Nothing happens at TARBS/UBI without Mr.B's approval. As Phil conceeded in an earlier posting, he led the team that secured Mega & Alpha in Greece. This is Mr.B's train set - there is no doubt. I don't know how ASIC and the ATO let him get away with it. Go broke, rip off your subs, owe your suppiers millions of dollar ($40m to PAS alone) and start up again 10 months latter under a different name - then tell your former sunscriber "trust us" ....... wow, more arse than class.<br /><br />I'm curious to see how the Irdeto change over will go. It's a much better system than MDS, but how much collateral damage will be inflicted along the way. We hear that TARBS/UBI are using a third party CA and not even intalling their own system (the cost of an Irdeto headend is insignificant compared to the viewing cards & STBs) ...... We have our CA / Smart Card / STB stuff sorted out, I know how much in involved in making this stuff work ....... should be an interesting spectator sport.