Joysat and other companies<br /><br />Aus-city is totally paid for by D cottle out of his own pocket and since this site has no sponsors we do not allow any advertising on it, It has nothing to do with UBI or tv plus, this rule lives with most forums around Australia.<br />And just think how many times I have bought sat stuff from your shop and you didn't even give me a discount and now you want to advertise your company on my turf.<br />Phil

that new forum No not the ja forum the lastest forum again they like using your name and tell you that you are not welcome there,at least they don't abuse you there yet, got me stuffed phil you do nothing and they talkabout you, He says he is from joysat buy as you know My brother buys stuff of them in Brisbane and there asians and most asians are not bothered with forums so it must be one of there employees and they do have a contractor that use to be on your forum like a member called Tracesat_Brisbane, loose lips sink ships funny how the word gets around 2000K away.

I don't worry about other forums. I just worry about Aus-city. We all know this is the best forum for UBI and PBS where you can get genuine help ( I have helped heaps and They aren't even on this forum). As for Joysat I don't worry about them either. I have been there a few times and bought a bit of stuff off them and if their prices are still right I will still go there and buy stuff off them. I had some very confidential information given to me only yesterday. I was going to pass this on to the concerned party but due to the above I will not bother. My saying is, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.<br />Phil

Ok Phil first you have never buy anything from me, but anyone who ask me in past for best price I have do, and I'm sure 80% I have cheapest satellite equipment in Aus.Phil you are very welcome I give you ph no. 0413 447 322 you can contact me 24/7.<br />Second I have bean very busy this days and I have just saw on my forum someone have using you name my apology for that I will remove that.<br />Third for Musician, this is not very imported but I'm owner of this sat business and this have not nothing to do with any Asian man.<br />and last think one of my ex employers have join this forum under user name incel, really I have heard about this 2 days ago someone phone me. Anyway that person is not working anymore.<br /> SEE I THOUGHT YOU WERE JOYSAT NOT INCEL,I HAVE PURCHASED GOODS FROM JOYSAT NOT INCEL,<br /> AND YET YOU USE THE PUBLIC DISPLAY NAME JOYSAT TO CONFUSE PEOPLE<br /> <br /> <small>[ 12. February 2005, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: Phil Debono ]</small>

Are you that sure? Are you Fred or Frank? I have many friends that have bought from you or others from Joysat, Has the company changed hands in the last 6-12 months?. Anyhow I have nothing to complain about, have a nice day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 12. February 2005, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: Phil Debono ]</small>

Yes joysat is under new management.Anyway if you need help you have my contact anytime.

Joysat I called on your mobile today and the lady answered.. 'incel' I enquired about satalite costs and installation... OPTUS B3

Phill just dont pay attention to the person using joysat name the owner and myself got nothing to do with that name on the forum.Who ever is using the name got nothing to do with it..<br /><br />Tracesat Brisbane Installer for JOYSAT Brisbane

In that case thats wrong and I hate that. Nobody should use the name Joysat only Joysat should use the name Joysat.<br />So whats going on ????? is Joysat now owned by Incel, please explain?<br />Phil

Of course REMOVED ADD BY LAZER have nothing to do Joysat.Joysat is only Incel's supplier.I'm sure if you selling someone products you can use they name, same with Compaq we are Compaq Business partner for long time, that mean if you deal with Incel you are welcome to use my brand name, or my logo for you marketing thinks, but you are not welcome to use my name on your tax invoice etc.<br />For Dan04 I know you have phoned on my mobile yesterday, you say you are from Gold Coast and you want to watch Arabic TV from UBI, I'm not sure what is the point for you call, you just throw away money for ph calls., if I can help you I'm happy to do, to sell you but for installation I can not help you is just long way from us, will be cheaper for you if you find someone on Gold Coast, or if you are interesting I have friend there.<br />And last think did you saw web side REMOVED ADD BY LAZER in USA or REMOVED ADD BY LAZER and others world wide, which using my business name REMOVED ADD BY LAZER tell me what can I do??<br /> <br /> <small>[ 17. February 2005, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]</small>

just what we need, more confusion??

Yes and now you have another new member Joysat Australia

Joysat Pty.Ltd is an international company, is a Mesh Dish manufacturer and satellite receiving equipments supplier.<br />Companies in Australia, Hong Kong and China.<br />Australia office : 2/1, Stockwell Place,Archerfield, Brisbane.<br />ABN : 073 407 477<br />TradeMark Registered : 987286<br />website : www.joysat.com <br />e-mail: joysat@bigpond.net.com <br />Company Solicitor : Sia & Sia Lawyers.<br />Agents around Australia :<br />QLD : aDigitalife, Nationwide Tv Antenna.<br />NSW : Haulin P/L, Planet Tech. P/L.<br />Vic : Phoenix P/L, Porstar P/L.<br />S.A.: CMT Sat P/L.<br />W.A.: Sat Tv. P/L.<br />We are welcome for cooperative partners in every area of the world as agents.<br />Legal action will be taken if the trademark, Joysat, is used without written approval. <br /><br />Joysat P/L.

Well go for them!!

Of course I'm with that, but anyway Joysat headquarters is located in Australia, You right Phil, but other People don't understand, to much confusion, it is all about business hope others they understand. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br />Above User (joysat Australia Junior Member) I think is one of agent from above business which trying is well to advertise they business, and some detail from above company is incorrect, it is big different, between agent and reseller/distributor,(think) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> .And anyway if you are from Joysat Australia you should know how long Incel is trading with you.Don't be child, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> I have just talk with Henry, he is big boss from Joysat he said he has not write this message above, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> and you know what he just said to me?I'm very happy because, there is talk about Joysat the one of reason is I'm getting rating, more business, remember the word of mouth is best advertising today. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br /><br /><br />ps, I think new user Joysat Australia is one of agent from Qld, you can all see which one's I'm talking about from above named agents, because if is someone from other state will put Incel under, anyway we are independent company and we are not no one agents.Only once in past we did have contract with new HP Compaq for agent and that is all.

So what we have now are the joysat wars? sounds interesting. so which joysat uses the number 325-55211 because this is the number I always have used to ring for whatever I need. Something smells?<br />Phil

Phil, what is this bullshit? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> Who gives a shit about joysat! Please remove them all before it gets too far with their full free advertisements. Phil, can't you see them using the forum for their ads. I really don't give a shit who owns and who runs it and am sure no one else likes to know those things here. Please do something....<br /> <br /> <small>[ 10. February 2005, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: fsking ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by joysat:<br /><strong>I'm very happy because, there is talk about Joysat the one of reason is I'm getting rating, more business, remember the word of mouth is best advertising today.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sounds like one big scam to advertise to everyone on here. Joysat and Joysat Australia are probably the same people , anything to keep the advertising going in this thread.

Posted at the same time fsking , couldnt agree with you more , stinks of a scam.

They are like friggen mushrooms, started with incel then jump to those idiots who thinks everything is free as long as know how to screw the system...They need a special treatment before coming to Australia....

Don't worry I will be ringing One of the joysats this Afternoon to find out more (I rang already but not there), He has approached me for advertising but As I have told him I would like to sort this problem who is who out first.I would like to speak to both parties first over the Phone as I don't like what is happening.<br />If not sorted out I will remove both.<br />Phil

We had a similar scenario about Satfreak and Ja <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <br /><br />I have multiple personalities too.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

What country are you come from Fsking? this is Australia not Serbia.I like to know more about that people, but anyway you Phil sound like small child calling around business and asking bullshit, how funny and stupid that looks and sound.It is easy to find who is who go and search who is.<br />What a big Bullshit forum!!<br /><br />You have no rights to take other people time with bullshit, be real Phil

Phil If you call me I give you shit, now suspend my account anyway will never come here any more....

Another nutter.

Congratulations mr intelligent tv. How did you realise that you are living in Australia? What's wrong with you mate? Is serbia more like what I described about your action here. Be real! If you are the owner or representative of that company, you would have appreciated what Phil is trying to do to protect your business against corurupt scammers...So, I'm trying to stop invaders coming here and screwing the system. Don't be one of them, if you like what you have here. Try to protect the system by being part of it so, at the end of the day, you can get what you really deserve...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by tv:<br /><strong> What country are you come from Fsking? this is Australia not Serbia...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What country are you come from TV? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <br />Serbia is a nice country as well as Australia...<br />If you do not like it here, LEAVE ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" />

Gee this forum attracts them.<br />All I wanted to do is do some talking whats wrong with that.? <br />You wonder why I'm so confused because in one corner we have joysat the other we have joysat Australia and in the other corner we have tv and in the final corner we have ....... ........ Now I won't mention him as I want to talk to him, and he is the only one that makes sence .<br />As fsking said I'm trying to protect a business name and all I need is more information.

What Happens If I Register A Business Name Or A Pty Ltd Company? <br />What Rights Or Protection Do I Get?<br />The business name or the Pty Ltd company registration does not give you protection of your proprietary and intellectual property interest. <br /><br />The Business Names legislation and the Australian Securities and Investment Commission is concerned with the establishment of a public register of business and Pty Ltd company names and their particulars. They are not concerned with conferring rights or protection in respect of such a name. You should, after deciding on a business name or a Pty Ltd company, conduct a thorough search of the Trade Marks register to make sure that the business name or the Pty Ltd Company name is not similar to any registered mark. <br /><br />Business names and Pty Ltd company names are best protected from exploitation when they are registered trade marks. On the other hand, your new business name or Pty Ltd company name may infringe a registered trade mark. Be sure to search the trade mark database before registering a new business name or a Pty Ltd company name.<br /><br />What Is A Trade Mark?<br />A trade mark can be a word, phrase, letter, number, sound, smell, shape, logo, picture, aspect of packaging or a combination of these. It is used to distinguish the goods and services of one trader from those of another.<br /><br />A registered trade mark gives you the exclusive legal right to use, license or sell it within Australia for the goods and services for which it is registered. <br /><br />Trade mark registration is not compulsory but it is advisable. There is protection against misrepresentation under the trade practices or fair trading legislation. It is also possible to take action under common law but this can be a time-consuming and expensive exercise.<br /><br />Is there a difference between a trade mark and a business, Pty Ltd company or domain name?<br />Yes.<br /><br />The difference between trade marks, business, Pty Ltd company and domain names sometimes causes confusion for both traders and the public.<br /><br />A Pty Ltd company name or a registrable body must be registered under the national Corporations Law administered by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. Once registered, it covers the whole of Australia. If a Pty Ltd company wishes to trade using a name other than the registered company name, it will be necessary for the company to register that name as a business name.<br /><br />A business name is a name under which a business operates. Registration serves as a means of identifying the owners of the business and is obtained under state or territory legislation. Registration of a business name in any Australian state only gives you rights in respect of the particular state where the registration is made.<br /><br />Where trading occurs in more than one state or territory, the business name must be registered under the laws of each one. Registration of a business name is compulsory and must be completed before the business starts trading.<br /><br />A trade mark is used to distinguish the goods or services of one trader from those of other traders. Registration of a trade mark gives the registered owner exclusive use of the trade mark throughout Australia.<br /><br />Registration Of A Business, Company Or Domain Name Does Not In Itself Give You Any Proprietary Rights-Only A Trade Mark Can Give You That Kind Of Protection.<br /><br />The same word(s) may be registered by different people as business names and trade marks. However, the registered trade mark owner can sue the business owner for infringing the trade mark if the business name owner uses it on goods or services similar to those covered by the trade mark registration.<br /><br />What About Domain Names?<br />In current times, besides deciding on the business name and the trade mark, a trader also has to consider the registration of a domain name to protect their intellectual property.<br /><br />A domain name is a textual address for a location on the Internet that corresponds to the actual alpha numeric address which the Internet computers can read. The rules for registration of a dot.au domain used to be quite strict. Since 1st July 2002, the ability to register domain names under the dot.au category has been relaxed significantly. You should see http://www.melbourneit.com.au for the latest information on registration of domain names.<br /><br />What can you do?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by tv:<br /><strong>now suspend my account anyway will never come here any more.... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I wish you would stick to your word.

But tv you only add to the confusion.<br />Your "nick" now is tv, what is it going to be in another 5 minutes?<br />If I owned this forum and we had someone that wanted to advertise and he was a local I definately would want to meet him or her or talk over the phone, Whats wrong with that?.<br />George

I don't live far from Phil, I needed help once over a roof restoration job, I pm'd him, I phoned him, them he came over my place to give me a opinion on my roof restoration job, and I didn't even know him.<br />hows that for help<br />George

Yes George the Forum sorted out that Crook, you got a new driveway out of it, Funny how companies act when their is bad publicity where all can read.<br />Roof Restoration what a Croc.

My dear Phill thank you for clearing all this mess that phone number that you have is the one who will sell all the satell equipment that you need any time at very fair price you will be dealing directly with the owner HENRY he is an excellent person like you buddy..<br /><br />Your always mate <br />Tracesat Brisbane for any installation call me on the number I sent you...

JOYSAT trademark is registered for the following goods and / or services :<br />1. Satellite dishes, steel and mesh dishes, antennas, receivers, satellite receiving equipment, being goods in class 9.<br />2. Installation, maintenance and repair of satellite dishes ant antennas being services in class 37.<br /><br />Mr. Incel , for showing interest in our company, JOYSAT. If you would like to use JOYSAT trademark, you must seek approval by our board and pay an annual copyright subscription.<br /><br />Your interest had bought our attention to the possibility of franchise. Please contact our solicitor for further details and conditions. <br /><br />Thanks Phil, Tv and Tracesat.<br /><br />for Joysat Pty. Ltd.<br /> <br /> Henry Removed By Phil <br /> Brisbane.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 12. February 2005, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Phil Debono ]</small>

That's was all about traffic ranking,<br />I'm the owner of Incel, and I have find free domain name Removed by Phil <br />have register them for $49.00 that is all..My business<br />name is Incel, and I own Removed by Phil and 20 others names on different hosting Australia wide.I have talk yesterday with Henty from Joysat Brisbane, and I have make decision to inactive Removed by Phil and , later on will use them for non business, maybe for forum, or private web side, or in different language.The only one reason is way I will do this is, Joysat are my supplier, and there is very good and friendly people.<br /><br /><br />Thanks to Phil Debono and http://www.aus-city.com for high traffic ranking on my web store in last week I did have.Thank you Phil for making story on you forum >>FOR JOYSAT >><br /> You deserve good price for Sat equipment, just call me mate if you need something. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />INCEL<br /> <br /> <small>[ 12. February 2005, 10:21 AM: Message edited by: Phil Debono ]</small>

Why thanks to TV??<br /> [B][/B] ... You may not be able to stop another party from using your preferred domain<br />name even if it is identical to your trade mark if: ... <br /><br />Similarly, no one has an automatic right to a domain name. Just because you have a company or business name, or a registered trademark, does not automatically give you a better right than anyone else in the corresponding domain name. The domain name system is entirely separate from the trade mark registration system.<br /><br />An Internet Domain name, unlike a registered trade mark, does not give the owner any intellectual property rights.<br />Be aware that domain names allocation rules have changed so that you may now be eligible to obtain a domain name that matches your registered trade mark or registered trade mark application, even if it is not your registered business name (If this name has not already been allocated). <br /><br />If the domain name is merely registered but is not used in the course of trade then an infringement of the trade mark is unlikely to be sustained. Conversely, evidence of a domain name being actively used would be relevant in demonstrating prior use of the mark within Australia, and could be a case against trade mark registration.<br /><br />You may not be able to stop another party from using your preferred domain name even if it is identical to your trade mark if:<br /><br />they are not attempting to 'pass off' trading on your name. <br />IPAustralia's trade mark database at www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks; <br />the www.ausregistry.com.au for .com.au, org.au, asn.au, and id.au and gov.au names; and <br />the www.aunic.net site for edu.au names. <br />Incel go for it.<br /><br /><br />From someone who's brother is solicitor.

Another shit fight, I'm out all day and come back to this?.<br />Hey incel where is my cut for your extra profits.<br />I need a feed and I will be back later.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by tv:<br /><strong> Phil If you call me I give you shit, now suspend my account anyway will never come here any more.... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hey tv!<br />Where do you fit in this saga of the joysat wars?,<br />you say you give me shit if I ring you, are you for real? I hope you don't work for incel and you expect me to allow you to Advertise on Aus-city.<br />The Both companies if you had any decency you would have sent me a email before the start off all this shit and we could have spoken over the phone like a gentleman.<br />Tomorrow is Saturday and I will get in contact with the both of you definately to sort this shit out as I'm not making a cent from the both of you and now incel tells me he thanks Aus-city for the extra sales.<br /> QUOTE ! <br /><br /><br />Thanks to Phil Debono and http://www.aus-city.com for high traffic ranking on my web store in last week I did have.Thank you Phil for making story on you forum >>FOR JOYSAT >><br />You deserve good price for Sat equipment, just call me mate if you need something.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />INCEL

Hi Phil,<br />TV is not working for Incel, but anyway looks someone is trying to bring more confusion.About High Ranking is was just joke, but anyway if you need something let me know.Thanks<br /><br />last week was very interesting, but what about we gone talk next 7 days, anyone got idea?<br />Someone need to register www.foxtel.net.au (joke)