just seen this link.thanks! yes they have budget prices,but not much range of equipment to select from online.suppose if you requested a product not listed,they may source and price match the competition,any past experience on that point?as to the sat.reciever described online seems to have a Strong,S, logo on front facia panel,must be a reciever in Strongs product range,will check their webpage!as to the encrypt system,must be some Xcam onboard?wonder on flash support and software updating on this feature?cheers!