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Do you feel you have lived a life before this one questionmark
Have you ever visited some place for the first time and felt you had been there before questionmark
Does a certain period of history excite or interest you questionmark
Have you ever met anyone for the first time and felt you already met or knew them previously questionmark ( In a positive or a negative way)

I can say yes to all the above questions, I also believe I have lived lives prior to the one I am living at present.

I cannot say I have ever felt as if I was someone famous (Cleopatra, Napoleon, etc) no
But some people have that strong feeling that they were famous people in history. yes

Peter Teekamp a dutch artist living in Washington State believes he may be the re-incarnation of the famous artist Paul Gauguin, due to many synchronistic happenings throughout his life.
Here are some examples:
A book would fall open right at the page about Gauguin.
Total strangers would tell him about the uncanny resemblence to the dead artist.
He discovered a hidden "signature" within the artworks of Paul Gauguin which had never been known before. Teekamp had been doing the same thing with the same letters in his own artworks years before he discovered that Gauguin did the same.
Teekamp spent his early life away from home in boarding school – as did Gauguin.
Travelled and immigrated extensively to foreign lands – as did Gauguin.
Feels a strong connection with the Indian spirit – as did Gauguin.
After a period of duality as a businessman and an artist, he eventually made a break to total dedication as an artist – as did Gauguin.

There are many other examples, but the most compelling, is the overwhelming likeness in looks of Teekamp and his wife and Gauguin and his wife. eyepop The link to see the morphing links is below:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation091.html

Do you have any belief or a definite knowing of this topic?
I would be very interested to know about it.
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Reincarnation...

There's been many curious and credible reports of it.
It's even mentioned in the Bible.
I too have felt the curious tingle of 'knowing' an unfamiliar surrounding.

In general, the part about reincarnation that frustrates the living-heck out of me, is why all the previous knowledge is stored so deeply that you have to re-learn everything, everytime (well, most people do) and get only a snippet or tingle of 'almost remember' sporadically.

I cannot understand for what purpose a person returns in a different body with little or no recognition of their previous skills and knowledge.

It's like going to college and learning to be a doctor and then dismiss all the knowledge from your mind to become a tinker.

It's baffling to me...
But then again, most things of this nature baffle me...
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Thoughts on re-incarnation can be baffling. But for me, it seems quite normal and flows quite naturally with my thinking.
I believe I have had past life glimpses in my sleep state, in meditative states and waking state.

It seems everything one needs to know is within one's self.One just has to find the key and unlock the innerself door.

If reincarnation is about learning, then it would seem normal to expect, that one would come with a 'clean sheet' each time and not come with any pre-conceived ideas and agendas from past times. One comes to a different body, a different life, often different culture and different sex, so consciously bringing with you what you amassed in a previous existence, may not help you one jot!

In some instances as in the one I mentioned regarding the artist who believes he is the re-incarnation of Paul Gauguin, there must be a really strong link and pull from the previous life to continue in this life on a similar thread, maybe something to do with unfinished business?

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Chris, I enjoyed your post and the great link to Gauguin. It so reminds me of "Return of the Revolutionaries" (link).

I have used regression tapes and remembered numerous probable pastlives. I have also had dreams of pastlives and also some spontaneous remembering. Once I opened my mind to the idea of it and I reached out to it, much like spirit photography, it reached back to me. shake

Your questions about reincarnation are similar to the ones I've had, Dawn. I began reading books and asking the universe for answers on it and most of my questions were answered.

Interestingly, some people do retain quite a few memories. Often it is children who remember vividly and it fades after a while, but some adults have held onto chunks of memories. I came to believe that people who are absolute experts in anything (amazing composers and pianists are good examples) have mastered such skills by various incarnations working toward it.

It is my belief that the soul still retains every single memory of what has happened in every single lifetime and more, in the form of individual identities. And the piece of soul that is incarnated in the current body right now can access these other identities through practice. There is a good reason for not being immortal and for having the opportunity to see life as male, female, rich, poor, handicapped, skilled, etc. And if the memories are retained in full with each life, then the drive to succeed is not as strong because you would know that this is all temporary (a simulation-like) and you would also be prejudiced by previous beliefs and experiences. You would not be objective and therefore would not learn as much. If you had been a prince before, how could you remember this and become a struggling mother of 11? crazy

However, coming to learn that reincarnation exists, experiencing bits of pastlives and realizing that life is eternal, gives hope and relief. Soon you realize that each lifetime is finite and precious because it is an opportunity to learn as much as possible within its span and scope. It is an experience that happens only once specifically so it is indeed precious and very valuable. Overall skills learned in pastlives are generally still with us anyway, things we are good at and pick up on quickly. As are our stumbling blocks, things that freak us out and that we fear. There is cohesion. grouphug

Last edited by Alisa; Tue 22 May 2007 10:06:PM. Reason: Synchronicity -Chris and I were writing these posts at the same time and with the same thoughts!
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I love all these bits of information which lead and tie us into even more. thumbup

Opening one's mind is the start to all things, letting go of pre-programmed and pre-conceived ideas is the start. But, should your journey lead you back to your previous ideas, then I would suggest to go with them if they feel right to you. There is no right or wrong way, there are just choices.

Thoughts like re-incarnation and such, seem to have always been with me, so always seemed so natural. I did not have to do much soul searching to come to terms with this subject.(Just as I typed that, a white feather fell down outside my window) angel

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Synchronicities are just piling up.

Very validating that a white feather fell in sync with your thoughts. angel

Over the last few days I have been watching "Sightings" a program from the early 90's about the paranormal. The topics keep synching up with our discussions and today was about pastlives. Yesterday was bigfoot. content

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It is my belief that people do indeed live many times, many lives.
Some were wonderful happy lives, others more painful and difficult.
I am also of the belief that at some level we retain all memories of these lives.
Memories of these lives or glimpses of certain bits of them are triggered by everyday life, giving one a certain feeling of being someplace before(when you have never been) or feeling recognition of a person(who you have never seen before).
Dream recall is very common, as is remembering from a meditive state.

I also believe we can carry the memories of hurts and injuries we suffered in previous lives. Our cellular memory holds onto these things and can produce actual problems for us in this life.
There are many books on the shelves already written about this phenomenen, documenting many cases. I refer you to read the works of Brian Weiss and Michael Newton as two excellent examples.

I would write some more, but my time here is up today, so I will leave it at this short piece. sunshine

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Sherrie Lea Laird is an American woman who after having numerous disturbing flashbacks contacted a Hypnotherapist who specialised in Hypnotic regression(A technique whereby a subject being hypnotised is able to recall details of events that happened in their past).
Over many sessions with Sherrie,and after applying other validating methods such as -

Facial Features should be consistent from lifetime to lifetime
Personality traits are similar.
Quite often passions and talents are consistent from lifetime to lifetime.
Linguistic writing style is consistent in successive lifetimes.
People incarnate in karmic groups, so friends and family present in a prior lifetime should be found in one’s contemporary circle.

The hypnotherapist came to the conclusion that Sherrie was the re-incarnation of Marilyn Monroe

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Here are some more people who have claims to be re-incarnated famous people from history:

The most famous example of re-incarnation is that of the Dalai Lama, who is said to be the reincarnation of the previous thirteen Dalai Lamas.

Steven Seagal the american actor, has been recognised as the re-incarnation of a 17th Tibetan Lama.

J.K.Rowlings author of the "Harry Potter' books, is said to be the re-incarnation of Charles Dickens(famous 19th century author)

General George S. Patton believed he was the reincarnation of the famous Carthaginian General Hannibal.

The list is seemingly endless.

Here I take a few of the countless quotes of what a few famous people from history have had to say about re-incarnation:

"You see that who you are isn't moving in time. Time is describing the incarnations, the packing changes."
- Ram Dass

"Know, therefore, that from the greater silence I shall return… Forget not that I shall come back to you… A little while, a moment of rest upon the wind, and another woman shall bear me."
- Kahlil Gibran

"It is no more surprising to be born once than to be born twice: everything in nature is resurrection."
- Francois Voltaire

"I know I am deathless. No doubt I have died myself ten thousand times before. I laugh at what you call dissolution, and I know the amplitude of time."
- Walt Whitman

and on a jokey note...

"Reincarnation is making a comeback."
- British Slogan

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I agree with you on the cellular level...

On a DNA theory, I understand, I am clear and accepting... I base my resolution on a the shared dream of a family about a house... The children were all 'adults' when they 'first discovered' that they each had dreams of the same house. They did some checking and discovered that in reality, none of them had ever been too a house like it.
Even accepting the Biblical mention of reincarnation, I couldn't fathom that most of a family would be reincarnated together.
Then sometime later, I read 'Clan of Cave Bear'. I thought about it's theory, and after awhile, I formed my DNA reincarnation theory... 'CoCB' helped me to understand how a family could share a dream of a specific non-existent place... This was years before I heard the 'experts' mention DNA as a possible factor.

I think that we do have memories of our ancestors in our DNA.
I think whatever they saw, read, heard, lived, did, experienced or whatever effected them greatly is passed down as surely as brown eyes or blond hair.
Maybe like a recessive gene, if the dynamics are right, the memories are born into the conscious part of some people.

I do think there really are 'soul reincarnates' that have certain aspects and traits of the previous life or body, sharing physical traits or similar interests as well, like the ones you have mentioned here.

I'm still baffled as to the repetitive ones that don't or won't or can't carry on their intelligence from one life to the next...

It's a mystery to me...

Very interesting...
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I loved reading Clan of the Cave Bear books. cloud

I have considered the DNA memory angle. I think it has validity. I also think the Jungian collective unconscious of archetypes has validity. I believe in straight-forward reincarnation, as well. Perhaps these concepts all fit together similar to the way the physical world does with spirit.

Meanwhile, I had a couple of ideas as to why many regressed people believe they are the reincarnation of someone famous.

One possibility is that a soul is like a pie that can be slivered up and exist in numerous containers. So a particularly prominent/strong soul, such as the one that produced Cleopatra for example, could be reincarnated in many bodies--whenever, including at the same time.

Another theory is along the lines of the collective unconscious, where we tap into a huge pool or filing system of all thoughts and all lives. From here we could experience anyone's previous (or current, or future) life. I also think this accessible "whole" is where psychic information comes from.

Another thought about reincarnation of popular historical figures is that because the lives of these people are dwelt upon by so many others, their path is highlighted, strengthened, easy to tap into, and may also be archetypical of certain eras.
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Hi Dawn wave
Firstly, I had never heard of this book/film before, so it meant nothing to me.
I have to say I would be very intrigued, if all my family and I had the same dream image and would definitely want to explore that much further - whatever the 'experts' say about DNA.

If you think about 'famous people', there are not that many compared with the ordinary people who have lived and did not get noticed or noted when alive. To me(as one of the ordinary) that does not mean that we are not bringing similar traits through with us also.

I have fleeting memories and glimpes of some of my past lives, which have filtered through to my conscious mind through dreams, meditation, past life regressions and just 'knowing'.
I have exhibited certain traits in my life that I could not have known about, completely different from a cultural point of view and was not in my knowledge base for certain. Therefore I cannot go with the DNA conclusion.

For the time being it is a mystery for most people, and there will be so many theories as to what is correct and what is not.

I hope in the future we can come into life with memory of what has gone before and be able to use that for the good.

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Hi Alisa wave

To me the soul is like a multifaceted diamond, one facet of the diamond is projected into the physical and takes on one persona of the soul. But as the soul evolves, it is able to project more facets into the physical. So the ability to have many facets all learning and information gathering is certainly an asset.

You come up with some good points and theories, which provide food for thought.


I have the feeling also that many of us are actually stuck in this cycle of reincarnation and are bound into it for many reasons, not all of it our own doing. Manipulation and negativity are at the bottom of it.
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I think I must've presented my thoughts wrong on DNA. I didn't mean for it to sound like a conclusion for everyone. I meant that it was my resolution as a possibility. But it's just one of the possibilities because I do think there are reincarnated people and there always have been.

Clan of Cave Bear is a book... (well, they made a movie about it and I didn't care for it at all.) In CoCB the people are born with the memories of their ancestors and know about it and use them in their survival and laws.

You know that diamond you spoke of in your post to Alisa, I consider DNA to be like one of the prisms.
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Hey Dawn, flower

Thanks for your explanation and your information about the book.

But..are you saying that you believe there are just 'some' re-incarnated people or is everyone a re-incarnation questionmark
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I can honestly say that I believe that I don't know for sure...
My thought process on reincarnation is quite limited. I think it's because it hasn't directly effected my life much in one way or another (yet).

If I had been born of your knowledge and gifts, I would probably become a maven on the subject... I guess that I believe that personal life experience with reincarnation and the spiritual is the greater teacher in subjects such as this.

maybe?
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You are quite sweet Dawn hug

But... you had me running to look up the word 'maven' hysterical I never heard that word before, and I learn it is a hebrew word, so since I am not Jewish I can be forgiven for not knowing it! dancing

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Purely for fun, you can try out this past life links.

http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/

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I came back to this topic, as I find it a truly fascinating one.

I will be picking it up again very shortly. If you are interested - keep checking back for more real life accounts etc.
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I am a qualified Hypnotherapist and have regressed people into what I believe are other lives.

I use what is termed 'clean language' by therapists, which indicates that the person being regressed comes up with their own suggestions and images and all I do, is safely guide them through the procedure.

I have never come upon a 'famous' life, in all the people I have regressed, all the lives that have been accessed were of ordinary people, but, many were rich in detail and feeling. The person having the experience, felt as if they had gained something by doing this.

The earliest time experience that I have recorded from the regressions, appears to be a very basic forest living culture, probably in europe: The details that arose from that experience were:

Men hunt, women stay around the home area, working.
No sense of date/time/place.
No sense of name/age.
Clothing appeared to be rough type cloth and animal skins.
Hunting equipment- were sharpened spear like sticks.
Living conditions were of a communal type in hut like structures.
But, heightened sensory feelings and a stronger bond with nature.
A sense of position in the community( this person was a main hunter).

The comments made by the person after they had experienced this regression was that although it was a very basic life with very little in the way of modern comforts, there was a strong sense of
'person', having a job to do. Knowing what you did affected the whole community in which you were tied into.
These people also seemed more in tune with the Earth and the flora and fauna, a feeling of being 'much more alive, with the heightened sensory feelings they possessed.

This life, to the person who was regressed was felt to be a very positive experience.

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Wow, you're a certified Hypnotherapist! clap Coooool! flower Thanks for sharing this interesting case!

I would have loved a session with you. helpme Instead, I have had to regress myself using recorded regression instructions. But then I soon realized I could will myself to remember pastlives and have dreams or meditations that reveal them.

There is so much to explore in the mind! Apparently even the future. blink Regress me to the future! cylon grin

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I have been regressed by other people, but the majority of times I have had to do what you have done and either play pre-recorded regression sessions or gain access through meditation/relaxation sessions and dreams.

I would love to have a past life regression session with you, but alas, the miles(kilometres) keep us far apart.

And yes, you are correct - one can be progressed to probable future lives.

All is possible.

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The case for re-incarnation:

I have always believed in the subject of re-incarnation since I can remember, there never seemed to be any doubt in my mind that it was so. I have had, what I believe to be ‘spontaneous recall’ of past lives - here are a few:

An ancient Greek soldier
A 10th century Scandinavian Lady, I was given her name ‘clairaudiently’.
A peasant/poacher in medieval Europe
A Napoleonic French soldier
A lone pioneer man in North America 19th Century( this man’s life was cut short when he was surprised and killed by a grisly bear)
A girl/woman in the Spanish civil war( this female was murdered with other villagers by militia)

As you can tell from the list, none were famous, just ordinary people getting on with their lives and deaths in that period of history

I have also experienced other lives from Past life regression sessions, including interestingly enough , one as a ‘ghost’.

It seems I have been visiting the Earth plane for some time now. I wonder how many more times I will visit after this Life experience?

One of the reasons I became a Hypnotherpist , was to be able to guide people safely to experience their own Past lives and have that knowledge about the other facets of their soul.

Past Life regression is not a party trick and should not be treated as such.

Having knowledge of your soul’s choice of lives and what was learnt from each lifetime can be a life changing experience.
Some people have had miraculous healings in this life, from undertaking such a deep journey. Freeing themselves from physical conditions, phobias, obsessions etc that could not be accounted for in this life.

There may come a realisation, that problems you may be having with certain people/situations in this life are remnants of previous lives with unfinished business to settle.

Not attending to that business, may mean a replay in a future life for you.


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The idea of having to do it all over again duh prompts me to pay extra attention this time around! blink

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Being the leader of groups of people who regularly meditated and 'inner journeyed', I have listened to many rich and wonderful accounts of what they experienced.

At the end of the sessions, I would have herbal tea and cake ready ( this is a good grounder which helps to bring the person back fully into the physical and makes it much more of a group experience). Time was given to each person to share if they wished, their 'inner experience'.

I tend to have a good, retentive memory and so, can recall quite vividly the accounts of these people.

Here is a story of one such person, who was new to the group and quite skeptical of what we did, but came along to 'see' for herself.

On one occasion, I led the group through a deep relaxation process and on to deeper subconscious level of their being.
The journey itself was quite a revealing one for many and quite a few tears trickled down faces(which is quite a normal thing when one gets in touch with feelings).

At the end of the session, this particular woman had tears streaming down her face and was obviously emotional.
She related her account of the 'journey' to the rest of us which was interesting but, unremarkable until she reached the centre of her journey.

She discovered a sleeping baby girl. She felt emotionally tied to this child, as if there was a strong bond between them. This had caused her to feel very emotional and did not know what this image meant, but she felt it was important(this woman did have children) The group talked about it with her and I told her that the meaning of what she had seen may not be obvious to her at that time, but would probably reveal itself to her shortly.

I was correct it seems. The vision of the baby was strong for her and a few days later she contacted her mother and told her of the journey and the baby image and what could it all mean.

Her Mother was silent for awhile and then surprisingly for the woman, told her the story of her 'twin sister'.

This woman was an only child and was certainly not expecting this story.

Her Mother told how she had been expecting twins, but for some reason one of them died just before they were due to be born, so, only this woman came into the world.

For whatever reasons the mother had, she did not tell her daughter she would have had a twin sister, so the child grew up without this knowledge.

She told me that she felt the baby image was her twin sister, and for some reason she had been told this at a deep level of her subconscious.

This insight and knowledge for the woman sparked interest in the group, which she joined and enjoyed quite a few more journeys.

Some weeks after, she came to the group one evening quite excitedly and told us of a vivid 'dream' she had had.

The dream was set in Victorian England and concerned a large house.
She and another woman were servants in the house and one day the house caught fire. This woman escaped, but the other woman was trapped and died in the fire.

At some level, information came to her that the woman who died in the fire would have been her twin sister in this life, but she had decided not to be born and so the baby died within the uterus.

I have many accounts of people discovering things about themselves, their lives and past lives and all this information they discovered, was in themselves - they only had to look.







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Wow, what a fascinating story, Chris. Thanks for sharing it. Twins are such an interesting spirit topic. coolpeace coolpeace

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Twins is definitely an interesting topic from a metaphysical perspective and one that deserves more time - maybe in a future post. jive jive

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[size:11pt][color:#6633FF]Past life memories can and do surface at different times.

Visiting a place or a theme where one has never been can unlock the memory process in differing degrees.
Strong feelings of being in the place before, but knowing in this life this is not so. Pleasant or not so pleasant memories may stir, depending on what was previously experienced in another life.

I have heard many accounts of people visiting someplace new and feeling they have been there before.

One person visited Nepal and on visiting one mountain village felt overwhelmed by the feelings of knowing this place so well. He said it had the feeling of being 'Home'. Up to this day he has only visited the once, but the pull to return is still very strong.

Personally, I had a similar experience on reading a history book on Crete. I turned to a page which showed the partially restored Palace of Knossos. I was instantly flooded with strong emotions about the place. I did take a holiday there not too long after and loved the place, and was especially drawn to the old ruined palace sites on the Island.

A place I also feel drawn to visit is the Languedoc region of france, because of the Cathars. They built their fortified castles in the hills and mountains. the ruins are still there today, standing testament to their existence.

The Cathars were a religious group who appeared in Europe in the eleventh century and eventually were wiped out by the Catholic church who claimed these people were Heretics and systematically slaughtered and burnt them at the stake.

One day I will pay a return visit.

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More interesting experiences and more history tidbits for me to learn from as well! Thanks for sharing them, Chris. thumbup

And I love that photo! [Linked Image]

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The history of the Cathars is a compelling one and makes a very interesting read.

Doing so, you look back and discover another shameful piece of history where inhumanity raises it's ugly head and does the deed, once again in the name of God.


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