A few years ago my younger brother had his new wagon stolen by a young 15 year old thug and burnt to the ground and it was not insured. The kid was caught and typically the courts they gave him a slap over the wrist, he laughted at us and got off. 7 years later this scumbag still lives in the area, he is married and he has his own kids now. He is now a respectable citizen but he had his car stolen and burnt to the ground. Well you should see and hear the fuss he has caused about his car being stolen, but when this dickhead was young it was a different story.<br /><br />The reason why I bring this up.<br /><br />If you read on the austech info forum you will see that dream media has offered a large reward on dobbing in of people selling the Chinese version of the Dreambox which is 95% identical to the original and does all the same tricks for half the price.<br />So what we have here is dream media complaining about copyright infringements but what I can't understand is that we all know the real reason for dreamboxes, we all know that 90% of them are used to steal pay tv around the world and what we have now is someone stealing from dream media and like the guy above chucking tantrums because his car was stolen they don't like it.<br />You will always notice this and only last night I watched a DVD and there again was the perfect example. A gang going around killing others but when others come back and kill their family members well what a fuss, typical mafia movie.<br />I think that Foxtels and co will be laughing their heads off in one way but in another crying because of a cheaper variant of the dreambox 500 is available.<br />I wonder If dream media now are regretting that they had the original dreamboxes built in China, and now will we see the new 7025 copied and sold for less than half the price of an original. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

They are quite entitled to be pissed off in my opinion , they designed it , wrote the software for it.....why wouldnt they be upset ?<br /><br />Your example has nothing to do with the topic in my opinion. You can buy a DVD writer , are you a crook because you own one ?

I can see where ew_289 is comming from but you are forgetting one thing, the dreambox is LEGAL.<br /><br />Are you going to tell me you never done something wrong in your life, I bet every time you drive you break the law at least a few times.<br /><br />I would be pissed if someone stole my idea, or product that was legal.<br /><br />mixo

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mixo:<br /><strong> I can see where ew_289 is comming from but you are forgetting one thing, the dreambox is LEGAL.<br /><br />Are you going to tell me you never done something wrong in your life, I bet every time you drive you break the law at least a few times.<br /><br />I would be pissed if someone stole my idea, or product that was legal.<br /><br />mixo </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">China sucks in principle.<br />And its the thiefs stealing from the thieves and no way a Dreambox is worth $1000, have you seen whats inside them, Nothing!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> Maybe they need a little extra for R&D but do the Dreambox manafactures supply all the images and cams for them NO!

Its China they do it to everybody not just Dreambox, they also are trying to produce a similiar box for UBI ask appsatv he was talking about them in his chat room. Welcome to the real world Dreambox manafactires and maybe one day all the countries will gang up againt that yellow eyed country and do something about them screwing the world.<br />By the way I work in the textile industry do I have to tell you more what the slant eyes have done to us.<br />You will never stop them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" />

i was in the clothing manufacturing as well. they destroyed this industry.<br /><br />I now say if you cant beat them join them, and now i buy anything chinese so to piss off our goverment who really does not care one bit about our manufacturing industries.<br /><br />I cant wait till their cheap cars arive, so they can **** up holden and ford.<br /><br />I'm sure you get my drift<br /><br />mixo

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mixo:<br /><strong> i was in the clothing manufacturing as well. they destroyed this industry.<br /><br />I now say if you cant beat them join them, and now i buy anything chinese so to piss off our goverment who really does not care one bit about our manufacturing industries.<br /><br />I cant wait till their cheap cars arive, so they can **** up holden and ford.<br /><br />I'm sure you get my drift<br /><br />mixo </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well said mixo<br />Howard is gutless so is his mate Bush. They all should take on China at there own game, the country China smells with dirty politics, didn't they deliberatlely devalue there money so they can screw the World.<br />They're selling those cheap DM 500 in Indonesia and coming into Aus (not saying).

I read something about this on austech, well Dream Media get into the queue for campanies that want to sue China and any of its hangers on's<br />This is a problem World wide.

I have nothing against any people, saying that I must state the Chinese know how to screw over every business aspect once they get themselves into that line of business.<br /><br />Clothes, Hardware, Digital Media and many others.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Meatball:<br /><strong><br />...Howard is gutless so is his mate Bush. They all should take on China at there own game... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Who in the world, would "take on China" with population of over 1.3 BILLION !? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> <br />Let them compete with (overpriced) Australian products and we'll get some tough competition.<br />If they can make a DREAMBOX and sell it for less than half price (and earn profit), imagine what's the actually cost of making one DREAMBOX (10% of RRP, or less?)

australia stuff is not overpriced.once you factor in our 500 plus wages compares to the 2 dollars wages, and all the add ons that go to employ an autralia and we cannot be competitive in price with china.<br /><br />I buy chinese because i am pissed off at our goverment(and it was the HAWKE LABOUR that started it) killed our industry.<br /><br />The only thing i dont do is buy name brands that are made in china and want an aussie price for.<br /><br />I would be enjoying there prices now because in a few years you will be paying JAP prices for their goods, and australia would have lost all those manufacturers and their skilled workforce, and then watch our balance of payments go thru the roof, and we will end up like argentina!<br /><br />thats my 2 cents worth<br /><br />mixo

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Meatball:<br /><strong><br />...Howard is gutless so is his mate Bush. They all should take on China at there own game... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Who in the world, would "take on China" with population of over 1.3 BILLION !? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> <br />Let them compete with (overpriced) Australian products and we'll get some tough competition.<br />If they can make a DREAMBOX and sell it for less than half price (and earn profit), imagine what's the actually cost of making one DREAMBOX (10% of RRP, or less?) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Do you know that a high percentage of Chinese workers work for Food only? forget the $2 per week<br />for wages. Could you imagine one day if a war breaks out?, the first thing that stops is the imports and countries like Australia and others will be stuffed because we don't even make our own toilet paper anymore. Those who watch Cspan whould have seen the Documentary on the real reason why China is screwing its population, so its communist Government then can screw the world.<br />We all like the cheap shit that comes from China but one day we all are going to pay for it dearly.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong>...the real reason why China is screwing its population, so its communist Government then can screw the world...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">China is screwing it's population? YES, because of "ONE CHILD POLICY" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br />I think you've heard about it.<br /><br />Phil, don't get me wrong, but you've been saying how our cars are overpriced... The similar car with the same engine (Chev 5.7 V-8) in U.S. costs<br />$20.000 less than Australian car... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> <br /><br />If Australian government open it's automotive market, Holden & Ford will need to put their prices down to match U.S. imports. Pure competition.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong>...the real reason why China is screwing its population, so its communist Government then can screw the world...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">China is screwing it's population? YES, because of "ONE CHILD POLICY" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br />I think you've heard about it.<br /><br />Phil, don't get me wrong, but you've been saying how our cars are overpriced... The similar car with the same engine (Chev 5.7 V-8) in U.S. costs<br />$20.000 less than Australian car... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> <br /><br />If Australian government open it's automotive market, Holden & Ford will need to put their prices down to match U.S. imports. Pure competition. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"></font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Phil, don't get me wrong, but you've been saying how our cars are overpriced... The similar car with the same engine (Chev 5.7 V-8) in U.S. costs<br />$20.000 less than Australian car... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> Don't I know this! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by P Debono:<br /><strong>...the real reason why China is screwing its population, so its communist Government then can screw the world...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">China is screwing it's population? YES, because of "ONE CHILD POLICY" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br />I think you've heard about it.<br /> <br />[/QUOTE] Yes but you must remember that China has no value over human life for them if a million dies who cares because the Government won't give a shit. Life is cheap in China and they don't give a shit about us or the rest of the world either. Who else would have their lagest Satellite launching pad only two Kmls away from a heavily populated area and when one of its launchs failed and the rocket made a U turn a whole city was wipped out and the death toll was never know, Again life is cheap who cares if a whole school with over 500 kids died in the incident

bring 'em on I say.....gotta love a cheap copy of anything.....notice how when a cheap copy come along the original expensive one seems to drop in price.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by me_ashman:<br /><strong> bring 'em on I say.....gotta love a cheap copy of anything.....notice how when a cheap copy come along the original expensive one seems to drop in price. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Or, even better, when a cheap copy outlast the original <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

My Bro bought a cheap version in from overseas and it seems ok and it does not suffer from the original problem like the genuine ones do. Electric shocks now and then!!

Latest i heard today is the DM500 Chinease copy's will be selling for $150-$200 not bad price <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> Latest i heard today is the DM500 Chinease copy's will be selling for $150-$200 not bad price <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Is the Chinese copy pretty much exactly the same as the original? Would you be able to use "dream" software on the copies?

exactly the same u cant tell the difference and yes dream software works on it like the original

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> exactly the same u cant tell the difference and yes dream software works on it like the original </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">HAHA! COOL! Where can we get them?

will know soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by reuder:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> exactly the same u cant tell the difference and yes dream software works on it like the original </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">HAHA! COOL! Where can we get them? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Who knows and who cares!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Just wait until the power supply dies like on most cheaply made Chinese clones.

Craig,<br /><br />I hear that you guys in NZ have these passing through your hands way before they get here, got any spare psu's lying around just in case? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

You're not trying to say that Apsattv knows where to buy these DM500 are you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> , Well he is in the know and he would have a better change then others. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> exactly the same u cant tell the difference and yes dream software works on it like the original </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">nice to know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

I bet they will be an overseas order job for these boxes, but who knows the local Chinese computer or sat shop might be selling them.

Not likely but you never know they might lower themselves to do this.

If there is money to be made , someone will do it.

Well this is the problem but I can't see the average Satellite shop in OZ selling them, Also I have been tipped of that some have been bought in WA hummmmm who is the closest neighbour to WA thats asian Hummmm .

Still plenty of dodgy sat shops about Phil , whats the bet the Mod Shop in WA starts flogging them off ? They have no priciples whatsoever.

Yes we all know that, they invented the word dodgy and to do what they did and it still swinging in the courts has got me stuffed. All I can say is they must have good Lawyers<br />I'm getting reports that Dream Media has ran out of DM 500's now if this is the case DM need to look at themselves as this will be the perfect opportunity for the clones to take over. What a mistake!!.

The Mod shop are still running? What's their online link? Is it bad to ask that here? lol

I bet Dream Media has already rang them to see if they're selling the clones.

I would advise you to steer clear of the Dream500 clones. Richtec and greatdvb clones versions DO NOT WORK big trouble Internet realated. Not quite sure what they mean but a Dreambox that won't work on the net isn't much use ;-)

Interesting!!

Chinese clone box is good, cheaper than the orighinal one, also the same function as the original one