Agriculture I think or something like that.
She will get pissed of now because we are talking about her

I think I invented the word, and DOCS are responsible for turning me thisway.

Yes,
Cathy has to be cool about this as she certainly likes to stir the pot both here and behind the scenes on the PM's.
Hey Cath, any publicity has to be good - doesn't it?
Where are you tonight girl? What you must have a social life or something? That shouldn't be allowed!
Good bye now but not forever...

when Docs interview children....they intimidate them, call them liars, try bribing them, and stand over them until they get what they want from them....right or wrong....my how democracy and justice have disappeared in the age we are in.....all power down to these morons tagged as government.

Like your display name indicates KICKEMOUT, at first when I looked at it it reminded me of when they kicked me out of my house for two years on a fat LIE!

later tonight I will post more from my journal whilst docs were involved in our lives.

Just be careful what you put in it not that DoCs can do anything about it.

hi,

yes, thanks for that advice. It is not naming any names just mainly a chronological account of what happened.
After I write it if anyone thinks I should edit some of it I will. I am open to suggestions and I am realising that by writing it out for all to see I am also exposing myself in the way in which I think and deal with things.

Fucking Service pack 3!
Just updated windows to service pack 3 and like expected it caused me a head ache!!! FUCK conflicts with my firewall as I don't use XP firewall

Hello,

Extract from my journal -

conversation with CSO X 20 March 2006

"... I then ask about the issue of my child going back to the day care mother's as is usual routine (past 2 years of child's life). Again CSO X said child is fine and doesn't need to go to daycare mothers anymore. I asked CSO X if reunification is the goal now. It is not.
She confirms that they will probably try and get 1 years extension to keep child away from me.
CSO X said I have to stay on medication long term and stop taking it at my will (additional note:- I was on an anti-depressant for post natal depression that my doctor advised me to take for 2 years, but not written anywhere; and this CSO is telling me this off her own back without any medical advice; and of course I can get pharmacy printouts of all the antidepressant medication I had dispensed over that past year period from child being a few months old to 2 years old - yes, I have that record in my possession).
CSO X told me I have to stick to one G.P. and that is part of my problem (wow what do you do when you can't get into your usual GP? Yep, you book into another one). CSO X told me that I needed to focus on my issues.

Later I rang mum.
She said CSO X has rung her that same morning. CSO X told my motyher that all this ringing around other departments may work against me.
I said but mum I just trying to find out reasons and policies that this department is making. I need t oinfrom myself so that I can gather any ammunition if needed.

22 March 2006 - I find a new solicitor.

23 March - my weekly access visit with child. Mum comes along for access visits now. My child's orange bibby is absolutely filthy. It is shades of dark brown. I am amazed.

24 March - 2nd appointment with docs chosen psychiatrist. This person gives me 2 pearls of wisdom - 1. not to ever expect support from the child's father and 2. get a good solicitor.
This psychiatrist informed me that she was going to recommend that child and I be reunited.
docs would have been privy to this opiinion at this time as well.

27 March 2006 - I ring a person who is an expert in the field of infant/parent attachment stuff. (Remember my child is now 3 1/2 years old), the psychiatrist recommended her. I talk to her about getting an assessment down with her.

I am now gathering affidavit material as per new solicitor's request.

My work colleague becomes amazing support. She takes an interest in what docs are doing andreads all the literature that is being pumped out. She said I sound worse than some of our sickest patients in the long term stay psychiatric ward (where I am in charge at times of the shift).
She states she had no idea docs worked like this. She said she would really want to make sure a child was bieng abused before doing mandatory reporting as a Registered Nurse.

I am becoming more aware of mandatory reporting as it has been introduced into Queelsnad Health for Registered Nurses. Every ward is now fitted with paperwork to complete even if we have suspicions and no obvious signs. The ante on mandatory reporting has increased in the year 2006. I start to become aware of what docs are doing with mental health clients. Once this was left to the social worker. I even attend inservice on this topic and can access heaps of stuff about docs throught the q'ld health intranet service. It looks all glossy on the outside - I must say.

30 March - weekly access visit at the departmental playgroup. Child still in foster care and I am only given one access visit per week that goes for 2 hours dispite me asking for more access visits. This time I had a large bag of child's winter clothes and toys. I am worried about well this foster family seem to provide for my child.

3 April - I am brought in for a meeting with CSO X and her direct supervisor. Just me alone (where was my new solicitor? She would have been made aware of this). Supervisor does most of the talking. They seemed to have what they wanted to say planned ahead. They weren't ready to listen to me I could see this. They said they did not have their psychiatrist report in yet (Addit; see they would have probably been told over the phone and not actually had it in writing) but they planned to go either of 2 ways. One was for a 12 month protection order or for child to go interstate and move 200km accross boarder into father's care as the father had now been given the clear.

Supervisor asked me about the planned termination and adoption thing. I informed her that I was once a por-active member for Children by Choice. I was even on the committee - I said as facing an unplanned pregnancy I wanted to make an infomed decision. She didn't seem to like that - I read the expresion on her face. She still wouldn't to this day know that I had a specialist appointment booked as well - but medical records could prove all this.

CSO X and her supervisor said but you said you were going t harm the child. I never said I was homicidal towards child but they weren't going to listen. 'But you said..' - it all seemed reminiscent of when the father said but you said you were going to terminate the foetus.
I left not crying but got out of there into the safety of my car where I could be alone.

That very night I had nightmares - I dreamt child was wearing a little dressing gown and was wet through with urine. I was helping child change into clean clothes.
I then woke and realised I was dreaming and that I was wet with perspiration. Then I dreamt I was paralysed down my right side and was trying tomove but getting tangled up in the bushes around my deceased nana's old home. Then I dreamt I was looking at nana's old bathroom. I saw this green bath that had the old claw legs and thought oh I'm glad chlid isnot here because the bath was brimming to the top with water. I didn't have any thoughts in my dream of harming child but because of the 'you said....' I thought I would be aproblem with the water if child was present. It was all bizarre dreams and I was distressed by it all through the night.

5 April 2006 - I rang docs chosen psychiatrist after work to enquire whether the report was completed and sent off to docs.

I then rang CSO X. She said that 'thoughts are enough for us.' when I said but I have never harmed child and have no intention of doing this.
Later CSO X rang back and said after father's access visit docs decided to send child back off with them (father and his old parents). Child now boing interstate to live in NSW.
I was a bit shocked.
I put the phone on loud speaker so my girlfriend who was in the house with me could listen in as well. CSO X said court was still going ahead the following week. I felt that this all sounds like it is over.
I felt that decisions were made and all the affidavit material was now useless. CSO X told me that father was now preparing to apply for sole custody of child in NSW courts and docs would 'opt out if the family law' handed chlid over to father. I said but what if father then gives child back to me? CSO X told me that docs would intervene take child off me and take me back to court. (I said this as father never wanted child before.)
She went on about how I had a clear plan about suiciding with child in the car and had 'verbalised this a number of times". (I ask when?)
I said but that is not true I keep telling you I am not suicidal and would not harm child.
CSO X pushed off this subject and brushed me off - this is very evident when listening to the tapes now - it's all on tape.

CSO X did NOT inform me of any abuse that occurred whilst infoster care, which I later find out from father.

I rang a few people like mum, my friends, the daycare mother, the woman I was trying to set up to do an assessment on us re: attachment stuff and docs chosen psychiatrist.
The daycare mum put it into context that child is best with family rather than being in foster care. That was good and I agree iwth this. I think I wasjust in shock and felt this was now finalised.
Mum said if the father and his parents have child then they would eventually want to give child back as the lifestyle change would be great and so 'take a fool's advice and don't get any more solicitor's involved...'. Mum knew how much this was costing me financially.

Docs chosen psychiatrist actually rang me back that Wednesday 5 April to say she thought docs were being 'underhanded' with me in this situation and not even considering her report ( which was recommending that child be reunited with mother and that she cannot see that child is at risk of harm from me).
This psychiatrist said she was going to ring up docs herself and have a chat.
She said she felt I really needed some support professioinally as well as my friends and family at this time. I follow her advice on this.

Somewher around this time I also speak with CSO X's supervisor who clearly informs me that reunification is not the goal. I think that is interesting considering docs chosen psychiatrist opinion would be available to docs as it is to me.

6 April - my weekly access visit is canned due to child now being 200km away accross the boarder. Child is living with the grandparents even though father lives only 4 kilometres from their house.
during my next access visit with child I send piles of clothes and piles of toys. I have experienced the other parent's inability to provide for his child.

I ring around 12.30pm from work to see if chid was ok. Father picked up the phone and so did child on another line in the grandparent's house. I say something like hi, just rang to say I know child is there and hope he is ok. child started talking and I started talking back to child (uh oh, I am not granted telephone contact at this stage and I know CSO X would hit the roof with knowledge of this).
"hello chid yes, it's mummy here, I will see you soon, I love you lots' and stufflike that whilst also talking to the father. Somewhere father asked child to get off the phone. This is when child starts crying " I want my mummy..." I could hear it all. Child ws really distressed adn crying for mummy. It would ahve been longer than he would usually cries for when he is upset at something. It was really heart wrenching stuff not to be able to console your own child. The father was still on another line in another part of the house and didn't go and console the child. It was someting I will never forget, that little child crying and trying to talk to mummy.
(addit - I am getting teary now re-living all this.)
Father then informed me (still on anther line in the house) that they weren't going to court now on the Tuesday. Father said docs may adjourn it as all the evidence wasn't in yet. I said I would ring back when child was asleep in the future.

That day I booked into seeing Centrecare counsellors to talk over the loss and grief issues of loosing my child and the unfolding events.

7 April 2006 - I had heard a car door close which was in the street somewhere close by. I ignored it as I thought it wouldn't be for me.
Then knock, knock - someone was at my front door.

It was the police.

Initially I wondered why the police were there as the man flashed his badge at me. Then I saw the little tape recorder and thought it was mine and they were going to charge me for taping CSO X and other docs workers on the phone. All these thought happened so quickly and I was confused.

I let them into thedining table area to sit down. I was pleasant and acted in my professional work manner.

They said they were sent by docs to ask me some questions. They had a little tape recorder just like mine and started to tape the conversation.
They asked me stuff like my name, d.o.b., address, child's name, d.o.b. father's name and where child was presently.
They told me their name and I now have a business card of this detective.
(addit - recently his name has been in the local paper - he is Detective Senior Constable....).
He looked like an ex criminal (addit - going by what a criminal looks like on TV and factoring in my kind of work I am involved in) with a forced smile on his face. His colleauge was a young, tall and skinny girl.

They said I have the right to remain silent and that what I said could be used against me. The man asked me in my own workds did I understnad. They said I have the right to have a solicitior present. I then excused myself and called my solicitor. The secretary then called solicitor on their mobile who then rang me back and said 'say nothing and get them out of there...'.
I did chat to them briefly and asked if I could tape them back and produced my identical little tape player, they said no.
I relayed this message onto them and politely asked these police officers to leave my house.

I think this is another ploy of docs to try and get information to hang me by on tuesday's court hearing 11 April.
It smells like a conspiracy to me. What are they trying to prove? Something excapes me. Even to this day I am still confused. Even police searches were carried out on me.

Docs would now have their chosen psychiatrist report stating that is favourable towards reunification and then her phone call to them saying they were 'underhanded' in the way it was all being handled by them not to mention the fact of now sending child off interstate.

Upon reflection docs must have madly writtne all those affidavits back the same day before the court session in response to my numerous affidavits that were filed in court. Gee, they put a lot of energy into it. Affidavits from all of them (with a docs style slant).
Is this becoming a waste of the tax payers' money?

Why would all this case be so important to send out the plain clothes police to interrogate me just days before the court hearing?

11 April - court day. Number 4 time in court now.
There was all the affidavit material prepared from my side plus things like how I had enrolled child into 'All Saints" school from when child was 1 yo.
But there was plenty of new ammunition from docs side. CSO X put in some made up things, like me saying to child 'sorry, sorry I cannot lookafter you". That is pretty subjective! And even when I did have post natal depression when child was about 4 months old all the many photos show (document that PND did not impinge on my ability to care effectively for child - I have even got photos of cradle cap treatment, various days in cot, tummy time, nappy free time. Everyone who knows me knows I am a mad photographer and nothing escapes me.
CSO X wrote that I had not being on top of things since child's birth. More subjective stuff. I am wondering how deos one go to work part-time in a mental health ward, look after a small child alone, renovate the house, have an independent business as a baby sitter. I thought I was pretty high functioning myself!
CSO X wrote that I was more focussed on myself than on child. Wow where does she source her stuff from?
CSO X went on about me not having psychiatric follow up (for what?) and brought one of my GP's into it. I asked this GP later about this and he didn't seem to know what I was talking about.
CSO X wrote thatmy suicidal ideationhad not changed (despite me telling her and her supervisor I wasn't and then having told her on phone this again after this). Of course I have it on tape telling her before whe wrote this affidavit that I was not suicidal/ homicidal.
CSO X said that I needed to ahve those holidays back in February 2006 (when they took child off me) to 'sort myself out' yet I have proof that I put in for holidays some 6 months prior in 2005 due to the leave I was accruing. In fact I put in another leave application to reduce my ititial 6 weeks to only 4 weeks.
Source please docs to your affidavit material??
Then she said I told her I was going bakc to work full time andwould only be available for access visits after 4 pm. What? Souce please!
CSO X wrote that child 'needed a parent whom is able to demonstrate a dommitment to the therapeutic needs in relation to her issues with child's father' - wow I have th edaycare mother as the hand over person so that I had little to do with father as possible and had contact ordres in place which were updated by me in December 2005. Wow, I am not responsible for the abuse that comes out this man's mouth and his snide comments. Even the parernal grandmother said to me that father is difficult to deal with. Sorry another issue here and I am getting side tracked.CSO X went on about ' this is concerning to the department given that mother is supposed
to be on regular dosage of Zoloft to treat her current mental health issue'. She still didn't have any written medical evidence that I was supposed to be on Zoloft and was non-compliant with some medication regieme.
CSO X even brought my sister into it stating that 'mother had never wanted any assistance from her or some other family memeber since child's birth and that she was not well and she was very concerned abou ther caring for child'.Later I asked my sister about this and she denied it to me.Docs didn't recognise that my sister and her child were always over here and I often cooked up large amounts of freezer meals for her child and was doing this 4 days prior to docs interviewing me.
CSO X even got in about me ringing the after-hours abuse line (when I was very concerned about conditions my child seemed to be facing in foster care - starving and dirty) and put her twist on it.

The false evidence continued. I started to realise that the truth doesn't matter. It is who can be the biggest and most convincing liar in court. docs were excelling at it.
Remember I say docs have no end to resources to fight you in court.
Excuse the swearing but 'fuck the child, docs can't admit fault'. My solicitor said it looked like docs had rallied around CSO X in her fight against me. I couldn't help but feel it was getting personal.

Amazingly she was right when she indirectly fired that threat at me, via my mother, not to complain as it would all go against me.

There were numerous other things writtenthat were incorrect. CSOX even wrote that SCAN coming to visit me and 'expressing grave concerns for the welfare of the child'.
Incidentally, SCAN never visited me again s omuch for the grave concerns fo rthe child.
It was so weird that she was trying so hard against child and me being together. I noted that she had just graduated from uni some 6 months prior to that ill fated day Friday, February 10 2006.
And there were more twisted affidavits from the supervisor. Outright lies that enraged who she involved in her lies.

BUT in court docs NEVER mentioned that child was abused whilst in foster care ( and I still wasn't aware). CSO X actually wrote about child being happy in foster care!
They never mentioned that they had written to father's solicitor to support father's now separate case in the NSW Family Law for sole custody and were in effect trying to dump off this case.
I wasn't aware of this letter and abuse until later...."

ok, to be continued - if you want to hear and docs haven't had me shot dead before then! Again nothing like a bit of healthy paranoia when dealing with this government agency.

Again excuse all typos.

Good night and God bless.

And even though you can obtain a really good solicitor (I had a solicitor from a supposedly well reputed legal firm) docs are so clever and skilled at knowing what to put in and how to spice it all up to actually she 'she ain't willing and she ain't able' - I mean how that CSO X wrote mother said to child 'sorry, sorry I cannot look after you' and things along those lines.
And then they keep attacking you in court with this 'new evidence' and so of course you would have to take them back to court to prove this stuff spewing out of them can be proved to be rubbish. The subjective stuff that she was trying to say came out of my mouth is hard to prove. but what? Was she a fly on the wall or something whilst I was supposedly saying all these things to my child at that early hour of the morning.

Do you see what I am trying to say?

And what were the police going to do? charge me for thoughts that occurred during the middle of the night and at around 0400am? Never acted up during the day. I told the CSO X and her supervisor that these thoughts were ego-dystonic. I explained that this psychiatric terms meant that having these thoughts from fantasies, dreams were ego-dystonic as they were disturbing and very distressing. That is why I woke up and sat outside in the yard and cried. I was overcome by guilt and grief at having such thoughts.

So were the police going to charge me for 'thoughts are enough for us" as CSO X stated to me?
Well come on - I have just admitted it here on the net/ publicly so come and charge me!

Wow thisisgood, what you went through emotionally because of admitting to thoughts...

I was reading about mental health issues today and it having so much stigma to it which they are trying to break down so that people will seek help instead of hiding from it as this is a main barrier to mental health issues...

Guess who keeps the stigma alive...DChS! They in fact are doing no favours for the mental health and physicians' jobs by attacking people cruelly for admitting to needing help and looking into it...

What disgusted me about your case is that your little boy went interstate without you attending court for this...sorry but it is to be decided by a magistrate regarding this decision with your knowledge...but it seems like in this case they have just decided and gone with it...Do you know if a manager approved it at all?

Well I'm interested in hearing more so wear a bullet proof vest so I can get to read the next extract...

Have you received your files via FOI? It'll have the reason why SCAN came to your home and I can put a million bucks on that they lied to them too.

with child safety youa re better telling them nothing....in fact any counsellor they suggest, or psychologist will use what you say against them.......there is a forensic psychologist in Brisbane who is a very deceitful and dangerous men......apparently with all the little tags behind his name make him to be a dangerous man that abuses confidentiality along with the rest of that unhealthy culture...all paid by the gov.

The farsical Tribunal told my solicitor that he had no duristiction in the tribunal......I am going to name each one of those morons too...the corruption goes right up the line

Hi,
but don't name them out here in public yet. Wait for the right moment. Otherwise you will be hung dried and quatered by the government.
We are all on the same page as you - as I think you will know by now.
Just make sure you have you personal documentation ready to go when needed.
Don't jump the gun yet and end up shooting yourself! You've already been crucified by the government once.
Patience.

have been patient this long....a little longer is no problem to me......this is gooing to be well worth waiting for......

Hello again,

Continuation from my journal dated back to 2006.

"... during this court date, April 11 2006, there was lots of affidavit material prepared by docs after they received all the stuff prepared by me when presented to the court. They wrote furiously the day before with affidavits from all docs workers who could be involved.

There was an affidavit from the CSO X supervisor as well. I had met her just that once in a meeting with CSO X. But this supervisor had rung the child's day care mother when docs were in the process of coming to my house that Friday 10 February. She asked the day care mother how was mother this morning when dropping off child.
The day care mother unsuspecting anything was out of order (because I didn't present any different to usual) said something to the effects of how I was going on about the red back spiders outside in the drain (I'll explain in a minute).

The affidavit material from CSO X supervisor put works into the day care mother's mouth wit her staing that I was 'talking about there being red back spiders everywhere'; 'mother was carrying on and was presenting in as paranoid'.

As a mental health nurse this supervisor looked to be painting a picture as if I was hallucinating or detoxing off some substance (like someone in D.T's).
The day care mother had previously (previous court session) prepared an affidavit saying she never said all this stuff to docs. The supervisor came back with this affidavit this court session stating day care mother had said all this.

But I argue even if she did say this to docs on the phone, one must ask why insist ( as per supervisor's affidavit material) that the daycare mother said I was paranoid. The day care mother is NOT mental health trained, so what weight would it carry what she describes someone's mental state as paranoid without fleshing out just what she meant by this flippant comment.
Incidentally the day care mother to this day still denies that she called me 'paranoid' to this supervisor on the phone.

Now they (docs) have to justify their actions. Everyone can see that I am not 'mentally unstable' as docs frist wrote, so they must be out to justify themselves. I don't think docs initally knew that I worked in mental health (nor a trained mental health nurse) andtherefore have heaps of professional witnesses about my mood and mental state.
For all I care a lay person can call me crazy to the cows come home.

So what just was the story about the spiders anyway when I first dropped child off to day care that morning around 09.15am? Just to start to put this into context I will tell you.

That morning as I parked the car on the street outside day care mother's house. I went around to the side where child has to get out of car. I noticed as I was openning child's door and getting out child and kindy bag that there was a small drain leading into the gutter. It was full of cob webs and old dead cut grass and it was facing the western sun. I thought this could harbour a red back nest and that it would be terrible if a small child stepped into this and got bitten. Yeah, a safety issue.
When I went inside to daycare mother's house I discussed this with her. She said her husband had just sprayed the house recently and that no insect spray was left over. I said I could bring some when I collected child that same day. During the course of this conversation her adult son brought out a pet lizard (blue tongue?) and showed us all - kids and adults. It was a very tame lizard and he expressed his concern that pesticides would kill the wild life.

Hmm, so now you have this in context and if I am telling the truth (but I have this adult son and day care mother as my witness and of course there is the little drain thingo just outside her house that faces the western sun) and I implore you to use reasonable doubt too; but if I am telling you the truth I have to ask just how fucked up is this supervisor to have to go to extreme lengths to try and prove me as 'paranoid'. Maybe she should have asked me next time what to say as she could get my mental health professional experience to help her with her lies!

And then there was an affidavit from the woman who answered the docs phone on intake. But she failed to state that I rang up initially with a hypothetical question and then again ( a second time) asking the where about of my expected visitors that she promised me would come to talk to me.
Yes, how stupid was I to think that docs were like a parent line and you could ring up and have a whinge to them. Oh, she sounded to empathic and when she said 'would you like someone to come out to you and visit you?' Well then I really would have an audience to have a whinge to. Wow, what a service I thought.

I rang around 1pm to docs after I rang the (lame) father of the child. I felt indignant after I spoke to him and decided I would ring docs as I was sure they would give me an answer to my hypothetical question. Then I waited and waited and waited for docs to arrive. That is why I rang a second time and asked where were they? They did arrive at 5pm. But by now I was grossly apologising for them arriving so late. Can I get you a cuppa, drink of water?
But what did docs write into their first court papers (that must be the TAO or COA or something?). It read something to the effects of 'mother unable to be contacted and we are concerned regarding her whereabouts'. Well that was weird I was waiting at home and I had rung heaps of other people as well as my telstra phone bill would prove back then. At the time I thought they (docs) must have made a mistake, no one would write a deliberate lie - that didn't even enter my head.
Docs came out to my house 5pm Friday 10 february and I never received any paper work in the mail box until Monday 3pm ish. I didn't even know this was a court based thing. I was just plain confused. But of course I soon worked it out, that something was a bit fishy and not quite right.

So anyway during this April 11 court session docs said they now wanted to adjourn the case so that a family group meeting could take place. The judge an older man, this time said 'protection order in place unitil the family group meeting'.

My solicitor said to me later this is not good as family group meetings are for when there are bad cases of neglect and abuse.

I was gob smacked.
That afternoon I wnet to see the centrecare counsellor who said docs 'are paranoid' in their dealing due to bad press.
(I did not make that up!)
I still didn't understand what was going on. Loooking back I would have presented even more affidavitmaterial to the court namely ever person I worked with that week prior as I had a lot of dealing with about 20 staff due to lots of inservice attended that week. I can still remember who was there and what was going on.

Anyway after that court session and later at home I received a letter written by CSO X's supervisor that was adressed to father's solicitor in NSW supporting father's application for sole cusotdy. This letter is dated 10 April.

these dirty dealings become clearer to me.

It looks like docs were trying to wahs their hands of this case. I am left wondering if they always operate in this dodgy, unethical, unprofessional manner?

13 April 2006 - Access visit at the departmental playgroup at Mermaid Community hall. The old grandfather drove the child up here for the 400km round trip so that child and I could spend 2 hours together. Father was very rarely present during these future visits only the grandparents. It must have been very tiring for this 70yo man to do this as he did this trip interstate for the next 7 weeks on a weekly basis. I am grateful t othe grandparents for this.

Somewhere (if I search my diary I find the exact date) I am served iwth papaers to appear in NSW district courts as father is now fighting me in court for sole custody of child. Docs are supporting his application all the way and have co-ordinated it well!

9 May 2006 - Go to NSW (200km away) where father applying for sole custody of child.

I don't think docs understand and had calculated that whist father and I don't see eye to eye about father's proposed contact arrangements (issues from when child was 2 yo) that we could still discuss other issues about child. I don't think docs realised that father and I could have coffee afterwards. They must have thought we would completely ignore each other.
Remember (or factor into this story) tjat fatjer and I spoke for some 30 minutes on phone on that ill fated Friday 10 February just hours before docs decided to snatch and grab child.

Father worked out that docs were trying to hush it up.

Looking back it was an obvious flaw in their plan.

Tomorrow I will poat the journal entry that I wrote that 9 May 2006 when I discovered just what had happened in foster care to my child.

Story to be continued.

Hi, yes, kickemout we all have a story to tell that shows up the inadequacies of this organisation and that the government seems to be turning a blind eye to it. We are in this together.

I just looked at the forensic psychologists web page that i have a big beef about.....mmmm all his addys have disappeared.....I wonder if that happened after an email from me....I hope he is reading this forum....I bet there are others realled peed off at him.....too many letters after his name ...an academic dolt me thinks

Thanks again thisisgood for more journal entries...that bullet proof vest is doing us all favours...lol Your dealings and happenings with DChS sounds very similar to mine except the odd bit's and pieces of I have more than 1 child but I can soooooo relate to everything you have written...thank you for making me feel normal and not alone!

My main rule, and one which my children follow is lawful and within the realm of responsible parenting.

I simply instruct them to say "My mother told me never to talk to strangers".

Is this not what we teach our children? To never talk to strangers?

If my children don't want to talk to any DoCS workers, or they suspect someone who wants to speak with them is associated with DoCS - this is what they tell them.

This brilliant insight actually worked for me and frustrated the daylights out of DoCS workers in early 2006 who went to my childrens' school to talk to them. My children wouldn't even tell them what they had had for lunch.

The DoCS workers came back to my house afterwards and commended me for instructing my children to say what they said. It was laughable - DoCS couldn't do a thing about it and putting it in an affidavit would have made them look stupid.

SPOT ON

DOCS said via a letter to ??????? thanks to F.O.I that the kids have been SKILLFULLY COACHED, what a mole.
Another thing have you noticed that some cops will read you your rights and tell you the magic sentence that anything you say will be used against you and one second later they talk that crap they start asking you questions.
Hypocrits!

These DOCS scum are very cunning as if they see the kids that don't want to talk they twist the story around and start talking about anything and everything and once they start them talking they switch back to their original question they want to ask.

Absolutely!

Especially if the child says something that does not suit the DoCS worker's agenda.

DoCS workers will pick and choose the best information that suits their case and supports their request for whatever order they are seeking... Any information that backs the parents is quickly discarded and if it comes from an interviewed child the information is manipulated to show that the child is sticking up for the parent - forget the fact that the child is being HONEST.

Do you know this forum is the best therapy?.Why when you suffer a stroke it effects you but doing plenty of typing defiantly has helped me.

Absolutely.

It's the whole "getting it out" thing. A problem shared is a problem halved - or so they say.

It means a huge amount to other parents to not only learn that they're not rowing the boat alone, but that they are also being treated in the same barbaric way that other parents are being treated.

Unfortunately there is still a huge stigma around families being involved with DoCS and not enough parents are coming out of the closet (so to speak).

Honestly, there is no shame in it in this day and age because DoCS have got it so WRONG.

Not many people are aware - but they're not even doing the job they are meant to be doing.

DoCS was created in 1999 on a recommendation by the CMC after an inquest into child deaths in foster care to protect children who are already IN foster care - not rip more children out of families and put them in foster care.

DoCS have "broadened their horizons".

If it wasn't for NORMAL families with normal HUMAN parenting issues, CSOs would be out of a job... We keep them employed.

They won't go near children who are in serious need of protection. Too afraid of their workers being injured by a disturbed child or having the office bombed by a warped parent.

Did you know that the DHS in Victoria struggle to get leases for offices because real estates are scared of bomb threats?

Now that makes sense b/c I'm wondering why my little crap of so-called protection issues from an incident of abusing a CSO compared to severe dv, drug and alcohol issues and child abuse sex cases are so ignored it's unbelievable to the court staff and lawyers involved in them cases?!

I'm sorry but that is just so totally wrong that it's not funny. I appreciate that this forum is for when Child Safety get it wrong and target families that are not abusing their children, but to say that they do no good in our society is just out right crap.

They do go near children who are in serious need of protection. They put themselves in danger and harms way to protect these children. They have death threats put on them and their families to protect these children. They even get assaulted to protect these children.

I'm sorry but comments like that really piss me off.

I'm sorry Justiceforall, but unlike what your username indicates, this is not always the case...yes Child Safety have helped kids who are genuinely abused but not always at all especially where I come from and the abuse is told from the child to a teacher, seen by a nurse and counseled from a counselor, these people have to either mandatorily report or just report out of concern for the child.

Yeh a visit goes in place but if they come across hassles of any sort, they don't go back...and the abused child/n are still abused until they die due to dv, the mother dies due to dv or the child/n are severely abused sexually and physically!

Comments like Child Safety go near children who are in serious need of protection is not always true either.

A major counter balance is needed I'm telling you and anyone else who wants to disagree with me!

I know of plenty of cases over the last 3 years where children who were in serious need of protection have been helped. I know that out of these children a lot of them have been saved from being possibly seriously injured or mamed if not killed. I know of CSO's who have helped these children who have had their lives in danger because they did what was needed to be done to save these children.

I won't even go into depth about what traumas these children faced.

I'm well aware that there are families that slip through the cracks. But I have never come across a CSO who has not gone back to a family because they have run into hassles.

Child safety has it's place in society and anyone would be stupid to refute this... Sadly there ARE children out there who are being subjected to abuse and neglect by parents and they need help.

But what is becoming more and more obvious as time wears on is that abuse and neglect today is NOT what it used to be.

Back in the day abuse would be Little Johnny going to school with constant black eyes or fronting up at the hospital on a regular basis with broken limbs or needing stitches.

Neglect would be the emaciated child dressed in filthy clothing riddled with head lice who hasn't had a bath since Adam was a boy with a nose continuously pouring green muck.

These days the majority of what is considered abuse and neglect (which are umbrella terms) falls within the realm of normal parenting skills, social acceptance and common sense.

But if DoCS can get an order (and any order will do!) it brings the almighty dollar into the coffers of the office who is granted the order for the length of time the order exists.

The longer DoCS can maintain a custodial order on a child, the longer they are guaranteed tax payer's dollars... Yet by the time they have no choice but to return the child to his/her parents the original "concern" has been long ignored and left unfixed.

Through my own communication with parents dealing with DoCS it's become painfully obvious that the majority of parents dealing with these vicious CSOs are "soft targets".

We all get stereotyped... Put in a box that usually has at least 3 labels on it. It's almost like our characteristics make up a certain recipe for a particular stereotype.

I'd like to give you a few names of CSO's and a team leader who didn't go back!

Now for those cases your talking about Justice? I do hope those parents had a hard time seeing their children, a very hard time and that this was proven beyond a doubt that the parents either caused or allowed this abuse! that is the argument but it is known that people whether parents or what abuse children, a very sad fact.

But there are more than just a 'few' slipping through the cracks Justice b/c these CSO's won't go back and didn't go back!

rainbowchaser

I wasn't aware that Child Safety recieved tax payers money for the children that are on custody orders. What does the government say that this money is to be used for?

Hi,
Justice4All I am sure you have a point as we are aware you have plenty of experience in children and adolescent but from what I see both personally and professionally I have yet to see this side where docs are really helping out families.
I do hear rumour of it.
I deal with docs almost on a daily basis in my work.
I talk with ex CSO's and friends who work as assessing people to be suitable carers.
I am still convinced until otherwise that it is just a legal game the way docs are so heavy handed in what they do.

I'm sure there have been CSO's who haven't gone back. I just meant that I haven't come across any in the 3 years that I have been in my role.

Yes there are a lot slipping through the cracks. If I had things my way I'd try and save all of them, but it's impossible for one person.

LovingMyKids - how true you are.

I have been witness to a family who was visited by DoCS with no second visit... And the eldest child of that family was killed by her own mother a short time later.

Ok well it's just hard to take when your a parent going through this and see others not at all going through it when they should and that THAT child needs saving from 'risk' from that parents livelihood while my children need saving from illegal practices of DChS!

Good point LovingMyKids!

Just what about the children who need saving from docs unjust practices.
Tomorrow I will type out more from my journal. And it just echos this point.

Oh I second that!!!!!

Boy do I second that.

I struggle to get my children back - yet living directly across the road from me is a woman whom DoCS are familiar with who is an alcoholic that smokes pot and cigarettes inside her home and is involved in thievery.

I missed something somewhere...