I am just a nobody that has been burnt by this Department of Child safety and nobody has to go through what we as a family went through.
The below is an indication only but for every one that could be wrong i bet you nine are correct so please have fun and do some reading.
I m no Lawyer just a average man, the average family man that has clicked on how this monster operates and will dedicate his life until Its bought down.

Remember this is not Legal Advice, When DOCS knocks on your DOOR tell them to piss off and RING A LAWYER IMMEDIATELY.



Your children must be taught a few matters, THIS IS A MUST!.

1. If this department ever comes to school to talk to your children for whatever reason, ( PS THIS IS THEIR FAVOURITE TRICK!!!) your children must not talk to them, your Children must refuse to talk to them, the child must ask the Deputy Head Master or the Headmaster who must be present that “I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY CLASS”. Repeat it again if they refuse and if they continually keep talking to your child and trying to intimidate your child which they always do and have a tape recorder stuck in their faces, tell your children “I will report you to the Youth Advocacy and Child Guardian unless you let me go back to class” THIS MUST BE DONE!!!!!!!!!.
2. For the parents: I will only talk about the Department of Child Safety side of things for the moment, (Plenty of time for JAB later) but I encourage all parents to buy a current law book available everywhere, the best money you could ever spend, but what I would like to tell parents is
3. If you are in dispute with the Department of Child Safety for whatever reason, DO NOT TRUST THEM WHATSOEVER. They have to be the most perverted liars, fabricators, intimidators on this planet.
4. Never go to their offices without an independent witness or a lawyer.
5. Never speak to them over the phone, this is an absolute NO NO NO NO NEVER DO THIS !!!! and if you have to speak to them over the phone because you are forced into it ( LIKE THEY HAVE STOLEN YOUR KIDS FROM SCHOOL), I totally recommend to hang up and ring them back but ring them from another site that has a silent number and you can speak to them over an open phone ( SPEAKER PHONE) for the reason is that you can liaise with the Department of Child Safety whilst you have a credible witness listening to the conversation. When I mean Credible witness, I do not mean the police they have lost their creditability , ( IF POSSIBLE) I mean a justice of the peace, a lawyer, a retired judge, a clergyman, a urgent visit to your family Doctor preferably more than one witness in the room. By doing this, they will use their usual tricks of intimidation and lies only to be caught out if it goes further. It’s a pity we can’t use tape recorders without permission these days ( YOU CAN ONLY RECORD YOUR VOICE ONLY), by the way the police do, they record your conversations without telling you. Don’t you JAB.
As you probably do or don’t know most of the times you cannot use legal aid on
family matters, the Department of Child Safety know this and this is how they screw you, knowing you can’t afford a lawyer .
Another thing, always ask them to liaise with you IN WRITING ONLY. They don’t like this.
6. If the department finds out you are bashing them on internet sites, they will warn you ( NOT ON PAPER THEY”RE NOT STUPID) that they will try their hardest that you will never see your kids again ( AGAIN IF THEY RING YOU SAY I AM BUSY HANG ON I WILL RING YOU BACK IN 10 MINUTES AND GET WITNESSES!!!!! TO LISTEN TO YOUR PHONE CALL). These are the things you need to be recorded via independent witnesses, since you are not legally allowed to record them with a recording device.
7. They will always threaten you that they will get a court order to take the kids away, again if you are guilty, go to hell, but if you are genuinely innocent, tell these rotten bastards “I will see you in court”, ( PS Most magistrates are sick of DOCS) but please get your facts correct and if they intimidate you over the phone, like the above and you turn up at court with a witness saying this, saying that, what I heard over an open phone, the magistrate will be on your side. Trust me, this department fights dirty, you have to be a little bit smarter.
8. If you ever have to speak to this department face to face, please make sure you have an independent witness next to you just listening to what they say, trust me, they behave differently this way. If they do happen to say something relevant but not likely in front of witnesses because they are not that stupid, ensure that your witness records on paper preferably in hand writing what was said and has it witnessed by a Justice of the Peace. Do not take a dummy that has not got the guts to stand up to them with you, If they ask the witness to remove themselves out of the room the both of you walk out of the DOCS office
9. Just by reading the above you can see they must have a problem and its just that they are absolute liars. Please use Googles search engine only and type in Dept of Child Safety or The Department of Child Safety and read the horrific stories in there what they have done to peoples lives, especially when they get it wrong.
10. NEVER under any circumstances sign anything!! NEVER, I repeat it again NEVER!!!!! If they shove a bit of paper in your face, tell them you want a lawyer to read it and he or she will tell you DON’T SIGN ANYTHING. This is one of the most common tricks they use. What I am trying to tell you is if you have the money to afford a good lawyer, you are treated differently, if you have to rely totally on legal aid for any reason, may God have mercy on your soul because you will be crucified .
11. Please use the Freedom of information act and access you files, Also get your solicitor to access with a court order the same files, YOU WILL BE SURPRISED THE BITS THEY HAVE EDITED, CUT OUT, REMOVED FROM YOUR COPY but the court order copy sent to the Solicitor will be different.
12. You have a right to educate your Children If old enough to run away if stolen from your house or school and If your child is not old enough the eldest child can find the youngest and remove them from these child stealers. This has been done plenty of times. You go to work and get taught accident or fire drills, do the same in case if DOCS ever steals your kids DON”T TELL ME THIS WON’T HAPPEN TO YOU BECAUSE IT CAN,TREAT IT AS A ROAD ACCIDENT AS IT CAN HAPPEN ANYTIME.

The Department of Child Safety has articles against them throughout the internet today, yes they do good sometimes when they get it right, but I will say it again, what happens when they totally get it outrageous, ridiculously wrong and they don’t want to back down only because you stood up to them as most decent law abiding people would do? They never say sorry like our prime minister did, they just go on and steal someone else’s kids. There have been numerous forums, threads including news threads on news sites all against the Department of Child Safety and the way they conduct themselves, but the biggest gripe I see is the way they lie or lie to cover a situation or mistakes ( Shreading EVIDENCE OF A MISTAKE BOUGH UP BY ANOTHER CASE WORKER). They would have to be the most perverted, disgusting benders of the truth, liars, zealots that its possible to deal with All these people who write these different articles on the internet cannot be liars or be wrong and I must warn people, that these thugs TRY TO PUT PRESSURE VIA THE POLICE OR WHOEVER ON SITE OWNERS TO REMOVE NEGATIVE ARTICLES AGAINS THIS DEPARTMENT. This has happened now 4 times, sites have mysteriously disappeared or have only been put into a read only mode or have gone totally underground where only victims of this department can join and liaise with other members who have been butchered and ABUSED by DOCS. Only main news sites still have stories against DOCS as I can’t see these major players getting bullied by these bitches and their Lawyers. Just in case you have fallen asleep I will say it again,
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GET IT WRONG.

Now That I have revealed the most hated Government Department in the next few months and up to one year (I have a reason for this) I will reveal a FOI Document showing the most hated Department Child safety office in Queensland.
Yes this office that has had the most complaints put against them. And after that what do I have HaHaHa a big surprise.
Please all get where ever you can a current book on QLD laws via Legal Aid or the publishers.


AGAIN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GET IT WRONG?


The Above information is only information and not legal advice, Please get Legal advice from a practicing Lawyer.

If the DChS come to your door claiming to have an order to remove children they can ONLY DO SO WHEN handing you a piece of paper stating it is a Temporary Assessment order approved by a magistrate of a certain courthouse and will include the date and time it was approved and when it ends.

It is for investigation purposes but don't expect investigations to happen, they usually wait until the 3rd day and then apply for a CAO - court assessment order which you have to be served a copy of the affidavit and papers but not always or an interim custody order so always make sure this has been submitted into court with affidavit material when the TAO ends because if it hasn't the police have to return your children for you from DChS!

Also when they question your kids, never allow them to talk with them alone, DChS and police have to wait for an independant support person to sit with them as it is illegal to talk with children without your consent for this to happen!

Also make sure this Temporary Assessment Order has the Children's Court stamp on it. This is to verify that it is indeed a copy that the Magistrate has granted.



That's correct. A Temporary Assessment Order (TAO) only goes for 3 days. It can be extended for a further 3 days, but magistrates are reluctant to do so. Within the 3 day period of the TAO if the invesitgation has not been completed, they then apply for the CAO which goes for a period of 4 weeks, however this can also be extended.



They must ALWAYS give you the paper work for the CAO and it MUST be the copy that has been lodged with the court. You MUST be given the affidvait and order which have both been stamped with the Children's Court stamp and this should be given to you before the date that it will be heard in court. They are able to give it to you the day before court, however if this happens, either get your solicitor or if representing yourself, ask the court for the matter to be adjourned to allow you time to read through the material. The CAO must be lodged with the court before the TAO expires, otherwise the children have to be returned as there is no valid order on the children. If the TAO has a provision for custody then this custody will continue once the CAO has been lodged and until it is heard in court.



Actually this part isn't totally correct. They can talk to children at school under section 17 of the CP Act and don't need to have a support person with the child unless it is believed the child needs one due to age etc or asks for one. A magistrate can also grant a TAO which only allows DChS to have contact with a child so that child can be interviewed. However if this order is granted there is no provision which states that the child must have a support person.

I found more information on the interviewing process here http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/p...-assessment/interview-child-process.html and here http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/p...estigation-assessment/support-guide.html

So in simple words if they entered into my house which they did and if my kids were home which they were not but say if they were home and if they interviewed them alone say the cop and child safety and nobody else would that be illegal?
If I am correct I hate Gov told me they entered his house crabbed his young children which were under 10 years old and questioned them each for over 40 minutes which included asking the same question numerous times over and over.

Thanks to the lots of you's for all the support and information as I feel a lot better ever since I have been able to come on this site.
The wife and others in my family are also reading.
Thankyou.

Justiceforall, thank you for the corrected touch ups...on the above points I mentioned...I'm not a lawyer, just through experience of learning.

In relation to speaking with the children, always teach your children never to speak to strangers on their own and to demand a family friend, family member or adult friend if parents aren't allowed. Yes the child has to request this but teach your children to demand it like it's a stranger danger issue no matter what, even teach them to scream if they are tried to be talked to without another trusting adult around...it will panic the workers.

Can you please tell me as I have looked at the act above, can a Department of Child Safety Officer and a police woman interview a child under the age of 10 without independent witnesses in their own home being present?

Yes sorry to say but that was true and apparently this has happened to a few that DOCS and JAB have entered the house after you letting them in and abused you because of you not knowing the law.
Could you imagine taking a young child just turned 8 and shutting the bedroom door and two FAT GARLIC BREATHING ELEPHANTS interrogating this child for 30 minutes and asking Sexual question that a child at that age doesn't even understand.

endofdays please be careful what you say on a public forum that has been said to you via the pm service.

Mumkids

This is exactly what I wont to know.
The problem with Solicitors today is you can ask this question to 10 different Solicitors and you will get 6 different answers.

I was clearly told by a few counsellors, social workers etc...that it is easy to manuever to speak to a child on their own because of the vulnerability of the child and the fact there is no law really on this to say they can't talk to a child on the child's own but if that child has asked for a support/advocate person by name in front of independant witnesses including the parents, the Dchs and police HAVE TO RETRIEVE THIS PERSON or another person of neutral means.

But as if a 5 year old is going to know to say this when they're confused and scared about what's happening around them unless you brain wash your child and give them a cue especially in the middle of the night and have it recorded that this was asked...

Always have the person sitting in be a advocate, not a support because an advocate can speak in half of the child, a support person cannot and can be asked to leave the room if they try.

I will ask my lawyer today about the above.
What bothers me is what child is going to know of any age that they want as support person or a advocate to be present with them during an interview.
Again the filthy police and docs are using their knowledge to outwit the parent
May i ask lovingMykids and the other member JusticeForAll get together and start a new topic on the do's and don't like I hate Gov Dept did about the matters above as this way it will not be lost in the system.
Thanks

Do members want a topic specifically about Teporary Assessment Orders, Court Assessment Order and Child Protection orders?

Maybe that's an idea JusticeForAll..., I've learnt only from experience and what worked for me. You explain it like a professional but still in simple laymen terms...the public parents do need to be educated and the earlier intervention they know about the better.

What they can legally do before and after the TAO might be good as well.

I want to prevent kids being unjustly removed based on false facts!

I'm more than happy to pass on what little knowledge i have and what i have researched on the net.

The Child Protection Order part might take a little while because there are so many different types of orders.

FALSE FACTS!!
The word I use is false allegations and lies from DOCS CSO's and this is the only reason why I am here.
WHY DID YOU HAVE TO LIE DOCS BITCH.
You might see that I continually say bitch,Slut,mole,whore, well sorry to say all, as from day one when this all started we have not had anything to do with the other gender whatsoever FULL STOP!.

JusticeForAll

If you think it will help one person ease their pain you get my blessing

Yes please, ease my pain :((

Sorry for the false facts, I meant the fact that they are false...lol your right I Hate GOV DEPT false allegations and lies is plainly what they do in every step of their investigations, assessments and reporting...how can parents win against that?! THEY WILL AND THEY DO! It's just so very rare and even then there's no one accountable for when that happens!

Perhaps if members could list what areas they would like information on I may be able to cover these areas specifically.

Hi,
brilliant information. Thanks.

The more the better.

It doesnt matter about the laws they dont even follow it themselves....one team leader from mermaid beach told me and my family they are a law unto themselves....and in this instance....she was right.

They are a law unto themselves.

This is what needs to change.

If the personal opinion of a Team Leader is that they are a law unto themselves... Then it just goes to show how much personal opinion counts when it comes to DoCS.

I would hate to be a DoCS worker when I face my judgment at the Pearly Gates.

No they will go straight to hell!

No Hell is too good too! There'll be something more damaging out there for them one day they will have to confront, like a conscience severe with guilt, there's nothing like mental head games for punishment like they've done to others...

Do to others as you would have them do for you...

There's a natural justice in this prinicpal and it works, for some it doesn't take long, for others their time is yet to come!

what does it say....as you reap, so shall you sow....otherwise known as KARMA....wonder what they end up losing for the pain and suffering theyve impinged on children and their families....may not happen right away....but it sure catches up on you........mm ...God doesnt punish.....he simply turns his eyes away from offenders, I guess thats when they end up in their own hell.......ah yes reaping and sowing.....And where are all these supposed Priests, Pastors and the like......not a murmer....

Yes, and it doesn't always come back to but a person on the butt the same way either.

But what goes around comes around - that is for sure.