dont know some ppl dnt like the idea of purchasing a reciever just for there service when they already have one but the PAS8 service they will not sell u a card only u have to purchase the box and get the card with it or else they will not let u connect to there service without there equipment its not like the PAS2 service which they only supply u with a card which is a better idea and convienient for most ppl as some already have a capable reciever or using a irdeto card