ubi must understand this -no Vizyon, no turkish subscribers-<br /><br />Vizyon is a vital channel, I know many turkish ppl did not subscribe to UBI because no Vizyon in UBI line up. <br /><br />Without Vizyon it is impossible to watch prime time programs, even if you set your vcr and record one channel, you miss all other channel's prime time programs. so there is no point having 8, 10 or 100 channels.<br /><br />and believe me old ppl can never figure out setting VCRs out for future recording.<br /><br />I always wondered is it too diffucult to put 9 hours delay on some channels??? this is the only option I can think of to replace vizyon. <br /><br />if they can't afford to turn Vizyon alive, they should at least put 9 hours delay on Show tv, Kanal D and Atv, so ppl can watch morning programs in morning time, prime time programs at prime time. <br /><br />At the moment subscribers can only watch turkish morning cooking shows all night long !!!

Vizyon was an in-house channel that TARBS put together, and therefore will not be on the UBI WORLD TV platform. In future we are considering developing our own in-house channel for Turkish and other language services.

name is not important, vizyon, lisyon, losyon, whatever. <br /><br />I mean that kind of channel or a delaying process must take place.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> ...name is not important, vizyon, lisyon, losyon, whatever...<br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How 'bout: LOTION <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: YU4CFG ]</small>

it's fine by me...

In future we are considering developing our own in-house channel for Turkish and other language services - As advised by UBI<br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Liski ]</small>

while they're preparing to that... why don't they simply broadcast 3 above-mentioned channels delayed ??? is it too difficult?

The whole point of TV is LIVE DIRECT TV if i'm not mistaken.

NO it is not... whole point is making the customers happy. <br /><br />Turkish channels aren't being broadcasted live in the US. At least some of them arent. they re-arrange the programs for their prime time. we can do that too by simply putting 9 hrs delay on some channels.<br /><br />I don't know your taste but I don't know anyone happy with the turkish programming. every night subscribers have to watch turkish morning shows. they never ever get to see good programs. And I know many families don't want to subscribe to UBI just because of this.<br /><br />now you tell me how long ubi will survive like this?<br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

Maybe they are letting it go for now once everything is organised they will put it all together at right time.

No wonder not many people have signed up for UBI from Melb. This is the reason.

Yes time for time shifting Foxtel do it for their channels like Showtime and Showtime2 + all the others. But unfortunately this costs money and transponder spots to do this, If you delay it people will complain, and if you don't they still will complain, you can't win! nor you can't please everybody.

Its time for UBI to talk and listen to its customers.<br />(Majority rules)

can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Like about $80,000 per channel, ask Foxtel their still complaining <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Time shifting Equipment is not cheap.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Like about $80,000 per channel, ask Foxtel their still complaining <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">what channels on foxtel time shifted? I didn't know they had that. I only knew showtime 1 showtime 2 but they're different. its not shifting they're just circulating movies.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 30. November 2004, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

most of there channels has a time shifted channel i think there is a 2hour delay on them for each channel<br /><br />and as for showtime and showtime 2 it is time shifted as soon as showtime finishes playing a movie showtime 2 start playing it from the begining again<br /> <br /> <small>[ 01. December 2004, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: Lazer ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> can't agree more. I understand establishing a new channel can be costly, but delaying some of them shouldn't. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Like about $80,000 per channel, ask Foxtel their still complaining <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">what channels on foxtel time shifted? I didn't know they had that. I only knew showtime 1 showtime 2 but they're different. its not shifting they're just circulating movies. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Foxtel on there digital package now have many channels that are time shifted 2 hours only, and they are the EXACT CHANNELS shifted back 2 hrs, UBI could shift to 12 hrs or whatever, again its $$$$$ that a new company doesn't have.

My recommendation for the delayed transmission is recording each channels on LP DVD Recorders and Re-Trnasmitting them manually as this way is the cheapes solution for UBI. I still remember what sort of _piece of s..t fotocopy" TV_Guides they used to send us to save time and money and it was manually done at that time so why not this time. C'mon guys more brain more ideas for UBI to generate solution for free!

yeah, since they don't/can't, we should create ideas. But i doubt they give a damn about them.<br /><br />anyway one from me,similar to fsking's one but better than nothing...<br /><br />... they can use 3 PVRs for 3 channels. once they set them up for recording and playback times. they don't need to do much manually. how's that?<br /><br />if they don't know how much they are... they're $400-$500 on ebay. if they don't know what ebay is, they can search on google. if they don't know what google is, they can email and ask me. if they don't know what email is... hmmmm...<br /><br />...they'd better pack up their stuff and go before the second bankruptcy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 01. December 2004, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

Good idea, but wait to see if someone else comes up with a better one then ask Phil to submit the best possible solution if they care.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> Time shifting Equipment is not cheap. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well said Phil. Also recompiling to produce a channel like Vizyon is expensive as well.

Phil's on the ball again!<br />I think what UBI will do if ever they start to make a profit, they will re-invest it back into UBI and then you might see time shifting etc.

Hey we're speaking the same language.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

when tarbs went down it was 6 years old and never made profit.<br /><br />to be able to make profit u should provide service first make your customers happy and earn more customers... then think about making profit.<br /><br />if you say lets make money first then we'll think about customers' requests later, you'd definitely go down again and again.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 02. December 2004, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

In addition to ShaRp's comment, new Pay Tv providers TV Plus etc will generate more competitive market, then forget forget more profits, they will have more trouble to keep their existing customers, well, most probably excluding Turkish customers as the channels were already gone by UBI.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ShaRp:<br /><strong> when tarbs went down it was 6 years old and never made profit.<br /><br />to be able to make profit u should provide service first make your customers happy and earn more customers... then think about making profit.<br /><br />if you say lets make money first then we'll think about customers' requests later, you'd definitely go down again and again. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">FOXTEL is still making a loss mate and they have been in it longer. Its how big your pockets are at the end of the day. In this case Telstra ...<br /><br />Pay TV is a money draining venture especially when trying to acquire subscribers..

I cant understand why they cant make it more cheaper and make money on the volume of subscribers. Since there is only crap on FTA chanells on TV, ppl will pay gladly if it was cheaper.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ZuluChief:<br /><strong> I cant understand why they cant make it more cheaper and make money on the volume of subscribers. Since there is only crap on FTA chanells on TV, ppl will pay gladly if it was cheaper. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">In addition that they allready found ways to save more in running costs as they do not deal with free installations, free technical service etc. Thing few months back how its all started. Firstly was FTA so ppl can get their dish/lnb adjustments fixed with no cost to UBI then the Tarbs box story, even charged $49 one off for the service to establish the box/card merge with authorisation. So, my point is UBI has allready made very good savings in this transition, why not use this opprtunity to make more customers with trust and reliability.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 06. December 2004, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: ShaRp ]</small>

hey speaka the Englander for all to read

Nein we kill all Englander.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Hi All,<br />Just found a new box from SONY which has 7 tuner, it can record all 7 channels with time delay and heaps functions. Its SONY VAIO TYPE X for sale $6500.00 in Japan. Another recommendation to UBI for time delaying solutions for the live Turkish channels.

thats good you never give up fsking <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />hope they will listen to u.

There will hopefully be a similar service to Vizyon in the future but at the moment I guess the focus is to get the channels line-up done and then look at in-house produced channels. It took TARBS 2 years to develop and produce Vizyon and it wasn't a easy thing to do plus alot of time and people were involved.

Yes and more staff required, and staff cost $$$$$ so until more cash flow comes in I would say not for a while.!

we already gave up on vizyon<br /><br />here, we were discussing about time delaying process.

ShaRp, I started loosing my hope of the time delay process for the Turkish channels and UBI-VIZYON which will not happen for the next year or two as mentioned it took two years to prepare the original VIZYON by Tarbs. So, It will be very difficult to make a decision for most of the ppl as there is not many options left. Sleepless nights coming back soon...<br /> <br /> <small>[ 08. December 2004, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: fsking ]</small>

fsking!In Israel is special place called<br />RRSatellite Communication,where they do Uplinks<br />and Downlinks for all continents and time delay<br />to,including Australia<br />Regards