</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ew_289:<br /><strong> I think what Phil is trying to say is the Vehicle only became out of control after it hit the bitumen not when It was half on the bitumen and half on the gravel. But again he is saying the tyre dug in that means the walls of the tyre folded in on the loaded side that gave that tyre extra grip. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">100% correct.<br />This is what i'm trying to say. The 4WD was going in a straight line not out of control doing around 70 to 80 K, it was simple!!! the two drivers side wheels were on the tar, the two passenger side wheel where in the gravel and he decided to go back on the tar to get back into the lane, we see this all the time a car making a right hand turn so someone goes on the left hand side of the car putting two wheels on the gravel and you come back on the road simple but in this case when he came back on the road the car swerved hard to the middle of the road causing it to lose control. Again Super high tyres, a vehicle with a high centre of gravity and bingo you have a roll over.<br />I could not see any car losing control this easy, again not this easy!!. All cars behave different in different conditions, and I can still see in my dreams how that front passenger tyre behaved which no doubt caused him to lose it so easy. I estimated around 70.80 ks he might have even be going slowler as this section of the road is tight and my opinion 60 k is to fast.