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#28987 Sat 29 Apr 2006 11:09:AM
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Guys,<br /><br />I've taken advantage of the Balkans Package Special to renew my previously dead-tarbs box with UBI. I have to say firstly the technical support lady was very helpful to assist me with getting my box working on the late friday night.<br /><br />My question at this point is:<br /><br />My signal strength is 60, and quality about 59.<br /><br />Can i improve this by arranging (at my expense) to install say a 90 or 120cm dish on my roof, as opposed to the existing 60 (?) cm one, so that in poor weather conditions the signal still remain strong. (i get mild pixelation too often in my opinion).<br /><br />also, will the new boxes replacing the existing tarbs ones be more sensitive and help in this scenario.<br /><br />my dish is cleaned and aligned properly and i cannot improve these values.<br />thanks in advance! <br />-s smile

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I use a 90cm myself when it rains lightly and not to hard its fine and i can watch the UBI channels without interuption but when it pours like rains real hard all signal is loss a 90cm would make a difference but when it rains real hard not much you can do about it<br /><br />hope this helps smile

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what is your signal strength and quality on a 90, and would a 120 do a lot better job or only slightly?

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i get 60 / 60 but that really isen't much of a indication as i have a friend with a 65cm that gets 70 / 60 and cuts out earlier then mine when it rains as its a 65cm <br /><br />well they say the bigger you go the better i guess a 1.2 meter will hold out much better in bad weather smile

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Sachz,<br /><br />IF your getting above the levels below then your getting perfect SL/SQ<br /><br />Signal Level: >55<br />Signal Quality: >45<br /><br />The pizelation your getting could be from the TARBS decoder itself.<br /><br />Just wait for the new UBI decoder and see if the pixelation your getting is fixed.

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sachz ur values high enough to watch ubi. don't waste ur time trying to improve it. actually ur values are better than mine.<br /><br />those pixelations u see could be due to the low picture quality of that channel. I also get awful pixelation on some turkish channels. some are so bad it feels like im watching a tv channel on the internet with a 56k dial up connection.

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The Balkan channels (MKTV, K-15 & BOM) should'nt have pixelation.

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Don't forget, it could be your LNB. The receiver resolves BER from C/N (carrier level divided by noise level) The more carrier the more C/N the more noise, the less C/N. Most installers only carry level meters and can only measure half of the equation. A bad LNB can make lots of signal AND lots of noise. Also, its not hard to line up an antenna on a side lobe that will work ok in clear skys but fall over quickly in weather.<br /><br />Also, we are at the end of the sun outage season - don't mistake poor performance for 20 min at 10:30am as your problem.

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Question to Liski,<br /><br />1/When the boxes are swapped, who owns the box. ??<br />At the moment I own the box.<br /><br />2/Most of the programs shown on Vizyon "freeze" once in a while, some more than others, is this a Vizyon feature! or is it a recording problem ??<br /><br />Thanx

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ZuluChief,<br /><br />1. The UBI decoder will remain the property of UBI WORLD TV<br /><br />2. Vizyon does have a problem sometimes but will be fixed within a week or so - new server required.

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[]ZuluChief,<br /><br />1. The UBI decoder will remain the property of UBI WORLD TV<br /><br />2. Vizyon does have a problem sometimes but will be fixed within a week or so - new server required. [/]<br /><br />Liski,<br />I know that a lot has been said about this replacement,but:<br />1) If I own a decoder why I am not 'authorized' to keep it ?<br />2) The new decoder would remain the property of UBI WORLD TV.<br /><br />I think this is the most fair thing to do ...

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joe_br,<br /><br />There will be more information closer to the 15/05.<br /><br />IF you own you can keep it!

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Interesting concept .....<br /><br />UBI subscribers spend two or three hundres dollars on a MDS STB,<br /><br />then.... UBI changes to Irdeto CA and makes the MDS box valueless<br /><br />and .... offers to replace it with a new STB that remains the property or TARBS<br /><br />So, the subscribers have lost a $300 asset and TARBS generously loans then a STB so long as they continue to pay TARBS each month?<br /><br />How do I get into this business .....

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TV_Nerd,<br /><br />Most of the UBI Subscribers already had a TARBS decoder from TARBS. If they didn't it's most cause they either sold it, threw it or pirated/hacked and no longer works.

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Will we be compensated for the $200 useless MDS box we purchased and was told it will never be superseded and will be guranteed for life (I guess that was for the life of TARBS, UBI is a different company now....right)

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ZuluCheif,<br /><br />Thats TARBS. UBI is here to stay so the system needs to be updated.<br /><br />There will not be any compensation for the TARBS decoder.

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Do we have to swop the box?<br />can;t i just get the new box and keep the old one?<br /> what use does it have to UBI??

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You get to keep your MDS box. Liski has already confirmed this in another thread.

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[]You get to keep your MDS box. Liski has already confirmed this in another thread. [/]<br /><br />mr boulos on ch72 saying they will take the tarbs box. and now everybody is confused.

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They aren't taking something I didn't buy from them. I own it and that's that.

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Has UBI started sending out boxes Liski?

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Dan04,<br /><br />No. The roll out starts May 15.

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It doesn't matter if you keep the MDS box or not. It's has no value beyond scrap metal. Too light for a boat anchor, too big to prop open a door, won't work on FTA ......<br /><br />Maybe a top ten list of things to do with your old TARBs box. Opening suggestion:<br /><br />"Put it at the back of the garage under the Beta-MAX"

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actually they do FTA without a drama. I know people using them on globecast freqs.

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if I'll own the new one, that's understandable they can take the old one. but they'll take my box and i won't own the new one!!! that's theft.<br /><br />it's like taking my rug, sofa or tv set to lend me a new box. there's no difference. i paid and own them.<br /><br />why should i get panished if you decide to change ur encription system?<br /><br />why should loyal customers give their boxes if other people ripping UBI off? go find and punish them, not us.

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[]Will we be compensated for the $200 useless MDS box we purchased and was told it will never be superseded and will be guranteed for life (I guess that was for the life of TARBS, UBI is a different company now....right) [/]<br />Hey Zulu!<br />If you want to put the blame one someone put the blame on your turkish brothers around Australia that are selling modded UBI MDS boxes. Next time you see them explain to them that you want your money back because its scum like them that has forced UBI to spend Millions in changing its encryption.

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Old TARBS boxes have serious FTA reception constraints and only work on some services. Lat year, when SELECTV had TV Chile up on the PanGlobal transponder (24k) on PAS-8, the TARBS STBs wouldn't work FTA because there were too many video PIDs (a built in s/w limitation).<br /><br />Never think that this is a usefull FTA STB - maybe pot-hole filler?

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TARBS/UBI MDS boxes are designed ONLY for conditional access use.

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Another use for them is mount a small LCD screen on the top of it and use it as a signal meter works well for a spare one i have all u need to just a extension cord for power and ur set for when u want to use it wink

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lol. mdsmeter® by lazer<br />u should start collecting tarbs boxes from ebay to get into the busines :P

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[]lol. mdsmeter® by lazer<br />u should start collecting tarbs boxes from ebay to get into the business [/]<br /><br />mdsmeter® by lazer Patent Pending... :tsup LOL hahaha

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A new statement being made by Mike Boulos on CH. 72 has him clearly stating that when a licensed installer is sent to your house, to give you your new box, they will TAKE your old TARBS box. A box mind you I never purchased from UBI, but from a friend.<br /><br />Liski, we already have you on record a while back clarifying that we have every right to keep our old TARBS box. Should we assume that Mike has got it wrong???<br /><br />Also, what news about the swap, wasn't there meant to be an update from the 15th May?<br /><br /><br />RATLSNAKE

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I got a call today from UBI the installer is coming on Thursday to install the new box <br /><br />You can keep the box if you want and if you dont want it they will take it away so you can do what you want with it ;)<br /><br />So people should start getting calls soon as i did smile

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RATLSNAKE,<br /><br />I'll make it clear for you. If you must keep the MDS STB for whatever reason you can but you will sign the Work Order stating that you are keeping it.<br /><br />UBI prefer that they take it so that they can recycle it the proper way.<br /><br />UBI Installers have started to contact customer today to schedule them in for the upgrade.

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lol I'm guessing we have to sign so installers aren't accused of stealing?<br /><br />Anyways, is there any word confirming that installers will be sent to all homes, not just Metro/Capital Cities?<br /><br />RATLSNAKE

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RATLSNAKE,<br /><br />If there is a UBI Installer in the area they will install it if the they are in an area were is no UBI Installer then the STB will be posted.

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[]RATLSNAKE,<br /><br />I'll make it clear for you. If you must keep the MDS STB for whatever reason you can but you will sign the Work Order stating that you are keeping it.<br /><br />UBI prefer that they take it so that they can recycle it the proper way.<br />[/]<br /><br />Recycle it? most likely shipped to PBS in Fiji..

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[][]RATLSNAKE,<br /><br />I'll make it clear for you. If you must keep the MDS STB for whatever reason you can but you will sign the Work Order stating that you are keeping it.<br /><br />UBI prefer that they take it so that they can recycle it the proper way.<br />[/]<br /><br />Recycle it? most likely shipped to PBS in Fiji.. [/]<br /><br />It's a way of recycling isnt it?

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I personally think that PBS will prob change to IR2 aswell - so apsattv they won't be sent to PBS.

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Has anyone else received a phone call?

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