Please all read!!!!!!!!!
I will put this in point formation so it makes it easy to understand and follow. In BOLD is a reply

1/ DOCS tells you to go to their office for whatever reason

1a/ You never go to a DOCS office by yourself.

2/ DOCS see you have bought someone with you and DOCS ask who is this person and tries to find out a bit more about who this person is and if this person is on the ball they will terminate the interview.

2a/ Again once you have to go to an interview at a DOCS office take someone with you, they always try to stop your friend or the other person from being present at the interview but!! if you bring a LAWYER they will not try to stop the Lawyer from being present, they will probably find some cock and bull story to stop the interview before it starts.

3/ DOCS rings you at home.

3a/ You never except any DOCS phone calls via any phone.

4/ DOCS rings again, and again threatening you one way or another.

4a/ (please pre-arrange this with others that this might happen, please have more than one option). When DOCS rings again you say HANG ONNNNN!!! The washing machine spilt its guts, the oven has just gone bang!!!! tell them anything, tell them give me your phone number and I will give you a call back after I clean up this mess.
So you have no mess you grab your bag, your tape recorder and you head off to wherever your pre-arranged people would be and say for example, you have it pre-arranged to go to the real estate office where there is a Justice of the Peace present, or you go to a Doctors Surgery where you could also have a JP present + other professional people present and once there start your tape recorder, ring DOCS (over an open phone for all to listen), have your conversation with the DOCS CSO and knowing them they will do their best bit to intimidate and threaten and whatever, especially if you have been standing up to them.
Now you have them on tape which you don't have to use if this matter goes to courts but I can tell you with EXPERIENCE these DOGS from hell will lie, there is nothing better to introduce a witness (If allowed as they will try to remove any witnesses)the witness can explain who they are and what transpired in their office. Now once the credible witness has given evidence, the second and if you had the third can give their evidence that what happened in that office where PERSON SO in SO rang from my office over an OPEN phone for the say four people present to listen in + the tape recorder and after all witnesses have given evidence that clearly show the DOCS CSO HAS LIED. You can ask the Judge we also have a tape recording of the phone conversation, can we please re-play it back in this court room? Most of the times the Judge will say YES!.
This is why its important to take this all the way. I know its hard and it costs money but there is nothing better than putting a DOCS CSO on the pulpit where she/he swears on the bible only to introduce the evidence above later. Trust me, the above will put a smile on your face.

For DOCS stooges reading this, two things will happen, you have been educated by me and maybe you will stop your lying, each way, myself and others will win, because are you going to take a chance of continuing your lying shit because one day, you are going to strike someone with a higher intelligence that is going to do to you what you have been doing to others and you are not going to get away with it.

5/ DOCS say If you don't ring me, or let me ring you how do I contact you?.

5a/ Letter only thank you. They totally despise putting pen to paper and if its done on paper it must be on official Department of Child Safety letter head and signed. If not photo copy it for evidence sake and send it back to them with a letter of complaint.

6/ DOCS force their way into your house and they like to use this rubbish that kids are at risk so we will kick the door in.
6a/ if this ever happens get witnesses, always have a camera present and take plenty of photos including them and they won't like this, if not they will try to stop you taking photos of them.

7/ DOCS make uninvited visits to your house after you refuse to talk to them over the phone.

7A/ Tell them again if you need to liaise with me do it in writing, and tell them clearly that this is private property DO NOT COME BACK OTHERWISE I WILL HAVE YOU CHARGED. If possible put signs on the fence, gate or wherever that says Private Property, DO NOT ENTER. Again to remind you, police can force their way in if there is a probable cause, but it just makes it a bit more complicated for all involved.

8/ The above and below is only an indication to what I read somewhere on the internet and in no way is legal advice, if DOCS ever knock on your door shut your mouth, NEVER LET THEM IN, but educate all if these bullies ever force their way in say nothing! and as soon as they go ring a lawyer and may God bless you for your life is about to turn upside down and why? because you stood up to them and that's your only crime.

By the way
If this goes to court and its a Criminal trial, If I remember correctly if you're bringing witnesses to a trial you only have a certain amount of time before your trial to notify the court that you're bringing witnesses.

oooOOOH DOCS LOVE THIS GROOMING CRAP DON"T THEY. Its one of there much used words. Do you know if you buy a child a birthday or Xmas present in DOCS eyes that Grooming? even if the child is yours.

As I hate Gov said many times depending on the situation and who they're dealing with if you bring a person with you that knows the law or better still knows the act, they will not allow that person at the interview.
Another thing that the lot of you have forgotten about is they use all this rubbish in the name to protect the identity of the child but what happens when the child is 18 and becomes an adult?.

This thread is the talk of the town ATM. Its attracting a lot of attention from the law students.
I hate gov, can you check to see the ip's and how many are from our way (ps you know who I work for don't you?)

That is exactly what my daughter is waiting for, she has only a few more months to go and she will be 18 and as a Adult she can right what she wants about herself after all its herself and what DOCS did to her.
ew_289 you are right, DOCS tell us all they do this to protect the child but think outside the square? are they saying this to protect the child or themselves and using the child as a good excuse.
Remember all what you see with DOCS is not what you get. They are masters of deception and twisting the truth around.

I think its attracting attention everywhere.

Forums like this are a form of counseling as it lets you remove your frustrations that others don't bother to hear.

Well Guys, since my last post more developments, setbacks.... Decided to phone the Department with my trusty tape recorder, requesting a list of demands to be sent to me as per my lawyer request, and I got a snicker, and then the lady said we only have the safety plan which you already have. Then she went on telling me that she is going to apply to the courts to get a court order to stipulate that I cant have a relationship, (Male, enter my premises) Until my youngest daughter turns 18, that is for six years, we got into a heated discussion, and I ended up saying just send me the list of demands...I then spoke to someone else, and plucked up the courage to phone her back, and taped the conversation once again. All this time they have been saying that i cant have contact myself with my partner, but she changed her tune, and said yes as long as it doesnt interfere with the children, but she was on the assumption that part of my partners bail conditions was that I was to have no contact. Bet she is checking into that, as this would be the last thing she wants........Maybe I should become lesbian.....

Good evening all,

I am glad this thread is the talk of the town! That is exactly what we want - so that docs become more exposed to the community.

And good point about when all these children turn 18. They will know the truth and collectively there could be hell to pay. Think about all those little alter boys.
Right at this very point in time my child (who is still very young) is asleep. Mozart is playing softly in the background, stories have been read, dinner has been had (crumbed veal, 5 mashed veges, vanilla yogurt and 1/2 lamington finger afterwards), teeth brushed, and prior to all of this there was a quick swim and some drawing and colouring in. This is a usual evening and it was like this (but age appropriate back then) PRIOR to docs intervening in our lives. I had collected an art portfolio for the year 2005 (still have it) but 2006 is missing as this is when my child was removed from home here. I have extensive photographs all along the way - 4 large albums of them (now I am digital) but what I am trying to say is that docs don't really know what sort of parent you are, they just like to do their splitting thing and you instantly become the 'all bad' and they do their darndest (?spelling?) to portray you as fully evil.

And what was my crime? My thoughts, fantasies. I have the CSO saying that 'thoughts are enough for us...' when I said but I have never armed the child and have no intention of doing this.
This was said about 9 weeks after child was snatched.
It was 7 days after this most hated dept. took my child that I thought what is all this about? I was confused. As a nurse I come from a caring profession and stupid me thought this organisation was the same! ha ha ha. That's why I rang them to whinge in the first place.
The following week when I rang the CSO and challenged her about some of the rubbish that was written in her court paper (the one that states they want to take the child was an assessment period). She made lots of excuses. They were the first lies, it was alarming. It was here that I thought something is fishy. I raced out and brought a new computer and started documenting like crazy. I bought a new phone and little tape recorder after the solicitor told me to tape the environment whilst I had the CSO on loud speaker.
Initially I doubted myself but the inexperience, lies, and rubbish unprofessionalism was outstanding. First class in fact.
Where do I start to tell you what happened? I want to.

Extract from journal about taping -

...I had heard a car door shut close by, but ignored it as I thought it wouldn't be for me.
Then knock, knock - someone was at my front door.

It was the police.

Initially I wondered why the police were there as the I was the man flash his badge at me. Then I saw the little tape recorder and thought it was mine and in that moment of confusion I thought they were going to charge me for taping CSO#1 and her ilk on th ehone. All these thoughts happened so quickly and I was confused.

I let them into the diing table area to sit down. I was pleaseant and acted in my professional work manner.

They said they were sent by docs to ask me some questions. They had a little tape player just like mine and started to tape the conversation.
They asked me stuff like my name, d.o.b, address, child's name and d.o.b, father's name and where child was at that moment in time.
They told me their name and I now have a business card of this male. He looked like an ex criminal with a forced big smile on his face. His colleague was a young, tall and skinny girl with red hair called ....(she looked more sincere than the male who did all the talking).
They (rather he) said I have the right to remain silent and that what I said could be used against me. Theman asked me in my own workds did I understand. They said I have the right to have a solicitor present. I then excused myself and called my solicitor's secretary who in turn called solicitor on their mobile phone.
I asked them if they were part of SCAN. I did say that I was a registered psychiatric nurse too. I also asked them if I could tape them back whilst they were taping me and produced my little tape player that was a replica of theirs.
They didn't want me to do this.
Shortly afterwards solicitor rang me and told me to 'say nothing' and to 'get them out of there'. I relayed this message onto these police officers and then politely asked the police to leave my home....

All this was 2 months after child was 'snatched' and it was 2 full working days prior to the next court case.

I worte further into my journal...

Ithink this is another ploy of docs to try and get information to hang me by on Tuesday's court hearing. It smells like a conspiracy to me. What are they trying to prove? Something escapes me. Today I am still confused.
Docs would now have their own psychiatrist report stating that it is favourable tward me and child being reunited. Then I rang this docs psychiatrist who told me she rang docs to say they are 'underhanded' toward me in the way this is going.

Upon reflection docs must have madly written all t hose affidavits back the day before the court session in resonse to my numerous affidavits that were filed in court. Gee, they put a lot of energy into it. Affidavits from all of them. Is this becoming a waste of the tax payers' money?...

To get this part of my story in context the child was sent off to NSW to live with father (200km away from state border). I was told that my mother at 70yo was too old to be a kinship carer (all on tape)but my mother was as fit as a fiddle both in mind and body. docs moved my child interstate despite their own choosen psychiatrist stating that mother and child should be united.
docs wrote to father's solicitor and encouraged father to go for sole custody of child. They basically wanted to wipe their hands of this.
But it went on. There were so many twists to it. I won't let my story be forgotten.

Will write again,
Cheers.

Hi,

Oops freudian slip - now proof reading it. "never armed was intended to say never harmed". But I certainly am arming my child now aren't I? He will be fully aware, he will be armed against this government. He will be armed with the whole truth. He will be armed with knowledge.
cheers.

FUCKING RUBBISH!!!!!!

Let the bitch try to get a court order saying that you cant have a male enter your premises until the youngest is over 18.



I find that hard to believe!! Your partner and your Lawyer must have a copy of his bail conditions. The trouble with DOCS is they suffer from the size of fish syndrome where little Johnnie said he caught a fish this size (around 50mm) and before you know it the fish is a meter long.


Remember they try the same tricks on all of us, they tried the same rubbish with me. FUCK I was told by others that I committed a bank Robbery in another state. REMEMBER DON'T FUCKING RING THEM!!!!!!!!! If you need to speak to them or request anything put pen on paper and send it by registered mail otherwise they will do a XFILE and DENY EVERYTHING.

See DOCS have a habit of this and I have been told this at least 8 times by others including yes CATHY!! that they try to keep your husband and yourself separate for as long as possible until the investigation is over and they have a reason for this.
Tell me have they tried yet to get your Children to draw pretty picture yet? because you have read what I have said before how DOCS or SACS STACK the cards or in this case the crayons color in there favor.

They always try this intimidation crap oooOOOhh we will get a court order. let them because 80% of the time they won't get one because the magistrate isn't that stupid.

How do I know this? they tried this with my wife 3 times, did they get it NO! Could they have got it for my case NO! as the Magistrate would have never allowed it and DOCS know this.
ITS A PLOY THEY USE and trust me your Solicitor should know this.

I hope you gave your Child a good choice of colours to use.

This is very sad but as I hate Government has said before if and when the Police ever come to your door ask why are they here and if they are accusing you of something be polite and shut the door on them and never let them in the house without a search warrant and imminently contact a Solicitor for legal advice.

I find this very alarming and have passed this information onto an acquaintance at the University and will be taking this matter further. I spoke to my friend quickly at lunch as he is a lecturer teaching law and he has told me never has the above come to his or anyone else's attention that he is aware of. We spoke about this matter for a few more minutes, as he had to go but he is concerned as a person could be convicted by being found guilty by the jury all because of the decision being swung the other way by using darkly coloured pictures which could have been coerced out of a child by giving them a limited range of colours to draw with. I would advise you to speak to some very prominent lawyers in Queensland and ask them about this. If this is one of your ten or twenty that could possibly cause headaches for the government and the legal system, I would like to see the remaining. There is no doubt about it, you have been doing your homework and good on you for doing it.

thank you

I bet just about the entire population of Australia except for the Dochs scammers wouldn't know this, but I bet you if you rang a lawyer and told them about this their ego would say yes we know all about this but i would say they would know jack shit about it and say this just to make themselves sound good over the phone.

i'm reading with interest and have the same problems with this dept. all the DOCS want to do is put him in jail. (One of them told me so)


Sorry, I've done it again, I clicked edit instead of Quote.
I'll try again.

Shallowater
Good to see you here but on the other side if you're here means you have had or still experiencing problems with DOCS.
Please read everything I have written here on this site and write down the inportant things that could effect you and your family.

They still want to put me in jail buts its the other way around at the moment I want to put them in jail + I want to be compensated for all the trouble they have caused me and my family with all their lies which were not needed.
If you need any help you're welcome to PM message me.
Remember I am a nobody that is fighting this corrupt system here in QLD.
Please think outside the square with DOCS, Keep all records keep everything and you have to be one step ahead of them all the time. I want you to eat,sleep,dream, and think nothing but DOCS like I do to find what they have done wrong and in my case plenty including breaking the law and in my case they broke the law that bad that when the cop was put on the stand in a court of law the cop had no choice but to tell the truth to protects its pathetic arse.
Do you notice I mention COP, I don't say gender of the cop, just to create some confusion.

I do hope youre right, this is getting beyond the joke, our strength is diminishing, I dont know if i mentioned it before I think i did, that my partner was let out on bail, by the duty solicitor, and this place housed him, because of the hassle the person is causing all round, my partner phoned him this evening to ask nicely what is going on, and he said, get your gear out of my house this afternoon, now my partner was bailed to that address, and now we had to find him a hotel to stay in, and that person can now ring the police and say he has broken his bail conditions again, when does this stop

Thanks for that, the police came around last night and requested me to sign the trespassing statement, and i did refuse and say that isnt the facts, that wasnt what happened, so I expect they will be back tonight to find out where my parter is and get me to sign the papers again

When you're on bail the address where he lives has to be given to the police, If you change from that address you have to notify them again but we all know this can not be done instantly in a minute or the next hour or so, Ask your Lawyer and If you don't have one ring Legal aid and ask them the time limits that the Police have to be informed on his movement.

THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
Sign Nothing!!!
Please try to get some legal help ASAP.

Your bit more than a nobody mate as you have got the guts to stand up to what looks like a corrupt system.
By the way you will find more and more joining the forum soon because this topic about Child Safety and its dirty tactics has certainly attracted some attention after today lunch session at Uni.

Hello,

WantsJustice I want to you to know that I empathise with you in your situation.

Thank you ihategov for giving advice - I wouldn't know what to do. I would have to ring legal aid and quiz them about this scenario.

Reading all comments with great interest.

Cheers.

Young, old, man, women, we all have one thing in common and that is we all despise DOCS.

Hello again,

ihategov I will put those link onto this site so if others are interested in looking as well -

Horizons (internal docs magazines

http://www.childsafety.qld.au/magazine/2006-09/stafffocus1.html

........

and an interesting article on how 'Queensland again tops new spending on child safety'. It goes on to say how queensland is serious about child safety.The budge was A$503 million for 2006 - 2007.
(So think about that tax payers - where your money is going)

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/magazine/2007-02/index.html

.........

Can you all find it through this address? I basically goggled 'my department of child safety story' and that is how I came across this.

Now I don't know that much detail about court stuff and what ihatedocs is explaining about albeit it is very interesting.

Just what do you viewers want to hear about. Have you got any questions for us? Don't be afraid to write something.

cheers.

PS the first link does not work.


3 Million Dollars BOOST!!!

Next year it will be more.
Because we have a useless Government with a endless pit of money to waste on DOCS.

Hello,

I have come across data that quotes statistics on how many in every 100 children/ families have dealings with this most hated government department. Do you want me to find out some more statistics like this?

I can also write extracts from my personal journal from when docs was involved in our lives - I can tell you the events surrounding me finding out my child was abused whilst in foster care nad how docs were hushing it up. Is this relevant to place on this forum?
..........
Also I got a letter back from CMC today, it reads -

Dear .........,

RE: YOUR CONCERNS

Thank you for your letter of 26 September, in which you request information about your complaint to the CMC concerning officers of the Department fo Child Safety.
As advised in our letter to you of 28 December 2007, the matter has been referred to the department to deal with, subject to the CMC's monitoring role. The department has a legislative obligation to advise you about how it has decided to deal with your concerns.
In order to further your queries about the progress of the matter, please contact Mr......, themanager of the department's Ethical Standards Unit on (07) 3247 5977.
I trust the above infromation is of assistance.
Yours sincerely,

........

...........................................

I must admit with these letters that I receive I keep openning them up thinking that some letter is going to read 'stop fucking with us (docs i.e.)- we will screw you once and for all..'.

Nothing like a bit of paranoid thinking surrounding any dealings/ complaints against this most hated government department!!
But I think a bit of paranoia is warranted as I have seen first hand what can happen.
The ex CSO told me that some of them are 'vindictive'.
I know at the end of the day there is nothing safe about the department of child safety.
It is not about what is in the best interests of the child.
And as my old psych. lecturer used to say - 'and who's needs are we meeting?' - that was in response to the way in which we might deal with patients in our care.
Q: So I ask this question now in regards to docs and 'whose needs are these corrup docs workers meeting?'.
A: I think it is to boost up their own egos. Probably (women) with very little power in their own lives.
cheers.

You know what guys, I thank God I found this site, you are what gives me/us inspiration to fight and not alone. I am posting this website on all of my pages I have, and hope that others in the same situation join, I know there are thousands out there in the same boat as us, but have no idea what to do or where to start to fight of the most evil department ever created.

This has also become so political now too, someone has to take up a stand to these murdering bastards.

I would like to thank you all for your fantastic support and advise.

You have my blessing go for it.



Yes it is as it shows how DOCS tries to cover its mistakes.


This what I don't like about the CMC, You ring them with a complaint which is logged and they send you back to DOCS and all they do is try to protect their own.
Trust me its only when there is a big stink that the CMC comes out of the woodwork and decides to do something.
So lets give the CMC something to smell starting here.

You know this out of control Department of Child Safety with a budget of over a half a billion dollars wants more money from the State Government so it can employ more CSO's, More CSO's More the kids about to be stolen from their parents for whatever reason.
Trust me some parents today do deserve a visit from DOCS and deserve to never see their kids again but I will say it again because I have not said it this week.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR ONLY CRIME IS STANDING UP TO THE DOCS BITCH and everything after that escalates out of control by some well placed lies, and weeks later the lies of DOCS Continues by some well placed Crayons, (luckily that my eldest picked that and complained to them about having 15 crayons and out of that only three were of a lighter colour).

Please All.

New members Joining but not posting but PM'ing me for information

I will not answer any more question VIA PM's regarding anything to do with the Department of Child Safety or other matters for a new member that have just joined and have not posted yet. .
Its not fair for me as this morning I has 18 PM's from non posting members,yes members that have joined but have not posted at all.
I know possibly you are scared to post on this site for whatever reason as DOCS will intimidate you and threaten you if you go public (usual trick I will take your kids of you, and how do I know this! they said this to my wife) but to hell with DOCS as you have the given right to go anywhere and do what you want except for giving confidential information of a child under 18, and the bitches names and addresses on any forum.
Mind you after the bitch gets convicted in a court of law the above is a bit different.

I missed this one, and you are 100% spot on, never truer words spoken.

Im reading stuff sent to me in the mail, AT THE MOMENT. i will see were this goes.

Fucking hell!!
I don't know If i'm allowed to mention what school where this info came from but at a P&C meeting here at a public school in North Brisbane DoCS has been knocking on the door of the principals office daily for a full week, The lady speaking at the P&C said its not unusual for them to come to the school two or three times a week but this is starting to become ridiculous.

Fuck I hate the CSA and now DoCS

Poor bastard! DoCS are going to fill this forum with that many dudes that you will regret your ever started it