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#17214 Fri 19 Aug 2005 05:40:PM
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I found this in the austeck forum, Is this slanging match necessary for a new company that has just started or are they selling themselves cheap <br /><br />Found at<br />http://www.austech.info/showthread.php?t=117024<br /><br />I found reference to the statement by Puma Media <br />on the subject of UBI<br />http://www.tvpolonia.com.au/tarbsubi.htm<br /><br />and took the trouble to translate it into English for forum members to enjoy:<br /><br />“For some time, we have been receiving numerous phone calls from former and current subscribers of TV Polonia concerning the letter from UBI containing the information on three Polish TV channels that may allegedly be receivable in Australia. In all phone calls and electronic correspondence people ask about our position on this matter. Because the letter was not signed by anybody, many people also ask whether we have anything to do with UBI company.<br /><br />We therefore clarify:<br /><br />1. Puma Media is the sole official distributor of TV Polonia and Polish Radio Program 1 in Australia, and from mid-August also of the iTVN channel.<br /><br />2. Puma Media company has nothing to do with UBI company.<br /><br />3. UBI principal is Maria Regina Boulos, the same person who was the principal of Tarbs company until the end of its activity in July 2004.<br /><br />4. From the official information it follows that Maria Regina Boulos registered the UBI company just a few days after the collapse of Tarbs company.<br /><br />5. It is not possible to answer many questions of the public, among them:<br /><br />A) Why, after more than a year since the collapse of Tarbs company, its former director Regina Boulos suddenly remembered about the existence of the Polish community in Australia and, instead of apologies, puts forward a new offer?<br /><br />B) Why Maria Regina Boulos – the former Tarbs principal and the current UBI principal – having been in possession of the addresses of her former customers, until now did not take the trouble to apologise to us, her former customers, for everything that happened to us as a result of the collapse of Tarbs company managed by her?<br /><br />C) Why has Maria Regina Boulos – the former Tarbs principal and the current UBI principal – decided to block the electronic decoders of which we as former TV Polonia subscribers were, in our majority, the legal owners? Because of this blocking, former TV Polonia subscribers were forced to purchase new decoders to receive TV Polonia again.<br /><br /><br />Dear members of the public, we live in a democratic country where everybody has the right to conduct an HONEST BUSINESS. For obvious reasons I cannot and do not want to comment more precisely on the behaviour of UBI company and Maria Regina Boulos - the former Tarbs principal and the current UBI principal. I believe in the intelligence of our current and potential customers and am convinced that every member of the public will form their own opinion on this matter. For many reasons I think that members of the public should answer for themselves the following questions:<br /><br />- Was the aim of UBI’s letter to discourage the Poles in Australia from subscribing to TV Polonia?<br /><br />- Did Maria Regina Boulos think that the Polish community in Australia will never find out that it was she personally who steered the Tarbs company until it collapsed?<br /><br />Puma Media offers concrete programs and meets set deadlines. It is therefore with great pleasure that I announce that on 16 August Puma Media has introduced an additional TV channel in Australia. From 16 August our offering was extended to include an additional TV channel from Poland. Because iTVN channel is not known to the majority of spectators in Australia, we have decided to offer it to our potential subscribers free of charge for four weeks. After 20 September iTVN channel will be encrypted and available only for subscribers. Click here for further information about subscription to iTVN (http://www.tvpolonia.com.au/Abonament.htm)<br /><br />Tadeusz Matkowski<br />Managing Director<br />Puma Media<br />===========================<br /><br /><br />My personal comment: While I have no Polish roots and not much interest in Polish channels, I have to point out to Puma Media that they do not need any assistance from the Boulos gang to discourage anybody from subscribing to TV Polonia: the monthly subscription of $50 for one channel does it better than any Bouloses of this world. Puma Media’s new offer of 2 channels (TV Polonia and iTVN) for $60 a month is still over the top by any standards.

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I guess they just want to make some noise.<br /><br />At the end of the day the customer will choose the service they think will fit their needs no need for a PM vs UBI war.

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If the above translation is correct, I think Puma media have lowered themselves because in my experience when I used to run a business, its always best to do your own thing. You must always show honesty and integrity, because this is what the general public look at. Why in the hell would Puma TV want to print (if the translation is correct) this written diahorrea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> . As far as I am concerned you have done yourself major harm. Why couldn't you have just forgotten about UBI and done your own thing? Companies will never learn, we speak about this back at Uni and it seems to be companies which are controlled by ethnic people fail in this area. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

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Ew_289<br /><br />I don’t agree with you and I understand why you had to write “..I used to run a business..”<br /><br />Puma TV tried to explain the situation and their position. Many polish people got confused - who is who, so this type of information clarified it.<br /><br />I sort of agree that the letter is a bit overboard – but does the job.

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Normally I wouldn't be caught dead in these pay TV forums but ew_289 you have a point. This mob Puma Media are in my eyes a bunch of pussies trying to start a business this way.<br />Liski I agree with you its not needed, this is the reason why you guys get in this sort of shit you don't know when to keep your mouths shut. Thumbs down to the pussies for the way they are trying to conduct their business. I would hope the Australian Polish community are a little smarter than that.<br />Cathy

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If I was Puma Media I would remove that letter. There is no need for it.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boggie:<br /><strong> Ew_289<br /><br />I don’t agree with you and I understand why you had to write “..I used to run a business..”<br /><br />Puma TV tried to explain the situation and their position. Many polish people got confused - who is who, so this type of information clarified it.<br /><br />I sort of agree that the letter is a bit overboard – but does the job. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A bit overboard and is not warranted

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We have a few Polish girls at Uni that had tarbs and I have explained to them to pass the message to their dads to be suspicious of any company that bags another. Again it not on.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boggie:<br /><strong> Ew_289<br /><br />I don’t agree with you and I understand why you had to write “..I used to run a business..”<br /><br />Puma TV tried to explain the situation and their position. Many polish people got confused - who is who, so this type of information clarified it.<br /><br />I sort of agree that the letter is a bit overboard – but does the job. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Boggie <br />The Polish people might be confused but why would you want to put this on paper for all to see It makes no sence it only discredits them before they even start <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

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This company has lost the plot before even starting.

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I believe that this discussion is pointless. I have a feeling that some of you are on UBI payroll or are having a lot of faith in UBI and its future as the satellite TV provider. That’s fine. I don’t really care, as long as I am getting value for my money. At this stage Puma is giving a better option.<br /><br />As I am part of polish community and also work for them, I can give you a first feedback. I spoke with around 20 people which have access right now or have seen Polsat 2 productions. The message is clear – when the grace period (free) will finish they are not going to pay for it – it is crap. If UBI will have by then more polish channels or some decent English channel they will re-conceder it.<br /><br />Personally, I don’t believe that polish community is big enough to have two providers for satellite TV.

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The Polish package will not be encrypted until the Polish package is finished. Simple!<br /><br />It is up the customer to choose which provider better suits their viewing habbits.

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This discussion is all about a new company shoveling shit, no I'm not on anyones payroll. The way I look at it mate its not Polish tv its a new company that has already shown its intentions by shoveling shit.<br />Boggie do you work for Puma at least Liski has the guts to say he is from UBI.

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Whats this? we have a new loud mouth company starting have we.? Maybe this is the only way they know how to conduct themselves.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Cathy B:<br /><strong> Normally I wouldn't be caught dead in these pay TV forums but ew_289 you have a point. This mob Puma Media are in my eyes a bunch of pussies trying to start a business this way.<br />Liski I agree with you its not needed, this is the reason why you guys get in this sort of shit you don't know when to keep your mouths shut. Thumbs down to the pussies for the way they are trying to conduct their business. I would hope the Australian Polish community are a little smarter than that.<br />Cathy </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If you're gonna talk about pussies please at least include pics<br /><br />Thanks.<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

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Ok, let me clarify – I am not working for Puma. I just want some polish channels on my TV and I am worry that there is not enough money for more than one provider. There is not enough polish people keen to spend ~$60 per month to have polish TV. So if you split those people who are keen into two companies - one day it will not be worth for both of them to serve polish group. UBI is in better position because “poor performing group” could be supported (financed) by other groups (channels), so polish channels should not disappear from UBI. Unfortunately, I have seen on the website of polish TV (www.tvp.com.pl) that Puma has signed contract with them which makes them the Official Distributor in AU. I believe the same thing was signed with iTVN. So, to the point now – if Puma will disappear – it will disappear with two polish channels which are ok to watch. We don’t know any condition of the TV Polonia and iTVN contract but lets say the contract is valid for two years – then we might say goodbye to those channels for some time.<br /><br />To support it with real example from our ground – before TARBS started broadcast of TV Polonia a few years ago, polish community had on SBS every Sunday a 30 minutes news program produced by TVP. One of the clauses of the contract between TARBS and TVP caused this program to vanish for a few years. This is the power of contract…<br /><br />I can see that all of you think that Puma will be another TV Sat provider. Don’t think so! They don’t have infrastructure and any expertise in this area This company for many years was involved (and still is) in printing business. Since some time they are getting some new polish movies and screen them in cinemas around country. They are focused mainly on polish group. I would be very surprised seeing them going into other groups.

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i think the future of australian sat tv is 1-2 channels per satellite company

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I'm amazed at the number of apologists for UBI on this forum! Honestly, is anyone allowed to question anything UBI does without being accused of having ulterior motives? So before I get howled down, let me state my position - I have no interest in UBI or Puma other than as suppliers of Polish satellite TV programs in Australia.<br /><br />I had no major issues with TARBS until they went belly-up. In fact I felt quite sympathetic toward their situation - this, despite the fact that they took my monthly payment AFTER they were pronounced bankrupt (or whatever the correct technical term is) and I was unable to get it back (despite several phone calls and assurances from them).<br /><br />I waited and waited for some concrete news of a replacement service, only to be fobbed off with the usual "next month" lie. When Puma announced they were supplying TV Polonia I got onto them as soon as I could, as by this stage I had lost all faith in UBI.<br /><br />And sure enough, as soon as they saw they had competition (for one of their minor audience segments, I might add) UBI started on their campaign. First came the Polish-speaking rep who went around to the Polish community club, bagging TV Polonia and promising that a new, more youth-oriented Channel would be starting soon, which he was taking expressions of interest for. The idiot didn't even do his homework properly as most of the Polish club attendees are retired folk who quite like TV Polonia and would not be all that interested in a youth-oriented channel!<br /> Then in July came the letter saying that UBI would have 3 Polish channels, but not providing any further detail. Of course, this letter came out just before Puma were about to commence collecting their first subscription payments.<br /><br />So, to all you outraged, holier-than-thou posters, so concerned with morals and integrity, why don't you put a little time into analysing UBI's actions and see if they are beyond reproach. And, don't forget, they are not exactly the underdog here - they don't really need all your bleeding hearts and sympathy!<br /><br />I must admit that, when I read the letter in Polish (on one of these forums, in fact) I was quite surprised by the tone and content. However, there isn't anything in it that is a lie, and it basically re-inforced what I had been thinking up to that point.<br /><br />It's funny that, apart from Boggie, none of the outraged posters here is a potential Polish TV viewer. Maybe they're too busy watching and enjoying TV Polonia to be bothered. A bird in the hand ......

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I have been out all day and I can see the poo has hit the fan. I don't care what Puma Media does but I have to agree with others that it is in poor taste.<br />If TARBS and PUMA were at loggerheads back in the old TARBS days fair enough, but who in the hell gives the right for PUMA to start with this rubbish.<br />The Problem is they think they are doing the right thing but others look at it differently and I have to totally agree this has put shame on their name.

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Dolphin.<br />Like myself and others it has nothing to do with Polish channels. It could have been Maltese Channels as far as I'm concerned. It has to do that a new company arising and starts causing trouble by putting that crap on the table. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <br /> ITS JUST NOT NEEDED FULL STOP.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by apsattv:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Cathy B:<br /><strong> Normally I wouldn't be caught dead in these pay TV forums but ew_289 you have a point. This mob Puma Media are in my eyes a bunch of pussies trying to start a business this way.<br />Liski I agree with you its not needed, this is the reason why you guys get in this sort of shit you don't know when to keep your mouths shut. Thumbs down to the pussies for the way they are trying to conduct their business. I would hope the Australian Polish community are a little smarter than that.<br />Cathy </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If you're gonna talk about pussies please at least include pics<br /><br />Thanks.<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thats about the best thing Cathy has ever said. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by alcatron:<br /><strong> i think the future of australian sat tv is 1-2 channels per satellite company </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not if UBI can help it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

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Hey guys plse move it to its proper thread: <br />http://www.aus-city.com/pussy-talk <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It has to do that a new company arising and starts causing trouble by putting that crap on the table.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, it was a bit over the top. But can you honestly say any of it was untrue???<br />Can you honestly say the Boulos' have always acted with total propriety and integrity to get to where they are???

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I don't understand what the problem is with everyone being anti Boulos. If you don't know them or what when on in TARBS don't comment.

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Dolphin<br />There are Skeletons in everyones closet but Why don't you look at Murdock and his empire which includes Foxtel to see whats been happening behind closed doors. This alone makes M Boulos look like Church Alter boy. TARBS and Mr Boulos are Saints compared to whats been going on around the world in the dirty Pay TV Scene in the last 7 years. Unfortunately for the general public that are not involved do not understand whats been happening around the world and this is where the problem lies.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LISKI iTV:<br /><strong> I don't understand what the problem is with everyone being anti Boulos. If you don't know them or what when on in TARBS don't comment. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Do go on Liski....<br />this could be interesting.....<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

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All I will say is that there is no use in people going on and starting up rumors about things they do not know about.

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Most forums ban people that forums Admin and Mods don't like for whatever the reason, I'm the only one of the three Admins allowed to ban on these forums and up to today I have only banned ja and his alias. Yes Satfreak is still here no he is not banned but I think I might start on a few that continue to bitch on about the same shit. <br />So if you want to find out who you are try me.

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Maybe start with Liski. For a man who has UBI logo as his avatar he is a bit too grumpy... If he doesn't like our rumours (this is all we have left, nobody is rushing to tell us all the truth on the TARBS saga - I don't feel like getting in all this debate again) he should reveal all for once... Have we ever had a straight answer from him? But you can also ban me... Why not?

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Grumpy? No! I just get annoyed with people asking the same thing over and over again and people who start rumors.<br /><br />There is no need to tell the truth about the TARBS saga - It's over and done with.<br /><br />I'm here out of my own free will to help with providing up to date and correct information regaring UBI WORLD TV and not about TARBS.<br /><br />You will only get a straight answer from me when I have all the information ready to be posted until then you will get bits of information.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 23. August 2005, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: LISKI iTV ]</small>

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Liski maybe as offficial voice of then TARBS and now UBI can you explain TVPolonia story from the begining. Why TARBS blocked unconditionaly all polish programming on SBS, why price of polish block on TARBS( firstly TVPolonia plus two polish radio programms according to former TVPolonia director price 30 bucks per month) was increased to 65 just for 1 channel. And now UBI is promising 3 channels without telling what and when. Maybe the same story like with serbian channels.

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Gizmo,<br /><br />I will not be discussing anything TARBS related.<br /><br />If you want to know more regarding the TV Polonia/SBS programming then contact TVP directly and ask them. In regards in pricing maybe find out how much it is to sign and then bring a channel from Europe to Australia.<br /><br />UBI announced a Polish package and more information will be released when the time is right.

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Listen man your slogan "when the time is right"is just old song

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Gizmo,<br /><br />I'm sure if you ask Apple for some more information in regards to their switch to Intel I'm sure they will tell you all.

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Hey gismo when it comes to all things Tarbs, Liski is singing "silence is Golden"

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Why don't you look at Murdock and his empire </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Phil, if you think I am a fan of that amoral old lizard, Murdoch, you are sadly mistaken. But he won't be able to sustain his mega-empire forever. Especially if he continues to want to hang on to his absolute authority. Already, two of his golden-haired heirs have gone their own way. I'll be happy, in about 10 years, when his young Chinese wife, having secured her position and influence, takes him for everything and leaves him rotting in a wheelchair in his dotage. It would be some kind of justice.<br /><br />And yes, compared to him, the Boulos' look like saints.

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Yeh the old cow is getting his rocks off at the moment but knowing him he will have a master plan for her. He seems to have a plan for everybody, Ask Galaxy, Canal plus and the others that he screwed.<br />I would love to know why his son told him where to go.

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He may have master plans but she comes from a country whose history is littered with palace intrigues and schemes. She's come an incredibly long way since leaving China as a (sponsored) 19 year old.<br /><br />No, I'm afraid its a case of "no fool like an old fool". He seems to be going through some kind of belated mid-life crisis (he's even dyeing his hair now). She's got him (and his empire) right where she wants them.

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