Thanks for that explanation Justice on the actual defining by law on what is rape...so why is it considered sexual assault?

You would think the argument clear when a woman has been raped and this results in the birth of a child, but it's not...it was nothing but sexual assault...

mmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, If i was to have.....Say consented sex with a 15/16 yr old.

and I am then found out..................
is that Rape??
or
is that Pedophilia ???????.

Justice4all
I think she was being sarcastic and just joking.
Now tell me this .
I played football for 7 years and it was not unusual in the scrum for someone to stick their finger up your arse.
Now tell me in the law of the land that would be called RAPE!!!!!!!!

What a Joke the crown has forgot the true meaning of that word RAPE!.

Everyone knows in league John Hopawate from the Manly League club, He was very well known for giving the finger treatment, now tell me all in todays law that would be call RAPE!

No mate they're stale!!

They love using the latest charge they have dug up and that the crap charge called Maintaining a Sexual relationship with a child under the age of 16.
Mind you that teacher was up on 229 charges had about 50 of them as rape charges but the crown dropped them for the new flowered Maintaining a relationship charge as its harder to prove against in court.

Its a new Charge deliberately designed to get more convictions to fill our jails.
Again I will say something that will shock you all in late 2009.
Boy O Boy I can't wait, It will be like a virus to the legal system.

And a Virus Checker wont stop it HAAAAAAAAA

All you need to do is have consented sex with a child under the age of 16 years old once!!! or more and even if the Girl screams at the police that she wanted it by BRAIN WASHING YOU BY FLASHING her mut at you that memorized you you still will be charged.
Before the new charge was introduced they crown was stuffed as the Rape charge could not be used for the above so now with the new CODE 229B Charge called Maintaining a sexual relationship with a child under 16 you are stuffed if you admit that you had sex with a 16 year old.
Ever since this charge has been introduced the Lawyers Tackle cases in a different way.

trust me this will be the next update to the law that we will have.

DOCS are already talking to the attorney no so general.

Okies.

Lets say I did have consented sex with a 15 yr old girl.Once....
And lets say I pleaded guilty and was charged with Unlawful carnal knowledge. and lets add that I spent 1 yr in prison for that one off.

How is this twisted to be pedophilia??
How does it go from that 15 yr girl to boys? to babies to my own??.
How do does it become to be classed as a predator ??.

and this is where it becomes so retarded.
The prison system is over crowded, yet these pricks would rather fill it to the brim.
even when in prison, the pricks(system) still tell you that your a kid frked.

Yeah I figured as much. But it's always good to have some basic fact and knowledge out there for all to know.

what the heck has happened? have moved on to something bigger and better?

I'm glad to say that it's neither.

It never should have gone any further than what you were originally charged with. I think that DOCS need to understand that they can't make up laws/charges that don't exist! Unfortunately Unlawful carnal knowledge can be referred to as a child sex offence, but that doesn't classify you as a paedophile based simply on that charge.

Yes, unlawful carnal knowledge is a child sex offense.

The way the system works, many child sex offenders are considered paedophiles, but all offenders earn themselves a spot on the registry.

If the person has pleaded guilty, it doesn't matter.

Not all child sex offenders are paedophiles. A lot are simply "child sex offenders".

I've not heard of any case where a genuine paedophile attacks a child of 15.

But DoCS label everyone.

Wow behind Pine rivers and mermaid beach is Roma...still behind in numbers but ahead by 2 with other big cities, must be some major crap ILLEGAL problems coming out from that office.

From what I understand it covers the Charleville office with both these offices having to share a manager...well well well....

And like all the the others charges they are old and tired and USELESS.

But now we have latest with duel exhaust and a super charger and its called maintaining a sexual relationship with a child under 16.
Like I said before since this charge has been introduced with its buddy called a 93a its just about impossible to escape it and 70% of the times even with no real evidence the person will be found guilty.
See the 93a is GOD, and its to be treated this way and boy O boy don't the prosecutors know it as they push this to the hilt to the jury to convict a person on what a Child wrote if the child wrote it as they also allow the parents of the child to write it (They can add juicy bits in) + what the child says in front of a video recording.
(PS DO you know the crown edit the bits out of the tape that doesn't suit them and its up to the defence team before the trial to argue to have them put back in)

The Public today have not got a clue what goes on in a court room today

you have to remember too, that labrador,and nerang sprang out of mermaid beach only 3yrs ago , so they wouldnt have the numbers....makes it all look sick doesnt it

Nah, Labrador opened it's doors last year in Feb 2007.

did it take the dolts that long to put it in place

They twist it so it suits themselves.

The new designer charge called maintaining a sexual relationship with a child under the age of 16 has a max sentence of LIFE BEHIND BARS!!!
The others Puffff.

[quote=I Hate GOV, DEPT][quote=DocSniper]Okies.


They twist it so it suits themselves.

They certainly do twist it,
Docs false accusations
Docs organised a false arrest, and in report, falsified information of the evening invasion, claiming the partner requested removal.
Docs organised another false arrest.
Docs using stand over tactics to female partner.
Alternately Docs trying to cover up false arrest and not being able to prove accusations made against partner, are now focusing on the female partner.
Doc are not worried about the original invasion or person concerned as they have no evidence, now focusing on demoralizing female and children and breaking up the family environment.
Docs worker is personally friends with the informant whom is making false accusations, and their personal opinion is taking over the investigation.
Docs organising removal of children, and they feel the mother is now an unfit mother, and female is not allowed to be in a relationship until youngest child turns eighteen.
Docs also informing female that she personally heard there was a rape in one of the suburbs in Adelaide, involving a 12 year old, which she considered the said partner, she quoted and said she thought he did it. Even though the partner was at home with evidence of such.
Partner goes to court - gets adjourned and a great comment from Judge, that he was doing all good, and the Judge could see that he was a good person and abided by the law.
Docs organising court with all children being summons to appear in court also.
Docs not having any consideration for eldest daughter whom is heavily pregnant and so distressed over the whole situation.
Docs suggesting that the eldest pregnant daughter have other three children at the premises and the mother leave the premises.

This has jumped from the partner being falsely accused as a pedophile, to removal of such partner, not being able to back up the information then focusing the attention to the female, to cover up their lies and corruption.

and they also said, If i am the father to your grand daughter. and even if she was, SO what?????.

We both know Im not.......personal opinions gone overboard.
Now what is your daughter thinking? what stress leave is that doing to the unborn.

Congrats DOCS, ya done it again.
Unlike my last 2 relationship that you murdered.

You have well and truly over stepped the boundary of life to all human morals thinking.

You are truly going to burn in hell.

Oops forgot to add that one in, about the issue about my Daughters baby, this shows how desperate they are on getting dirt on the family, they will for sure find something else on my family to drag us through the ground, I have had a deep and meaningful to each and every one of my children tonight, they are prepared for the worst but we are a team, family, united by love and strength and to the day we die, those fkrers are not ripping us apart.

That is a quote too!!!!!!

You know it would be cheaper to move quietly and just disappear and the usual stress with moving would be nothing compared to dealing with Docs in any state...!

This is making me entirely angry! I don't know how lawyers who have the Uni law degrees let this sort of injustice go on by telling the parents to just agree to the order and work with the Dept? The Dept doesn't work back - at all! They become like Hitler in your life and rule and control, anyone would think we were living in a communist country the way Docs is allowed to get away with their severe crimes of misconduct...

slanderous, oppressive and defaming in every sense of the word. If the average Joe in the street did this we would be charged with all of the above! Bring it on I say but you better prove it!

I've seen it in too many cases where the smooth lies of Docs workers are panicking parents, it's just amazing...but when you read the other side of the story, and compare it with everything Docs has provided, major holes become abundant! But too many parents are just too emotionally crapped and scared to muck around with their children's lives whilt the devil holds them in his hand!

I don't blame you parents at all but I'm begging the lot of you to start writing your true stories out, and send them on as letters to the magistrate. They can't throw them out, it's all filed into the files especially when you relay there are current proceedings in the court.

Sorry way off track...

LovingMyKids

You're not off track actually you're dead on track but the trouble is nobody it taking this forum seriously for the moment and this is the reason why like what I HATE GOV has said that we must try to find a way to contact everyone in the last 5 years that has had problems with child safety and if this somehow is possible or close to it you would find the government will be forced to listen.
As for the lawyer bit all i can say is you must have run out of money because after that they're are not interested and all they want to to is parm you off.

I have to agree that once you run out of money the lawyers want nothing to do with you .
I was able to get a legal aid grant for the last time i took the dept to court however it would seenm that the lawyers who will accept a legal aid client are either not very experinced or not very strong lawyers, I know that when we were in the court room my lawyer couldnt even get a full sentance out before the magistrate would cut her off and move to something else!

Give me a few more days, this Forum will be the center of attraction.

I dont know how other do react when there is a gun placed to your head. by docs.
but, while i have breathe in me, I have that one human desire to preserve that one human instinct. TO live. to stand up for the truth.

My mom was a French resistance fighter, All my growing youth, she pumped into me, Fight, fight and stand up for the truth, never let anyone or anybody, Stand over you.

Well, mom, I am doing my best.

Count update for this thread is just over 3500 and it has passed the second highest which was When Docs interview Children.

Stick to what you believe mate but remember don't do anything to break any of their laws, Use their own Laws against them.

Well that twisting has leaked to some of their friends in the public and then these Public decides to take the law into their own hands.
From the RSPCA and the townsville city council. they were taking me to court for a dog I never had. after 3 months of their crap, they dropped the chargers,thats was just last yr.

others have come to my home, people I dont even know. Pointing and calling me a kid frker. when I react as to attack, with the partner beside me, they call the cops and Im in trouble for standing up to them.
in 2004, I had 3 men come to home, and flog the shit out of me.
Tween them and DOCS, i saw no difference.
Them men, broke the law to hurt me.
DOCS used the law to hurt me.
BOTH got off scott free.
Fake cop raids,, only last yr, 3 in a space of 3 months.

Form a 15 yr old: this is the outcome, A one off has lead my life to all this.
Yet, no once, did anybody question the two before me and the one after me. Just me.

Hi,

Whilst I was reading posting from "wantsjustice" I had that sickening thought oh no I hope docs don't try and take the baby off the pregnant daughter.Truely, I woudln't put it past them.

I can't get over the amount of energy and lengths to which docs have tried to kill you guys off.

Shame on the government.

See Obama - he is saying about how he wants transparency in government. Maybe Australia will catch onto that and also really put in into place rather than lip service? But then I am sceptical.

If you saw the documents of what they are doing, ya do a back flip.
Oh! they are considering of just doing that.
The person handing WJ,the summons, couldnt find a problem with the home or the family. but,said this is her job to hand these summons out and she see's this all the time, good families,being abused BY family SA

now Family SA is branding the mother to be her a unfit mother.
this female soon to be mother is very distorted,stress'd, all this undue attraction is not doing the young fetus any good, she feels what the mother feels.
her first child should be of happy moments, Not these Attacks from dogs

couldn't agree more that the time surrounding the birth should be a happy one.

[quote=thisisgood]Hi,

Whilst I was reading posting from "wantsjustice" I had that sickening thought oh no I hope docs don't try and take the baby off the pregnant daughter.Truely, I woudln't put it past them.

I can't get over the amount of energy and lengths to which docs have tried to kill you guys off.

Shame on the government.


Yes they even asked if this was DocSnipers child. WFT!!!! what are they thinking, they served the order and am going to court on thursday. They have lied also on the documentation, my children are avid, and they are writing up a response to them, but i know it will do no good.

What order have they served? Have they taken your girl? I'm soooo sorry! F sorry, I just wish I could help in some way! I don't know how it works for SA but when you go to court, let the judge know that their documentation is scandalous and oppressive, meaning they've lied in it...

the magistrate will most likely want you to respond in writing so tell him you will as best you can with what you have. Just respond in the same format as the documentation you got from the Department addressing each false point briefly and then ask the courts you want to file it in the proceedings that's happening...

This is more of a Personal vengeance from one Karen Saunders of Family SA.

The order is a Application for a Investigation and requesting the removal of the three children Aged 12 and 2x17 twins, to be placed in custody of 42 days by the courts, The 2x17 yr olds are not the main compared to the 12 yr old. but all 3 are to be taking.
WantJustice: is then also to have No man or a relationship with a man in her home until the 12 yr old is 18.
also the normal psychologist and assessments bullshit
This was handed from Toowoomba and Townsville to Family SA, In doing this, They have open the door between two states.

Only Family SA have really done themselves justice in the conduct of yet again proven how frk'd up they really are.
This is not only a QLD issue, nor is it just Family SA, This is Australian wide. Every nook and cranny these DOGS are.
Yes, The Good one in there are leaving the job, and maybe even the Bad ones, that know their time is up..

DocSniper

I understand that you are very angry at what Family SA are doing to you and your parnter but please be careful naming the workers in your case. My understanding is that you can get into trouble for doing so. I could be wrong, but the information I have is that there is some kind of issue with it (not sure what that is). You have been through so much, I'd hate for it to get any worse for you, it that was even possible!

what else could be worse?????

I just pointed a finger to a murderer, Is all, honest.....