Cathy are you back for a stir are you? but you do have a point as most men that have had the unfortunate to mix it with DOCS run away but not this duck, NO, NO, Not me.
I will be a thorn in DOCS side for the next 100 years and by the sound of it so will others.

Sorry I'm a single mummy with my estranged hubby with his own fight against the pathetic craps...he just doesn't come on websites...not techno sav so I say it all for him...so when I post, think of it as double measures against Dchs, b/c he is having his say through me...

We are still good friends but not allowed to be anything other than passer bys so I understand what a previous new poster ? justice said about Dchs threatening her if she allowed her partner back into the house...we are not allowed to think of reconciling ever or the children will stay in care...he's done nothing wrong...we had our issues years ago struggling with each other and a young family and now it's biting us in the face with whatever tragedy we have come through on top of that in recent years...

Basically your not allowed to be human with a heart, think of being depressed, or cry, that's grounds enough to take children with this being RISK OF HARM!

Well they can stick their risk of harm when they have caused harm, with separation, grief and loss for the kids from removal, and very limited access and visitation pulled for any stuffed up reason...imagine if I moved 12 times, with 6 of those times happening in a month? I would be pummelled with my kids being taken off me, but they do this themselves. That's how many times my children have been moved in foster care with the last 3 times being separated from one another after being together for the 1st 9 times...Isn't that just amazing?

So if anyone from the media is watching/reading this...just know this is compounding more every day with no justice in the court system for the best interests and welfare of the child no at all being considered when it's supposed to be the most paramount consideration at all times from everyone involved.! Isn't that just BULL CRAP!

Well said LovingMyKids well said!.

This is EXACTLY what DOCS tried to do with my missus, They continually came over as a set of bullies saying have you got rid of him yet!!If you don't get rid of him we will take your children off you and this continued for weeks, and my wife cried when they were there and they tried to pressure my wife to SIGN THIS, SIGN THIS. See these low life's tried to make my wife sign a document that they will take the kids off her even if she speaks to me over the phone but (SOMETHING HAPPENED, Not saying here EVIDENCE DOCS LIED and how we ???? THEM) and they started to back off.

See these CUNTS Didn't even want me to go back to my house even when nobody was home and there is a reason for this and maybe the police warned them that's there is something ODD with this bloke Something very Different. See DOCS even wanted to know from my missus that DOES YOUR HUSBAND COME HOME TO USE HIS COMPUTERS and whats all this other stuff, WHAT DOES HE DO HERE, WHO DOES HE WORK FOR!! THERE IS NO RECORD THAT HE WORKS FOR ANYONE?
They fucking tried to get rid of me on a lie + another MASSIVE FAT lie by a bitch of a DOCS worker BUT SLUT YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT OUT!!!!!!!!!and I want answers.
Again I have massive evidence against this bitch and I want justice after I had my say but will I get it Hummmmmmm.

REMEMBER NO FUCKING EVIDENCE!!!! And I have pile of evidence against the Complainant and the Department of Child Safety.

JAB, SHOVE YOUR 93a up your arse.!

Hello,
We need to dispell how docs keep up their mantra that 'we are protecting the child'and use this to justify their actions. But what if their actions end up causing more harm then good?
Many of us in this forum are recognising this basic fact. DOCS can't hide behind this mantra forever.

DOCS have an increasingly poor reputation with other community service providers. Other services don't trust docs. (DOCS and corrections for that matter) do not operate from the same treatment paradigms that other government bodies come from.
They are on a different page and think they are above everything else; 'we are the law' they say.

DOCS are draconian in their approach to issues.
What positive stuff do docs really do? Please I am serious I am ill informed if they are doing anything positive in our communities.

DOCS should employ a system that the community can have trust in.

How do they measure their outcomes? By their statistic of quoting how many children were removed from their homes in the state? But then we know that a large percentage of these statistics are propped up by false allegations. So is that really a viable outcome measure?

Are docs collecting data on how many children are suffering more than before being initially removed from their home/ primary care giver?

There is lots of good and easily obtained data that could steer docs current practices into reform.

If DOCS are not getting the basic structure (policies & procedures) that drives their operating practices into being transparent and accountable then of course these coal face docs workers, the CSO's that like to exploit their power, are given lots more muscle.
The values, beliefs and attitudes of these CSO workers underpins their personal judgement and hence their reporting processes.

Prevention is better than cure.
Government if you spent more money on (for e.g.)positive parenting groups that are easily accessible to all care givers (ones with child minding services attached, various hours). Market these so they are attractive to all sorts of community members, then that for one should bring the number of notifications down.

Government if you had (for e.g.) mental health workers that accompanied the CSOs on their witch hunts (oops did I say that?)then a more accurate assessment could be made instead of over powered and under knowledged staff making judgements.

Government if you started networking more with other government agencies and non-government agencies (the specialist in certain fields) instead of dictating to the parent and these other service providers 'we want you to do....'
then there would have to be healthier outcomes.

Government the whistle is being blown on this office (it seems to be getting louder), so what are you doing about it? Are you planning to keep your head buried in the sand because it is really hard to win against you legally so this is not an important issue to you?

Government is there a working party that is looking at rectifying these problems identified and other issues ?

Government please wake up, please start being proactive, please communicate with the community.

DOCS need to have an accountability in their relationship to the community.

DOCS are a law of their own, EXACT words spoken to me by a Cop.
Even an Ambulance driver that has been driving ambulances for over 15 years despises them and the reason is he overheard a conversation between nurses about tactics used by DOCS in removing Fathers from their homes. He as an ambulance driver was not impressed as he told me this happened to one of his close friends.

Doesn't any Government listen regarding what is wrong with DOCS today?
The Government needs to speak to prominent lawyers about this matter. The government needs to speak to anyone that is involved with DOCS eg nurses, carers and whoever, the government needs to speak to people who have complaints against DOCS and if they do this, maybe one day they might get their finger out and do something about them.

I Like this bit.
It might mean nothing to you but it means something to me as you have to know who this mystery person is. There is something that I have learnt in my life, 1+1 doesn't always equal 2.

Don't worry who the mystery person is as its not the person who you think it is.
The topic is DOCS! and the Liars who work their.

Hello,

Can I point you to a site - if you google 'children put at risk by department of child safety' you will find a page from MP Jann Stuckey.
i want you to remember this woman ( in past life a nurse is fighting DOCS within her power. She knows of the injustices, she knows of the lies, she knows of all docs shameful inadequacies!

Jann is questioning just what is going on witin docs practices in parliament. This woman is our political voice, she raises our same concerns - give her your support.

I have told her about this site and also said I am no longer afraid of DOCS. She said she isn't either and is pleased such a forum exists.

Please support this woman, probably out there alone in the political arena, fighting against this very corrupt organisation.
Again I say please give her your support if you believe there are some intrinsic issues within this 'most hated government department'.

Also,
Just because I had not else better to do on a Friday night (uggh, shouldn't bring attention to that fact) but I have been looking up

http://www.peakcare.com.au/webpage/lit-policy.chtml

and other stuff that goes on about 'partnerships' and 'service delivery'.

Well from where I stand in the health care industry I don't see anything about these so called partnerships unless we invite docs and we have quite a few clients who have docs involved in their lives (unfortunately).

and re: the accountability issues I can't quite see anything there when I google this unless I am blind. It directs you back to CMC, Child Services Tribunal and Commission for Children etcetera.

When you search all this docs stuff it all looks glossy and effective on screen but in reality it is far removed from reality. There ain't nothing glossy and effective about docs (except they are trying to persecute the parent).
In fact I would have to say it is a modern day witch hunt.

My personal mantra - There is nothing safe about the Department of Child Safety.

Oh, I invited those who post onto Jann Stuckey site to look at this Aus- City forum.

Welcome please hear us

What's the Jann Stuckey site? Didn't know one existed...

The link is a no go.

all my life I have voted labor when I have voted at all for whatever reason. For the first time ever I will not be voting for the Anna Bligh labor Government as she has been informed about these problems with the Department of Child Safety and has done nothing. Now, the opposition minister for Child Safety, Jann Stuckey, will she be any better? Who knows. As I don't trust any of them, if she could pass one bill in parliament I would be extremely happy and I would vote for her for the rest of my life. What I would like Jann Stuckey to work on is the changing of the law that makes a DOCS officer responsible for someones unnecessary mess if it is overwhelmingly proven that this officer lied.

So, in simple words so we can all understand, if we have a DOCS social worker/CSO/Supervisor/toilet cleaner or whatever lie in any way to have a person charged, lie in any way to inflame a situation or have someone removed out of their house on a lie, they have to be exempt from the act and be open to be sued for compensation by the effected person.

I am lost for words at the moment as I am feeling a bit sick today but I will say this again as I have said it before, if you work in a critical area like say a police officer or someone in a department like the Department of Child Safety and you lie, you lead a witness, you fabricate evidence and you break any laws, you are to be prosecuted and if found guilty you are to be given a custodial sentence, full stop...

I am sick of saying this and I bet the general public reading this site are sick of reading it from me, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO LIE? I would like to say more but I won't at the moment, the above bit has been ringing in my head now for just over three years. I have proven it to people who never believed me by letting them (not telling you because the police could be reading) and after this the very few that have been shown the evidence are 100% behind me.

I will not use names and I will change things around a little to create a bit of confusion, but the below is 100% true.

Just say a known criminal (I won't tell you what he used to do) every time something happened around the local neighbourhood, the police would be going to this gentleman's place, knocking on the door, entering without a warrant and hassling him, so what did he do, he set up a video camera directly into a video recorder. Now (something, something something) happened around this area and the same cops came knocking on the door, again entered the house but the police spotted the video camera. Now this guy, good or bad, put a complaint in, I forgot if it was the CMC or whoever, that the police came in, spotted the video camera, spotted the VCR recording, they stopped the VCR, rewound the tape, removed evidence and arrested him on a trumped up charge.

Now this matter went to court, his lawyer complained that the police removed evidence, the police denied it, after all the defendant is a criminal but what the police didn't know was that this person had a second video camera recording the VCR of the first camera, showing the police in his house, which they denied, showing the police rewinding and removing evidence which they denied. The police were suspended and like usual the police union comes to their rescue.

Now the reason why I bring this up is anyone who works in a critical area, again like the police and DOCS who lies, especially under oath, who fabricates a story or does anything to entrap an innocent person, please go past go, don't collect your $200.00 and go straight to jail.

By the way the police union complained how disgusting is it for an individual to go to such lengths to entrap the police. Put it this way, if you were the member of the public sitting in the back of a court room or if you were a member of the jury sitting in the panel, would you believe this criminal whatever he did against the word of so many police officers put on the stand? I BET NOT!

New laws have to be introduced to put lying and leading (not saying the rest)personnel that work in these critical areas to be sacked immediately, prosecuted and to be civilly sued for their above actions.

I think by now you can see how enraged I am by one simple word. LIE, there was no need for it bitch.

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN!!

LAWS NEED TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE DOCS AND JAB RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR UNLAWFUL ACTIONS.

As long as they know they can get away with it they will continue with this damaging practice.

Hello,

That is odd about the link being a no go. I will see what happened there - I am confused.

I plan to post some interesting reading tommorrow evening - penned by my work colleague (not the ex CSO) who is fed up with docs.
It makes interesting reading.

Have a good weekend. The weather here is brilliant.

You guys must be stupid because none of you have hit the nail on the head yet as its all about one thing money$$$$$$ the more the better.
All these sex case around have you noticed at the end of the day there is always a dollar in there for the complainants? How do you expect people today to buy their new car?, go on their holiday?, buy their dream house when interest rates near record highs? and who wants to pay a mortgage for the next 50 years? Not me. Dudes, its so easy to put a false allegation in today, its easy to join a class action on a convicted Priest as all you have to do is be a pupil in his class and bingo its the easiest 50 grand you will ever make.
Look a that high profile League player Anthony Lafranchie that was charged with sex offenses, he got off so someone must be lying or as the police say insufficient evidence to get a conviction, but at the end of the day everyone wants money, the lawyers want their bit, the sheila that put the complaint in if she wins she wants enough money to buy her new Gold Coast unit and the accused if found not guilty he will try his little heart of to make some $$$ out of this situation one way or another.

Money makes the world go around guys or haven't you worked that one out yet, the Lawyers love these cases and as my bro said its the rule on evidence and most of the time a good lawyer know the case is won before they even enter the court but shush don't tell the client that as its a process of making the money.

Yes but it will never happen.
Solicitors and Barristers become Politicians and at the end of the day they have to look after their buddies don't they?

Cathy
You like putting us men down don't you? My missus said to me last night there is nothing worst than a woman scorned.

Money is the root of all evil as if you remove the money the truth will be out there.

jaremt

No truer words spoken than nothing worse than a woman scorned. I think what this department needs is a few scorned mothers to band together to get their revenge on the injustices that this docs has dished out to many young families.

A message for MP Jann Stuckey.

I am a very simple person and most of the time I never ask anyone for anything but I would like you if you ever become Minister for the Department of Child Safety that you try your hardest to change the laws protecting Child safety workers from prosecution.
Its very simple what myself and others would like. If a Department Of Child Safety worker of any capacity LIES in any way and you can prove it via audio recording, Police recordings or Police written transcripts, this person must be stood down immediately, an investigation must be done and if proven that this DOCS worker LIED in any way or form, this person must lose the protection of the ACT.
Putting it simply you should be able to take legal action against the person responsible for lying for either having you charged or removed from your house because of a FAT LIE!!.

This is all I ask and not a cent more. Please make them accountable for their actions.
Thank you
I Hate Gov Dept.

Hello,
Yes, so true George as I am one of those mothers!
Now passing on what my friend emailed to me and is ok about me plagiarising straight onto this forum....

"...Just a bit I found in one of my books on relective practice, which is someting that all docs workers shold be doing by the way. reflection is about introspection and looking at personal values and judgements, personal biographies that might influence our work.

Critical knowledge is derived from some key ideas in critical social science, which emerged from the social and epistemological needs that presented after WW1. In a netshell, a group of philopsophers of the Frankfurt School decided that a way ofgenerating knowlege other than through the scientific method was needed to open new thinking about human knowing and experience, in order to prevent future wars and domination by oppressive regimes. Critical knowledge has the potential ot be emancipatory - that is, it can free people from the oppression of their entranched social and personal conditions.

The need for emancipation comes from the assumption tha tcertain people, in the circumstances in which they find themselves, may suffer oppression and constraints of some kind, by other people and regimes. Freedom from oppression comes from being aware that is is happening in terms of historical, social, politicl, cultural and economic deteminants and from find themeans to do something about it.

(source - Tayor, B., (2006). Reflective Practice: A guide for nurses and midwives: second edition. Maidenhead: Open University Press.)

It would seem to me that this a lot of what docs need to do, and none of what it is doing. The way I see emancipation can be seen from several different angles. Is that emancipation for the child? The mother? Or both - when they finally are 'reunited' (dumped) by docs altogether?

I ust found this stuff for my essay, and when I was reading it I found I was thinking mor in terms of damage created by docs, than for what I was looking for for my essay..."

Anyway that is from another professional out there in the real world to is totally awake to docs and their style of dishing out their crap to all.

Oops,
Sorry about the typos in the above. I was trying to watch tv and type in the ads.

Sad news for another lot of victims of another government dept, this time the Australian Defence force with the rejection of it's workers, soldiers suffering all sorts of mental illnesses after time in combat and then dumped without compensation or help!

Another area of government that leaves it's people high and dry in life and death tragic circumstances. In the Sunday Mail today!

Pathetic...

Sadly there are no measures in place within government depts as is in some private sectors such as smoke alarms rather than putting out fires.
As a Victim of crime my self I suffer with PTSD at no stage I have been offered any assistance but I have been hounded by government depts since.
My recovery was purposely impeded
I was supposedly expected to be working again within 3 weeks it took the Governor Generals Office 7 years to pay a measly Criminal Compensation claim
In hein sight 20/20 vision it was not worth it.
I don't know if I could have: the memories are quite daunting but the legal process certainly delayed. which impeded my recovery
I had never had intimate dealings with government depts in the past I trusted that they would look after me I am dissillussioned.
Only in Nov last year they have made it possible to seek counselling at a reduced rate through the Medicare system before that we had VOC which was disolved in 2004 due to lack of funding all files where seized an interim project was put in place Relationships Australia where then designated as stipulated by the act where as the gvernment has to make available counselling for VOC
Up until now nothing has been put in place maybe the 1.2 million claim from a retired police officer when asking for back up & was ignored might be heard
The fact of the matter if you trusted you will be sadly dissapointed no help will come when you call.
In my case I had 6 people I was responsible for the police had enough time to set road blocks 100kms away from the property but would not assist at the time.

You will find there is no such thing as a Government Department that doesn't screw its employees one way or another. If you're smart enough you will screw them before they screw you.

VOC Victims of Crime? what about VOD Victims of DOCS do they get to get counseling I bet not. And A cop trying to get 1.2 mill compo, I can't wait until I Hate reads this, what about his compo and others like him that have been screwed by bent law enforcers like the Police and DoCHS.

I lost my respect for the police three years ago, I have never had trouble in any way with the Police not even a parking ticket until now.

CHRIS Hurley - the policeman acquitted of manslaughter over a Palm Island death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee received a confidential $100,000 under the table payment Where are the $100,000 for people acquitted at trials especially if the evidence clearly shows there was Police and DOCs corruption during the initial investigation.

CHRIS Hurley Charged with manslaughter has NO committal, and instantaneously in court and a free man in RECORD TIMES? What was it around 3 to 4 months from WOO to GO.

Why does it take everyone else around 3 to 4 years? for their day in Court?

CHRIS Hurley gets all his legal fees paid by the Police Union, Why Doesn't the Police union pay for my Legal fees?

Has anyone ever notice whenever a cop has committed a crime or done something stupid like that cop that drove into a tree the FIRST to get to the seen is not the Ambulance, NO not the Tow trucks, NO not other cops its the head of the Police union looking after his Buddie and don't get to close to the accident seen as they threaten you with arrest and heaven forbid don"t take your camera's out.
I HAVE TOTALLY LOST CONFIDENCE IN ANY POLICE FORCE AS TODAY'S POLICE FORCE ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

And there are some cops today that get screwed by their own system I had 3 of my best mates NSW cops and all three chucked it in especially one that got beat up by 6 Aboriginals and his new STYLISH offsider a young female constable froze and sat there doing nothing watching as they beat my friend her working partner nearly to death.
He was on Compo for 12 months and refused to work with a female officer ever again and just to piss him off even more this STYLISH young officer was promoted within the next two and a half years whilst my friend was always knocked back for one or another reason.
As he said to me just before he resigned and joined a P.I company the Police today want a STYLISH Police service but as he explained two officers on the beat are only as good as one to another.

Back to the original TOPIC and the TOPIC IN THIS THREAD IS THE MOST HATED GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILD LYING SAFETY.

VOD

VICTIMS OF DOCS,

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Please all keep on topic! that include you ew_289

Go to www.forums.altnews.com.au my comments are under the name of Deborah I have had 10 years of VOD but it did start with VOC what will be next VOE would that be ego...ignorance VOI I have contacted the Yes Boys

Very odd I find.
See DOCS don't care about the kids as I have proven that before, its a ego thing when you rub them up the wrong way and that's where all the crap starts with them against you and they try to use the kids in any way to retaliate.

Sometime you wonder what goes on in their little heads. If you ever ring legal aid they will even tell you don"t rub them up the wrong way otherwise you will pay.
Well It depends how many times you ring Legal aid as you can ring them 10 times and get 8 different answers just to cause some confusion.

I might have mixed one Deborah to another (wrong Story).

Very Sad.

I will let my wife read this later.

In life sometimes you think that you have been hard done by but there is always someone 100 times worst off than what you are and I'm complaining about what happened to us.

Please Deborah
If you have any decent friends you can rely on stay with them. I know what depression can do to a person
as I have been there.

What, me sir.