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Now before the UBI fan club gets wound up. This is what I would expect to happen..<br /><br />B3 to go from 152E to 160E, service transfer to take place all ex B1 to shift to B3(160e). Test for a day or 2 then B1 move to 152E (old b3 slot)this would mean all services on B3 would be out for at a minimum 2 weeks.<br /><br />There is mention of another sat unnamed being a possible backup but I totally doubt that happening.<br /><br />INTERVIEW: NZ Sky TV Hunting For Back-Up Satellite<br /><br /><br />From http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/050531/15/3srpm.html<br /><br />WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Sky Network Television Ltd. (SKY.NZ) hopes to this week announce a deal which will ensure that its service faces minimal disruption if its current satellite, which is now running on a back-up processor, fully fails. <br /><br />The New Zealand-based pay television operator has been reviewing its options since its service was twice interrupted last week due to the failure of part of a satellite operated by Optus Networks Pty Ltd., a subsidiary of Singapore Telecommunications Ltd. (T48.SG). <br /><br />The satellite problem comes just before the British and Irish Lions rugby team is scheduled to play Saturday the first match of its six-week long tour of New Zealand. <br /><br />The high-profile tour is expected to boost Sky TV's advertising revenue and subscriber numbers because it has the rights to screen the matches live. <br /><br />The satellite, which provides Sky TV's service to the bulk of its subscribers, is now reliant on a back-up control processor which kicked into action when the primary one failed. If the back-up processor fails, most of Sky TV's subscribers would be cut off. <br /><br />Jason Hollingworth, chief financial officer at Sky TV, said the company is looking at various options to cover itself in the event that the back-up satellite processor fails. <br /><br />"We're concerned, but we've got plans to recover," Hollingworth told Dow Jones Newswires in an interview Tuesday. <br /><br />"We're hoping by the end of this week to announce something," he added. <br /><br />Sky TV's options include moving another satellite into the orbit of the existing one, which would likely take a week, meaning that the company's service could potentially be interrupted for that length of time. <br /><br />Or Sky TV could take its service from a satellite in a different location. <br /><br />The company favors moving a satellite, as the other option would likely require it to realign the dishes that its subscribers use to receive the service, a process which could be time-consuming and costly. <br /><br />Hollingworth said if a worst-case scenario eventuated and the satellite failed with no immediate back-up, the Lions matches would likely screen live on free-to-air television in New Zealand through CanWest MediaWorks (NZ) Ltd. (MWL.NZ). <br /><br />Sky TV Confident Of Retaining Signal Strength, Capacity <br /><br />But Hollingworth noted that history suggests back-up processors on satellites can last for years. <br /><br />He said that Sky TV's research shows that about 36 satellites like the one now providing its service exist, and of them about seven have moved to back-up computers in the past. The shortest time a back-up facility lasted was "I think 16 months," while four are still operating on back-up, Hollingworth said. <br /><br />"That made us feel quite good, although I guess you don't know with these things," he added. <br /><br />Sky TV is currently talking to Optus about how to get access to another one its satellites. <br /><br />Optus already has customers using the other satellites, and must reach agreement with them before a final deal with Sky TV can be announced, he added. <br /><br />Sky TV has also been approached by other satellite operators who have offered to move one of their satellites into position for the company. <br /><br />"We're trying to work out the best satellite to fit our requirements that will get there the quickest, that will cost us the least," Hollingworth said. <br /><br />Goldman Sachs JBWere said in a research note late last week that Sky TV could suffer a "degradation of signal strength and reduced capacity" if it moves another satellite into the existing one's orbit. <br /><br />But Hollingworth said "that depends on what satellite we move", and added "if it's the one that we're hoping to be able to move with Optus then the signal strength would be exactly the same." <br /><br />Goldman Sachs JBWere also noted that costs associated with moving a satellite could "arguably" reach NZ$10 million or more, however it added that Optus may meet part of the cost. <br /><br />Hollingworth said he doesn't expect "huge costs" to be incurred by Sky TV. <br /><br />Sky TV's satellite uncertainty won't last far into 2006 because of an earlier agreement it signed to purchase additional capacity on two new satellites from Optus. The first is scheduled to be completed in early 2006 and the second satellite 18 months later.

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and the latino package is due to be encrypted on the first of june...well well thre is nothing we can do...

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Quote <br />" Optus already has customers using the other satellites, and must reach agreement with them before a final deal with Sky TV can be announced, he added. "

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Yes Lazer thats is right what would happen is Optus/Insurance would have to cough up "costs" related to switching UBI and Globecast off for 2 weeks. E.G refunding customers for lack of services.<br /><br />Or paying for temp capacity use on other sats.<br /><br />messy situation, but i did mention this in another thread last week. Mind you some thought i was having a dig at UBI.<br /><br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

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Rest assured that if Optus tries to shift B3 to B1 and then shift B1 to B3 orbital locations it will be a lawyers-at-ten-paces fest.<br /><br />Facts are that B1 and B3 are identical, they both have identical SCPs (satellite control processors) on board. There is nothing to say that the SCP on B3 will not fail tomorrow - chances are more likely for this now that B1 primary SCP has failed. B1 was launched may months before B3 so the probability of B3 failure is now higher.<br /><br />The SCP failure is brought about by a phenonomen called "dendritic growth". Circuit boards are normally covered with a sealant before integration into the satellite. If the sealant is not total, any exposed solder will, under near vacuum conditions of space, start to grow tiny whiskers (or dendrites) of the metal tin. (tin is one of the metals in solder). These whiskers grow in a random direction and sooner or later have grown near to the ground pin/plane on the circuit board. This results in an instantaneous plasma discharge, causes an extremely high current flow which causes the fuse supplying power to the SCP to blow. Bye bye SCP. <br />The ground controllers at Belrose then have to command the standby SCP into service. Hopefully it works, as it's fuse could have been blown for the same reason.<br />The SCP status is not telemetered to the ground control so fingers crossed the standby works!!<br /><br />Take a look at a posting to do with "problems for UBI" on the subject of satellite failure.<br /><br />Keep the faith.....

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"Rest assured that if Optus tries to shift B3 to B1 and then shift B1 to B3 orbital locations it will be a lawyers-at-ten-paces fest."<br /><br />It will be in the fine print, under emergency contractual obligations.<br /><br />"Facts are that B1 and B3 are identical, they both have identical SCPs (satellite control processors) on board. There is nothing to say that the SCP on B3 will not fail tomorrow - chances are more likely for this now that B1 primary SCP has failed. B1 was launched may months before B3 so the probability of B3 failure is now higher."<br /><br />B1 is now operating on backup, but has the most major customer SKY NZ. A major rugby series is due to start this week Lions VS Al Blacks, Sky Nz has put millions into promoting it as have the advertisers. They stand to lose even more $$$$$$$$$ if the satellite fails in mid tour.<br /><br />The amount of users affected in swapping B3 for B1 is a piddling amount.<br /><br />Yes Tin whiskers is the most likely problem. Interesting Satfacts had an article about this very thing a few months ago. Maybe they knew something eh?

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by apsattv:<br /><strong> Interesting Satfacts had an article about this very thing a few months ago. Maybe they knew something eh? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think its pretty safe to say they know nothing. Never have , never will.

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Maybe their name should be "Satguesses" !! Ha ha.

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Hummmmm interesting. I think optus will have to pay plenty of compensation one way or another.

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That is what you buy insurance for, covered in the high transponder rental fees!

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The Latest..<br />Lions live on TV3 if Sky signal fails <br /><br /><br />From http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3301710a1869,00.html<br /><br /><br />Can't afford Sky but want to watch the Lions live? Your wish may be granted if a piece of equipment in space fails. <br /><br />The broadcaster is scrambling to make sure transmission of the Lions tour will go without a hitch, after problems with the satellite that serves 500,000 of its subscribers. <br /><br />The satellite's main processor, the computer that runs the satellite, failed last week, and it is running on a backup. If that fails, the satellite will be useless and most Sky subscribers will lose their signal. <br /><br />With the Lions tour due to kick off tomorrow, Sky chief executive John Fellet said if the worst happened games would be broadcast live – and free – on TV3. <br /><br />Sky was looking at its broadcast options should the satellite's backup processor fail. Its most likely choice would be to bring a new satellite into orbit over New Zealand. <br /><br />This would depend on how long it would take for the satellite's owner, Optus, to make alternative arrangements for its existing users. It could take anything from a week to a month. <br /><br />So, in the unthinkable scenario of equipment failure just as the whistle blows to kick off the first test, Mr Fellet said coverage could resume on TV3 within a matter of minutes. This arrangement was a long-standing one as part of the delayed coverage rights held by TV3. <br /><br />If the thought of losing even a few minutes of coverage makes you break out in a sweat, Mr Fellet offers reassurance, saying the chances of the backup failing in the next month are slim. <br /><br />There are 36 satellites of the same make in space. One has had its main and backup processors fail at the same time, indicating a satellite fault. <br /><br />Of the other seven main processor failures, the shortest time for the backup to remain working was 16 months.

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And more<br /><br />NZ Sky TV Says Has Secured Back-Up Satellite<br /><br /><br />From http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/050603/15/3stj1.html<br /><br />WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Sky Network Television Ltd. (SKY.NZ) said Friday it<br />has secured access to a back-up satellite in case its current satellite<br />fails.<br /><br />The New Zealand-based pay television operator said in a statement that its<br />plan means it will have access within 10 weeks to a back-up satellite with<br />sufficient power to continue operating its digital television service.<br /><br />Sky TV said last week that it had been advised by Optus Networks Pty Ltd., a<br />subsidiary of Singapore Telecommunications Ltd. (T48.SG), that the satellite<br />its service operates from had moved to a back-up processor following the<br />failure of its primary control processor.<br /><br />Sky TV has been seeking access to a back-up satellite because most of its<br />subscribers would be cut off if the existing satellite's second processor<br />failed.

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Well looks like battle plans are being drawn up... Actually using B3 as a replacement for B1 has a number of problems, least of which is that B3 is not without its little problems. Anyone taking a look at transponder 10 will notice a high level clean carrier at centre frequency which appears to be modulating the transponder noise floor in a slow-code manner. This is because B3 has problems with its telemetry beacons and this transponder arrangement is a way of getting the satellite telemetry back to Belrose control. <br />This means straight away that there is one less transponder for use. Explains why itinerant space on B3 is short - with UBI taking half of transponder 11, and transponder 10 not avail. Be even less space when UBI take over the whole of transponder 10.<br />The VSAT networks using B3 as well would create massive problems if they were interrupted. Some Government agencies use these services as a prime communications medium. I am sure that the Government would not understand if their services were interrupted in favour of a few rugby matches !!<br />All in all, the folk at Optus have a few problems on their hands.<br />Interesting to see how things finally pan out.

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Here's a newer report!<br />Sky Network TV (SKY) <br />SATELLITE PROBLEMS OVERCOME <br /><br /><br />From http://www.unlimited.co.nz/unlimite...nDocument&More=Sharetrack&Click=<br /><br />Key points <br />* SKY's primary satellite control process (SCP) failed last Wednesday, causing it to switch its service to the back-up SCP, which was completed successfully.<br />* We believe there is a low risk that the back-up SCP will fail but this has increased SKY's vulnerability.<br />* Under a worst case scenario the failure of the back-up SCP could cost SKY up to $40m or 11cps. Our fair value for SKY is unchanged at $7.02 and re-iterate our BUY recommendation.<br /><br />Our Analysis<br /><br />Optus B1 SCP Fails, Changeover to Back-up SCP Successfully Implemented<br /><br />* SKY advised the market today that the primary satellite control processor (SCP) on the Optus B1 Satellite failed on<br />Wednesday, which caused it to implement its backup SCP. <br />* The backup SCP was implemented without any problems and we understand the downtime for the changeover was only 7 minutes. <br />* The key issue from here is that SKY does not have a contingent plan in place if the current SCP was to fail in the near-term. We believe this is a low probability outcome but still an uncomfortable position to be in.<br />* There are 36 identical Boeing 601 series satellites around the globe. Over the past few years there have been 7 instances where the primary SCP failed. In all but 1 case (Direct TV) the back-up SCP was implemented successfully. Of the 6 successful backup SCPs, the shortest period the backup SCP failed was 16 months, with the average life of the back-up SCP being around 4 years. This highlights low risk of failure for SKY's back-up SCP in the near-term. <br />* SKY is currently negotiating with Optus to secure a further back-up satellite to bridge the risk between now and the launch of the new Optus D1 satellite due to be completed in January/February 2006.<br />* The most likely contingent plan would be for Optus to identify a satellite that has spare capacity, which if required could be moved into the same location as the existing B1 Satellite. We understand moving a satellite would take about one week and SKY would incur the costs to move the existing clients from the replacement satellite plus the lost revenue from its subscribers and peripheral revenue.<br />* Realigning the dish on the houses is not an option, given it would take at least a year to implement the change and the new D1 satellite is due to be installed within 9 months.<br />* In an absolute worst case scenario, we believe the total cost to SKY would be a maximum of 1-month of lost revenue, equivalent to $40m or 11cps. Based on the experience to date of the other 6 examples where a back-up SCP has been implemented we believe this is a very low probability outcome.<br />* While the failure of the primary SCP has heighten the risk of SKY incurring a major disruption to its digital service given the potential delay and cost to implement a back-up service, we believe this risk can be managed to reduce the cost to less than $40m. SKY is exposed to this heighten risk until the new Optus D1 satellite is installed in early 2006.

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Optus will not shift B3 to replace B1.<br />There are other satellites that are available under contract to be used for restoration of a failed satellite. This is the option that Optus will take. No amount of "hexing " by parties with obvious alliances will make B3 shift.

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I don't know where Apsattv gets the notion that B3 will move to B1 position.<br /><br />Yes the reports states that B1 has a problem but it doesn't say that B3 will replace B1. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <br /><br />Who gives a shit about the BL? We kicked their ass when they were last here. By the way we had both satellite processors going <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

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"There are other satellites that are available under contract to be used for restoration of a failed satellite. This is the option that Optus will take."<br /><br />more info required! i don't know of any in orbit spares up there that have same config as B1. Fantasy sat maybe? <br /><br />If you read below, it says they have access within 10 weeks to a backup satellte. All other reports say that SKY NZ will NOT move to another orbit location as that will require 500000 re-points.<br /><br />WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Sky Network Television Ltd. (SKY.NZ) said Friday it<br />has secured access to a back-up satellite in case its current satellite<br />fails.<br /><br />The New Zealand-based pay television operator said in a statement that its<br />plan means it will have access within 10 weeks to a back-up satellite with<br />sufficient power to continue operating its digital television service.

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Apsattv read this: http://www.spaceandtech.com/digest/flash-articles/flash2000-021.shtml<br /><br />AssureSat Buys Two Loral Satellites<br /> <br />AssureSat, Inc., El Segundo, has awarded a contract to Space Systems/Loral, a subsidiary of Loral Space & Communications, to build two high-powered, specially designed satellites. AssureSat will launch the in-orbit backup protection service for the world's geostationary fixed satellite service (FSS) communications satellite operators. The two new satellites are scheduled to be launched in 2002. <br /><br />An inoperative satellite can deprive the operator of revenue equal to two to five times the cost of a satellite. Satellite insurance can cover the cost of replacing lost hardware, meanwhile an in-orbit operational backup can provide a way for a satellite operator to retain customers, protecting both revenues and customer relationships. Once in orbit, the AssureSat satellites will be able to provide backup protection to most of the world’s geostationary satellite operators by quickly moving a satellite to appropriate orbital slots to take over the communications tasks of malfunctioning spacecraft or those whose launches have failed, thus insuring service for the operator's customers. Based upon historic satellite launch and in-orbit failure rates, an estimated average of two or three launch and one to two in-orbit failures occur annually, with few options for recovery. <br /><br />The unique design of these spacecraft will allow them to operate on all three ITU region frequency plans, and the antennae will be steerable in flight to offer variable footprint coverage in both the C and Ku frequency bands. The AssureSat satellites will each carry 36 C-band transponders and 36 Ku-band transponders. Total satellite power will be 10 kW at end of life. Loral has begun limited production, with full production to begin upon AssureSat's completion of the required additional financing. The spacecraft will be based on Space System/Loral's three-axis, body-stabilized 1300 bus. <br /><br />Under separate agreements, Loral Skynet, a fixed satellite services operator and also a subsidiary of Loral Space & Communications, will become an AssureSat customer once service becomes available, giving Skynet the ability to provide a back-up option to its many valuable customers. In addition, Loral Skynet will provide telemetry, tracking, and control for the AssureSat fleet from its Hawley, Pennsylvania, facility. <br /><br />The satellite manufacturing agreement and the two Loral Skynet agreements are contingent upon AssureSat's completion of necessary financing. No further information on contracts terms and conditions have been released.<br /><br />AssureSat, Inc., shareholders include Securitas Capital, a global equity investment company funded by Swiss Reinsurance Company and Credit Suisse Group, and SpaceVest, L.P., a venture capital fund which makes equity investments solely in the space industry. <br /><br /><br />Looks like there is a company that provide satellite backup after all. AssureSat.. <br /><br />Fantasy... Next time do a Google search..

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Big Chief, it didn't happen both sats were canceld before they even launched.<br /><br /><br />http://www.skyrocket.de/space/index_frame.htm?http://www.skyrocket.de/space/doc_sdat/assuresat-1.htm

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Big Chief, what Mr Apsattv says is quite right. The AssureSat group was formed and even issued orders for two satellites but problems when the call for cash came about - not all wanted to pay up so the group fizzled out (pardon the pun. Optus was supposed to be part of this group.<br /><br />Be very interesting to see what the K1w1s end up with as a replacement satellite. They have certainly put the acid on Optus to provide a replacement, and to date operators using B3 have not been approached/advices about B3 replacing B1. We will soon see.<br /><br />Of course, the K1w1s could opt out all together and do an orderly dual feed/repoint to an alternate satellite provider. There must be fine print in their contract somewhere that they could invoke and say "no" to Optus.<br />All will be revealed soon...........

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Yeah gonna be interesting!<br /><br />tic tick tick ...<br /><br />Sky Do have dual feed I think they have started installing on new installs but its for 156E+160E. Which will be fun if NZlsat turns up in the middle at 158E in a few years time.<br /><br />You don't do a re-point with D1 due in 9 months not with 500000 dishes to re-point. <br /><br />Wonder how many Fixed installs B3 has in total?<br /><br />Would be lucky to have %10 of that

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Its all very well counting TV dishes and making a judgement on the impact of a repoint, but that one-eyed view is totally flawed. Despite what TV people think - TV does not rule the world. There are other users of B3 that would be really pissed off if their service was interrupted. Certain law enforcement agencies in Australia would be really impressed if all their VSATs (many hundreds of them) went down, so that individuals in NZ could watch their country getting thrashed by the Lions. There are also a number of other governmant and private networks that rely on data services via B3. They rely on B3 as their prime means of comminications.<br />Not an easy decision is it.

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Scenario:<br /><br />B3 also develops processor problem<br />Sky NZ (rejected also by Apsattv) says no way hosey to B3 option<br />Sky NZ (proposed by Apstatv) now wants C1 to replace B1<br />Foxtel & Austar (1.6 million) customers gets pissed off because now they can't watch the BL's beat the AB's<br />Telstra & Optus reports telephone exchange meltdown <br />Public demonstrations in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane<br />Both trans tasman governments intervene because of the public outcry<br />The NZ and Australia government stops diplomatic relations<br />Murdoch sells his portion of Sky NZ and pulls out all his programming content<br />The refugees are given PR while the 500000 kiwi's in Australia gets deported<br />The few Australians in NZ get deported for spying<br /><br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

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Australia blows up New Zealand <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

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Imagine - all this grief over a processor that didn't shave. Hahahahaha <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

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Throw in this one.. St1 at 88E to be moved to 160E<br />very doubtfull but you never know

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> Australia blows up New Zealand <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Remember!! NZ has no air Force dear Helen sold it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> Australia blows up New Zealand <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Remember!! NZ has no air Force dear Helen sold it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">We dont have any guns , Johnny banned them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

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SKY NZ always had issues with their uplink ,from MT Wellington. Whenever the weather in this part of Auckland got bad everyone on satellite would lose pictures because the uplink satellite dish was not up to the job. <br />Its mainly because they are a cheap company. They cut corners on everything to save a few bucks , including making their staff work terrible hours with no union or anyone to represent them. <br />I think if they did lose their satellite , then it would open the market for a decent competitor

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(OFF Topic a little)See its a master plan!!! Jackboot Jonnie Coward whats to remove Unions to bring us in line like other countries. I come from a very strong union background where I have been a delegate for many years and if it wasn't for the electrical trade union, I would not be where I am now in any way. We had great wages, great conditions and a very happy and productive working environment. Mind you, I was getting paid as an electrical tradesman over $60,000 a year with a little after hours calls back in 1990, with a company car, they paid my home phone expenses, a list too long to type what goodies we used to get, 4 weeks annual leave and being a government job, we were the first in Australia to get this thing called superannuation, yes finally when they made us all redundant, it would have been cheaper if they had shot us than pay us out and the stupidity was not only they got rid of us, contractors couldn't handle the work and bought us back as consultants at $55.00 an hour plus. I spent 28 years working for the government and loved every bit of it. Now, because we were so well off, the majority of us had our mortgages paid off and had no debts whatsoever, we could afford to go on strike, actually 4 weeks annual leave wasn't enough, so the odd week or two strike was a plus for us. Nobody cared about the money they lost. But in all the years I was there, there were very few strikes over money. They mainly were over personal matters like one of the tradesmen came to work drunk, one of the workers always came to work late or not at all when he was needed. The management sacked them and I got them reinstated, mainly because there is always a reason behind this and there always was, like the mans wife kicked him out of his house when he was in the right so he went to alcohol. But I always believed in my Maltese/Arabic background to find mud on a boss because if he uses unfair advantages to remove a worker, I will use unfair advantages to remove the boss. See, Johnnie Howard wants to introduce and will introduce these draconian legislations on July the 1st for unfair dismissal and industrial relations changes. Up here in Queensland, very few are in unions and they all are being sodomised, yes the boss orders them to work on the weekend at normal pay otherwise you will get the sack. The list is a mile long of the dirty tactics they use to intimidate their workers. People who know me know that I was responsible in Sydney for a company to lose a 32 million dollar contract because of dirty tactics. I always believe in finding mud against a company and a boss, something thats good enough to cause a company to lose a multi million contract by failing to meet it. Yes, I was shit on, yes they bought me in the office and yes I was sacked on the spot, but did anyone ever see that police series called Columbo? when he walks away, but then comes back to drop some more evidence. When I was sacked on the spot in the office, for complaining against the company I worked with which were breaking safety issues, I walked out of that office with my cheque where there were 4 people in there. I walked out the door a few metres and I did a Columbo and I walked back in. To their dismay I said very clearly "BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT I MIGHT LET YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABOUT TO LOSE YOUR CONTRACT". I laughed at them, walked out and closed the door. Within 14 days, this company lost the contract and they were all out on their asses and I enjoyed it too as some of the workers which I tried to help because they were doing unsafe high voltage switching were the ones who were responsible for stabbing me in the back. Now, I won't tell you what nationality they were, but they were very similar to a 'DR DEATH' we have got here in Queensland.<br />Boring, Jackboot Johnnie Howard wanted to remove firearms as the master plan, he used Port Arthur as an excuse to remove firearms from peoples property. The only thing that stops him from being a dictator is unions and a rebellious population armed with firearms. We all see what happened in America back in 1975-1980 when all government bodies were removed and privatised, the new private companies took over the employees, screwed them for wages and any other conditions they could get their hands on, but America being different and plenty of guns, the amount of bosses who were shot dead in the first 12 months of privatisation was unrealistic. The most dangerous place to work for and be a boss in America was the postal service, at one stage they were shooting a boss a week. Now, of course we are not as mad here is Australia (not yet) but peoples anger will bring it this way and when you hear what I have seen up here that a manager at Centrelink that has a brother that owns a factory and the factory owner gets workers from Centrelink then sacks them (finds any excuse because he doesn't want this god worker to go past his probation period). So, what happens is he continually recycles workers and removes them, good or bad before the probation period finishes. By doing this, the company saves mega dollars and just think, in the new legislation thats about to hit in the next few weeks, Howard has doubled the probation time so you will be able to be screwed up to 6 months now and one week before your six months is up, they sack you and find someone else straight out of Centrelink. Now, we won't talk about the electrical sales shop up here that was on A Current Affair under a very similar circumstance as above, where the shop was giving away DVD players and small TV's to employment agencies for finding workers and recycling them as above and Johnnie Howard said on TV that that was perfectly ok. <br />I pity whats going to happen after July the first and maybe I should inject everyone in this country with a bit of Maltese/Arabic blood, so you can stand up for your rights, because what is going to happen is companies are going to make workers turn against themselves and they want this.


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