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Dear friends,
You are all right about DOCS in Queensland thet are EVIL!!!! they turne last thursday, with a detective, questioned me and my wife,said they had had a complaint against us. Then our granddaughter was questioned on her own, and then come out of the lounge room and said we will ring you later. That was their first LIE!!!!
At 6pm that evening they turned up at our front door with 2 uniform cops and handed me a TAO (temporary assessment order) rubber stamped by the court. They took our granddaughter and placed her in foster care. They did not tell us what the complaint was nor did they tell our 10 year old GD anything either.
Our GD is allowed to ring us whenever she likes, she cries and say's Pa I want to come home, please make them bring me home.
I had no other course of action, but to hand her over, after all they did turn up in the dark with 2 cops with guns strapped to their waists. Oh thats right some years ago they made everyone hand in their guns, how convenient. It was probably a good thing, because when I went inside to get my glasses, so as I could read the TAO, I might have got my gun and fired some rounds above them and tell them where to go.
Anyway, sanity did prevail and now we have lost our granddaughter. Apparently our GD told them in their interview with them, that I had touched her leg, arm, and stomach, they asked her if that was a good feeling or a bad feeling, she said bad.
So that was the reason they came and took her, they apparently assumed that if I was doing that to her she was not safe.
My GD who is 10 told me that she didn't say the touching was bad because she felt that I was abusing her, she meant that her leg hurt when I would grab her leg to pull her along the floor when we are playing.
The Child Safety Officers once again have stuffed up another childs life by twisting what a child tells them, so they can persue another chance of getting some poor innocent bugger charged with Child abuse.
By the way my GD has no problem with me she absolutely adores me, so does that sound like a frightened little girl who's ghrandfather has done terrible things to her, that bad that they had to remove her from a dangerous situation.
She rings my wife and I twice a day and talks for at least 30 mins. She only wants to come home.
So who has done the damage to our GD ??????? ah...lets guess.......DOCS!!!!! thats right, the do gooders from Child safety, out putting another feather in their cap. Aren't they just wonderful.....big chunder..spew..spew...
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Oh mate, this is just appalling, I'm sooo sorry for you, your wife and your GD...10 is a good age but unfortunately an age where she has no rights because she will be considered as 'not of an age to understand' to be given her charter of rights etc...It sounds like the foster carer's are allowing her rights tho.
Please note every thing she says down, dates and times. Do not expect Dchs to give her back after 3 days, instead they will submit a Court assessment order into court but you have to be served papers first and be able to appear if you have custody, if not go to your local magistrates court where the children's court is and ask the registrar for when the next court sitting is for children's court and turn up. The Dchs officers will appear there to either apply for a CAO - Court Assessment order which goes for 4 weeks for further investigations and contact the parents or a interim child protection order granting either custody or guardianship.
In the meantime note everything your GD says. If you get to go to court and appear in front of the judge and especially if you have been served papers that you see is false then claim that the material submitted by Dchs is scandalous and oppressive and that you were not told that you were being seen as to a notification or told the results of any investigation or interview.
This is a must procedure for Dchs. Did you recieve an order or any paper when they removed your GD? Being that it happened last Thursday it seems as if Dchs have already applied for either assessment or custody. Go to your local court house and ask for the details under your GD's last name of the next court appearance and what papers were filed...
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Dear friends,
You are all right about DOCS in Queensland thet are EVIL!!!! they turne last thursday, with a detective, questioned me and my wife,said they had had a complaint against us. Then our granddaughter was questioned on her own, and then come out of the lounge room and said we will ring you later. That was their first LIE!!!!
At 6pm that evening they turned up at our front door with 2 uniform cops and handed me a TAO (temporary assessment order) rubber stamped by the court. They took our granddaughter and placed her in foster care. They did not tell us what the complaint was nor did they tell our 10 year old GD anything either.
Our GD is allowed to ring us whenever she likes, she cries and say's Pa I want to come home, please make them bring me home.
I had no other course of action, but to hand her over, after all they did turn up in the dark with 2 cops with guns strapped to their waists. Oh thats right some years ago they made everyone hand in their guns, how convenient. It was probably a good thing, because when I went inside to get my glasses, so as I could read the TAO, I might have got my gun and fired some rounds above them and tell them where to go.
Anyway, sanity did prevail and now we have lost our granddaughter. Apparently our GD told them in their interview with them, that I had touched her leg, arm, and stomach, they asked her if that was a good feeling or a bad feeling, she said bad.
So that was the reason they came and took her, they apparently assumed that if I was doing that to her she was not safe.
My GD who is 10 told me that she didn't say the touching was bad because she felt that I was abusing her, she meant that her leg hurt when I would grab her leg to pull her along the floor when we are playing.
The Child Safety Officers once again have stuffed up another childs life by twisting what a child tells them, so they can persue another chance of getting some poor innocent bugger charged with Child abuse.
By the way my GD has no problem with me she absolutely adores me, so does that sound like a frightened little girl who's ghrandfather has done terrible things to her, that bad that they had to remove her from a dangerous situation.
She rings my wife and I twice a day and talks for at least 30 mins. She only wants to come home.
So who has done the damage to our GD ??????? ah...lets guess.......DOCS!!!!! thats right, the do gooders from Child safety, out putting another feather in their cap. Aren't they just wonderful.....big chunder..spew..spew... Its a fucking disgrace! Its coming to a point that you don't even scratch the head of a child because Child Safety deem that to be grooming. The laws are to easy today that allow someone to put a false allegation in and even if you ever get to prove it was a victicious false allegation where is my compensation as if the girl in my case wins she will gets a easy $40k out of my pocket or the governments.
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I'm off the puter for a day and more join to give it to this scum.
I only wish I had the support in my dark days with the CSA (Child Support Agency)
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Dear friends,
You are all right about DOCS in Queensland thet are EVIL!!!! they turne last thursday, with a detective, questioned me and my wife,said they had had a complaint against us. Then our granddaughter was questioned on her own, and then come out of the lounge room and said we will ring you later. That was their first LIE!!!!
At 6pm that evening they turned up at our front door with 2 uniform cops and handed me a TAO (temporary assessment order) rubber stamped by the court. They took our granddaughter and placed her in foster care. They did not tell us what the complaint was nor did they tell our 10 year old GD anything either.
Our GD is allowed to ring us whenever she likes, she cries and say's Pa I want to come home, please make them bring me home.
I had no other course of action, but to hand her over, after all they did turn up in the dark with 2 cops with guns strapped to their waists. Oh thats right some years ago they made everyone hand in their guns, how convenient. It was probably a good thing, because when I went inside to get my glasses, so as I could read the TAO, I might have got my gun and fired some rounds above them and tell them where to go.
Anyway, sanity did prevail and now we have lost our granddaughter. Apparently our GD told them in their interview with them, that I had touched her leg, arm, and stomach, they asked her if that was a good feeling or a bad feeling, she said bad.
So that was the reason they came and took her, they apparently assumed that if I was doing that to her she was not safe.
My GD who is 10 told me that she didn't say the touching was bad because she felt that I was abusing her, she meant that her leg hurt when I would grab her leg to pull her along the floor when we are playing.
The Child Safety Officers once again have stuffed up another childs life by twisting what a child tells them, so they can persue another chance of getting some poor innocent bugger charged with Child abuse.
By the way my GD has no problem with me she absolutely adores me, so does that sound like a frightened little girl who's ghrandfather has done terrible things to her, that bad that they had to remove her from a dangerous situation.
She rings my wife and I twice a day and talks for at least 30 mins. She only wants to come home.
So who has done the damage to our GD ??????? ah...lets guess.......DOCS!!!!! thats right, the do gooders from Child safety, out putting another feather in their cap. Aren't they just wonderful.....big chunder..spew..spew... Its the second time I have said this tonight I say this to all Its good to see you here but I m sorry you have anything to do with this SCUM of the Earth DOCS. You wonder why the Howard Government wanted to disarm Australia, the reason why? it had nothing to do with the lunatics that occasionally go on a rampage killing innocent people it was to remove the possibility of Australia's population rebelling against the government.
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Dear friends,
You are all right about DOCS in Queensland thet are EVIL!!!! they turne last thursday, with a detective, questioned me and my wife,said they had had a complaint against us. Then our granddaughter was questioned on her own, and then come out of the lounge room and said we will ring you later. That was their first LIE!!!!
At 6pm that evening they turned up at our front door with 2 uniform cops and handed me a TAO (temporary assessment order) rubber stamped by the court. They took our granddaughter and placed her in foster care. They did not tell us what the complaint was nor did they tell our 10 year old GD anything either.
Our GD is allowed to ring us whenever she likes, she cries and say's Pa I want to come home, please make them bring me home.
I had no other course of action, but to hand her over, after all they did turn up in the dark with 2 cops with guns strapped to their waists. Oh thats right some years ago they made everyone hand in their guns, how convenient. It was probably a good thing, because when I went inside to get my glasses, so as I could read the TAO, I might have got my gun and fired some rounds above them and tell them where to go.
Anyway, sanity did prevail and now we have lost our granddaughter. Apparently our GD told them in their interview with them, that I had touched her leg, arm, and stomach, they asked her if that was a good feeling or a bad feeling, she said bad.
So that was the reason they came and took her, they apparently assumed that if I was doing that to her she was not safe.
My GD who is 10 told me that she didn't say the touching was bad because she felt that I was abusing her, she meant that her leg hurt when I would grab her leg to pull her along the floor when we are playing.
The Child Safety Officers once again have stuffed up another childs life by twisting what a child tells them, so they can persue another chance of getting some poor innocent bugger charged with Child abuse.
By the way my GD has no problem with me she absolutely adores me, so does that sound like a frightened little girl who's ghrandfather has done terrible things to her, that bad that they had to remove her from a dangerous situation.
She rings my wife and I twice a day and talks for at least 30 mins. She only wants to come home.
So who has done the damage to our GD ??????? ah...lets guess.......DOCS!!!!! thats right, the do gooders from Child safety, out putting another feather in their cap. Aren't they just wonderful.....big chunder..spew..spew... Its a fucking disgrace! Its coming to a point that you don't even scratch the head of a child because Child Safety deem that to be grooming. The laws are to easy today that allow someone to put a false allegation in and even if you ever get to prove it was a victicious false allegation where is my compensation as if the girl in my case wins she will gets a easy $40k out of my pocket or the governments. You get my vote on that one.
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they are excellent at trumping up cases...that is the govs way....but the numbers grow daily....what I find incredulous is the children who are still being abused by them...daily......and still their buddy big boys wont get off their butts.
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they are excellent at trumping up cases...that is the govs way....but the numbers grow daily....what I find incredulous is the children who are still being abused by them...daily......and still their buddy big boys wont get off their butts. You are so not wrong with this statement! I feel believed at long last, that is some vinidication to know unfortunately that other's know this is happening...I feel much less crazy!
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it is really important for all those who have , and are suffering that their behaviour is not acceptable, and what is happening to you is happening to many others.....apparently on a national scale...this is frightening.....dont feel crazy, what you are going through is real and unjust, you are more than likely more sane than most....and very true to yourself......just know you are not alone.
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Thanks kickemout, I wish I could do as your username says and kick em out of my life! My kids wish the same thing too. It's funny how DChS are allowed to ignore kids when they report positive things and the truth against the Dept but really listen to outlandish claims without checking the facts properly...
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I think there is another motive for this, and the gov are in on it all....to do with weakening the masses by breaking up families...one world gov stuff......look at history, it was never any different with rulers, they are allpowermongers, who truly believe they can get the upper hand, only trouble is we are deucated in this era.....no gov has any authority over our children........
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I have said it before somewhere in all this.
power corrupts
total power totally corrupts.
The problem is a lot of people don't care cause of apathy, it doesn't concern me, I'll just go about and mind my own business, I don't want to get invovled.
That sort of mentality is what gives more power to the government.
I'm interested in seeing how soon we (the masses) recognise we don't actually have a democratic government.
Time to wake up from your sleep little people.
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NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I eat,shit,and sleep trying to work out a way to bring down DOCS legally.
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It would be interesting to know, how many of the Aboriginal communities are reading this stuff......do they know they are not alone in gov terrorism??????
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Hi Having read what some of you have written really hit home hard and actually made me cry, suddenly realising that i am not alone in this world, a world where money equals being treated fairly by gov depts. I too am having serious problems with docs as they have removed my son from my care and although i am fit to care for my ten year old daughter they refuse to let my eight year old son live with me. I fought in court and lost my case because along side docs were their lawyers, the current carers for my son and their layer and barrister and the lawyer for my son that docs were paying for. I am at a huge loss as to what to do or even where to get the right advice from. It does seem that unless you have a bag full of money no one will even listen let alone try to help you!
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Welcome to the forum but sorry I have to see you here as if you're here means you have problems with DOCS like the rest of us.
As for the money, yes sorry to say you're right as DOCS has its own Lawyers which are fully drilled in the way DOCS think and most of the times they even know that they are going to win long before it even goes to trial.
If you turn up with a high profile family Lawyer well that's different but unfortunately we are becoming like America, the land of Lawyers and money.
I heard of this before where the foster carers will fight to the death to keep a stolen child and this alone make me puke.
Say a prayer each night that they might rot in hell with all the other child stealer's in Australia.
Please also get support from some of the other members as you will find this comforting.
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They select the country's top barristers for their dirty work....but there is power in the people....but only after much pressure.....
I would suggest to contact Amnesty International...they are independant of the gov....if enough come together we may have some hope of stopping this serial behaviour.....
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I have been fighting this for over 3 years and i am still not getting anywhere with it. To make things worse the current carers are my Aunt and Her Girlfriend so causing a great family conflict. It seems that once in a while you find a case worker who actually wants to help you then just before they can put any action in place they get removed from the case, a little odd dont you think? I had a case worker who told me she could have the paper work written up that week and have it in court the next week to have my son placed back with me within a fortnight. 2 days later i called to see how she was going with that and was told that she was no longer in charge of that case and i would have to wait untill the case file was reallocated, which took 2 months. The new case worker then told me that i would never get my son back "even when he is 13 if he says 'I want to live with my mum' the department will tell him 'No your placement is with your great aunt" I then went to the Area Manager for docs (took me 3 weeks and threats of taking the department to court to get him to see me) and was told "if your famliy cant stop fighting about this he will be removed and placed in different foster care where you will only get to see him 4 times a year"
The kinship placement was suposed to help by keeping my son in contact with his birth family, My daughter only sees him on my contact, my mother only sees him on my contact as with a majority of my family. As my aunt has become so distant from us since getting care of my son.
I feel like i am constantly fighting a losing battle, but i will keep doing for one day my family will be back together, and that is what its all about really isnt it. Family?
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yep that is the govs agenda.....break familiy units up.....theyve been doing it for generations.....be strong, something must happen soon.....
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Hi and welcome Bella, sorry your here but your at a great place for support and help, if only advise! There are some very insightful and experienced people here that will help so ask away! Even though everyone's story is different in details and reasons, it unfortunately rings similar when DChS remove children...it's pathetic and morosely injustified!
Can't wait for any action against this government dept! I'll be first in line.
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LovingMyKids,
I think we will all be the first in line.
Bella
What LovingMyKids said is so true, there are a lot of very helpful people here. Its sad that we have to meet under the circumstances of having to fight this god damn department. Welcome though.
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Ha hahahaha first in line after me......and many more grandparents....
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Hi,
Bella, I too am so sorry to hear your anguish. We all feel for you. Even though we are not in your life we understand.
BUT
You'll have years to digest the experiences you went through over the past few years.
For the rest of your life, you'll be mulling over the implications of various decisions, reviewing your opinion as new infromation comes to light.
There's one point of which you can always be certain: a deep, powerful, emotional bond is important and it's protection deserves priority.
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Re: aboriginal people. Someone commented above.
I am sorry that I am such a mouth (always have plenty to say) but I did work in an Aboriginal Community back in 2001 as a community health nurse.Back then there was no awareness of the family services/ docs so heavily involved in patient's lives and to the corrupt extent that I have witnessed since around 2005.
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this is good....I spoke with a chap from the lost generation....he had no idea white people were going through the same hell.......
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Thanks to all for your kind words of support, I too feel for each and everyone of you. I just got off the phone with DOCS and they have told me that my son is now involved in sporting activities on both saturday and sunday and that this will affect my contact that i have with him. I understand that it is great for kids to be involved in sports but is both weekend days too much? What about quality time with family (in this case his mother and sister)? It seems when it comes to this department the people doing or trying to do the right things always end up with the short end of the stick!
How many good families is this department going to destroy before they realise that they are not helping the people who really need it? If anybody knows can someone please point me in the right direction to get some dvice or information even copies of case studdies that may assist me if i add them to a court application.
Thanks all
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thats their game bella....i think their aim is purely to destry the family unit.....re court and solicitors....well after my experience i wouldnt recommend any, but do contact Amnesty International....the more that report to a body independant of any gov here the better....what dept are you involved in?
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Hi kickemout,
I have prevoiusly been involeved with Family Services in Canberra re my daughter who they removed from my care and returned 4.5 years later, after a lot of assesments, now tryong to deal with NSW DOCS Queanbeyan branch for my son!
Thanks for your advice i will contact Amnesty International.
Bella
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Have been trying for years now, this is so good seeing the web here.....gives hope to many, it can only grow.....hence the depth of , what can be called nothing less than terrorism....one branch is much the same as the others.....all the same serial behaviour...and watch those psychologists they are woves in lambs clothing and have no intelligence let alone conscience....Im of the impression they themselves need a bit of shock treatment....into reality.
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Although once in a while you come across a psychologist who give a recommendation that we the little people would agree with and the departments either ignore it and claim to have been to busy to follow it up or get a second opinion, Being that they pay someone to say what they want them to say.
As they say "money cant buy you happiness but it can buy just about everything else"
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because they , the psychologists work f and jump at the depts demands....their only concern is the money they get from them......it would seem the more tafs they have behind their names the more they are listened too.....the docs code of ethics states that peoples beliefs have to be respected.....but they most certainly are not...maybe there are a few out there, but docs controls the whole ball game....and if you object or do not agree in anything , look out, you are then a target to be put down.....such is their serial behaviour.
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Hi,
Oh Bella, that crap is just a ploy to keep you 2 separated. It is one of the many spoken (and not written anywhere) tactics of the department.
You have been doing well to hold up through this. And at the end of the day this child is your flesh and blood. He will be so angry when he is older and understands fully to the extent of how this has turned into a game - his childhood!!
Gosh, I hate this system on your behalf.
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Our children are the next generation of CSOs.
Gotta love that!!
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i wonder if they end up making the psychologists the fall guys for them in the end, when all this is brought out in the open?...they always use some sucker dont they.....
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one of the mermaid team leaders was at the southport courthouse as a legal advisor last i heard of her......boy dod she blush when i spoke up infront of everyone......
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Payload Specialist Level 1
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Oh absolutely.
There is always someone else to blame.
They love it if an assessment report suits their needs... But will kick up a stink if it backs the parent.
But at the end of the day, they rely on their reports and their "feedback" and if they can pin it on another person it suits them if it keeps their noses clean.
No doubt they will forget that they love to copy their Departmental History records and get the psychologist, psychiatrist, paediatrician, intervention worker or whomever to read it before they carry out their assessment.
So regardless of whom they would wish to blame - the information always begins with DoCS.
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