From Austech.<br /><br />"Ubi is going irdeto2 as from 1st of march 2006. We only have about 2 weeks left.It will be oficially annonced end of this week. they already annoced it in a few ethnic radio stations."

There has been no announcement from UBI WORLD TV regarding this issue.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> There has been no announcement from UBI WORLD TV regarding this issue. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">But there will be!

When there is you will see it posted here by me.

So, all current U.B.I. subscribers are going to need a new IRDETO receivers.<br /><br />And I don't think U.B.I. will suply replacement boxes for free... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

Why do I get the feeling that if this is true and does happen within 2 weeks, it means that I will need to buy a new box, after having paid for a 2nd-hand TARBS box not all that long ago. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> <br /><br />Also I think the Dreamax unit, that I only got a few months use out of and now only use for ERT, will also be useless (except for ERT), as I believe it only supports Irdeto and not the newer Irdeto2.<br /><br />Does anyone know if it supports Irdeto2?<br /><br />If not, what kind of decoder will I need?<br /><br />RATLSNAKE

The Dreamax should support Irdeto2, so it should be all good!

From my knowledge none of the paying customers will be inconvenienced or out of pocket.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 15. February 2006, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Liski ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> So, all current U.B.I. subscribers are going to need a new IRDETO receivers.<br /><br />And I don't think U.B.I. will suply replacement boxes for free... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Another terrible posting by YU4FG... Always jumping to conclusions... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br /><br />I think its best for subscribers to wait for the official update rather then stating thoughts without any merit. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> From my knowledge none of the paying customers will be in convinced or out of pocket. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well this is pretty much an acknowledgment that the "rumour" is true.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> From my knowledge none of the paying customers will be inconvenienced or out of pocket. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Much better <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

It was only a matter of time , 6 out of every 10 watching UBI are doing it with a modded box.

Not for long <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> It was only a matter of time , 6 out of every 10 watching UBI are doing it with a modded box. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And if they go ir2 then 1 sub will be doing 20 free with card sharing...Bring on ir2 and see what happens.I can see most of broadmeadows card sharing on one sub!<br /><br />mixo

Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service

So is it time to sell my ex-tarb box????

liski wrote...<br />Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service<br /><br />---------------------------<br /><br />I am only guessing, we dont know what ubi is upto, all the talk in here is gossip.<br /><br />mixo

Since I am not using the box I'll get rid of it ASAP!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You really live with the fairies dont you ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Boring:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> Don't bet on Card Sharing with the new UBI service </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You really live with the fairies dont you ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">LMAO <img src="http://www.delicaparts.com/Satellite/Smilies/S_WideSml.gif" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />Good one, Boring <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />

Boring & YU4CFG,<br /><br /><br />If you believe Card Sharing will work then believe away.

It does seem to work well on Foxtel and Austar Liski :)BTW , they are now succesfully sharing V5 cards. Try Power Vu or something maybe ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br /><br />You remind me somewhat of the Iraqi Information Minister. <br /><br />" There is no card sharing " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> Which is a great follow up to " We have disabled all modified boxes "

I will not be commenting any further until there is more information for the subscribers of UBI WORLD TV

Good idea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> I will not be commenting any further until there is more information for the subscribers of UBI WORLD TV </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Very good idea, although the damage is done <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" />

uuummm what damage ?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

YU4CFG,<br /><br />You really need to grow up

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> uuummm what damage ?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">like: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> none of the paying customers will be inconvenienced or out of pocket.<br /><br /> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">and: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Not for long </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">PS:<br />Liski, I prefer to stay young <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

He is telling us what he knows whats wroung with that??

How is that damage? If you think stating the facts below damage then maybe you are angry that your not getting a new IRD or maybe your still angry at UBI for disabling your IRD after you were advised to change the freq?<br /><br />None of the paying subscribers will be inconvenienced or need to purchase a new IRD. They will be given a brand new IRD free of charge <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />The people who are watching UBI for free won't be watching free in a few months time <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> He is telling us what he knows whats wroung with that?? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nothing wrong, on the contrary. I am always for telling as it is. (hate conspiracy) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by YU4CFG:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LAZERSAT:<br /><strong> He is telling us what he knows whats wroung with that?? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nothing wrong, on the contrary. I am always for telling as it is. (hate conspiracy) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There's a big difference in telling as it is or thinking as it is. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

"The people who are watching UBI for free won't be watching free in a few months time "<br /><br /><br />Shame its closing down then<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

Will talk to my contact who deals in C.A systems see what he can tell me about what's going on..

Could UBI be using the new v5 cards, that people have been mentioning? Supposedly, harder to card share.

Well I better be getting a new box as I won't fork out a cent, I'm happy that UBI is stepping up their game in the move against piracy but card sharing is still going to exist, they are doing it with NDS and Irdeto2 as it is, it will cut pirates down by alot though as your average pirate doesn't know shit about cs...<br /><br />Unless UBI are going Irdeto 3 or something I see Card Sharing threads for UBI on austech already.

I've installed a lot of CA systems over the years, and in a simulcrypt environment, the weakest encryptions sets the standard for the entire platform. Until UBI can turn off MDS entirely, or at least quarantine sub-service groups (meaning replacing bulk STBs), it will still be subject to the same level of piracy and chard sharing. BTW the CA vendors have noticed card sharing ........

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong>BTW the CA vendors have noticed card sharing ........ </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well I don't think they'll be running MDS and Irdeto2 simultaneously, and if they do it won't be for long. You last comment is very interesting, would you like to fill in the dots.......?

But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes to achieve this and how to maintain both services during the transistion. The usual way to do this is to use simulcrypt (a DVB standard that allows mutiple CA systems to work on a single mux) a good example is Austar that is running both NDS and Irdeto using this method. But MDS is not DVB compliant and I doubt it supports the simulcrypt interface. Even id MDS is simulcrypt complient, there is only one control word shared between the CA systems - the weakest encryptions sets the security level. The only other option is to dual illuminate service which doubles the satellite costs ....... it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong> But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes to achieve this and how to maintain both services during the transistion. The usual way to do this is to use simulcrypt (a DVB standard that allows mutiple CA systems to work on a single mux) a good example is Austar that is running both NDS and Irdeto using this method. But MDS is not DVB compliant and I doubt it supports the simulcrypt interface. Even id MDS is simulcrypt complient, there is only one control word shared between the CA systems - the weakest encryptions sets the security level. The only other option is to dual illuminate service which doubles the satellite costs ....... it will be interesting to see how this plays out. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't know how true this is, but some have said that 3110 boxes can be flashed to Irdeto. They could just have a period where it's FTA. get everyone on Irdeto and the encrypt again. Although you are right, who's going to do the installs, that's going to be a pretty big job.