Well in future I think I will keep all comments, suggestions and information to myself until it's asked for! hahaha

Ha ha, I am laughing too. You will get hammered on this site if you ever state that docs could ever be right in any little thing!
And yes Justice4All we all really do appreciate your input very much.
I am glad you are thick skinned and don't get offended easily!
Cheers.

Good night,
Talk to you all tomorrow.
I have to get some sleep.

One problem is that not enough people put up their hand to be counted.

Another problem is that too many people are all show and no go.

If a parent genuinely wants action, they need to be 100% committed to taking it... This also means they have to be prepared to bear their soul and have their "dirty laundry" aired and be able to withstand the flak that will come from it.

They also have to be prepared to put in the hard yards. Because it will take the hard yards to get to a point where any case against the government (which is who we are up against) can be actioned.

Also, parents who have court orders against them are legally unable to do a thing that will expose their child/ren to the possibility of being identified. So they can't make a move until DoCS is completely out of their lives.

we mustnt be harsh on them rainbowchaser...some have more courage than others, am sure that when they hear and see this they will come forward....we all know what a lonely road it is....and as humans we are all different in how we handle situations....and lets face it , the morons are experts at this, theyve been doing it for centuries...... and they hold the ace with their threats if their agents dont toe the line.....the identity thing is nothing but a cop out on their part...there are other ways of doing things....but that doesnt suit them.

Oh I wasn't being harsh, I was just stating fact.

And this has not only come from what I have observed but what I've seen within myself as well.

Actually the identity thing is a genuine law. Children who are in the custody of DoCS or are living at home but subject to any kind or order are legally protected from being identified in any way, shape or form. Not only are they physically protected from the relative who would abuse them, but their identity is also protected.

It is a fact and sad, but that is the way some people are.....they have the attitude that you cant fight city hall.....but this is the 2st century and we can.....there is power in the people, and the more that see there are things being done, they will come forward.

hi all
i have just found this site, so far it has confirmed what we are now going thru...
our seventeen and a half year old son split from his ex...the ex and her new man put my sons 5 month old daughter into hospital on several occassions (son was unaware) fractures ect: docs are involved (6 months) but so far have come up with one excuse after the other about why my son( who is the non-offending parent and who has a clean history) cannot have his daughter...age , willing or able the list goes on, every time it looks like we are getting somewhere they throw up more hoops for him to jump thru....we travel 5 hours every week so he can see her (one visit)...the ex and her family won't be getting her (so docs say) they have said time and again that my son will get her...the husband and i applied for kinship and were cleared for our blue cards but now because of a malicious phone call from a family member docs have put a stop to the proceedings and have said because hubby has been to jail (40 years ago at the age of 17) he is deemed as dangerous and that unless the son and i admit to hubby being dangerous they will have to start from scratch again...i am soooooo frustrated and sad for my son and granddaughter who are the innocent parties here...(my son has to live at home at the moment, due to an injury he is on unemployment)the son has been having un-supervised visits for the past month but i am betting that will change...they even came out and did a saftey inspection and said everything was fine ....the solicitor is still saying it's all going good (court ordered conferance in december)but these people scare the hell out of me...
chasing my tail wen

my grandchildren were given back to a repeat offender.....with a very long criminal history, they too said that the children could not return to either parent.....but his father has mates in gov, that make the records disappear....charges /allegations of sexual abuse against another chhild were never checked out , and according to him,re his latest partner, he used to have sex with her when she was ten yrs old and babysitting her......
nor was he charged by mermaid beach for carnal knowledge on my own daughter....hard to figure isnt it. That is only some of the details...on record.

hahaha yes indeed! I definately am thick skinned as I think most of the people on this forum are, or have to be after dealing with Child Safety! I'm glad that people are able to say how they feel about things and not be judged for it. I also like the fact that people stand up for themselves and what they believe in because I wouldn't want it any other way.

Nice thoughtful opinion Justice4all, your name rings true to your character! You've obviously seen some real cases of abuse and I'm sorry that there are kids out there who are getting abused!

Child Safety clearly have a role to play in society, let's hope that do get harder on those who are clearly abusing their or other's children.

Hi,

Wen - welcome to this forum. We want you to know that you are not alone. We will try to support you in anyway we can here. And we are sorry that your experiences have lead you here.

they are setting you up.....

No, it's not normal.

It's usual practice for a CSO to speak to those involved with a child in a "meeting" setting that includes the principal of the school, the teacher, the guidance officer if applicable, the chaplain too if necessary... Those who are involved with the child.

To speak to a teacher alone is NOT normal.

I don't think it's even legal.

I say this because even though the school may be obligated to abide by whatever order they have a copy of in the child's file - the principal of the school needs to be present at any interview to in the least support his staff member.

the education dept are also gov....and their role today is to dumb down the population....I think we are getting to educated , that is why they break their own laws.

I would expect that the CSO is doing the following...

~ Trying to establish how the child is doing in class and in the play ground.

~ Trying to establish what the child's education is like - how well or how badly they are doing.

~ Trying to gain information on how regularly the biological relatives are or were involved with the school.

~ Trying to possibly obtain access to the child's school file (some teachers keep the files in the classroom).

~ Trying to gain information on what the child's school lunches are like - if the child comes to school in or out of uniform - whether the uniform/clothing is clean or dirty.

~ Trying to find out whether the child attends school regularly - is often or always late - whether absences are mysterious or accompanied by a letter from the parent.

I would treat the knowledge of the CSO speaking privately with the teacher as a head's up... DoCS are very good at making something out of nothing.

It may be that it's common practice for the school to allow DoCS to speak with teachers alone... I would contact the principal and query them about that.

I've found that many schools actually have no idea where they legally stand in regard to DoCS and therefore follow the lead of DoCS even when they shouldn't.

I had an instance where the previous school my children were attending was absolutely ignorant. They wouldn't make a move until they got the green light from DoCS.

I ended up writing a very terse letter to the principal and informing him that I maintained guardianship of my children and if I gave the approval for X to occur then it was to occur and had nothing to do with permission from the carer or the CSO.

i would suspect that they are fabricating more evidence against you for their equally corrupted tribunal mob....these dolts told my solicitor he had no duristiction in the tribunal....hows that for justice?

I've never been to the Tribunal and I really don't know much about it.

But if DoCS want to spout about jurisdiction I'll play that game.

Last week I took my solicitor and my barrister to a reunification plan meeting and both of them were WELL out of their jurisdiction. LOL

My guess kickemout is that DoCS do not like your solicitor!!!

when you get there you are in for a shock, they are working with the dpt and are nothing but a pack of corrupted nobodies with a ticket to give hell to anyone whom dares take their case that far......

Wow, sounds like fun... Not.

I'll never get to the Tribunal. I'm at reunification and the only people who can fail the plan is DoCS and they know it (kudos to my barrister and an air tight reunification plan).

If DoCS fail the plan, we go straight to trial and DoCS are well aware of it.

what is needed is public meetings of demand to hold them accountable

Unfortunately they can't be held accountable for all their failings. They're covered by the Child Protection Act 1999. It's written in the Act that they can not be made accountable.

Only certain things they can be made accountable for, but that's through the CMC.

The CPA '99 needs to be completely revised.

Oh, they revise it every few years... But only single words are changed. No sections, paragraphs or lines are ever changed.

International law holds more weight than ammnended crap which only serves to protect the gov offenders.....the problem is governing bodyies have too much say.....when they break their own laws then there is no law.....only thugs

Yes - that holds true with DoCS too.

Until CSOs leave...

Then they are fair game!!

While a CSO is employed by DoCS - DoCS has their back and will close ranks to protect that worker.

But if a CSO moves to employment elsewhere - they can be civilly sued and DoCS won't touch it.

and they are very easily found.....I know where all concerned are in my case.....and look out whenever i run into them.....I have a very loud voice, and am not intimidated by these morons....bottom line is ...all those up the line are as accountable, and condone this serial behaviour.

LOL

Go the loud voices!!

My loud voice contributed to my supposed Bi-Polar Disorder (I tend to get very loud when ticked off).

But, according to my barrister, I'm "boisterous".

Yes, the upper rungs of the DoCS ladder are where the problems arise.

I have had the same Team Leader for over a year now. But through her I've had 5 different CSOs. Originally I had CSOs who had the "ability" to handle an opinionated parent (what a joke).

Each time I got into the head of a CSO, the worker was changed.

The current CSO that I have has spent over a year letting everyone else talk for her. If she was ever asked something in a meeting - she would look to another person to answer the question.

It's only been this month that she's found the ability to talk and not only has she opened her mouth - but she's pulled rank on her Team Leader.

My barrister reckons my CSO is the best ally that I have at DoCS (the jury is out on that one). She reckons that this particular CSO is really trying to get my girls home... We will see.

id like to see those morons take one of those ridiculous tests.....how many would be found to be incompetent....lets face it ...they arent normal....or this crap would not be happening.....

They're not normal, they're brainwashed.

Not to mention that they're unhealthy, illiterate, many talk with a speech impediment and their enunciation and grammar is deplorable.

"What I done was arksed the carer if she can supply a healthy snack for X and she arksed me to arks you not to feed X processed food".

It's not illegal for a CSO to speak to a school teacher or any other professional alone. It doesn't need to be in the setting of a meeting either.

They can talk to the teacher before the child or foster carer arrives, or even after the meeting has been held.

I'm sick of this professional crap! people that think their better than a average person.

Anyone can be a professional at something, anything or noting. Professional is just a title (and probably one that is over used).

Yes that is very true.

I use the term "professional" lightly. Anyone can indeed be a professional.

Hmm, what would that make us? Professional child abusers?

Now there's a title!

In the eyes of DoCS that is all we are - regardless of the fact that we might have been forced to leave our jobs or forced to take extensive time off work that the government certainly doesn't compensate for.

If you're working and need to be at your job instead of a meeting - you have no interest in the welfare of your child.

ok, excuse my ignorance. What tribunal? What are you talkig about? Please explain to me - thanks.

Children's Services Tribunal.

I think most states have them - the one for QLD is in Brisbane.

It's a body of professionals from different fields (I think 5, but perhaps 3) who will hear a parent/child/caregiver/relative/foster carer (anybody really) and make a decision to uphold a DoCS decision or recommend it be thrown out.

People need to meet certain criteria before they can go before the Tribunal.

professional thugs is more the term

Yes, thugs who are addicted to their own power.

I pity the parent who gets the newbie CSO who is gungho about impressing their superiors and progressing up the career ladder... They're the worst kind.

I pity any parent dealing with any officer of this Department let alone any other government dept.

hey guys iam 12 and at my school i have a girl named Emma she was removed from her home with DOCS She hated her mother so TODAY i was talking with this boy with emma so this boy said my dad will hit me if i tease him Then The Girl Emma Said The Boy NEEDS DOCS i Replied Docs Are evil she said no they arnt so i said well think what every you want They Brainwashed you so i Think she is Brain Washed and she is so upsest with DOCS So when they Interview Them I think Thye Brainwash Them those evil idiots

You are a very bright lad or lady, especially for 12...it's good to see your looking out for other kids...good on you...

All I can say is out of the mouths of babes....comes the truth! Jesus knew what he was talking about didn't he?!

yes he did iam a lad lol but this girl really makes me feel slack for her .