Hello,

Yes, Ihategov I like that bit you wrote -
if there were NO LIES then there would be NO FORUM!!!
I am so glad that docs targeted you ihategov because by picking on you ( a person who can get this forum happening) look at what monster they have inadvertently created!
So in a round about way those unethical power hungry docs idiots have had a reverse effect from their lies. Jolly good. It is funny how things work out in the end isn't it?

Now the truth is getting out there - what is the view count tonight folks? Yesterday it was 50,000. So this message is certainly getting out there.

I also would like to add to that 'dying wish' commment to see this government be brought to justice. Yes, I am in it for the long haul too. I too want to do what I can to expose docs. And if I/ we might die before it happens we will be leaving our children (and their offspring) an unusual legacy. They will have the stories, the facts and the truth about this government department.

About the police. The small article is on page 8 of the Courier Mail today and I think page 13 in the Bulletin. See where it goes?!

Today I have to tell you that we (i.e. you, me the people) have had a win with docs. As you know I am all too aware about docs from past personal experiences. And as you know I now advocate for my clients when docs are involved in their lives in a professional capacity. All I can say is that the parent got the child back. It didn't go to court. Docs acted in a professional manner. I did not see any dodgy deals being handed out.
What a sense of relief. Incidentally (for those who might wonder)I do believe I can separate myself emotionally from what happened in my family with docs and act in a professional manner to represent my clients. And on a personal level it is very empowering -let me tell you this.

Yet having said the bit above I continue to learn more about child protection (from this forum and from ex CSO's) and when I reflect upon what happened to us I am still baffled.
Only today I learnt that if the child is young - like infant, toddler you can be requesting constantly (daily) to have access to your child. Write your request in writing, get your solicitor to get a letter into them requesting the same thing for more access visits. The department should recognise this is in the child's best interests. Also your child should only go to foster care as the last possible resort. You may need to ask all your family members 'would you take the child?' You need to organise this yourself and then inform docs of whatever relative can take the child. Get the family member to ring docs too and request that the chid goes with them and get that child out of foster care. And that the relative is in this same state of course. And remember 'are they willling to look after the child; are they able to look after the child'. This is what you need to prove to docs.

I thought last night that it all becomes a bit like a uni assignment where you have to state your arguement and back it up with reasoning. It's kind of like playing acaedemia but in a real life situation - your kids are involved! Your kids whole well being is at stake here!
e.g. I believe I am willing and able to look after the child as I have learnt from my mistakes and changed my way of doing things so that I will not slip into this dilemma again, I have undertaken counsellling to gain greater insights into why I keep going back into that domestic violent relationship. I understand my triggers for drug use and have worked on a contingency plan with my supports. I have attended a triple P parenting course (lifeline course - whatever) whereby I have learnt how to deal with difficulties that may arise in the future by blah blah blah.

Yes, I still think it is all just a legal game. Learn the rules of the game, wise up to how docs cheat. And as I observed in court the person who lies the most actually wins.

I've said it again it isn't about child safety - and it couldn't be further from the truth.
regards.

thisisgood
If I could get every docs cso to read this site and tell them i'm watching maybe they might think twice before blatantly lying like they did in my case and if that saves one family from going through what we went through this forum has been worth it.

This thread alone has gone up 105 views in the last 10 minutes.
Hi ALL!

edit a typo, always in a hurry (not all the time)

In the time that it took me to type out that rather long posting on another docs site I now realise this topic has gone up 600 views.
Total all up todate is approx. 62,000 views!

Well In the last 24 hours, they proved themselves so to be corrupt and lying once again. This time my two daughters had a go at them. Monday just passed I received a call from my eldest daughter distressed, saying that the department were getting the court order to remove my younger daughter, as someone has reported my partner entering the house, which i have covered in a previous post, to cut a long story short, they phoned my eldest daughter today and said if they hear from my youngest daughters words that my partner didnt come over saturday night, they would believe her......My eldest daughter had a go at the worker, whilst this was on loudspeaker, then my younger daughter spoke to her and had a go at her, and told her a thing or two. My daughter even asked them what happened to the so called evidence and witness, no answer, so she added that the gentleman that is doing the reporting to the police and docs, (whom we know) is going to get a shock as both my daughter and I are pressing charges against this man, as he has been harrassing us from day dot, snooping, phoning, stalking, and even telling my partner about me, and vise versa, and finally making false reports to police and docs. This gentleman was the sponsor for my partner when he got out on bail, court appointed, and got chucked out of the slum he was living in by this person also, then he had the audacity to report to the police he has broken his bail. But all in all even though my two daughters stood up for them selves, it probably hasnt done any good, but it made me feel good that my two daughters stood up to them and stood up for the truth.

Good on them.
See this is what DOCS does to you.
My eldest daughter has change big time ever since the department abused her, lied to her on a few occasions, trying to entrap her by saying "quote" you better tell us everything now as your brother has just told us everything (kids in separate rooms) which was a lie as her young brother had nothing to say and there was never ever anything to say, because these whores from hell stole him from school and interrogated a child without one of his parents or anyone present and all they achieved was making an 8 year old boy cry.
Till today my son is angry what they did to him, the above has been recorded by our family doctor on a few occasions, my children were sent to professional counsellors of our choice to be counselled and after two sessions they the counsellors did not believe that it was possible what the children said to them about what DOCS did to them, as it took my intervention to both the counsellors where I bought with me some hard evidence what happened and even then both the doctors only half believed myself and my children and I was deeply offended but after one year passed I forcefully passed onto them more evidence
and slowly convinced them who DOCS really are.

back on again. that was an expensive little trip! anyway. i'm back.
i have'nt read the last couple of pages, so thats what i'll be doing and report back later.

Hello,
reading it all with great interest.

I'd like to know where my grandchildren are....and id like my name cleared....BUT most of all i would like to see the government held accountable for the inaction of their own agency's abuse, intimidation, lies, and oppression.
I am the voice of the murdered and abused children and that of the relative carers and carers whoare not as determined or strong as I am in the fight for justice and accountabilityof The department of Child"safety" and its equally dishohonest agencies.

You have to deal with SACS, there actually worst than DOCS when it come to lying.

Hello,

Have you parents ever considered the issue of not over compensating by over indulging your child because they were once snatched away by docs?

I am pondering upon this myself at this point in time in my child's life.
I also think I may have alway over compensated child because father doesn't pay maintenance and for a long time bought nothing. and then woud tell me to 'spare nothing on child'.

I felt guilt that chid had this man as a father.

Hi all its been a long time since I have been on this forum and I can see that membership has increased drastically.
Can someone please tell me when the department of child safety interviews your children how many times are they allowed to ask the same question over and over because my opinion is this amount of times its deemed to be badgering.
I don't want to start up Child Safety again in our live but I would like to ask this question.

My Children were asked over 5 times the same question over and over again.
For those that have not read my story please read.
http://www.aus-city.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=31153&page=9

They hound the children until they give them the answer they WANT them to give......one Manager at Mermaid Beach , after a child telling him and a team leader about the father stubbing cigs out on his mother( whom has the scars) that he was lying.
This was done in front of the mother and independant witness and grandmother.

Oh calling the children liars is a famous one when it's going against the Department or their foster carer's...especially when the foster carer's trump up bs to go against the parent in court...the lies are thick with the department and go along way! And that can be from the children too, not often but it can...

The amount of questioning to a child should be interpreted as not only harrassment but also brainwashing b/c DChS would state a something repeatedly and say isn't that what happened? and keep on with that line of questioning and the poor kids would be thinking 'huh, what's this idiot on about?'

Unfortunately kids end up thinking they were abused when taken long enough and not given any reasons just so they can cope with their situation easier...mind games from the Department...who's abusing who!

they show their lack of knowledge in the way they conduct themselves.....all power down with any gov dept....the only way they are getting away with this crap is because of the inaction of those up the line. Children's magistrates are as much to blame as the others who know and are employed by them, that is a very frightening thing to go through for any person.......

The crisis mob are as bad.....and very dangerous.....i watched them for two days and finally in the hot sun outside a MacDonalds try and force a child to see grandparents they say were "mean" to them and who constantly ridiculed one.......this wee man was vomiting the nite before....and these bullies forced them continually to see them..these boys rights were and still are being violated.....thanks Mermaid beach branch......i am still calling for class action and accountability.......

Your so right when you talk about magistrates are as much to blame when orders are granted without proof on the Department's end...but they are deciding in the best interest of the child if a parent is unable to respond to or know how to respond to the Depart.

I was just a lucky parent who was able to catch on really quick how to do that and talented enough to both open my mouth and speak up for myself and demanding the proof of such and such of crap (didn't say that but along them lines and that's from watching too much CSI, Criminal minds and other legal shows..Judge Judy! LOver her) anyway and then managed to respond with affidavits.

The parent unfortunately does have to know what to say, do and perform when in court, dress, act and feel the part of a lawyer, it worked for me and I felt I acted the part well...it helped win my case and I came across better than my estranged partner and other ex's lawyers, the sep rep and DChS lawyers...

Parents can do it, they need knowledge and support like you said kickemout...

i have yet to see any uplifting orders from any court.........when my eldest grandson was abducted....he ran out of their office onto the canal near Pacific fair and pleaded with a man to phone me, gave my name and number, but the marauders found him and shut up the chap who found him......I am saying they must have doped him to get him on a plane...to fly him away up north

That is disgusting, that's how my children were treated and they call us parents the abusers? Yeh right, if they were safe from us why would they want to run from safety back to harm?! Tell me that one....

but you see the magistrate isn't aware of these sorts of incidents when children are taken and it's these sorts of things that can be exactly put into affidavits against the department, the courts need to know the full story, and the truthful one at that and pinpoint which area's the department is lying telling the proper account of details...

The same thing happened to us where my children were being interviewed and asked the same thing a minimum of three times, if not up to 5 for my youngest. We have written our own journal on a daily basis as to what was happening and after each visit to one of these temples of doom, the children immediately went to see our family doctor, where they showed the journal and what they wrote in it on the way home on the train.

I have forgotten to ask my solicitor about this but it is a form of child abuse.

Hi,

LovingMyKids you are SO right. I was one of those little people who had no idea. I have a brother who studied law (but never practiced despite finished it all) and I rang him very early in the peace with all this. He didn't know what to do - even he had NO idea.
So I can just palm it off that I am a dumb nurse but even someone trained in law.
I so wonder about the average Joe out there and how they are managing in it all.
And I am so pleased for you that you caught on really quickly as to what it is all about.

I've said it before but I have to just say it again - it just ain't about what's in the best interests of the child.
"There is nothing safe about the department of child safety."

It is just a game to these corrupt docs workers and see how far they can go with their lives.

We lucky that capital punishment isn't around anymore. Wow, I would be publically hung for my thoughts. Hmm, another time and place they would have just burnt me at the stakes.

I meant to write lies not lives.

Yep, it is hard to write here and race off to watch the TV too.
And just what do us 'bad parents' watch?
Answer - Australian Idol like any body else.

Gasp you watch Australian Idol?!?! Then you MUST be a bad parent thisisgood

hahahaha, I don't watch that rubbish. I need a rest now, the poll finished me off tonight.

its gotta be better than witnessing abuse on our children by gov depts

I don't know where to start reading?

that is the depth of it all.....The great australian shame.....child safety

And they're getting away with it but will they always?

Congratulations!! 60,000 Views on this thread.
Don't worry although the others had a late start like only last week or so they will catch up.

Hi,

Do you know if one of you rang DOCS anonymously and said 'I have concerns... that woman is a bad mother... I hear her screaming at her child every day...I am concerned about the poor child....I think you people have been involved in that poor child's life before....please look into it.... etc'

I BET $ 1,000,000,000 that docs would be out here in a flash, interview, twist, lie, write what they want to enable them to snatch and grab and make a case up because they have taken child away before.

Anyone disagree out there? We could prove this to be true. Wanna bet.


Oh shit, here's docs at my door, they're saying I am putting my child at risk because I have flaunted this fact on the net and dared you.
Bye bye child.............................................

love your bad mother
xxxxxxx

ok, I am bit of a sicko.

But I have a point and most know this to be true.

What do you think of this Justice4All.

Well thisisgood, on that note I have made 4 complaints over the years for issues of severe concern I witnessed and nothing was done. Nothing, not even an investigation! I give up...and these people are known to the law for drug dealing, dv, drunken episodes, been to court for attempted murder on their partner and the list goes on and on and on as well as the criminal history!

So it is better you bet carefully and any way if you had that sort of money, you would've won your case down flat with the right barrister! LOL

Can you lend me some? LOL

Oh and also you can't now complain anonymously, Crisis care want names from the person making the complaint or they don't take the complaint seriously...I tried that one too. I still didn't give a name when they insisted and 1 other time I did.

my brain's not working that clearly today, far too much paper work for a Monday at work!

What did you want me to comment on thisisgood?

No anonymous complaints? That's news to me.

Mind you, complaints are never anonymous... They come up in affidavits. Oh, DoCS might say it was a "neighbour" or a "teacher" but parents aren't stupid and it does make those giving notifications very easy to identify.

Oh yeh they gave the riot act of not disclosing my details etc...I felt like saying, you did in my case even if it was via a hint...

DoCS will do whatever suits their agenda... And there is always an agenda.