This is probably in the total wrong forum, but I didnt know where else to put it But anyway:

The reason to life, as many humans drive to discover, is this:
there is none. Reason is a human concept for holding together their communities, and way of life.
We still run off the simple command we have always, Reason, and Purpose. Governments have a purpose to give reason, we do the jobs for a reason, and thus our purpose in the job, is to complete that reason. Even way back when they where making spears from flint, the builders purpose, was to build the spear heads, and the reason for the spear heads was so they could hunt, the reason for this is to survive, and thats the root purpose of the spear head making.

But after a while, when people had time to think, we thought, "Whats our purpose?" The thought is an anomily of the human logic system, because our logic system is hard-wired around purpose and reason, And because humans naturally use logic to think, the same rules come into the thought: "Whats our reason in life?"

And even now, we use this, and the one evidence for that, is religion. Religion gives us a purpose and thus justifies the equasion.

This is the right forum for such philosophy. So much food for thought.

Want me to play devil's advocate?

If we are hard-wired for purpose and reason, then that signifies purpose and reason were in place to organize such. And also, having a drive to find purpose, is itself a purpose.

I'm happy to discuss in detail. My point of view is that purpose and reason are all that exists.

Come on, OMJ, try to change my mind!

Purpose and reason are both human concepts, like I say, wired into the logic cuiruits of the brain. If purpose and reason existed in everything that happens, then many evolutionary chains would not have happened. The whole reason life is on earth is because of pure chance, there was a cause, and an offect, but no reason for it. If it haddent have happened, it wouldent be a big problem to anyone or anything.

The cause where the conditions, and the offect was the basis for life, but no reason, the earth wasnt created and specially placed for an exact reason and purpose, it just happened by chance.

And even then, there was no reason for the universe to be created (if it was even ever created, as they say it was) it was pure chance, cause, and chain reactions of the offect, that caused its creation.

And I agree, animals do things for a reason or a purpose, but the root in the purpose trails back to the source of it all, chance, cause, and offect.

OMJ I have read your hypothesis on purpose and reason.


May I ask, what brought you to deduce the basis of your 'reasoning'

Good, clear explanation. Thanks, OMJ. So what you are saying is...while there is cause and effect, there is no initiating purpose. And correct me if I misinterpreted.

I'm with Chris in that I'd like to know why you have come to the conclusion that there is no purpose. It is fine to say there is no purpose, but it begs to be known why you believe this as opposed to there being a purpose?

I used to think there was no purpose and I was rather depressed. The reason I thought there was no purpose started when I could no longer condone the religion of my upbringing. And because that religion had drilled it into my head that it was the only true religion, my quasi-logic determined that nothing could be true about God, etc., since this was not. My conclusion was probably intensified because I felt that I'd been fooled and I was angry.

Many years later (ummm probably about 20 years) I guess my mind kinda relaxed and one day I just had to know...Is there a purpose? Because it actually made me even angrier to think that I spend every day trying to learn more, become a better person and grow, so what, so I can just die at any time and then it is all gone, poof! It just didn't make any sense to me. I had read and heard of people that had "asked" (prayer, thought-letter, whatever you want to call it) if there is anyone there, a creator, a purpose, etc. And I decided that this would be one way that I might find out... So I tried it and I have been receiving answers ever since.

Once I came to the realization that there is a purpose, it cheered me up immensely and I walked around wanting to hug every person I saw. Suddenly I saw the beauty and intention in every single person and thing, down to the smallest identifiable particle. The beauty and majesty of even just our earth, let alone the universe, is the most amazing work of art. I don't want to wax on all sappy-like as everyone rolls their eyes so I won't. But once you put your little roller coaster car on the track of "purpose" it takes off like a rocket. Everything starts to make sense (at least that's how it happened for me). And it is really very happy.

Great answer, Alisa. You are inspirational!

Thanks, heaps, Dawn!

What made me initially question reason and purpose was alot of things, the search for the 'meaning of life', religion, catagorising everything by reason and purpose, as they do in science, ect. I myself disbelieve that anything really has a purpose, because in my view, nothing would be here without the creation of this universe, and that had no reason or purpose to be created. So if you trace everything back to a source, there is none.

Thanks for the explanation, Jim. I guess you won't be changing you mind then, huh? Well, I still think that everything, including the universe has a purpose. We can just agree to disagree, then, okay?

Now let's talk about werewolves and dogmen...