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This has been a big topic of late , just thought I would add that an elderly gentleman ( who I installed a dish for )rang TV Plus over this problem and asked when it was going to be fixed.Mind you , it took him several days to get someone to answer the phone. They blamed his 80cm TV for the poor picture quality and basically denied there was a problem. So unless you plan on watching TV on one of those little portable 15 cm units , you are not going to be happy.

Boring you are so correct, It is unwatchable on a big TV. I did post that I wasn't going to say anymore about this as I see the rep for tvplus satfreak has never bothered to answer my question but I don't like that and My dad has told me to do it again for the very last time but this time I'm going to join every Satellite English and Serbian Forum and tell the truth about this problem as most don't have a clue about it, but what is happening I'll give you a example one of our relations has a LG plasma and has just had TV plus connected. Now for the last month they have been watching HDTV via a Digital set top box and plenty of DVD's so what happened as soon as the contractor connected the TV plus box and he got it going my cousin got a shock and asked the contractor "WHATS THIS RUBBISH?", its totally unwatchable on a plasma tv, the Contractor said if you want we can connect it to your older tv where it will be alot better. I must tell you, every day that passes more and more people are connecting to TV plus and more and more are going to be complaining to TV plus about the poor quality because they have been lied to, so you wonder why you can't get through on their phone lines and like I said, this is expedential as the days pass. [ 11. March 2005, 07:21 AM: Message edited by: Dishsat ]

One of the girls at uni was telling me her parents have just subscribed to TV PLUS and in the week they have had it they have been shut down twice, I did ask about the picture quality buy here dad is nearly blind and all he does is sits on the lounge and listens to it. My friend doesn't bother watching it she perfered the tarbs setup as she said when the old man is asleep she watched the English channels. Cathy.

Boring don't advertised you self cheap way.You are clear like glass

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Satfreaks: Boring don't advertised you self cheap way.You are clear like glass <hr /></blockquote>another one of ur useless posts again <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> keep them coming in hack the planet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

hey guys i just phoned i-view the new sat and they told me that they are only 3 channels available one is tv chilli and one is tve .this is not a good company it look shit

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ekhazen5: hey guys i just phoned i-view the new sat and they told me that they are only 3 channels available one is tv chilli and one is tve .this is not a good company it look shit <hr /></blockquote>they aren't even broadcasting any channels onto satellite yet??

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Satfreaks: Boring don't advertised you self cheap way.You are clear like glass <hr /></blockquote>I am not advertising anything shit for brains. I am stating though that I am not going to install another dish for TV Plus serivices because it will come back on me. Luckily the gentleman was understanding when I explained that it is not my fault and that is the best the picture is from their end. Personally , I would ask for my money back. If you paid via credit card you can ask your bank for a charge back if you do not receive/or receive substandard goods and services. They have no hope of enforcing contracts on you for something so sub standard.

i recommened this tv size for best results with the balkan TV PLUS Channels <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/colossos83/tv.JPG" alt=" - " />

Is it realy that bad I would like to see it. But its encrypted now so I will have to wait.

here is another un happy customer that is not happy with the tv plus service http://www.austech.info/showthread.php?t=105771 not a good start by far <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

Thats disgusting ands its getting worst by the day. I am now refusing to do any service work for TV PLUS installations whatsoever. Fred

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by -.Lazer.-: here is another un happy customer that is not happy with the tv plus service http://www.austech.info/showthread.php?t=105771 not a good start by far <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>It just shows you nothing will be done but i wonder why?. We spent 2 hrs on and off trying to contact TV plus with no avail, like I said every day that passes is a nail in there coffin.

Only last night we were invited to a friends place and we were watching this Plus tv channels and we commented that it very poor, It look like a old VCR tape recording that has been recorded 1000 times then recorded of the recording, i'm a aussie I told them to ditch it and get foxtel digital at least the picture quality is good. They are using a 53cm tv, Cant they get these channels elseware that look better.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr DVD: Cant they get these channels elseware that look better. <hr /></blockquote>they cant get any better from anywere else yet but that might change in the coming weeks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

It just shows you the more that subscribe, the more that talk about it the more the phones will ring at Tv plus. I have said it 10 time now ITS THERE PROBLEM

For christ sake for those that saw the Stats, it was in the local rag, over 40% of the population have a large TV whick includes plasma,LCD,DLP, whatever, and your watching Tv plus on that. Can they fix the problem???. By the way what you pay is what you get boys, Now I'm talking about the management here, not the poor customer.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Phil Debono: By the way what you pay is what you get boys, Now I'm talking about the management here, not the poor customer. <hr /></blockquote>EXACTLY RIGHT THEY GET WHAT THEY PAY FOR you know what they say u pay peanuts u get monkeys LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img src="http://crazymonkey.4t.com/images/aa2monkey.gif" alt=" - " /> [ 13. March 2005, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]

Good one Lazer I like that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> About this video and audio problem I have read this on News groups and now 3 forums that i know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> I would like to see it to make my own decision to see if its realy that bad as it has been said a many times. But I have read that its a Pal converted to NTSC and back to Pal, thats not good alone <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> jeff

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dishsat: ...like I said every day that passes is a nail in Tv+ coffin. <hr /></blockquote>hmmmm.... I don't think there is any space left in that coffin for more nails <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" /> [ 13. March 2005, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: YU4CFG ]

here is a greek channel i watch online its 45kbits stream and i say it looks similar quality to wat pink is pink might be slightly better but its pretty close to wat pink looks like on pas8 http://213.5.40.52:80/ACNsa or http://213.5.40.52/ACNsa [ 13. March 2005, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]

and this is were all the channels come from for all the pay tv companies on PAS8 KU TV Plus, WMI, Horizons TV Napa Valley USA off the panamsat site <img src="http://www.geocities.com/colossos83/napa_nite.JPG" alt=" - " />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jeff Williams: About this video and audio problem I have read this on News groups and now 3 forums that i know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> I would like to see it to make my own decision to see if its realy that bad as it has been said a many times. But I have read that its a Pal converted to NTSC and back to Pal, thats not good alone <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> jeff <hr /></blockquote>Jeff, there is a Screenshot of PINK+ made today from Tv+ (highest possible resolution on my video capture card) <img src="http://www.geocities.com/zapjevaj/Pink000.jpg" alt=" - " /> BTW, what the hell is that scrolling message for??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> How much extra $$ Tv+ is asking to get rid of it???

I've made this today (a little bit extra time in my hands <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> ) for everybody to see the quality of picture on Tv+ in comparison with UBI using the same parameters. <img src="http://www.geocities.com/zapjevaj/Pink000a.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/zapjevaj/BN000a.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/zapjevaj/BK000a.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/zapjevaj/Planeta000a" alt=" - " /> Now, everybody, put your "Beer Goggles" on and guess which Screenshot belongs to Tv+ and what channel has the best video quality <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Pink looks like its lost all its colors look abit like black and white and WTF !!! is that scrolling msg stil doing on there geeezzzz the Fri$#% thing is encrypted now the msg mite change soon to sumthin like " To Remove this Message Please add $50 to your Monthly Subscription and the message will be Removed for that Month if you Fail to Pay the Extra $50 a Month the Message will Re Appear Call TV Plus now for this GREAT OFFER " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

YU4CFG I have installed a lot of setups in my life. I also have done a lot of installs for TARBS itself and now I am a freelance installer. I have moved a lot of dishes from PAS 8 to B3 for UBI people and I have moved lately a few from B3 back to PAS 8 for TV Plus people, but I do not take any work from either as I don't want to be involved with the companies. There is one thing I can guarantee you, the amount of people that are starting to complain about the quality of TV Plus is horrendous, like I said, when I do a service call now and it has to do with any installation from PAS 8 KU, I ask them in regards to what problem. If they say the picture is fuzzy, not good, I don't bother, I tell them I am not interested as I don't have to turn up, my job was only to find the satellite and thats it. TV Plus, are you reading this, you have got a huge problem, the more that connect, the more that are talking, the more that are going to be complaining and as the guy above said Dishsat, a lot of people do have big TV's and they have an expectation of watching PINK on a large TV and I spoke to Phil over the phone last night and he read to me over the phone the email that was sent to him via a disgruntled ex-employee of PanAmSat and it made good reading and he should post it but he said he was going to wait. As far as I am concerned, UBI sit back, TV Plus is going to dig its own grave, they're in a catch 22 situation with Panglobal and thats about it. Phil please post the other emails on the forum.

YU4CFG You sound fussy to me how are you ever going to put up with TV plus,I hope for your sake you have a TV no bigger than 52CM.

Yep , thats looks like the picture I was talking about , you wanna see it on a 80cm TV !

I thought we referenced things to inches <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

52 inches is 135cm I think, Its funny you know everything today is now measured in the metric system except for two things WHAT ARE THEY!!

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fred: YU4CFG You sound fussy to me how are you ever going to put up with TV plus,I hope for your sake you have a TV no bigger than 52CM. <hr /></blockquote>Fred, my TV screen is 52, but inches, not cms <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> How I'm going to put up with Tv+, well, I'd rather ask: "How Tv+ is going to put up with so many unhappy customers?" Their service is worth nothing and that's exactly how much I'm going to pay for it. (as well as many of my friends <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> )

We would like to get our channels from tvplus but not at the moment. we are going to wait to see if and when we here good news when this problem is sorted out, If ever.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Boring: Yep , thats looks like the picture I was talking about , you wanna see it on a 80cm TV ! <hr /></blockquote>Fuzzy & Blurry all over <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> There was an old joke from Bosnia: Q: "Why Mujo (Bosnian guy) keeps a sharp knife close to his TV set?" A: "To sharpen up the picture!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> (hopefully, the joke is not "lost in translation") <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

I tell you one thing - it's not the signal problem, 'cos Pink looked perfect on HORIZON WORLD PLUS TV (before it was encrypted).

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Power_Surge: I tell you one thing - it's not the signal problem, 'cos Pink looked perfect on HORIZON WORLD PLUS TV (before it was encrypted). <hr /></blockquote>If you talking about Pink TV on Tv+ (before encryption as well as today) and called that a perfect, I'm afraid you need an urgent check with your ophthalmologist <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" />

another TV PLUS Trick are they going to start to split there channels into different categories like now they have 2 contracts on there site Bosnian and Serbian so does that mean ppl offcourse will have to pay 2 different fees for to sets of channels i thought it was goin to be 1 large balkan package on TV PLUS well doesnt seem like thats going to happen anymore TV PLUS now have 2 different contracts on there site now one for Serbian Package and one for Bosnian Package <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> also for the record CITY RECORDS is not a channel i think TV PLUS put it there to make it look like an an extra channel <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/colossos83/ch_logos.gif" alt=" - " /> http://www.tvplus.tv/signup.htm Also there seems to be different contact details on this one Bosnian Contract hhhhmmmm.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> http://www.tvplus.tv/Bosnian%20TVPlus%20Application.pdf http://www.tvplus.tv/Serbian%20Application.pdf [ 24. March 2005, 07:48 AM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]

The part that make me laugh is there own customers don't even trust them, I spoke to one of them yesterday and he got to speek to them over the phome about the quality problem and they said it will be definitely fixed in 4 weeks time. Start counting to see if its true.

Have you read Globecast are starting a new distribution platform on Telstar 10 at 76.5E? Come on not to hard to see what will happen.

yep they certainly are just saw this on the globecast site GlobeCast Expands Coverage and Presence in Asia Satellite Leader Selects Telstar 10 As Home For New Channel Distribution Platform Over Asia, Inaugurates Beijing Liaison Office Paris, 17 March 2005 – GlobeCast - the leading global satellite services company - announced today that it has launched a new satellite distribution platform on Telstar 10 to expand its capacity in Asia and has also opened a new liaison office in Beijing to serve the Asian market. GlobeCast’s Telstar 10 platform will enable programmers to target cable head-ends and DTH households with superior signal coverage and power over the entire region. From GlobeCast’s gateway in Singapore, the C-Band platform provides access to 70 million homes across 33 countries from its orbital position at 76.5° East, and offers an established neighborhood of premier programmers, including Animax, Disney, The Hallmark Channel and HBO. GlobeCast’s Singapore gateway serves as the uplink point to the Telstar 10 platform, and is connected by fiber to the company’s 14 other teleports and technical operations centers, thus ensuring one-hop seamless access to the platform from 5 continents. The all-inclusive service available on this platform includes encryption, multiplexing, uplink and space capacity. Playout services are also available. GlobeCast is prepared and eager to meet the rising demands of the Asian marketplace. The company’s new liaison office in Beijing is the fourth bureau for the company in Asia, and reflects China’s role as a key player for international media. GlobeCast Asia, the regional business unit of GlobeCast, is based in Singapore and currently also has liaison offices in New Delhi and Tokyo. The expansion of GlobeCast’s presence in Asia reflects the region’s rapid growth as a global economic force. Asia is home to half the world’s population and currently boasts more than 200 million TV homes and 800 cable and satellite channels; the latter is expected to reach 5,000 by 2012. GlobeCast Asia’s Beijing office is located at the Raycom Info Tech Park in the Haidian District, Beijing.

We will have 20 Pay tv Providers for a viewing audience of around 2 Million, what a joke. Some are going to go broke, rumours around saying that Globecast will carry the pink channels now that will piss Tv plus off.

wat do u mean globecast are going to carry the pink channels <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> now im really getin confused arent they doing this telstar 10 thing to benefit tv plus channels??? or are they going to start up there own thing up ?

seriously dont they know that you cant have 5 satellite providers all vying for a small percentage of the population!

Try to pay attention PAS8 KU = GLOBECAST / PANGLOBAL PLATFORM GLOBECAST are not in the pay tv business, they run the platform. TV PLUS is merely their customer who offer the channels. same as HRT, VISIONASIA, DUNA TV , TV KOREA etc are provided by various Australian organizations via B3 on the GLOBECAST platform. The Telstar 10 new Globecast platform is a CBAND distribution for hopping signals across from Europe /Asia to Eastern Australia in a single hop Very likely the same use as what UBI are doing, that they will use it to bring the better quality signals over for the users of PANGLOBAL platform and Globecasts B3 platform.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by apsattv: Try to pay attention PAS8 KU = GLOBECAST / PANGLOBAL PLATFORM GLOBECAST are not in the pay tv business, they run the platform. TV PLUS is merely their customer who offer the channels. same as HRT, VISIONASIA, DUNA TV , TV KOREA etc are provided by various Australian organizations via B3 on the GLOBECAST platform. The Telstar 10 new Globecast platform is a CBAND distribution for hopping signals across from Europe /Asia to Eastern Australia in a single hop Very likely the same use as what UBI are doing, that they will use it to bring the better quality signals over for the users of PANGLOBAL platform and Globecasts B3 platform. <hr /></blockquote>yes thats what i thought <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Has anyone got any news on the picture quality of TV plus? Have they fixed it yet?. [ 17. April 2005, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: ew_289 ]

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ew_289: Has anyone got any news on the picture quality of TV plus? Have they fixed it yet?. <hr /></blockquote>Not only Tv+ has done nothing to fix the picture quality, they lost BK TV as well <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> (BK TV got rid of Globecast and moved to another provider so Tv+ can't get the signal from US)

Just to report on the pictute quality of BH and Pink Extra, I'm still not impressed, and this supposed to be a fibre signal? your joking aren't you. Yes its better then the rest but by not much.

BHTV-1 is suppose to be coming off Thaicom 3 and Pink Extra is coming from the USA

So the pictures are still not that good for TV plus, It was said 6 weeks ago the problem was going to be fixed then. More lies from a Pay tv provider

Not this again!! I don't bother anymore

Well i can tell you all i visited a friend place last night that has TV PLUS and nothing has changed. Can a moderator please find back in February the post where it was told to the lot of us that the quality problem would be fixed in 4 to 6 weeks, Whats happened to that its now the 24/6/05 4 months later. talk about a conn.

maybe one of these <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> all talk no action <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> and i say one more thing they won the court case and now are exclusive to some of the balkan channels this including BK and were is BK been off for about 2 months now failing to deliver <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> a premium service LOL more like a inferior service to me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> [ 24. June 2005, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]

Thanks Lazer! Is it that many?.

well there related to satfreaks posts about the quality of the channels <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

Some of these go back to January.

Its shows you you can't trust them what happened to the Rep of tv plus on this forum satfreak does he visit anymore.

well like i said " All Talk No Action " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

havent seen satfreak in a while

I was talking to member King Curtis on this forum and he told me he is not bothered now as after losing tarbs they now have nothing and don't care anymore. Like he said he is not paying $65 for those limited amount of channels

I wonder how many customers TV plus have and I wonder how many have disconnected from them for whatever reason. I hate foxtel for the amount my friend pays TV PLUS I'm starting to think we might get foxtel.

Who cares about tv plus they have made their bed let them lie in it.

Just called up TV+, and asked about installation. They said between 4 and 6 weeks! WTF, all they need to do is send someone out with the STB! EASY! Take him less than half an hour to connect everything.

You wonder why?

why cant they just send u out the box its easy enough to hook up <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

I know, you should have a choice. I guess some older people might want them to pop by and connect everything, but yeah, I wouldn't mind having a choice. Also it would be in TV+'s interest to get as many people connected ASAP. The more people connected sooner, the sooner the cash starts rolling in!

The local installer can put up a dish in 1 hr and connect the box in 10 minutes so why do you have to wait that long, sounds like shit to me [ 05. July 2005, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Meatball ]

and if they do take that long they shouldn't be in business.

Poor Tv plus, running a Pay Tv company is not chalk and cheese.

Sounds like Mirchee Digital in Auckland. A 5 week wait for installs. Why?? they can't keep up with the demand! Any installers around want to work in Auckland? Just what you need Phill a nice winter holiday in NZ!

To cold for me mate!! QLD is to cold for me in Winter but its better than Sydney

http://web.archive.org/web/20040927194550/http://www.tvplus.tv/# heres, an archived version of tvplus website back last year in september, hardly anything has changed on it since. BKTV is still not back, and BHTV remains FTA. They probably running out of money to encrypt the channel. Signal quality is also still the same on the pinks etc, and weve been given many promises it will improve and signs of more chans but hardly anything is progressing....

Well what else is new we all knew it was full of shit, only an idiot would have ever believed what tv plus has ever said. We don't have it and we are slowly forgetting about it and others agree like me its just an overpriced substandard service. alcatron Do you have tv plus? If you do you don't sound that happy

no i dont have it, but some good friends of mine have it and they are very dissapointed...they want to disconnect but cant because they are still in that contract

Same here our parents have tv plus and now they wish they had somethin better. As for UBI I don't know what to think anymore but still have little faith that they will try to introduce some sort of package for us

UBI will give a nice selection of Balkan channels when they are launched shortly.

And we are waiting as I have been reading and I do believe what Phil has been saying will be true.

Not the dreaded TV plus picture quality again! Help Nooooooooooo

Reading on the newsgroups they are saying the same and are not happy about there very poor service and attidude towards there customers.

That was to be expected, As I said before I don't care what Tv Plus does I'll only care when they crash the forum will be full again with complaints from its Viewers taking up my time.

This is just hilarious, from Panamsat's PanGlobal site. “We enjoy working with the team at PanGlobal. They deliver a top-quality service to our customers”. - John Jeremic, Managing Director, TV Plus International

hahaha LOL " Top Quality " in what world LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

The trouble is whats top for one is shit for others and I still have to agree its the worst quality pictures I've ever seen since digital changed from analogue 10 years ago on satellite. Please tvplus keep it Encrypted. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Till today the European Bouquet has the Best quality to be seen on Satellite, its good.

and i701 KU French Channels they are realy good.

Its been so long since the demise of tarbs that we can do without our channels and defiently will not pay so much for so little for that quality. At least I expect the basic English channels with tvplus for that price.

This thread still going as strong as ever and when you look what UBI are up to and you look at TV Plus are doing it shows you how limited TV plus are. What a disgrace UBI should have been allowed to get the Serbian channels.