From Austech.<br /><br />"Ubi is going irdeto2 as from 1st of march 2006. We only have about 2 weeks left.It will be oficially annonced end of this week. they already annoced it in a few ethnic radio stations."

There has been no announcement from UBI WORLD TV regarding this issue.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> There has been no announcement from UBI WORLD TV regarding this issue. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">But there will be!

When there is you will see it posted here by me.

So, all current U.B.I. subscribers are going to need a new IRDETO receivers.<br /><br />And I don't think U.B.I. will suply replacement boxes for free... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

Why do I get the feeling that if this is true and does happen within 2 weeks, it means that I will need to buy a new box, after having paid for a 2nd-hand TARBS box not all that long ago. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> <br /><br />Also I think the Dreamax unit, that I only got a few months use out of and now only use for ERT, will also be useless (except for ERT), as I believe it only supports Irdeto and not the newer Irdeto2.<br /><br />Does anyone know if it supports Irdeto2?<br /><br />If not, what kind of decoder will I need?<br /><br />RATLSNAKE

The Dreamax should support Irdeto2, so it should be all good!

From my knowledge none of the paying customers will be inconvenienced or out of pocket.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 15. February 2006, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Liski ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> So, all current U.B.I. subscribers are going to need a new IRDETO receivers.<br /><br />And I don't think U.B.I. will suply replacement boxes for free... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Another terrible posting by YU4FG... Always jumping to conclusions... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br /><br />I think its best for subscribers to wait for the official update rather then stating thoughts without any merit. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> From my knowledge none of the paying customers will be in convinced or out of pocket. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well this is pretty much an acknowledgment that the "rumour" is true.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> From my knowledge none of the paying customers will be inconvenienced or out of pocket. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Much better <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

It was only a matter of time , 6 out of every 10 watching UBI are doing it with a modded box.

Not for long <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> It was only a matter of time , 6 out of every 10 watching UBI are doing it with a modded box. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And if they go ir2 then 1 sub will be doing 20 free with card sharing...Bring on ir2 and see what happens.I can see most of broadmeadows card sharing on one sub!<br /><br />mixo

Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service

So is it time to sell my ex-tarb box????

liski wrote...<br />Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service<br /><br />---------------------------<br /><br />I am only guessing, we dont know what ubi is upto, all the talk in here is gossip.<br /><br />mixo

Since I am not using the box I'll get rid of it ASAP!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You really live with the fairies dont you ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You really live with the fairies dont you ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">LMAO <img src="http://www.delicaparts.com/Satellite/Smilies/S_WideSml.gif" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />Good one, Boring <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Boring & YU4CFG,<br /><br /><br />If you believe Card Sharing will work then believe away.

It does seem to work well on Foxtel and Austar Liski :)BTW , they are now succesfully sharing V5 cards. Try Power Vu or something maybe ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br /><br />You remind me somewhat of the Iraqi Information Minister. <br /><br />" There is no card sharing " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Which is a great follow up to " We have disabled all modified boxes "

I will not be commenting any further until there is more information for the subscribers of UBI WORLD TV

Good idea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> I will not be commenting any further until there is more information for the subscribers of UBI WORLD TV </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Very good idea, although the damage is done <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" />

uuummm what damage ?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

YU4CFG,<br /><br />You really need to grow up

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> uuummm what damage ?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">like: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> none of the paying customers will be inconvenienced or out of pocket.<br /><br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">and: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Not for long </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">PS:<br />Liski, I prefer to stay young <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

He is telling us what he knows whats wroung with that??

How is that damage? If you think stating the facts below damage then maybe you are angry that your not getting a new IRD or maybe your still angry at UBI for disabling your IRD after you were advised to change the freq?<br /><br />None of the paying subscribers will be inconvenienced or need to purchase a new IRD. They will be given a brand new IRD free of charge <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />The people who are watching UBI for free won't be watching free in a few months time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> He is telling us what he knows whats wroung with that?? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nothing wrong, on the contrary. I am always for telling as it is. (hate conspiracy) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> He is telling us what he knows whats wroung with that?? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nothing wrong, on the contrary. I am always for telling as it is. (hate conspiracy) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There's a big difference in telling as it is or thinking as it is. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

"The people who are watching UBI for free won't be watching free in a few months time "<br /><br /><br />Shame its closing down then<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

Will talk to my contact who deals in C.A systems see what he can tell me about what's going on..

Could UBI be using the new v5 cards, that people have been mentioning? Supposedly, harder to card share.

Well I better be getting a new box as I won't fork out a cent, I'm happy that UBI is stepping up their game in the move against piracy but card sharing is still going to exist, they are doing it with NDS and Irdeto2 as it is, it will cut pirates down by alot though as your average pirate doesn't know shit about cs...<br /><br />Unless UBI are going Irdeto 3 or something I see Card Sharing threads for UBI on austech already.

I've installed a lot of CA systems over the years, and in a simulcrypt environment, the weakest encryptions sets the standard for the entire platform. Until UBI can turn off MDS entirely, or at least quarantine sub-service groups (meaning replacing bulk STBs), it will still be subject to the same level of piracy and chard sharing. BTW the CA vendors have noticed card sharing ........

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong>BTW the CA vendors have noticed card sharing ........ </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well I don't think they'll be running MDS and Irdeto2 simultaneously, and if they do it won't be for long. You last comment is very interesting, would you like to fill in the dots.......?

But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes to achieve this and how to maintain both services during the transistion. The usual way to do this is to use simulcrypt (a DVB standard that allows mutiple CA systems to work on a single mux) a good example is Austar that is running both NDS and Irdeto using this method. But MDS is not DVB compliant and I doubt it supports the simulcrypt interface. Even id MDS is simulcrypt complient, there is only one control word shared between the CA systems - the weakest encryptions sets the security level. The only other option is to dual illuminate service which doubles the satellite costs ....... it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong> But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes to achieve this and how to maintain both services during the transistion. The usual way to do this is to use simulcrypt (a DVB standard that allows mutiple CA systems to work on a single mux) a good example is Austar that is running both NDS and Irdeto using this method. But MDS is not DVB compliant and I doubt it supports the simulcrypt interface. Even id MDS is simulcrypt complient, there is only one control word shared between the CA systems - the weakest encryptions sets the security level. The only other option is to dual illuminate service which doubles the satellite costs ....... it will be interesting to see how this plays out. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't know how true this is, but some have said that 3110 boxes can be flashed to Irdeto. They could just have a period where it's FTA. get everyone on Irdeto and the encrypt again. Although you are right, who's going to do the installs, that's going to be a pretty big job.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong> But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes to achieve this and how to maintain both services during the transistion. The usual way to do this is to use simulcrypt (a DVB standard that allows mutiple CA systems to work on a single mux) a good example is Austar that is running both NDS and Irdeto using this method. But MDS is not DVB compliant and I doubt it supports the simulcrypt interface. Even id MDS is simulcrypt complient, there is only one control word shared between the CA systems - the weakest encryptions sets the security level. The only other option is to dual illuminate service which doubles the satellite costs ....... it will be interesting to see how this plays out. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Going FTA for a couple of weeks might be the only solution

If they do go FTA for a while it gives people from Pas8 companies to check out UBI channels and may decide to join... and it could benefit UBI.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong> But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Exactly what I've mentioned before. Replacing all customers' receivers with new ones is going to cost a lot. On the top of it, there is INSTALATIONS. It's costly as well. I hope that burden is not going to be transferred to U.B.I. subscribers...

YU4CFG,<br /><br />Give it a rest!

I guess UBI have evaluated the costs of lost revenue vs the cahnging of the new system. I'm sure they have a figure. probably take a hit on it then be better off int eh long run.<br /><br />Doe sthis mean it will be easier for UBI to distribute english channels? and have full 16:9 digital vid?

The new system has nothing to do with English channels or 16:9.<br /><br />Most of the international feeds we receive are not in 16:9 format.

guys they are not doing the change over to improve their customers viewing.They are doing it do cut piracy.<br /><br />Dont excpect anything like 16:9, better quality picture or anything else for that matter.<br /><br />They are just going to change encryption systems.Well thats the rumour anyway.<br /><br />mixo

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> YU4CFG,<br /><br />Give it a rest! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hey, Liski, this is a forum open for discussion even if you don't like what some are saying you should not try to stop it.<br />I'll say what's on my mind, even if you may not like it.<br /><br />&#1056;&#1072;&#1079;&#1073;&#1080;&#1088;&#1072;&#1096;?

Irdeto boxes cost stuff all<br />$35 u.s each or even less in bulk<br /><br />As for instalations what is hard about sending out the box and letting the subscriber plug it in themselves?

apsattv, I know it's cheap for the company to buy receivers but even simple plug-in procedure could be a nightmare for some elderly subscribers... Anyway, maybe U.B.I. will buy, deliver and install new boxes free of charge (if you live with the fairies) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

Yu4cfg...watch it or you will get lazered!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />If ubi sees that ir2 is the way to go they will do it.Its not up to us what they do.<br /><br />Liski works for ubi and he will spin ubis line, everyone knows this.The secret is to read between the lines!<br /><br />I really dont care what they do, I get all the top rating greek series off the net anyway, and ert has the best news available on sat for FREE!!!.It even has good series as long as you know how to set the video.<br /><br />If you are greek you really dont need ubi.60 dollars buys you a lot of broadband these days!!!!<br /><br />mixo<br /><br />P.s I forgot to mention if you are lucky enought to have a greek/turkish video shop you can get most of the series on VHS for a buck each!So you see you really can do without ubi , tvplus and the rest!<br /> <br /> <small>[ 16. February 2006, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: mixo ]</small>

mixo, your post is very interesting, especially if I read between lines <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mixo:<br /><strong> Yu4cfg...watch it or you will get lazered!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Relax mixo your acting like a school child that didt get his way so has to be a smart arse about it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> and have a cry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

You all make me laugh. How about you wait and find out what the plans are instead of starting rumors!<br /><br />There might be only a handful of people registered but there are over 20,000 guests reading and I'd prefer for them not to get sucked into your rumors.

Off Topic<br /> <br /> <small>[ 17. February 2006, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: Liski ]</small>

Enough is enough, I personally know at least 10 people who where about to purchase boxes and many others who have already purchased their box so they can subscribe to UBI. My advice to them is not to purchase or subscribe until UBI make things clear we need an official announcement if a change is to be made and also a guarantee that all current subscribers will not be inconvenienced or out of pocket in any way. Also those who have boxes and are in the process of subscribing be assured of the same deal. The announcement and assurance needs to occur within 48 hours as March 1st is only 7 working days away<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

MadScientist,<br /><br />Read my posts and you will see that:<br /><br />No paying/valid subscribers will be inconvenienced or need to purchase a new IRD. They will be given a brand new IRD free of charge.<br /><br />Also do not focus on 1st of March - nothing will be happening on this date!

Can you give us an indication of the time frame for this transition and what will happen during the transition

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MadScientist:<br /><strong> Enough is enough, I personally know at least 10 people who where about to purchase boxes and many others who have already purchased their box so they can subscribe to UBI. My advice to them is not to purchase or subscribe until UBI make things clear we need an official announcement if a change is to be made and also a guarantee that all current subscribers will not be inconvenienced or out of pocket in any way. Also those who have boxes and are in the process of subscribing be assured of the same deal. The announcement and assurance needs to occur within 48 hours as March 1st is only 7 working days away<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think its best to get them to subscribe now to be able to get a free box otherwise they have wasted their money with the Mentor Box.

That information is not revelant at the moment.<br /><br />There is no need to advise people not to subscribe to UBI.<br /><br />Nicely said Big Chief!

How about deleteing your mates lasers message as well, that was off topic...<br /><br />i think there is one rule for some people in here and another for the others..<br /><br />mixo<br /><br />P.s If you want to know what i said just pm me...No big secret either...

mixo,<br /><br />I will leave this post so people don't think I'm doing something bad but please stay on topic!

Liksi I dont deny your right to delete messages, I just want you to be consistant!<br /><br />mixo

According to B52 over at Austech, "UBI Irdeto Delta-5 is scheduled for roll out in April. UEC will supply the boxes at $70 each."

ABC Asia Pacific have also sent out version 5 irdeto cards for their service...<br /><br />There is compatability issues with some decoders..<br /><br />This may be an issue to some who plan to stick the new UBI card in their own IRDETO unit.<br /><br />I bet the cards will be locked to the new UEC unit..

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by apsattv:<br /><strong> ...I bet the cards will be locked to the new UEC unit.. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'd say it's a safe bet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" />

Well will our MDS units be any good for PBS?

Thinks hard...<br />see's EX UBI MDS units floating away to Fiji.......

Unless PBS also go Delta V5 with the UEC's also.

w000t my dreamax has irdetto 2

From what I understand of it the irdeto v5 stream is delivered at a faster rate causing timing issues. This is causing incompatibilty legit Irdeto comaptible hardware.<br /><br />Some manufacturers will need to release newer firmware.

Word on the street is that UBI has advised its installers that they will start ditributing Irdeto STBs on 17 Mach. <br /><br />So, MDS STBs will only be good for landfill. Hope nobody is stuck with significant stock or bids for one of these crap boxes on ebay.

The datarates are all set in the DVB spec. The real issue is the version of Irdeto SofCel integrated into the STB. Off the top of my head you need >= ver 2.4 to support the epsilon card. <br />Problem with Irdeto is that not all STBs are made equally. Irdeto makes their money by charging STB manufactures a royalty on each STB that they produce. Some, mostly Chinese and Korean, vendors fail to pay this fee, in effect pirating the SoftCel. But their SoftCels are never tested (DVT) and are always very old, but they are marketed as Irdeto STBs......... Buyer beware.....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by megb68:<br /><strong> So is it time to sell my ex-tarb box???? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If you're not subscriber of U.B.I., SELL IT, ASAP... (Prices are in free fall) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

The TVPlus cards are Epsilon. Are they V3?

A post by liski himself states that no paying UBI customers will out of pocket.<br /><br />Liski has mentioned on a different site/forum that all customers will have to pay at least $70 dollars for a new box.<br /><br />Which is true? Free or not and how mutch.<br />Or is this a new way of scamming more money out of ex-tarbs subscribers and then switching of again in a few months. <br />Why is it that Ubi didn't invest into buying/supplying the new irdeto2 in the first place. something is not right here everyone.<br />"BUYER BEWARE"<br />I'd also like to mention that many so called "exclusive" channels to UBI where realy FTA and UBI was falsely advertising them as their own. <br />Ive' been suckered once but not twice!<br /><br />PS. I do understand UBI is not in any way ascociated with TARBS but they seem to be going the same way.....interesting. <br />Where is Mr Boulos anyway?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VCValiant:<br /><strong> <br />Liski has mentioned on a different site/forum that all customers will have to pay at least $70 dollars for a new box.<br /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Liski wasent the one that posted that saw that message on austech and it wasent from Liski<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VCValiant:<br /><strong> I'd also like to mention that many so called "exclusive" channels to UBI where realy FTA and UBI was falsely advertising them as their own. <br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which ones??

Sorry then!<br />Must of got confused in all those punches and stone throwing. Sorry liski if I missjudged you but I'm just being carefull.

I have been told that there are some management people who were involved in TARBS, also involved in UBI.<br /><br />One of the Call Centre people just came out and told me when I asked, when I first rang up about some info I needed, because I said how I was unsure whether I could trust UBI based on the TARBS experience of many.<br /><br />I wonder what the case really is?

The former TARBS CEO is one of the investors in UBI WORLD TV

UBI and TARBS are the same!<br /><br />They have the some directors, they operate out of the same office using the same technical facilities and the same equipment. They are both run by Mr Boulos.<br /><br />The only difference is the spelling!<br /><br />How can anyone believe that "no UBI subscriber will be out of pocket" after TARBS history in ripping subscribers off?<br /><br />Notice how they are trying to keep this quiet as long as possible so as not to disrupt sales of soon to be usless MDS STBs - happy to lure new subs to pay $300 for a STB that will only work for a couple of months. Typical Boulos strategy.<br /><br />**** You've been ripped off once - Buyer Beware ****

TV_Nerd,<br /><br />Please get your facts right before you jump to conclusions as many others do on here.<br /><br />It's best for a customer to subsribe now with an MDS IRD. They will continue viewing and will be given a new IRD free of charge as stated by myself multiple times.<br /><br />I think you need to go back and read this thread and other threads before jumping to conclusions.<br /><br />Did you work at TARBS - do you know what really happened? No! so please don't start this topic again!

Our CEO has met with Mr. Boulos on two ocassions, and both time he introduced himself as the owner of UBI.<br /><br />I don't understand why you try and hide the fact, Mr. Boulos owned TARBS which was forced into receivership by PanAmSat owing them $30,000,000.<br /><br />UBI was started by Mr Boulos a year latter (after being arrested at Sydney airport on fraud charges) in the same premises, using the same conditional access and STBs (TARBS/UBI are ane of the few MDS users in the world).<br /><br />If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ......

Actually the CEO of UBI is Mr Boulos' wife (who's family is worth alot of money) But as Mr Boulos is currently bankrupt he is using his wife's name to run UBI. <br />AS I said before, Why didn't UBI just begin using the the IRD2 boxes in the first place? <br />Would it have been easier than to go through all this trouble now due to piracy wich they new was always a problem even from the days of TARBS?<br />Nobody can answere this question can they?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Tahoma, Verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Tahoma, Verdana">Originally posted by VCValiant:<br /><strong> Nobody can answere this question can they? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Tahoma, Verdana">Answer is simple. <br /><br />Firstly, they didn't have money to do that !!! starting up with the existing equipment was cost effective.<br /><br />Secondly, they didn't think piracy will be this wide spread. even they did, they couldn't have afforded to change the encryption system anyway. they had to start broadcasting immideately not to lose market.<br /><br />now they have somewhat cashflow and are ready for the action.

As I said before,<br />MR/Mrs Boulos are worth alot of money $$$$$$$$$$$(where talking billions here)<br />Money is not the issue.<br />Wrong answer!<br />They new about piracy.<br />Even foxtel can be pirated and their system is about three generation in from technology wise, so don't tell me they didn't know. Their heads couldn't be that far up their a__se.<br /><br />I say again "NOBODY CAN ANSWER THIS CAN THEY"<br /><br />PS: Sharp this reply is not inteded to be a personal remark at you, your answer seems logical and honest, but until yoiu begin to look further into the UBI background this answer dosen't make sense.

Liski.<br />Will UBI be FTA while they change to the new encryption?

UBI WORLD TV CEO is Mr Sam Bilge so please get your facts right.<br /><br />This topic has once again gone way off topic and has been closed.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Tahoma, Verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Tahoma, Verdana">Originally posted by VCValiant:<br /><strong> As I said before,<br />MR/Mrs Boulos are worth alot of money $$$$$$$$$$$(where talking billions here)<br />Money is not the issue.<br />Wrong answer!<br />They new about piracy.<br />Even foxtel can be pirated and their system is about three generation in from technology wise, so don't tell me they didn't know. Their heads couldn't be that far up their a__se.<br /><br />I say again "NOBODY CAN ANSWER THIS CAN THEY"<br /><br />PS: Sharp this reply is not inteded to be a personal remark at you, your answer seems logical and honest, but until yoiu begin to look further into the UBI background this answer dosen't make sense. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Tahoma, Verdana">ur free to believe anything u like.<br /><br />but i can't understand the point u trying to make. you mean they sell new boxes to existing customers make profit and close the shop again?<br /><br />it's said many times boxes will be free. i dunno what u trying to achieve.<br /><br />i don't care what encryption they use or who the real owner is. couldn't care less.<br /><br />as long as they provide my channels with my monthly fee i'm more than happy. so should u.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 22. February 2006, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>