Yeh well I don't think another word comes to mind but brain washed so I think you got that one right...make sure you don't get brain washed...do you know what to do with stranger danger?

Well your not doing it, your talking to me, it's nice to see that you consider me safe enough to talk to...but please becareful, especially on sites...it's good of you to have your say here, nice to hear from you...

Hi,

BINGO - and why did I say that?

Because some pages back I read where Ms Rainbowchaser said that we can legally pursue a CSO once they leave the department and work for another department.

Is this true information?

I will personally look into this for myself.

And if this is true well THANK YOU.

LOL

Yep it is true information. But it has to be done civilly.

I have enough evidence on a CSO and I am sure a lot of us have too.

These people don't work for docs forever you know.

CIVIL ACTION.

That's right... They're lucky to last 2 years in the job... They burn out very quickly.

if you know any friends that are under them tell them to let their family know abut this site......and any that are 18 that have been through the rubbish they put them through.....be good for some people to hear of their experiences.....I know many who hate them for what they did to them.....so much for " the best interest of the child"....wait til they are old enough to sue em.....

LOL

A child can sue DoCS at any age... Especially if the child is over the age of 12.

A lot of parents aren't aware of Children's Legal Aid.

A child can also apply to have the order they are under revoked or amended.

yeh but if that child has any mental health issues, I think the criteria and rules are the same, no legal aid.

I'm not entirely sure.

I know one of the challenges is the ability to give the child the opportunity to even speak to a legal rep.

Youth workers won't make a move without DoCS approval. DoCS won't make a move if they know a child wants to present a challenge to the courts. Carers are just completely convinced the child is abused and won't even give a child's challenge a second thought.

Hi,
The following is a continution from my personal journal, it follows in from my journaling dated 26 Ocober. It is around page 6 on this same topic.

9 May 2006

Today I have driven 200km into NSW for the court hearing where the father wanted to get sole custody of child. It was adjourned as per plan. The judge said something to the effect of not being aboe to rule on this request until the matter in Queensland (with docs) is finalised. It has been adjourned until 13.6.06. The judge seemed as perplexed by it as was the solicitor representing me. Afterwards my solicitor said that NSW docs can only keep a child for 2 weeks and if no evidence is evident then the child must be returned to their home.

I woke at 2.30am and couldn't go back to sleep. I decided to start driving at 4.00am incase something happened and so Iwould still make it on time. I was super early.

It was very chilly when I first arrived. I watched as all the people arrived to go to court. It was a long and tedious morning.

After court the father and I went for coffee. Father asked me whilst we were walking down the street if I knew that child was abused whilst in the foster home and docs are trying t hush it up. At first I thought I wonder if father is making thjis up to get me upset and make me feel more guilty.

Father told me that on the 5 April 2006 when they (father and paternal grandparents) went to collect child that docs workers took child to the toilet and noticed that child had 2 bruises on his bottom cheeks.
This resulted in child being taken to the local public hospital, inspected by the doctors, reported on and hotographs being taken of his buttocks.
Docs never reported this to me.

Some of my first thoughts were I hope they don't think I inflicted that onto child during my access visit. Apparently child told father that he was smacked for pooing his pants.

Shit I am angry.

Then father started going on at me verbally in the coffee shop. I told him to stop but soon the conversation got back to father getting angry with me again.

Father said we could get child back and have 50/50 share care. I said to father but you wrote in your application about me having supervised visits.

I said 50/50 care wouldn't work due to the state thing (NSW/Qld).
Father said 1 of us could move.
Father started to have a go at me about me talking to docs in the first place, it was my fault as I rang them.
Father agreed that we don't get on and all this is a domestic/ family dynamics issue. I said but you know I have never hurt child and father said something about he doesn't know now and about the scathing report that docs had written against me.

After a short time I had enough of listening to father and knew it wasn't going to get better. I decided to get up and leave, so I cut it short, excused myself and got up to leave.
The father chased after me and said something about being civil. I said I am leaving whilst it is still civil. I said see you Thursday and walked off. I then drove off back to Queensland.

As I drove I chewed over things in my mind. Especially what father had just informed me of.

Just as I was pulling into the drive way of my home docs new case manager CSO S rang me. We talked for ages about the impending family meeting. I asked her about the bruises on child's buttocks. She said she didn't know of this but would look into it.
This was of interest to CSO S as S is now child's case manager and all this information on the bruises should be in that file she has. She didn't get this handed over to her.

S said she needs a report5 from my psychiatrist that I am stable and taking medication. (They can shove their fucking doctors and medicationsup their arse - I am no different to how I ever am - it doesn't get any better.) The CSO S saw that my solicitor emailed her and stated she could not make it to the family meeting on 11.5.06. SCO S said she strongly suggests I have legal representation there. S also wondered about how to facilitate more access visits and wondered if phone contact would be suitable. I said this would be inappropriate.

I came inside and rang my solicitor who said she was ready to shoot loads of bullets at docs in the way in which they are handling this.
I told solicitor now about the bruises on child and asked can she subpoena the files from the hospital. She is going to. I could just about get this hosptial information myself being a Queensland Health employee.
solicitor said she wants to contest the whole thing that docs will now try and adjourn tuesday 16.5.06 court case until a new family meeting takes place and then solicitor is going to argue for the child to be placed back with the mother (me) ASAP.

I am angry. I am really troubled. Lately I have stopped sleeping. I am so angry about this whole process. Sure I rang docs but look at how they have carried on. I am workse that I have ever been. Not to meniton the financial pressure on me now. It is all completely fucked up. Absolutely.

I rang the paternal grandmother to enquire about child and the bruises. I have this conversation on tape. Sure enough it happened. I told this granmother the gorp meeting is now cancelled and post-phoned until 24.5.06.
I had to tape this incase somehow this was turned against me and everyone denied it and tried to make out I was confabulating and paranoid!

I am very angry. It is all fuming inside me.
Later I will ring my mother, child's godmother, daycare mther and colleague/ friend.

I rang docs in Brisbane at the Alderly branch andspoke with an .... who is going to send me the policy about whether docs should be notifying me about the abuse since I am the parent.

Solicitor rang me and said that CSO S said child is effectevely in the paternal grandparents care.
Solicitor said this is iteresting as all her documentation states that father is the carer.

I am angry about the way in which docs have handled this. Now to find out that child was smacked that hard that he had bruises on his that lasted a week or more according to the doctor. What did child do that was that bad? Nothing I say. He is a good kid.

Good on you docs are taking a child out of a perfectly good home and putting him with bullies.
FUCK YOU DOCS!!!!

8.25pm later

I have spoken with mum, colleauge/ friend, child's godmother, and now my flatmate. Flatmate said how child has been taken from a safe home environment and placed int an abusive foster home care since docs involvement.
Flatmate thinks I should not have given my name to the docs branch at Alderly. I said they would send me the policy about whether I should be notified or not so needed my address.

Mum said be as sly as everybody else, get your facts together.
Mum and I cried on the phone. Mum said she wanted to tell my sister as she was the one who said child should go to foster care.
Mum was wondering if docs become aware that I now know of this that child's hospital chart may go missing. Mum said she had read too many books.

Child's godmothersaid it is not my fault that I rang docs. She said the fact that I utilised my supports indicates that I am pro-active in my health issues. Godmotheragrees that a lot sof what is written is subjective from CSO X upon what I reported to her during that initial interview on 10.2.06.
Godmother thinks that CSO X needs supervision and this is a miscarriage of justice.
(P.S. Child's Godmother and I worked together for the past 6 years - we knew each other very well.)
Godmother thinks that docs could now write into child's file and patch it up.
Godmother said about docs stuffing up our lives andif theywere concerned about the mother's mental state then what have they put in place for reunification.

I said to my colleague/ friend person how CSO X has written on the 10.4.06 ( remember abuse reported on 5.4.06) that child was happy in the foster home. Wow.
Colleague friend of mine said (sarcastically) if child was happy in the foster home then he must have been ecstatic being with me.

Colleague friend of mine said this is like the church that has abused children in their care and now decades later there is all this litigation going on as a result. Maybe this will happen with docs one day.

Colleague friend of mine said didn't father jump up and down and ask docs about their accountability. She asked if father is deemed as a suitable carer where doesn his concerns about child's welfare lay?
Colleauge said why don't I get hold of this doctor's report and take it to the police to report a case of child abuse. I think this is a good idea.
Colleague said she wonders what the course is taken to see if people are suitable foster parents. We wonder if the other chlden have been taken off these people since it was found that my child was abused in that home. My child described there being about 4 kids there.

We are all in shock. Everyone is thinking this could be a case against docs in the way this ghas been handled.

Did docs want to sweep this under the mat, send child off to the father's grandparents to live forever and close their books?

I am angry. Now I have taken a sleeping tablet to try and settle me down. I know that chid is at least safe with the grandparents down there.

What fucking game are docs playing at?

Fuck, what a day. this thing just keeps taking on a life of it's own.

tomorrow I will ring solicitor first up and ask her if she had got hold of a copy of child's medical file as I feel iti si urgent.
I will ring docs at Alderly to see if they have clarification on the policy.

I really do need to continue to document fo rhcild's sake so that he can read all this later as an adult.

Tablets taking effect and i ma tired. It has been such a draining day.

Work tomorrow. Child has an access visit with me on Thursday (2 weeks since we last saw each other) and court on Tuesday.

Again I say for the last account today - thanks docs for taking me son off me ( deciding that I am so mad that I can't look after him and therefore a risk to him) so that he could be abused in care.

FUCK YOU!!!!

Sorry child that this happened to youl I hope it does not have lastin geffects on you. Who
picks up the pieces of this wounded family from docs involvement?

Hi,

I will write more in these columns another time. But apparently CSO S stated that the abuse and bruising was not in child's docs file anywhere!!
She was looking into why this is not in her file at the time she told me.

And not surprising to anyone who reads this forum regularly that CSO S got removed from my case and the original CSO X was reinstated!!

Looking back in reflection CSO S was doing her job properly and I think she would have been a good advocate for the children in her care.

I think CSO S has left now.
I deal with this same docs branch these days at work.

I don't think the CSO x's supervisor can ever afford to leave docs if it is true about being able to sue these docs worker's once they leave this organisation on civil grounds!

Anyway more of my journal is coming.

And remember I worked in mental health as a trained mental health nurse the whole time this went on. I was probably in charge of the shift the next day when I mention I am going to work. It is just incredible.

I was never diagnosed with a mental illness and am not on any psych. drugs. docs didn't know what they were talking about. I present the same today as I did back then.

So I could prove that if you have a bad day docs will deem your child as being at risk from you and then take your child away from their home for 7 months like they did to me.

If any docs workers are reading this - please make sure your practice is accountable and not dodgy like what happened to us! Some of you probably talk to me a lot in work and don't realise it is me that had a child removed for 7 months.

Sorry to swear again - but fucking idiots with too much power ( I am referring to the corrupt workers).

i guess thats why we never get the FOI files....too much evident corruption within the files....

You know, I had that exact same thought.

Not to mention that a LOT of what is in there would give our legal reps ammo against them and their "case".

FREEDOM of INFORMATION? Yeah right!

YES I KNOW ITS IN THE WRONG THREAD! But why not.

Guys and Gals, since our great Premier is on the money grab trail again and she is short a bit of cash by giving it all to the Department of Child Safety, by increasing fines for everything including of course traffic fines, I would like to remind all what is written below and what I have been reading on other sites, where more and more people are now warning motorists with these speed cameras. See, if you flash your head lights, they grab you for that, by using your high beams in a built up area, but if you just turn your head lights on and off and on and off, is that breaking the law? Well not the law of using your high beams in a built up area, but unfortunately this gangster of a Premier that we have has her own law, which is worse than any other law we have in this state and you know what thats called:

DENYING THE GOVERNMENT REVENUE.

(JUST A REMINDER TO WHAT HAPPENED A WHILE A GO)


Well watching Channel Nine News last night (15/10//07)I just caught a segment about Queensland police getting caught in their own speed cameras. It was interesting once again thanks to the freedom of information ACT and a good reporter that reported this but I would like to add my two bobs worth.
See what attracted my attention to this story was the high percentage of police whilst on or possibly off duty that were booked for speeding but it was the case of an outrageous percentage of them that write a letter to the department with a reason why they were speeding and they get off. Now as I said I just caught this story by a second so I don't exactly remember the percentage that get off but it was high and I can tell you this that the average Tom Dick and Harry that has been caught speeding has got BUCKLEY'S chance of getting off as easy as the off or on duty Police do so how do they do it? Haaaaaa easy!!

No I'm not saying where I got this info from but some of us unfortunately have relatives or friend in the Police service and yes they do enjoy a drink at a BBQ and yes the drink has a habit of loosening a few tongues and this is what I over heard at a Bathurst 1000 party that got my ears ringing.
See what is getting around the traps in the Police service is just say an off or on duty Police officer is driving his or her private or Police car on a public road and in a split second they unfortunately get zapped by a speed camera for speeding and they know that they have been busted what they do is accelerate and pull over the first car that just happen to be in front of them.
Now they will pull the car over for any reason like Sir/Madam why were you drifting in your lane, or your brake light are coming on and off or whatever stupid or silly reason they can use to pull the car in front of them over so they can get details, times and whatever needed so the off or on duty cop can write his or her letter saying this was the reason why he or she was speeding.
I find this what I heard absolutely disgusting and outrageous that we have a law for the common person and we have a loophole for the Police.
What I would like for the General public to do is if you pass a speed camera and you are not speeding whatsoever and for some reason just after or kms later down the road you get pulled over for whatever reason by anyone on or off duty and they just happens to flash a badge at you and ask for your details which you give him or her ask for his or her name and service number (They could refuse or ask why?), also get details, time, "etc" of the car they are driving and number plate and report them to the CMC (Crimes Misconduct Commission)You never know you could be lucky, See if the CMC investigate and it just happens the Police officer gives them the same excuse (I bet the excuses would be similiar)as they put in their letter to get off the fine the CMC will know that the Police Officer in question is on the nose, and after this message on this forum gets around they might think twice before pulling this swifty again.
Remember all, the way I look at it the Police are not above the law and they should be treated equally like the rest of us.
Now let me see where is the phone number for the CMC.

cMC are as corrupted as the rest of them.....one gov dept is exactly like the rest......if its gov funded/run....then it is corrupt......

Word:
even the ones that claim are not government funded, will also refuse and reject to offer any help and just do that Indoor sports of Buck passing.

[quote=JusticeForAll]There has been some discussion about the legalities of DOCS interviewing children.

DOCS can interview children without parents and a support person present. If DOCS come to your home to interview you and your children and you allow them to speak to your children alone, then they will do so. If you tell DOCS that you want a support person present, DOCS have to do so, but only if they believe that having a support person will not obstruct the interview process with the children. This support person can not be the person who is thought to have caused the harm to the children either.

This is not what happened to my children. Whilst I was at work they knocked on my door, didnt show ID and asked if they could speak to them all. They interviewed the children without me present, and they even said to my youngest, we havent got much on him, we need more dirt.... My 17yo daughter was so scared they were going to take my 12 year old there and then, so she phoned me whilst i was at work.
They entered my premises without my permission, and interviewed the children without my permission. Where is that legal...I call it manipulation.

Yet, When I asked for a interviewing. I get a close door. Why?.
These bastards wont say jack, until they are in a court room and even then will still lie.
Thats where I want my interview, In a court room.
Pricks know they got nothing on me, so they Attach WJ:
Now her family are left as road kill.
and they still wont Take me to a court on their claims of me.

Words are just words till action is done..A Class Action. Civil Action JUSTICE.

Yes, I hear what you guys are saying. I can imagine just how it all goes on.

No, TIG:.
You cant Imagine, all the going ons.

Can you Imagine, a Soul, sitting at home alone.Forced to be in that position.
And I mean, Alone.
Not alone and still have your kids, Not alone and nobody comes over.
Alone.
What relationship I had with WJ:, is going further down the shithole. might as well Kiss that good bye, to.

Not even responding to this one.....

why not, Make a good topic..

shows the conflict inflicted by docs, How does one handle the burden of juggling a relationship that is hell bent being attacked by DOCS.?.

How does one handle the emotions of a separation,that was Ripped apart, and a distance wedged between ?.

Children are not the only ones that suffer at the hands of the intruding of DOCS. The man and woman do to.
This is Us, This is what is happening, to us. Not us doing it to us, But DOCS in the shadows playing with lives.
This is the result of that hardship. The testing of who will break first.
Yes, I have this carefree attitude, So what. it happened many times before, whats the difference now ?.
I know how to lose love, I dont know how to win it, anymore.

What?. not a good topic?.
or ya all rather, think, nothing like this happens?.

Well, it did, happen, our whole world has been ripped apart, and yes, so have we!!!!, U let Docs win between us too...

How'd I let them win.????

From word go!, I told you all of it,From word go, I told you I cant BE in a relationship with a woman with children.
What did you do???. You did every thing to get me.
And Yes, Peter frkhead Lindsey, was the prick that told me and the Last partner, Leave townsville and dont have kids..
I thought and hoped that SA and you would be the new beginning.
The Rest you know. Till you started getting Jealous and the lack of trust. let me point out one of those lack of trust, Radio Rentals.
I got no one here telling me to leave you. You Have.
I got no one sep you to think of, how many ways I want to hug and kiss you.
Cos! of me, your whole family is now under the spot light and they left me in the dark.
They, DOCS, dont care if we are not together. all they care about is how they going to take V from you, and then T's new born. Thats what your concerns should be.
Next week, I miss out on a court date for my son, They dont care,whether I turn up or not.I wont ever get a phone link up,even tho I requested it.
A week or so after that, your in court. and what happens if Family SA get their way?. and take V.?. You will crumble.
Yes, I some how became immune after the second stealing of my son and the removal of the partners. hence why you say I dont care. How and why should I fight to keep something when I know it will go.?. or be taking away like the rest.
You want to be with me, Then you have to really understand me, to why those walls wont come down.
Here I live in fear, Cos! I know what can and did happen in this city to me.
I frking Hate going outside, I frking Hate going to the shops, I hate seeing new borns with a parent, I frking Hate looking at couples with a new born and I frking really hate hearing the sounds of a new born baby crying.
I didnt Let DOCS win, My stinking past that Im told to move away from,only to be brought back up by DOCS, Is the Issue to why we are where we are.
They are even using your past that you were told to move on with.
Its the past crap that is used to destroy what is for today.
No, I didnt let DOCS win.