Yes Phil, you're %100 right about the friggen Humax boxes spread around like a fire bomb with all goodies but ended with a big drama when Foxtel replaced the encryption with Ird2. They're still good boxes for FTA and others (Optus / Aurara). Its just a bit sad/funny, how many people have lost heaps of money with Dish/LNB adjustments, additional installation of Dish/LNB + Switch, then re-allignment and so on..