Hi Phil, Its an upsetting story what Fred wrote above. Sorry to hear what happened to those kids and you car. From his story, I realise you're working at Q'Hill STP. You might remember me from the plant's PLC&Scada upgrade projects that I was running as Siemens Project Engineer when Caster was in charge of the plant "I do not know if he is still in charge". They used to call me King as my name is Faruk and reminds most people the egyptian King Faruk but with one minor differance I'm Turkish.