with expertise in this highly sensitive area, where they will be found is anyone's guess. DOCS already has trouble finding case officers.

Certainly, change must come; it is in the implementation, however, that it will live or die.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/...y-violence/2008/11/25/1227491540334.html
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 26 Nov 2008 02:14:AM
I told you they have invited that indoor sports of buck passing.

for 6 years thats what I got.
buck past and rejected and refused and form of understanding or any form of help.

I challenge anyone to come spend a day with me and watch how they just buck pass me and reject/refuse me.
Townsville city is against me. Dont matter where I go, or Phone as soon as they hear my name, Its game over. doors closes, fake smiles vanish and cold hearts blossom.
Nelson-Carr and peter lindsey are a good EG:
Law firms,legal aid and any help groups in this city will turn its back on me.
Life line even has refused to counsel me as to center care, mental health upon hearing my name,will hang up on me.
As soon as anybody is aware that It is me.
South Australia is no better. they removed me from a non abusive and stable home to the streets and then to a watch house to then live where ever i could and forced me to stay in SA, therefore i was paying 2 lots of rent and staving.
Even WJ: will tell you how much weight i lost.

Cos, of that, when I got home, My fish a dead, my Siamese cats are gone, one just found its way back. no gas. someone came and stole items.
and I am chocking on the memories of the empty dead house.
Picturing a family that I should of had. watching my sons grow.
These bastards robbed me of my life and now are robbing you WJ: all because you love me.
I am not worthy to have that love WJ: for you see my attitude, you feel the pains radiate from me, you have seen me in 2% cold,sweat like a pig.

I would stand a better chance in a concentration camp being a Jew.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 26 Nov 2008 02:21:AM
thanks for posting that info.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 26 Nov 2008 11:18:PM
Hi,

'thanks for posting that info' was regarding Angela and her phone number.

well the end of the year is nearly upon us viewers.
Have you received your first christmas cards yet? I got one in the mail yesterday from an old friend - talk about organised!
I will aim to get mine out this weekend.

Personally it was a long year for me.

I have decided to implement some changes into my 2009. It is bit of a gamble what I intend to do, considering the financial climate. i am debating whether to actually resign early next year and go in a completely different direction (study full time) with aim of changing the direction of my 'career'.
We'll see, it is in thought process at present. I will anguish over it,sleep on it and probably even toss a coin. The application for study is sitting beside me here for 1st semester 2009.

Re: child action group issues, Power4parents has canned their meeting tonight to register the name. various reasons. If you are really interested go over to the Power4parent.org and read what they say over there. I haven't been over there just yet. I always look on this forum first.

I am really tired tonight, so I won't hang around too long.
Being on these forums has really proven to me that I can exist on only 7 or 8 hours sleep per night. I used to always think I needed around 10 or more hours sleep per night. No wonder I had a lot of early morning waking at times! I certainly don't now on less sleep. No sooner do I hit the pillow but I am awake again around 6.30am and have to get up to face the next day.

No other news from me. Take care.

regards,

Nurse Ratched.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 26 Nov 2008 11:53:PM
Hey viewers, don't just read this same topic all the time (it keeps getting around 2,000 views per day) scroll down on this same forum and look at what Docs sniper and WJ writes. It is very good reading.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 27 Nov 2008 08:26:AM
Hi,

Another day and I am up early. I am dreading today due to work stuff.
Anyway I can start the count down. In another 10 hours I don't have to go back if I don't want to.
change is in the air for me in 2009.

You can't make yourself a martyr, it's not worth the grief. At the end of the day YOU come first before anything else, before your job, your kids, your partner, YOU. and if you are troubled and not travelling well then YOU ain't much good to anyone. So listen to your inner self and nurture yourself. YOU are not a door mat. YOU deserve better.

change is difficult. Sometimes we feel like a failure because we are not completely happy in our situation. but it is ok to give yourself a licence to change, turn around. I always think it is more of a crime if you don't try.

And with everything comes new challenges and new sets of rules. So how do you know when you are just being plain avoidant or if you need to take control and change your life? Good question, but don't make rash decisions, look at all options, wear it all for a few days, see how it sits with your gut feelings.

I am talking to myself in this post. But I am on the cusp of change. I am wondering if I should go head long into quitting my job and go into another area. I am weighing up the pros and cons. I feel very loyal to my clients, I like my current kind of job but I want a job where I can have a lunch break, not so busy all the time, not feel like my boss, who has long finished sucking my blood out of me, is now crunching my bones. But then I work with awesome people and the hours (except lack of lunch break) kink of fit my life style and the clients of course.
BUT I ask myself 'how long can you keep this up?'.
And if I change what problems am I going to encounter.
My biggest fear of change is worrying about finances. Bottom line. The mortgage. Security.
So I think the answer is to leave on a good note. Stop being the office stirrer so maybe I can crawl my way back there if my change plans don't work.
So it comes down to mortgage versus job.
The single mother's pension look appealing to me. I was making a joke in at work yesterday about becoming a prostitute. Someone said haven't you heard of paper bags. ha ha ha.
I ain't going to win lotto, so that is out.

Damn, why did docs have to screw us so that we are 20,000 behind in the mortgage.
This is just one part of the after math of their dealings in our lives.

Is it really beneficial to make this docs thing so legal orientated and punitive rather than assisting families and being client and family focussed/ goal orientated?
What did the lies and legal bulls.... achieve for anyone?
Maybe I miss something here, please help me to see the error of my ways.

Bottom line is don't ring docs for a whinge they will take you to the cleaners.

How dumb am I?
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 27 Nov 2008 11:49:PM
Good evening,

I have been thinking about what to write on here tonight.
I want to explore the issue of bullying. Many people on these (anti-docs) forums have expressed there concern that they have been bullied by CSO and other docs workers.

So what is bullying? You might have a better idea than me. You can do a google search and really read around this subject.
Bullying is coercion and manipulation. It is threatening towards the person on the receiving end. It can be verbal or physical.
It is often the abuse of power over someone who has a less social standing than you. Using one's power to stand over someone who is in the receipt of their care - if you were a nurse like me. Often bullies have little power in their own lives.

Then there is this concept called transference and counter transference. These are psych. terms. And it means stepping out of your professional role and can mean (in the case of counter transference - think accross the counter to the client) giving prefential treatment or less than your reasonable care to someone.
Transference to me is when a client seems to form some of attachment to me because I might remind them of someone in their past. The client can respond to me favourably because I remind them of their (for eg) kind old aunty or unfavourably to me (because I remind them subconsciously of someone they hated in their past).

So as a professional and when acting in a role when dealing with a broad range of people it is imperative to be insightful into one's behaviours to clients. So enter peer review, supervision and the practice of reflection on one's interventions with other human beings.

And as my psych. lecturer often said so it is now etched in my mind "and whose needs are we meeting?".

Then there is the awareness of modelling behaviours for junior and other staff. Inexperienced/ junior staff are impressionable. If the managers have poor insight into their own professional behaviours, negative counter transference, bullying tactics then the junior staff receive the message that this is the correct way in which to deal with issues and client.

Get where I am coming from?
I actually feel sorry for these inexperienced CSO types who throw their weight around.
They are setting themselves up for code of conduct issues.
They are making themselves liable through their unaccountability and poor standards of ethical practices.
It's not good enough to say 'oh this is the way I was taught".
It's not good enough to not question why you are instructed to do procedures that are contrary to what is written in the policy manual, legislation pertaining to your field of employment.

I have seen recently whereby students and new staff don't stand up for themselves. They are not assertive. This would be the same for other department whether it is nursing or child protection agencies.

It is not good enough for these supervisors and team leader types to be leading by POOR EXAMPLE.
It is not good enough for the government to allow this to happen anymore.

Stand up and be accountable, stand up for change.
Change can start from the bottom up to management.

There is no excuse anymore.

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 28 Nov 2008 12:02:AM
And viewers today I received a letter written by ( Mr David Smith, the Senior Policy Advisor) from MP Margaret Keech's office.

Apparently "the review will be finalised by the end of November 2008 and senior staff from the Mermaid Beach Child Safety Service Cnetre will contact you in order to arrange a meeting to discuss the outcomes of the review".

So viewers, what do you think?
I know what I think.

Oh, and by the way, after I did all my worry work my day wasn't so bad at all.
It is best to do your worry work and prepare for your worst so then anything that does happen doesn't seem so catostrophic. That's my theory anyway.
I always prepare myself for the worst. Some people say to me 'don't be so negative'. But it is my way of dealing with issues.

But just quietly nothing can prepare you for when docs try and destroy you and your child/ren.

On that note, I am wishing you another great weekend.
I have a list of chores written out for myself. Those Christmas cards are up there on the top.

kind regards,

Nurse Ratched.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 28 Nov 2008 04:23:PM
Christmas is for those that are happy and with family.

I am nowhere being happy and what Family.?.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 28 Nov 2008 05:44:PM
well it can be belonging to a group too.
I think I will be on my own this Christmas or even possibly working.
My child has a turn with his father.

Actually to tell you the truth I am happy just to sit on the beach, creek somewhere and fish!

I bought little pressies for my (now ex) work colleauges as they are like family. Busy day, shop till you drop sort of stuff.
I am now banning myself from any shop for the next few weeks. (only a woman would understand me)
And I am about to type out a Christmas letter to go with the cards. Lots of dribble that flys off my finger tips hahah lucky (not) those who receive this in the mail from me.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 28 Nov 2008 06:00:PM
ya, belonging to a group that means/meant something to me. My group = Family, No family, no group.

Let me share this so called happy, happy Xmas.

Last Xmas, as it is now, I did try, I rang the Salvos.
Told them how alone I am going to be.
They bent over backward to convince me they will help. told me they will come and pick me up on Xams day and to have a BBQ and a fun day down at the strand with others.
Xmas morning came, Xmas afternoon left and so be it a lonely night.
next morning at my door is a Xmas hamper from the salvos.
Frk all in it.

Yeah! join a group who dont give a rats arse.

Lest to one person I meant something, Till DOCS murdered that to.

This Xmas will be No different, Just me and the internet.
Oh! and me cat.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 28 Nov 2008 06:52:PM
Ok Mr Sniper you are sounding cranky.
Something must have happened today that has put you in such a mood - I am guessing you are in a foul mood.

I shouldn't enter into it. But I will and here I go. So you can abuse me if you wish but I have to say it.....

Today you are sounding very self centred Mr Sniper.

It is better to give than to receive.
So putting aside what docs have done to you.

I ask you this question - what can you do to give?

e.g. join the group who are serving up lunch to the homeless.
e.g. go and support something instead of just expecting someone to GIVE to you.

and how do you do it? Ring the local volunteers organisation.

You are definitely excel at computer skills (that is plain to see) so go and offer those skills, that is something you can give.

Forget for once you have a chip on both shoulders.

It is that simple and will give you a wonderful feeling.
This is the beginning of being connected to others, to complete strangers.

Now I know you will have a come back for this comment. I imagine it will fire you up.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 28 Nov 2008 10:16:PM
ya, its call setting in my man made prison:
and its not pity I want either.
and before you say, go out there.. Ha,! and wait for someone to say they going to kill me, or try to run me over. I got that status of dennis ferguson as far as some are concerned in this city.

I cannot mingle as a Normal human in this city, I am a well knowing person.
And as soon as strangers know of who i am, the shoulder treatment comes out.

I dont expert anything, other what is fair to have,,,I believe thats called freedom and justice.
and yes, I ring, then I stop ringing, cos, i know im wasting my time.

Forget??., I love to forget, but cant,hits me everyday, dont matter which way i turn.

So much of excelling in anything,dont get me nowhere.

lest here i get feed back, to tell me i am normal. normal pains, just a different Stab.

ya, your right, I always got a come back:)
if my sarcasm is a tad over board, So, be it.
this hate and angry is only generated by DOCS,
The partners never received any of that, they see it in me to.
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 28 Nov 2008 10:42:PM
teary teary

Dont let them win!!!!!

I should have added, what DS is saying is true, I have seen and witnessed quite a lot that has happened to him.

An example is a psychologist, Brian, that was so eager to help DS, got his hopes up high, only to let him down the next day with no explanation at all. This happens all the time, he is locked away in the home, never goes out, Its like a jail sentence, but this is worse sentence, than a murderer gets...


Where is the Justice.

Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 29 Nov 2008 03:11:AM
:mrgreen: ya, I rang him a few days later and told him his a waste of space and thx for wasting my time.

But yes, sadly. Thats what I get.
Only indicates to me how corruption works.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 29 Nov 2008 10:52:PM
Hi,

I am really tired tonight. I'll post something that I want to say tomorrow.
I thought about what I want to whilst mowing the lawn.

I did the Chrissy cards and mass produced a trashy letter to go with them. I got the Christmas shopping done, wrapped and put away. Cleaned the house, mowed the lawn, fixed the pool, and grocery shopped.
Ready for work tomorrow.
It is all done and I am now stuffed.

oh except the ironing, definitely dislike that one.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 01 Dec 2008 11:19:PM
Hi,

I see the view reached over 100,000 in total.

I have been quiet. am just so tired. I have started a new job and so I have a bit of learning to do, not to mention change of routine. It is for this reason that I am quiet.
I will come back with a loud voice soon.
Posted By: Sharon Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 02 Dec 2008 02:27:AM
I don't think hating all social workers is fair. The problem in the department comes from the higher ups who leave them understaffed and underpaid. The normal worker who joins is met with fear from kids and hate from adults. After all that one can understand why they are more detatched. Now I am in no way saying this excuses the horrible things done by many CSO's but hating them on the basis of where they work is simply discrimination. Of course there are bad CSo's. There are bad policemen, bad taxi drivers and bad doctors. But we cannot blame the entire profession on the acts of some of their members. I'm not saying this to argue or be agressive I just believe that hating someone for where they work is wrong. If anything many CSO's would be happy to work towards better leaders.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 02 Dec 2008 03:08:AM
540mil this yr alone and you say under fund, I was right, ya a retard.
whether a docs worker or a cop, prison screws, there is good and bad, its the bad that makes it all bad for the others.

your way blind and naive Sharon if you really believe them to be helping any families/Children or parent/s to many of us is Telling of all the wrongs they do..
X amount of Abused souls screaming out the Same Suffering, Cant be All wrong.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 05 Dec 2008 03:19:PM
so now we got to the 100,00 views i must ask this question - do we keep posting onto this actual topic or go to others under the department of child safety in this aus city forum?

All those viewers and most of them just silent and not posting any comments. Shame that. I would have liked to have heard where you all come from.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 05 Dec 2008 05:27:PM
ya, like wise.
its like my yahoo blog, over 20,000 views and not 1 comment.

It must be like a bed times story for them....
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 07 Dec 2008 06:39:PM
a/ journalist who has experienced this depts horrendous treatment....as a child ....has been given all these web pages.....things are heating up
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 07 Dec 2008 07:52:PM
not quick enough, sadly
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 07 Dec 2008 11:34:PM
some of us are in this to the end. Weird way to be connected isn't it?

And Mr Sniper if it makes you realise you aren't alone - I just wish to inform you that my sister is organising family Xmas at her house this year and I am not invited.
(This is docs fall out stuff.) I really don't want much to do with my sister ever again, and I was never like this before I used to go to the ends of the earth for her.

I will either be serving up Christmas dinner to the homeless somewhere or sitting on the beach. It is child's turn to be with his father. Mind you, I welcome the chance to be alone in my life (no work, no family, no committments.)
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 07 Dec 2008 11:41:PM
And I am not bitter about what I just wrote above. True. I think one just has to put in into context in one's life. Accept it and move on. Be like the elephant and don't forget. I can forgive but it doesn't indicate I will put myself out there like a door mat to be walked over again.

Now are you all aware there is a new site?

if you google

you will see the new site. It popped up past weekend.
I think you know this already.

Posted By: rainbowchaser Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 07 Dec 2008 11:47:PM
I am totally dreading Christmas... Put my tree up today but only did it for my little girls. Personally I'd much rather leave it in it's box in the shed.

But sometimes we have to put our own feelings aside and think of the children's feelings. I'd much rather go to sleep and wake up on New Year's Eve with a drink in my hand.

This will be my third Christmas without my girls. One might think I'd be used to it, but I'm not.

I absolutely hate it... Not to mention that my 8 year old turns 9 this month and I won't see her on her Birthday either.

Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Dec 2008 12:08:AM
We have put up our Christmas tree, but for what, the family isnt there anymore in spirit.... and frankly in person....

The lights arent even on as im writing this, just a mess in the lounge room.

No discussion as to what is happening on Christmas day, frankly i would like to spend it in a hole....

THE SPIRIT HAS BEEN KILLED...THANKS TO DOCS....

Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Dec 2008 12:15:AM
And to top it all off can u imagine what those Frkers are doing this Christmas, spending it with their loved ones....

Eating plenty, drinking plenty, and oh yes!!!! they have their family with them.

Should send them a special fire work crackers....Blow it up their ass!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Dec 2008 12:43:AM
yes, these scumming retards,power hungry Pricks will have a happy stinking Xmas, while You and I suffer and forced to be alone.

cracker to good for them
what ya need is a mini chain gun, then shove it up there and pull the trigger till bullets run out.

while your eating a Xmas cake.


And lets not forget the pricks that gave DOCS these powers.. your local government. Point a finger to Annie frking Bligh.
I hope a 1000 fleas of a camel infest your armpits, Bligh
Posted By: WantsJustice Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Dec 2008 12:46:AM
LMAO.....good one DS, wouldnt it be great if Santa Did that!!!!! Hehehehehe

laugh
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Dec 2008 09:02:PM
wow,
1,000 camel fleas infesting your armpit. that is good. Where did you hear this from?
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 08 Dec 2008 09:21:PM
jump about 30 odd years ago, I came up with that.
Same for. Its mind over matter.
I dont mind and you dont matter(docs) dance
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 11 Dec 2008 11:51:PM
wow, I have just been looking at some stuff that talks about the issue of domestic violence. The source recognises that DOCS (child protection services) can further victimise the mother over this. It is quite amazing, it echos what I have been saying about some of these nasty CSO types taking over from where the male leaves off.

I said some time ago that I was looking into D.V. more closely and I realise that there is a strong link between women feeling depressed and having anxiety and PTSD following these abusive relationships.

It is interesting how docs can get very focussed on the issue of the woman suffering from depression (or whatever mental health diagnosis) and avoid the whole issue of the domestic violence and woman getting counselling that would then in turn make the woman realise that those feelings are quite normal.

docs operate on the woman feeling like a 'freak', further isolation from family and friends, siding with the abusive male and removing the child from her care (stating she is not the protective parent) and placing the child with the father.

The stuff I am looking at talks about these offending men as not being suitable parents as they work on undermining the woman's capability to parent effectively and through this method of the way they function these men are not suitable parents.

An acaedemic in this area of interest of The protective needs of children affected by D.V. - Professor Cathy Humphreys goes on to mention that work should be done to strengthen the relationship between the woman and the child/ren, as this relationship is often attacked by the offending male.

Oh, and this woman was stating that it is NOT GOOD ENOUGH anymore to say we are operating in the interests of protecting children.

wow.

Well hello, I have just found literature that backs up my thoughts about the way in which docs operate.
It would seem I am not mad, nor alone in my train of thought on these issues.

What do you girls think of this stuff??

Justice4all I would like to hear from you.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 11 Dec 2008 11:56:PM
and in my usual way - last say.

It is alarming how docs don't work on empowering women but will discriminate and torture through their legal processes (did I mention lies and false allegations here?).

If this stuff I am reading is results of research and if there is lots of mandatory reporting as a result of notifications arising from D.V incidents whereby Police are called out THEN why doesn't the law protect women?
Where is the evidence of best practice? Where are the laws changed to reflect this?

Why do docs still operate in a draconian way?

docs destroy society through their current accepted practices!!
Posted By: LovingMyKids Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 12 Dec 2008 11:25:AM
Wow thisisgood, my sentiments exactly regarding DChs and DV...I felt I was still in a DV relationship except that the partner was now DChs and I'd separated from my partner before that and amicably mind you.

In our case I do believe that Dchs were trying to get a mind set on us that we had DV issues when we didn't. We used to years ago and we worked very hard on dealing with that without support or help from the dept or society in general succeeding in this and the Dept I think were trying to cover this with current claims of DV which of course they couldn't prove, not even with police reports, the Qld police wouldn't even enter into it for the Dept...I don't blame them either...the Dept made a mockery out of DV issues for their case which I found disgusting!

The best thing for any woman having either left DV or considering it is to get counseling for yourself, build your self-esteem and don't let anyone trample on your views, wishes, values and beliefs. Be kind to yourself and know that your feelings are normal for the situation you have either left behind or are still in.

In regards to children, they will react when you separate or if you don't so be gentle with them and just love them, hug them, kiss them, that's all children really want in turbulent times is to know they are still loved.

Living with DV is a nervous issue for children and will take time as it does for the victim to get over this which needs alot of support from those they are involved with and if they are involved with DChs you would think they also would be supportive and gentle with these parents in this dilemma...but from personal experience and with false claims of extenuating DV issues made against me and not the ex-partner or previous ex-partner to older child, I can declare the Dchs don't support parents but antagonise the situation more to get a case won.

Where did you get this info from Thisisgood...can I get in a book from the library or online...I've noted her name but a title would be great...

Thanks for this!

Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 15 Dec 2008 11:07:PM
Hi,

Wowwa I just saw those pictures on that other site 'I hate government'. google - i hategovdept. com and that should get you just about there.
It is the second topic down and it is a picture of a police man man handling a little girl.

It is alarming.

Hello wake up public and start to realise what is going on!!!!

The media needs to get hold of this photo and print it - it would be of good shock value to their customers, I am sure.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 15 Dec 2008 11:11:PM
Yes,

for the viewers there are some awesome posts on the altnews site at present.
NWO - I think it stands for new world order - is posting some good stuff, I like his mind and way of questioning and dissecting information.

The other site that has popped up that is well worth the find is "i hategovdept. com" google that without the spaces and it should lead you to it. It is exploding.

And of course remember our friends at power4parents.com.

Happy reading!!!
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 15 Dec 2008 11:21:PM
I agree...the more that come on board the more pressure will mount on this neglectful gov.....and remember be caredul what you say ...particularly if you are in the middle of the nightmare with these nazi bigots
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 20 Dec 2008 01:51:PM
Hello,

I notice that the view count just keeps going up. I stopped recording the view count when it reached 100,000.
So say hello, please!

I hope you are all ok.
There is heaps of stuff I could post on here but have been too lazy of late!!

It's the end of the year and I am tired. Also deciding my best options for next year so to avoid being as busy as 2008.

I am still waiting for the department to invite me in to discuss their results of their independent investigation of my case back in 2006. Knowing this department they will probably turn the tables and take another notification out on me!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 21 Dec 2008 02:00:PM
Down on the next topic
"The Department of Child Safety Dating Service"
is where docssniper sarcastically puts it about how docs/ the government are controlling him. wants my kids back then alarmingly writes out her experiences.
It cannot be helped but to liken the modern day child protection services to those of the german nazi's.
It's in the next topic down for all you vouyeristic viewers.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 21 Dec 2008 05:38:PM
I am glad I am not the only one that has seen it that way.
If we were look at the back grounds of our leaders to see where the family tree starts, I am willing to bet, there be Nazi blood in their vains.

As my Bloodline is to fight against this evil.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 22 Dec 2008 02:34:PM
My thought for today is...
From a female's (mother/ nurse) perspective.
I am alarmed at how the Department of Child Safety, Queensland does NOT do a thorough D.V. screen when interviewing women.
Their main focus is what the concern is that brought their attentive spotlight to this parent.
Apparently they only ask loosely around issues.

I just rang an intake officer of my local department and had a chat with them. I said I was looking at information from a nurse perspective with regard to mandatory reporting. This is true.

So after that nice conversation with that nice young woman I can now clearly see the link whereby docs can take over from the perpetrator and side with them (offending male) against the women.

and it is not just good enough to say - Q. Has there been any domestic violence in your relationship with the father?

There needs to be question that go on from that and around it like - Q. Are you afraid of this man for any reason? And issues around control and emotional put downs need to be explored.

The lovely intake officer said she sees a lot of situations whereby men are controlling the woman by holding back money, keeping medicare cards away from her, distancing her from her family, along with the usual verbal put down that attack not only her self esteem but her mothering abilities and confidence.
This isn't always about the physical damage, we are talking psychological.

Bing the light has been switched on here for me. This is another area that I will fight for change in and it won't just be in regards to docs interviewing techniques but also within the mental health services.

I'll tell you a secret. For years us nurses have had very little experience with dealing with D.V. we are not educated to ask questions and make links between women and their mental health issues and D.V.
We do not screen for D.V. on the mental health assessment forms (unless it is staring you in the face by way of broken bones and black eyes). And I have worked in all areas for many years in psych. assessments, acute, long stay and community.

It is a huge area that is slipped under the mat. (why because it is to do with women? A taboo area - they get what they deserve mentality?)

It is time for inservice, education, awareness and proper screening.
I am changing my practice after this.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 22 Dec 2008 02:53:PM
...And for the last comment by Nurse Ratched here
I would like to challenge docs by saying I notice your last research Hoizon's paper was on the issue of 'Cumulative Harm'.

Then I also notice for the recent child protection conference that was held recently in Brisbane in November you had a good roll out on people like Professor Cathy Humphrey and her ilk (? Chris Goddard) and all those acaedemics who challenge the current practices and methods that docs work under.

So I'd like to see docs go back to scratch and start to look at their INTERVIEW and REPORTING techniques.
And this would involved more education for the CSO's at the coal face. More inservice from other care providers/ NGO's.
And it would entail noticing and accommodating what these acaedemic are debating about. they are not stupid you know, so please listen and apply to your practices please (For the children's sake at least).
And as my friend Ms Jann Stuckey questions why have such inexperienced staff right there doing this vital work (There's a CSO right out of uni and coming right into your home to interview you soon!)
And then let's work together for the best interest of the child. (did someone mention child - oops, comments slipping out my mouth!)
And then docs won't have to hide behind their glossy comment about being in partnership with other stake holders in this line of work.

Sort of like get it right the first time (and then you won't have to lie and confabulate and make sweeping generalisations in court- oops did that come out of my mouth too?)

So why aren't Horizons talking/ debating about how to implement these changes into current practices of front line docs workers. that is my question and challenge to that department.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 22 Dec 2008 03:10:PM
In body language its not the one gesture that governs the whole action to a question, its the sequence of that body movement.
Let take Howard the coward as a EG: when he gave a speech of dribble.
he always plays with his nose, and ear. two signs on its own, that he is lieing. but, if taking on that face values, then most people lie, its can also mean he had a running nose, with a ear infection.
In body language, you just dont look for the one action to tell you everything you need to know, you look and study the multiple of actions when questioned in random.
This is where Human behaviour kicks in and has the same functions as body language.
Take WJ: youngest daughter in a month just from her body language and human behaviour she told me she had Issues. as we bonded, the words came out to back up to what I saw. she also wanted a father figure, and she choice me. WJ: agrees to what I say about her daughter.

So, if DOCS thinks they are educated,why then dont the learn how to use body language and human behaviour ?.

Now add in a polygraph test and that three ways to seek the truth. and not use mind games to abuse. the word in DOCS is Child safety. yet anyone knows that DOCS has nothing to do with child safety, for even that said child is nowhere being safe when in the care of DOCS, nor is any parent.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Mon 22 Dec 2008 03:14:PM
TIG: lo, how can you challenge retards when they dont even have a full bag of marbles?.
again people have to focus on the QLD PM, its just not DOCS,ya, DOCS are in the front line to protect their master, the QLD PM.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 23 Dec 2008 01:17:AM
yes, I agree we need to keep the Queensland PM in our focus. Queensland State election time is coming. This is a time to bring out issues and embarass governments.

On paper docs look glossy. As a health worker it all looks up front to me. And one must observe this organisation is gathering more momentum in it's domination of power. It is bigger than family law. bigger than the mental health act 2000 (which now has incorporated policy on child safety issues).
Am I wrong but is it (child protection act 1999) is the most powerful legislation around?
It is king.

So no wonder the corrupt workers can hide behind 'we are only concerned about the child...'.

Which brings me to different thoughts - recruitment and selection. Doesn't the government have a duty of care towards it community which should then be reflected in it's policies in recruiting staff.
I'll go on about this another time. Good night.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 23 Dec 2008 01:21:AM
oh, let me clarify 'looks up front to me'. whilst I think the docs glossy brochures (could possibly start to give Centrelink a run for their money on this!) look somewhat benign I still remain pro prevention rather than their current system of operating.
Had to get that clear with you viewers.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 23 Dec 2008 01:42:AM
of cos, its the QLD pm and all the retards sitting around the retard round table. and it just wasnt the 1999 act, theres also the 2004 update to it. done by the then Howard government, even Beattie turned a blind eye and is also accountable, This goes right back to the beginning of DOCS formation.
Like the GST we never needed,but Got.
Every Polly that knows and had their finger in it, are as guilty.
Maybe we should be sanctioning Obama to Open up a World investigation (like the Jews did) into the Australian people protesting of the human abuse to families.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 23 Dec 2008 09:04:PM
Christmas Eve 24.12.2008

ok guys I wish to tell you that we had a small but victorious win today.
How's that you ask?
The regular readers know that as a Registered Nurse(Mental Health endorsed)by law I am a mandatory reporter as per Public Health Act 2005 -section 191 and 192.
But as I have been up close and personal with docs recently I am very wary of them. I sniff out my allies within my peers and argue on behalf of the client if the question is ever raised 'do we need to contact child safety?'.
And just that happened today.
An unsuspecting, zealous clinician might have brought a client case to docs' attention (and I've previously seen it happen through reading the client file) when this was asked but I openenly debated about the prevention being better than cure arguement (incidentally the docs style of cure is snatch and grab). We discussed what services are around, discussed appropriate referrals and I documented very closely and clearly. It's all above board and that is why I will publically state this.
But I am worried about the ignorant health professionals who notify without being aware of the outcome from docs involvement in children and their families lives(my not so secret endeavour to educate these ignorant nurses/ health professionals!).
And as I drove home just now I thought about how I can honestly say that something good has come out of my involvement and awareness of docs. My motives are alturistic in nature.
I remember what my psych educator said (The now deceased Mr Denny Cowell) "remember whose needs we are meeting".
I wish the department would realise this as we know they aren't meeting the child's needs.

Here's wishing you a Merry Christmas. Hope you all have a safe and good break.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 23 Dec 2008 09:09:PM
yeah! well, thx to those penis smokers, what they have frkd up can never be mended.
from children, to parents to relationships.
They just FRKd it all up. wheres the merry in that?
Posted By: JusticeForAll Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 24 Dec 2008 01:29:AM
There's no 2004 update to the CP ACT.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 24 Dec 2008 02:03:AM
try again. it was to to with sex with 14-15-16 yrs old. instead of being Unlawful carnal knowledge, it was placed under Paedophilia
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 25 Dec 2008 10:32:AM
Boxing Day

The count is up to 120,000.
Just thought I'd drop by and have a look on here.
Gotta get off to those shops for the bargains!
Posted By: NWO Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 25 Dec 2008 06:48:PM
Hi I’m not sure about this place as I've seen that old thing they write, your posts belong to them crap. I'd like to say I disagree, not on a law term as they do own this post too as long as I don’t copyright my stories first somewhere else.

Eat me laugh

I don’t believe in anarchy but I do believe in destabilising the typical hierarchy that pushes the average person to endure pedantic laws.

I am going to put some challenging evidence before this rather large forum, I would like to know if folks are not going to get all misty eyed

I have looked around a little and see that the ideal of “freedom of speech” is healthy and abundant within these forums.

I understand about senseless abuse but some people tend to get up my nose with stupidity and I can be known to call it how it is. If some individual is an idiot, in the dictionary sense, I will name such an individual in a correct manner. An idiot..

DoCS are idiots.

Just testing. laugh
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Thu 25 Dec 2008 11:57:PM
ya forgot Retarded frk'd up, mental dogs.
and thats in my dictionary.
hate,is nothing to how I am feeling for what the Dogs have done.
Each time I lose and or get dumped, this Emptiness,just rips my guts. tears falls,as all the memories of what I had and what I have become,from DOCS abuse,followed by the abuse from the woman that says Loves.I become a frking UNLESS man.
Begging for my Innocents fell on cold dead hearts.
Begging for the woman I had and the love that was there,also falls on a cold dead heart.
Who is going to mend that,DOCS??. like frking hell. after they invade, there is never ever any mending.

I voice out this pain and DOCS attacks more.
I voice out,about my relationship and how that was crumbling, till it all fell apart.
she to, now will hate me more for doing this.
I try to rescue it,I begged and grovelled. I did nothing to Warrant DOCS killing my life, and I did nothing to Warrant the Partner to dump me in such a manner.
It held no logics.
Unless there is someone else in the picture.
She writes odes to love,but were they meant for me?.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 26 Dec 2008 10:59:PM
Hi,
What's going on - the count is up to 122,000 today. Where are all the viewers coming from?

Now a confession from me. I have just eatten most of my child's choccies in the fridge. Does that rate as some form of abuse? Child will not be happy when he wakes up!
docs could call it psychological abuse. And then even say I have addiction problems - a compulsive chocoholic.
One might ask why are you taking the mickey out this department. the child abuse problem is huge in Queensland; just look the increasing budget that is allocated to child abuse. Well I take the mickey after I see both personally and professionally how this department operate.
And to me it seems a case of don't work on the holes and problems in the current systems, (hey we know the CSO's lie and do their scandalous and opressive report writing and all the other stuff you whingers on these chat forums go on about) no just dump more money into this vortex.
Forget about prevention being better than cure crap when we have the tax payers money to throw at it. It looks like the government is really concerned with this area. It is a quick fix, look good to the voter type appeal. Seriously if the government thought there was a major problem then we would scale it right back to better screening, education, more effective parenting skills, more organisations involved in parent/ child interaction stuff, better education and training for the CSO's and so it goes on.
see ya!
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Fri 26 Dec 2008 11:17:PM
guess people like to read then get involved.
maybe my bitching everywhere, gave them something to read.

Any form of care a parent gives to their child is a abuse to DOCS eyes
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 27 Dec 2008 11:33:PM
oh boy, this compulsive chocoholic has been eating everything in sight. I hate these holidays for this reason. I have morphed into one fat pig.
I am going on a diet as of tomorrow. I am intending to loose 5 kgs by March 1 2009! What's your new year resolution?
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sun 28 Dec 2008 12:17:AM
lo, wanna lose weight, spend a week with me. kidding.:)
I have to start to learn to eat better and gain weight.

My new yr thingy.
Hope,deb,comes back. if not, try for another attempt at love. and of cos, I hope this class action soon.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 30 Dec 2008 12:38:AM
There are really good postings over at the "i hate gov dept. com" (but run the words all into one) site.
I am on a diet. I even put on 2 kilos in 3 days of socialising. I love cheeses, cabana, dips, nuts, mini toasts, cheesecakes, chocolates - yum. I think I was related to Homer Simpson in my last life.
No more chocolate, no more toast, no more peanut butter and honey together, no more dips and nibblies, no more beer, no more chocolate milks. Bring on fibre in form of fruit and vegies and protein.
This obesity thing is just a reflection of our consumer society. It's disgusting.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Tue 30 Dec 2008 01:59:AM
yeah, i got in a better routine of eating,same for sleeping. that 2-3 kilos will take me like 2-3 months,but a blink of a eye to lose it.
I got a joke on myself for that....but its has to be seen to get it.
I get my car on the this week, weeeeee, freedom, and hope nothing happens that shouldnt.still have to look over my shoulders.
Got a invite to goto Cairns, this week end....Sounds a idea, as if i decide to move, and re start. its a tad closer to move.and a transfer would be easy. there was a plan of a transfer to surfaces Area. As WJ: liked the gold coast area when went there for a holiday. getting a transfer for that would be just as easy.might even get a better house.lol. so many plans and ideas now in limbo.
But Cairns,,mmmmm, The inviter has other reasons,that I dont want to get involved with and thats killing the notion of going.

and hey, I can eat all the junk food going and nothing. I joke about my size. I am the perfect female body,if only I had the Big Boobs:P....lol.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 21 Jan 2009 11:16:PM
Hello,

I have a phone call coming from the independent people looking into my official complaints about docs. They are called 'Ashdale Integrity' solutions. They rang and booked a telephone time with me for next week.

Also I have a letter from Margaret Keech's offices stating " I have been advised that once the reivew has been finalised, senior staff from the Mermaid Beach Child Safety Centre will contact you in order to arrange a meeting to discuss the outcomes of the review." I recieved this letter last week. (I did receive this sort of letter some months back and it went quiet for awhile).

I expect nothing to come of this of course but somehow these mobs will cover their arses (C.A.R.E. factor stuff - i.e. cover arse remain employed)

I will continue to write my book though as this is the tell all stuff.

Just thought I would share this with anyone who cares to read this update from me.

good night.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 28 Jan 2009 12:08:AM
Hello,

Well I had the interview phone call from this independent organisation reviewing my case. I spoke for 129 minutes!!! But I am sure you can imagine that I can find it difficult to shut up sometimes - no one would ever say I am quiet.

So it all goes on. I seriously doubt anything will ever come from it. I will forge ahead with writing the book, as I see the best way to counter what has gone on is to get creative and write about it.

Good night.............
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Wed 28 Jan 2009 12:12:AM
Oh these people wanted to focus on 3 keys areas of my complaint.

1. false allegations made by the CSO and her supervisor.

2. disclosure of my address details etc to the abusive male (my child's father)and breach of my confidentiality.

3. abuse that my child received whilst in care and how it was covered up.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 07 Feb 2009 12:53:AM
If you read this you need to go over to Altnews and read about the little Luke who died in foster care recently. it is both sad and alarming.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department forum - Sat 07 Feb 2009 11:44:AM
Wake up Australia. Wake up World. Just bloody wake up.
Posted By: MsTikky Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 14 Feb 2009 06:40:PM
[font:Verdana][/font]It is high time DOCS was properly investigated. Given that there are genuine needs for child protection, come on we all know the difference. I am not talking about the kids who are flogged, tortured or abused , they do need looking out for. DOCS Queensland needs to be cleaned out as soon as possible and I for one hope to have a front row seat. Who keeps this mob inline? The cops have one. I fail to see how this one department gets away with so much and despite all the protests, nothing gets done. They watch each others backs and are basically sleeping with each other. Margaret Keech I ask you, when are you going to investigate my complaint along with that of many others. Anna Bligh, when are you going to take notice of the complaints you have gotten. Neither of you can say you have not received any as I have retained proof from you both that you will consider my issues. Hello that was last year, I am still waiting.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 21 Feb 2009 12:26:AM
Oh dear, some of you know I am onto D.V. issues (and other social issues) and how the department operates/ responds to it all. Well the other day I am sitting in the lunch room and a colleague was very distressed. Apparently her partner is depressed and drinks (typical male) to cope and of course he becomes verbally abusive (I could write the script for these stories). Apparently she hung in that relationship for some time (typical female thinking situation will change) so eventually she cannot take it any longer. Takes out a DVO, then gets the police to act on it and remove the male. The story then
goes on as the police now always do the mandatory reporting thing to docs and as this is a D.V. case; PRESTO the child is now taken directly into foster care as docs state that female is not acting in a protective manner even though she says she always took the child away if the male was getting abusive and now has taken steps to get a DVO out on this male.
Yep, docs chalk up another kids for statistics (more funding please).
So right now as you read this, this poor kid is in FOSTER care and not placed within family and I think the female has no contact with child.
AND then this female rings around a whole bunch of solicitors who say something to the effects of 'forget it docs have made their decision, it's not worth it, unless you want to pay out $5000 up front'. (See the solicitors know how fruitless it is to get legal representation against this docs machine.)
Female says that docs have made a stressful situation now more stressful for the child. It was bandied around the lunch table that is 'not in the best interests of the child'.
THEN the icing on the cake was when the psychologist person disclosed that docs took his children into foster care last year. He said they were twisting facts and information that he was not willing and not able to look after the children. He said it is all process and not in the children's interests.
FAR OUT I thought I was the only mental health professional (mandatory reporter) that had children removed but now it looks like this cancer in society has absolutely no boundaries. So docs are attacking staff in other organisations that it is supposed to be working with. No wonder WE ALL are highly suspicious of docs. Just ask welfare workers what they think of docs and we all tell the same story.
Anyway SOON docs workers will be taking children off their own colleagues. I don't think this is too far fetched.
docs are operating just as the states government allows them in No transparency, no accountability, no professionalism, and well,who cares really as docs are untouchable.
Is this what the government is aiming to achieve with their child protection act 1999?
And I once said to stop the discrimination - why don't docs take every child at birth and then make all the parents fight and spend their hard earned savings (remortgage your house like I had to) fighting the docs machine in court.
Why don't the government put every child into foster care, including their own.
We could start with your grandchildren, nieces and nephews Margaret Keech.
Because due to docs false allegations and their style of one sided investigations it shouldn't be too hard to make sure that every child born into the state of Queensland is deemed a child at risk.

What - you think I am nuts? Ha, I am a well respected and well trained mental health professional in this state.
Posted By: jimjam6702 Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 22 Feb 2009 06:11:PM
Holy CRAAAAAAAAP,

I would have liked to have left an inspirational comment for all of you betrayed parents, to give you hope and encourage the fight against the injustice inflicted upon you. But sadly after getting through that post, quite frankly I think I have to vomit!!!

I'll have to return when I have something more positive to say...until then bless all of you in your fight for your children, I hope you all find resolution. And I hope that DOCS finds a CONSCIENCE!!!

I will keep you & your children in my thoughts and prayers.
Posted By: jimjam6702 Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 23 Feb 2009 09:50:AM
OK new day, new dawn, back w/something more positive...

Keep informing people of this & resolution will come! As I believe that each experience put on this site benefits others more than one could possibly imagine.

The mere fact that you care enough to inform & warn others, is infact the positive energy needed to get the ball rolling on changing the outcome of such a travesty!

After reading the above post last night,I felt Physically sick that a government could be so ominous in the lives of a family & cause so much greif under the guise of "help"! I am still sick w/anger,fear & greif that this is possible & is being allowed.

But through that same negativeness, comes a feeling of impowerment, knowing that change is possible when prompted by mass consciousness! And you are making the masses conscious! YOU are taking the first step towards CHANGE!

I've read a few of your posts, & am affected by your information - & I don't even live in your country. So I know when the right people read those same articals,that they will be motivated to join the fight, & from that - help will come!

I wish the best of luck to all of you,keep informing,keep sharing, & keep fighting - because in my book you are all PIONEERS starting a REVOLUTION!!!

Bless you all, and peace to you in your fight for your children.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 23 Feb 2009 12:33:PM
Informing has been done, What is needed is Action. Words have been spoken and gets no where. again Action. If I had the money, I can promise you, That Action would of been done ages ago and most of us wouldnt be here, Begging for help.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 07 Mar 2009 10:05:AM
if you are wondering where the independent investigation is up to - well they wanted copies of the tapes where I am talking to the department.
I made up these copies as requested and sent them off. It was horrible listening to these tapes again. Where the CSO was saying my child had to stay in foster care and not go to any of my family in Queensland as they were trying to pass the father in NSW to be a carer. The tape exposes where the CSO was telling me I had to stay on medication long term and see a psychiatrist and that 'thoughts are enough for them' and I 'am progressing' and 'not normal'.
It is really sick that the CSO could dictate these stuff yet had no medical backing.
Of course I was not taking any medication and the tapes expose just how normal sounding I was. Of course I don't see a psychiatrist anymore since docs left our lives.
So If i was progressing then with 'thoughts' and since docs are NOT mind readers and considering I am not on medication and don't have follow up with a psychiatrist then does anyone wish to put a notification on me? Because nothing has changed so therefore my son must still be at risk of me. Surely if docs kept my son away from me for close to 7 months then it must have been a big deal.
Does my argument make sense?

Anyway my brain has been clouded since - it invades my dreams and I had chest pain after I completed all the tapes and posted them off.

Not a day goes past without me thinking about docs and how they played at their game.

Oh, and I have the team leader from docs admitting we are on opposing sides when I have her taped asking her 'so what can I do to get my son back'. So is that proof of sorts that it isn't about child safety but rather a legal game.
Because they don't wish to properly present all the story to the courts just their perverted version. You can hear me on tape saying 'but i have never harmed my child' - 'yes, but thoughts are enough for us...'
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 07 Mar 2009 10:06:AM
If you are wondering where my book is up to.
Well I get writer block (if that is what it is called) and find I feel sick in the stomach to write about it so I give the writing a miss for a week or two and then come back to it with a vengence.
It'll get there, I owe it to my son, myself and the people of Queensland.
Posted By: DocSniper Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 09 Mar 2009 07:48:PM
A block, Huh!
Heres something to open ya mind and start really using that right side of your brain and your thinking.

http://www.google.com/search?q=heiner+affair
Posted By: Mister22 Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 27 Mar 2009 02:08:PM
Hi, new to the board.


Posted By: Alisa Re: The most hated Government Department - Fri 27 Mar 2009 10:28:PM
bwave Welcome Mister22
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Sat 28 Mar 2009 05:18:PM
Hello to anyone who still reads this site.
I wish to give you an update on the book I am writing (about my encounter with docs). Well after I had to copy those tapes of my conversations with DOCS (as per request from the independent enquiry) I felt sick to the pit of my stomach and couldn't face writing anymore of the book. I went off and played scrabble on line and did other things to avoid the book. So now some three weeks later I felt ready to get into it again. I am writing again.
I wrote close to 10,000 words this past weekend!! True. With my son having an access visit with his father - that freed me up quite a bit. I will now soldier on with this process. If anyone else has a story to tell then start writing your docs story too. Currently there are no books on the market that expose what this government department is doing. I urge more people to do this. Docs seem untouchable - you can't sue them even if you have grounds for it but you can certainly get creative and write about your experiences.
Often i have doubts about my ability to write a book but there are plenty of people out there who will proof read, help you structure it more correctly. You just need to start somewhere, keep chipping away at it and eventually it will come to fruition.
Posted By: Alisa Re: The most hated Government Department - Sun 29 Mar 2009 12:35:AM
Good job on sticking with the book!

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You just need to start somewhere, keep chipping away at it and eventually it will come to fruition.
bravo
Posted By: DoCS_R_Dogs Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 30 Mar 2009 03:14:AM
Cant wait to read this book
have you got a deal yet?
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 30 Mar 2009 11:08:PM
To answer the above question - No I will have to self publish. I have noted that black.inc might be ok though.But seriously if I spent $20,000 in legal fees getting my son back then I will match that to expose docs. I work like a dog these days to pay off my mortgage as fast as I can so I can utilise money to pour into this cause of exposing docs. There's been a few other projects along the way too.

Now are you all going over to altnews and giving Luke's dad (Michael) some support? He also is going creative at present and planning on a CD and art exhibition. I can see that man will not let his quest to expose docs for a long time to come. It is good that there are more of us gathering together. Unfortunately Luke died in terrible circumstances.

Truly my prayers are with any parent who is fighting docs and seeing their unaccountability and their unjust ways first hand. I pity all children under docs care.

Posted By: DoCS_R_Dogs Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 30 Mar 2009 11:58:PM
got an address for alt news please?
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 31 Mar 2009 12:26:AM
ok google
altnews or google Luke's army. It will bring it up for you. Let me know if any problems finding it.

cheers.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Apr 2009 02:54:AM

An update, the book writing continues. The more I get into it the more I see problems of how to piece the whole thing together.
But it will happen if it is the last thing I do with my spare time ever again in this life!!
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 20 Apr 2009 06:53:PM
Now I wish to give you all an update on the class action issue against Child Safety. Go and read i hate gov dept site and you can see the actual letter that is being sent out to people who wish to take part in all this.
ring Angela 0429 160 656 she is the one organising it all at this point in time.
Posted By: thisisgood Re: The most hated Government Department - Wed 29 Apr 2009 02:19:AM
for those that don't realise - I hate gov is not on this forum anymore, has nothing to do with forum. It is way easier to understand and follow than altnews so hey guys, why not come over here and post some stuff over on here??
Posted By: AngryMum Re: The most hated Government Department - Tue 21 Jul 2009 05:42:AM
We need to find a lawyer that is willing to fight win or lose for everyone in our situation and there are a lot of people in that situation for nothing if we lose and a percentage if we win.
i have had dealings with the department. they took my kids just cause i wouldn't work with them and do everything they were telling me too and because my house was messy, they took my newborn cause i had a car accident while she was in my womb back in 2006, i just got them back in February but now they have taken them again for a game we were playing just cause my 7yr old son had a couple of bruises on him, but that is my son he always has bruises on him somewhere if only there was a lawyer out their willing to help..... I have departmental workers willing and waiting to go on the stand to say just how corrupt they are. i also know a lot of families in my town that didn't deserve what they got either. I am a mum of 6 and cannot find a lawyer that will help..
Posted By: kickemout Re: The most hated Government Department - Mon 07 Sep 2009 01:46:AM
THE REASON WHY NOTHING IS DONE REGARDING THE TERRORISM OF GOV AGENCIES SUCH AS THE DEPT OF CHILD ABUSE...... IS BECAUSE EACH AND EVERY MEMBER OF GOV IS FULLY AWARE OF THE TRYANNY THAT IS REIGNED DOWN ON FAMILIES, NOT ONLY IN THIS COUNTRY BUT GLOBALLY..... TIME TO OVERTURN ALL GOVERNMENTS!!!!!
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