you are right, very interesting topic. The age factor to consented sex. Depends on the state you live in. 16.8 yrs old, if your gay, 17yrs old.
But, why does a 14 yr old have to pay adult fares to movies.?
At 16 you can smoke but cant buy them,in SA at 16 you can obtain a license and either kill or be killed on the roads. at 17 you can be placed in a prison,
But only to DOCS your a child till 18.
Then you have center link at 25 yr old you still classed as a child providing you live with a parent and goto school.

Now as you stated, girls as young as 13 become sexually active.we have even seen 14-15-16 yr old pregnant, Wheres the father?.
So! if the 15-16 yr old is sexually active and whether the man or woman is 17 to 77.
How then does that become pedophilia ???. When there is a division on the age factor that government cant make their mind on.

Well here's one for teenage sex and contraception with DChS...my daughter up until being removed was a virgin with close encounters due to drinking alcohol issues that the dept weren't concerned with at all.

She is currently and throughout the whole foster care period been sexually active. Dtr was considered Gillick Competent so could make the decision to have contraception if she wanted to which she didn't and I also wouldn't consent.

A month ago DChS paid and supported her decision to be on the Implanon but that didn't prevent her getting Chlymadia did it? yes my dd has a sexual disease and she is subject to a interim Child protection Order! I'm disgusted!

LovingMyKids if your girl has got Chlamydia then I would be throwing that straight back at DoCS.

If you maintained guardianship of your daughter while DoCS had custody, then by every right you should have been contacted about the decision to put her on a contraceptive when the decision was still an IDEA.

I wouldn't let this rest... I would be hammering DoCS about the fact that they have put your girl in a situation where she has picked up a sexually transmitted disease.

I wonder if they gave any version of "the talk" before they got her implanted... I'd be interested in knowing if anyone from DoCS spoke with her about sexually transmitted diseases etc.

Don't think I'm taking this casually but I'm not going in shooting my mouth off, we're dealing with the doctors quietly, getting things documented for fool proof hammering because be the day they're going to put the word 'alleged' anywhere near this!

I've had the stern talk of sexually transmitted diseases with her now and did before when I had supervised visit's but I was told this was inappropriate conversations during contact so used against me...

My dtr also said she ignored the talk from the doctor before the implanon was put in so at least the doctor tried.

Good thinking 99.

Sometimes we as parents have to be sneaky and use slight of hand to gain an advantage.

Heck, I do it all the time.

I didn't mean that you should go into your local DoCS office with guns loaded and start firing bullets at the CSO.

The best move for a parent who has something on DoCS is to quietly, quietly catch the monkey.

You have to be one step in front of them all the time. You really have to think outside the square to catch them out.

Yeh and keep your emotions in check...I think my acting is better than Angelina Jolie's, well a close second, just need her looks and I'm right for life! LOL

Sneaky sneaky sneaky! hahahahaha

i was reporting all to a Dr who even saw the children independantly from me.....is all on record for their day of reckoning with my incident.......

LOL

Keeping one step ahead of them is definitely the name of the game.

Anticipating their next move is also an advantage.

This is where parents like us are actually an advantage to parents who are new to involvement with the system.

Parents who are already riding the DoCS carousel can give a new sufferer a head's up on what to expect next.

yep and that is at least some sort of comfort to them......but it still SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING

Yes, even if it is cold comfort.

At this point in the struggle it's better than nothing.

You are definitely right though kickemout... It should not be happening at all.

The whole system needs to be fixed right at the root (the laws) and those involved at every point should be made accountable.

Today's children are the modern stolen generation. My previous solicitor (who kindly retired right in the middle of my case) blew a gasket at a court mention for my case earlier this year and went on record saying that the underhanded tactics DoCS use is participating in a modern stolen generation.

What he said is so true.

One would think in the 21st century with the technology to clone,to save lives,to investigate with instruments that can seek out the truth,Facts.
Australia has always been spineless when it comes to technology.
Yet we have retards that governs us.and it all started with that little frkhead HOWARD. Rudd is the clone to howard.
I thought at one time, Dr Brendon Nelson MP, would of been the man to bring down the corruption of DOCS. Sadly. he to is all talk.

like now on the news,about the baby in a suitcase,murdered by the mother and placed in the river. NEGLECTED by DOCS.for they knew all about it.
And what about that 10 yr old girl from up north,that was gang raped twice?. Why has that stopped being the News?. what about that 10 yr old girl from bribe island,where the father raped and then murdered her, And DOCS knew all about that to, MURDERS.
Who has the criminal record?, I have one, and so Does DOCS. and they dont like it,when I tell them that,when I rub it in their faces. Hence why I am being so abused with adding and tampering of my files.

I am sure most of their attempts are to cover their own butts....yes they are answerable to a lot......and the numbers are gathering.....

Humans care more about animals, dogs/cats/whales,ect. departments people like DOCS workers also work in RSPCA. same attitude.

yet when a human is abused in that same manner,no department body cares and you are now no longer a human,let alone a animal.

heres a good EG: I use to be around 68k's, at one point i went down to 46k's.
I had a dog, and one day a RSPCA officer knocks on my door and says that i have been abusing my dog and that he is under feed.
anger was all i could have and I voiced that.
I show'd this prick a cupboard with tins of dog food and dry food.
Even he said the dog looked in good health. as he was walking away, I said, Mate, how come i got a prick like you walking up and down a street looking for abused animals,yet, right in front of you is a man that you can plainly see needs help, why isnt there a group of people walking up and down a street like you and seeing me, and saying, look there a bony underfeed human, lets investigate. where is a group like that?.
The prick had no response.

The downfall of being an adult who needs some kind of help is the fact that adults are expected to be mature and responsible enough to be able to help themselves.

Now, if you were a habitual hoarder, with the inside and outside of your home piled with rubbish and junk so badly that you had a sheep trail from your front door to the footpath... And you had colonies of mice living in your lounge suite... Your neighbours could smell your refrigerator... And your home and yard was a risk of every possible hazard (fire, disease, chemical waste etc) and the mess of your property could be seen from the moon... Then you MIGHT get help.

But of course, you would first have to undergo assessments and it would be required that you be declared to be suffering from something before anybody makes a move.

ya, me yard, could use a tidy up, havnt seen it for about 3 months.

Assessments....mmmmm...By whom???.and why would they waste their time?.

When i was told by DOCS that i am a sexual predictor and that I hunt children,boys and girls,. I thought by going to a sex therapist/Phyc to have assessment would determine my sexuality and to the gender i prefer. Nopes, no good, cant help me and or dont want to get involved

Gosh I've no idea... Assessments by whomever they can get their hands on at the time... And they would waste their time because it's protocol - part of the "process".

So other then Christ standing beside me, i don't have a chance....

The Aborignal communities have been putting up with this behaviour for many years....one only needs to speak with those adults from the lost generation to know that thhis is common behaviour in gov.....this includes all parties in gov.

I grew up with the Aboriginals. I know their customs, I know their history, I know their abuse by government and the system.

White man hunted the black man, now white man(upper class) are now hunting whites and blacks and any race that come to this so called Lucky Country.

I once said, there will be a civil war in Australia, wont be races against races, it be Us against Them.

You are spot on there Docsniper....the sooner the general public get off their butts and start backing these victims....the less likely it will happen to them, well one can only hope so.

What human soul that has not been invading by DOCS will never ever understand the grief.
The only way, ever, for the public to ever know of this, is by way of media, to do a documentary in the lives of the abused parent/s family/ies. for the Public that is not effected by the virus of DOCS, to see and to feel and to understand that with in Australia Humans are being Discriminated, abused, and the Government are the ones to blame.

For this to go world wide, War is a war, whether with a gun/bombs or with courts to seek justice.
A inquiry into this is also needed to open up the said corruption and to show the world that Australia is NOT that lucky and Fair country.
And that The PM that is in control is not up for the job.

A documentary is ideal, but can only be carried out using parents and children who are not subjected to any orders... Otherwise the law is broken. Oh, a child's face and voice can be masked - but the child can be identified through the parent.

I know a few that will be willing to do their part in a documentary and are not on any orders.

but, why not have any family/parent/s do a home video and use U-Tube?.

when there are orders and there is corruption.....the orders a useless....how else can these morons be exposed

Solicitors and magistrates must love this too, keeps them in a job! Poor children, poor children!

Well the Magistrates and lawyers would with criminals about but DChS wouldn't have too much of a job, they would have to really do their job with those that are abusing children! They don't take on them cases do they?! Not out here they don't anyway!

Did you say you had BPD? You seem ok to me, more normal than most in DChS, you've got common sense and that goes along way with fighting a case against DChS...it really does so dont' think you can't do this, you can, you just don't trust anything the Dept proposes and think one step ahead of the Dept at all times...

You may have certain times to contact the Dept, nothing stops letters going through, pm me for more info if you like!

Got it and replied!

Just because someone has a mental health diagnosis it does not and should not rule them out as being a fit parent.

LOL


"I Am Sam" is proof of that... The movie with Michelle Pfeiffer and Sean Penn. I bet that movie ruffled a few feathers when it was released.

You would think wouldn't you thisisgood but this is what is happening, even with depression...

You have the mental health system trying to promote mental health not as a stigma to deny or hide from then you have DChS who use it in such a way as taboo that people are too scared to go to psychiatrists to be properly diagnosed to get good fitting help knowing that DChS can just remove your child and go for guardianship orders, where they don't think of parent or child even when things get better...Disgusting...

This not only drives the parents further insane - but it's been known kids have suicided themselves due to the oppression DChS give out to these families.

That's why there is a term in court such as Scandalous and oppressive, b/c it's known to happen in any society, but especially so in court jurisdictions...

and that is exactly what DChS present when trying to win their case, scandalous and oppressive material which for parents is a legal argument for their case and should be mentioned that that's what the Dept have submitted...

A magistrate has to listen to the parent/s once this is said, and even though he/she will require a response affidavit it really isn't that difficult to do.

You just present the truth of the matter in the same format the Dept has, responding to each allegation in order the Dept has presented it but try to be brief. And split statements into paragraphs for easier reading, dates and non-administration of the law in bold to gain attention etc...

If you can prove that they lied, the onus is on the Dept who then have to prove by evidence that either they are right or you statement is false...

Let them try! That's why you always become a hoarder of reports/letters, and any other paperwork for anything happening in your life....better than the tax system of keeping things for 5 years, you keep them for life!

Guardianship order or custody order? They are 2 different things.

It's a bit of a grey area, the idea of removing a child because the parent was diagnosed by a shrink.

Doctor/patient confidentiality comes into play. The only time the shrink can divulge info is either because they believe the child is at risk of harm, or DoCS subpoena the file.

The main reason why parents won't seek psychiatric help for themselves is the cost. A good psychiatrist is around $500 per hour.

Also, if a parent has obtained help from a psychiatrist BEFORE DoCS become involved it really doesn't hold a lot of water for DoCS to remove the child from the home... The only thing they can really claim to "need" to do is monitor the parent. Particularly if the child has not been harmed.

The parent has taken responsible steps... They have sought help, received a diagnosis, commenced treatment.

Also, the chance of getting a psychiatrist that is in the pocket of DoCS would be pretty unlikely. DoCS on the Gold Coast don't have a shrink in the vicinity - they send parents to one particular psychiatrist in Brisbane. And there are loads of shrinks in this area.

It has commonly been guardianship orders are sought if 1 parent has a mental health condition and the other is unwilling and unable or both have mental health conditions...well that's the DChS excuse anyhoo...and that is whether or not they sought help before DChS involvement, including post natal depression.

It might be just my area for DChS to target parents with mental health but I know it's common.

Yeah? I didn't know... I just learned something. LOL

Mind you, my case has never really involved mental health... They tried it, but got their butts busted and didn't like it at all.

Post Natal Depression is a nothing thing. By that, I mean it's so darn common. The instances of diagnosed PND are rising constantly. It's the depth of the condition that varies (mild, moderate, severe).

It's so common that they will try to have it diagnosed as something else more serious to validate their claim that they MUST be granted an order.

And how many Drs mis diagnose these days.....hell they come up with new names for conditions continually.....probably because they are academic idiots.....most of them anyway.

New names are often given to conditions that have been around for decades.

I know that ADD/ADHD has had about 3 or 4 different names in the last century.

The only good thing about any kind of diagnosis is that if DoCS think that it's wrong - that the person/child does NOT have that condition - they can not change the fact that the person/child HAS been diagnosed.

Whether it's accurate or inaccurate, a diagnosis has occurred.

iT IS ALL MIND GAMES......

The whole thing behind a DoCS case is a mind game.

Just reading the contents of an affidavit alone can screw with a parent's head and they love that... The know that many parents out there don't really understand what is written in affidavits and that works in their favour in the court room.

Ask a CSO about the affidavit and they'll tell you to get legal advice. Sure, legal reps understand the terminology and wording of affidavits, but not everyone can afford a solicitor and not everyone is granted Legal Aid.

And then there are reports... Written in a language that is geared around th knowledge of that of the professional who wrote it. DoCS themselves will admit that often they don't understand what's written in the reports - but they commissioned them.

How many parents here know what "Gillick competent" means? And "scales" - on the X scale at this percentage rah rah rah.

And at the end of the day the parent is worn down. Their head is completely done in by unfounded accusations and terminology and abbreviations that they don't understand.

I could comment but I am too tired and better go off to bed.
Have plenty to say on this topic another time.
Goodnight.