And what to do when these fostered children that bounce around home to home? the government then farms them out to private operators who get paid $$$ to look after the most unplaceable children.

It becomes a money making exercise that businesses can gather the government dollar now after these children become so damaged that they can't fit into a normal household.

yo.
I have no concerns about statistics.

I have concerns of how and when I/we can get DOCS into a courtroom.

I am also concerned about Chinese whispers.
I dont Fabricate events, what I said 5 yrs ago, I still say to this day. The same.

Why is there people on here Fabricating about a class action ?.

I want truth and Justice, Not lies and deception.

And Mr Andrew McCallum from the Association of Chilren's Welfare Agencies says that this snatch and grab method of taking children off parents is short sighted - "It's short-term political thinking and it's very damaging for children".

"Honestly, if we were to start from scratch and design a system to protect children fro harm, would it involved taking them away from their parents at every opportunity? Of course it wouldn't."

"We'd have a preventative model, the same as we do with public health. Everybody understands the role of preventation when it comes to health. Everybody understands that you have to encourage people to stop smoking, to eat healthily. But with child welfare, there's this idea that parents must be punished by taking the children."

"What we could do instead is throw resources at these households. It may mean insuring the children are taken to school each day; that the mother attends a drug treatment centre; that breakfast pregrams are put into place; that mental health services visit the home."

It's a good article.
I applaud this man Mr Andrew McCaullum, who is the Chief Executive of the above mentioned organisation.
He puts it into simply english and terms.
It is not rocket science this effective pro- active, simplistic, preventative meaures to keep children safe and together within the family unit.

HELLO HEAR US GOVERNMENT.
OTHER PEOPLE/ ORGANISATIONS ARE SAYING THE SAME MESSAGE.

I AM NOT JUST SOME FREAK ON MY COMPUTER, WHO SHOULD BE IGNORED.

28,000 children in care right now as I type this.

Hmmm, sounds like 28,000 next generation stolen chidren.

So who has the balls to change this current system?
The snatch and grab method (or scooping method as some call it) does not work in the best interests of the children.

I am so sick of hearing these front lines docs worker say "we are only concerned about the child".

Oh let's get real, it isn't in the best interests of the child.

So who needs are we meeting? Not the child's, not the families',not the communities, not your or mine.

Remember Ms Margaret Keech's C.A.R.E. values (children, accountability, respect, excellence)we know the truth it stands for Cover Arse Remain Employed.
Yep, that's whose needs it is meeting.

And before I answer Mr Sniper.

I also read about how all these private carer type companies are gleaming lots of money for these children classified as difficult. So why can't the money be sent towards keeping the family unit together?? the parents are victimised instead.

And as a side issue I bet docs/ government body later go in and later reassess these kids after a certain time frame and then scale their rating down of the child and their needs so they can then be placed back into group housing situations and presto they would decompensate in their behaviours. this would be done due to cost not through concern for child.

See I am personally convinced that the government DOES NOT really care one bit about any child in this state. It is about money.

So maybe next time one of those uninformed power crazy child Safety Officers try and say "oh we are only concerned with the child"; they should say " We are only concerned about the government's purse".

PREVENTION IS BETTER THAT CURE.

Now Mr sniper, yes I understand what you are saying. Is someone setting us up?
It was Ms Justice4All who said that there is supposed to be an ad calling people for class action against docs.
Ask her.
I didn't follow it up (as I said I would) but it looks like you did.

?dead end?

thisisgood... How long did it take you to work that out?

We keep them all employed.

Without parents like us - they'd be redundant.

They don't touch the children who are suffering with extreme mental challenges (and help the families out) because they don't want their case workers to get hurt.

The phone number for Cairn's Post is
(07) 4052 6666.

OK to end rumours about this class action thing posted into the Cairn's Post in their weekend newspaer.
I just rang the newspaper direct. I spoke with a Sophia in the newsroom and

YES

an ad did run on the weekend. (15.11.08)

The wording goes on along these lines (Sophia read it so quickly I couldn't write it all down)

Parent's and guardian of cairn's district, who have been incorrectly dealt with by the Department of child Safety please ring
Angela
0429160656
to register to mount class action against this department.

YES the ad did go into Cairn's post

ring Angela

0429 160 656



I'm going to ring her now.....

ha ha ha the mobile number is switched off at this point in time.

I'll try later.

Also I gave my details to Cairn's Post as they look to be aiming to write a story about all this. I gave them this web site etc.

Incidentally, there has been around 1,400 views onto this forum alone in the past 24 hours.

Ohh I feel excited, I want to go and hand out flyers, bugger this rain!!!

Oooh!

I reckon I know who it was who posted that ad about a class action. LOL

I think I might go off and contact a few people over this call for class action thing.

Ha ha - I want to actually see someone take docs to court and WIN. Then it will open the flood gates.

I wrote as the last paragraph of my official complaint about how docs operated in our lives, which by the way I still have not heard anything about -

"It is plain to see that one day if this sort of unprofessional practice continues then the Queensland government is going to find themselves liable through class action.
It will be a scramble to find who to point and shift the blame to when The Queensland Department of Child Safety is reined in for investigation."

In my reading I am seeing where there is an estimate that 1 in 20 children will have a notification taken out on them before these children reach 18 yo.
One in 20 is pretty high.
I am reading where the likes of Dorothy Scott (Australian Centre for Child Protection) is saying that the current child protection methods is not sustainable.

well we know this.

Prevention is better than cure.

I also read where there is apparently lots of organisations that work with families in a preventative measure. But from where I stand as a community health worker in South East Queensland I can only name a handful. I am on the front line here; am I somehow misinformed?

There is a real needs basis for more support for families. For there to be more effective parenting strategies taught.

I watch parents in action in the community, I see what goes on like you do. It is rare to see parents smack children but I listen to what people say to their kids, it is not always good and these parents/ caregivers don't look to be drug affected, mental health service recipients either.

And having said that I am by far not the best parent in the world; let's get that clear.

Hello to the FOI person I just spoke to from docs. I hope you enjoy what you read here!

(I just had a phone call saying there is such a back log that it is taking realistically 12 months to get your file copy back under FOI)

another blanket statement....it is deemed a refusal when they do not supply the info within the allocated time........too much to hide .....

Ya right, I did the same
One from the QLD cops and that took less then 4 weeks to get to me.
and the DOCS, 8 months it took to get to me, and even then when I was ringing up every week, she informs me of the Forde inquire, and the redress scheme.
Thats the government conceding they Abused and are stupid.

They abused me when i was a youth, as they do now, and as they are doing to my offsprings. The cycle hasnt stopped.

I have rang Angela, and have spoken to her.

Troopers: lets get this party started.

And DOCS, bring a check book.

that explains why they are still abusing you Docsniper...the stories of their treatment on you as a young person.....yep that is definitely their modem operandum.

I was a lab rat for them, was experimented upon, made to do things I now know was so frking wrong.
That lousy 7000 and a fake sorry will be peanuts compare to what they will be paying me soon.

And the stupid thing is, back in 2003, if they then investigated this issue with me, when I went to the office and asked for that half way point. this would not be happening now.

If the workers had more of a brain and a little compassion to also seek the truth. then this compo would never been mentioned.
And 3 children would not have gone to waste.
But then again. if DOCS did the job correctly, I would still have a family, I would still have the love and i would still be wanted for the man I am.

Congrats to DOCS your own Bullshit has final hit you in the face.
The more you continue to crap on the more you will have to pay, Simple logics.

Now lets see how many workers in the next few weeks consider another from of employment.
By golly....:D

hi,

Mr sniper what 7,000 are you talking about?

$7000 compensation that was giving to me to waste on living in SA when Family SA removed me from a home to the streets and then to the watch house to a living room on a mattress on the floor, paying $130 pw being there over 5 weeks, money wasted trying to survive.

Hi,

I just wish to point out to the viewers that only keep looking at this topic alone that there are 4 other pages of topics.
If you care to scroll down on this first page to
"A neglectful system" it is very good reading and just posted on today.

more government oppression is about to rear its ugly head

whomever the gov considers are a dysfunctional family......and they certainly are creating them by their own antics........ are bringing in what they already have initiated with the Indiginous community....complete control of people's welfare payments.....

that means...they wont give you cash but vouchers....just like the Aboriginal people have happening to them this very day....

my question is who are going to monitor the dysfunctional families of the perpetrators of this heinous scheme....and is this removing and wrecking of family units part of the plot to take over....

gov have society fooled into thinking that dysfunctional families are only those whho are monetary poverished...even most of this is because of the corruption and oppression of basic human rights....fact is there are more dysfunctional families in the upper class sector of society.....and it is their activities that oppress the lower class.

Interesting by the standards of this day and age...that when these welfare payments were first introduced in the early 1900's.....the recipients were given ...equal to today's standards .four times the amount that are given today.....

The elderly and the young in this country are in a very sad situation.....and one can only thank the middle sector of society for their apathetic and selfish mentality....greed avarice etc etc etc

THE GREAT AUSSIE ATTITUDE



SHE'LL BE RIGHT MATE



NOT !!!!!!!!!!

yeah! ay, fool the world, with paul hogan..and the ad for terrorism, I mean tourism.

and the echoing words of, Fair go, Mate!!!!!.

Hi,

I am so glad you mentioned this kickemout.
I read it on the front page of The Australian (19.11.08) today.
It states there that it will be the child protection agencies will be the ones who will control this welfare issue as it is mainly targeting the ones who are known already to child protection services.
So I walked off thinking about it all.
More power to these docs type agencies! More power to the government.

I see the pros and cons to this.

At least it will be targeting the whites as well as the blacks so to avoid discrimination.

Then i thought all us who are branded 'bad parents' could end up with docs liaising with Centrelink.
I thought about myself in all this when docs were involved in my life.
I thought since docs involvement basically brought no benefits to our lives but physical, emotional and neglect style of abuse to my son whilst in foster care and I am left with a $20,000 bills to fight docs in court. So I had to remortgage my home for another $20,000. (How many times do I tell you this point!)

Hmmm, docs getting involved in my finances??

Inicdentally I am paying $525 per week in home loan repayments (which is about 3.8 the basic amount) - just so the viewers get an idea.

I do get around $50.00 per week from Centrelink because I am a single parent. It doesn't go on your financial situation but rather that you are a single parent so even if I grossed one million per annum I will always get this minimum benefit each week from Centrelink.

So then I thought I would like (in fantasy) to get a tatoo stamped on my forehead (where the 666 should go) and it should say this along with the docs file number -

BAD PARENT
#666


Anyway on the postitive side at least this control isn't going to just be for my dark skinned brothers alone.

I once worked in an aboriginal community as a registered nurse. I want to see how this new system works.
Will it work? I'll be surprised if it does.

I am concerned about this handout turning into a further control of these people. It does not empower people but will further stigmatize them. I can see dodgy dealings going on - black market stuff- swapping grocery vouchers for slabs of VB.

I want to see real statistics of the outcome of this after 12, 24, 36 months afterwards.

I am not convinced.

It is bit of a knee jerk reaction to get around the racist issue that this sort of thing brings.

And hey, it doesn't concern me. The mentality of "F the abo's and scum on the dole, they deserve it".

Where is the education component to all this? I bet it won't exist. It will just be a punitive intervention.

i HAVE MANY LETTERS FROM ABORIGINAL ELDERS FROM ALL OVER AUSTRALIA WHICH HAVE BEEN SENT TO ME....THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE DOLING OUT OF VOUCHERS....THEY DO NOT WANT IT OR THE GOV INTERVENTION....ONE ELDERLY LADY SAYS THAT SHE CANT FIX HER CAR BECOS THEY WONT GIVE HER THE MONEY, AND SO SHE CANT GO AND SHOP OR GET HER MEDICATION.......THIS SORT OF THING IS IN ALL OF THEIR LETTERS....GOV CONTROL = NOTHING LESS THAN SLAVERY WHICH = DEPRIVATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

WHERE ARE ALL THESE YOU BEAUTY HUMAN RIGHTS, ETC ETC GEEKS....CRAWLING UNDER THEIR DESKS.....NO DOUBT...WHAT ABOUT KEECH AND HER MINISTRY FOR WOMEN.....ARE YOUR STAFF NOT FORWARDING ALL THE COMPLAINTS.....ANNA BLIGH....FEEDING TOURISTS INSTEAD OF THE ELDERLY...AND NOT SUPPORTING THE WOMEN AND THEIR BABIES......EASIER TO PUT FAECES INTO THE WATER.....DONT WE GET ENOUGH OF IT OVER THE NEWS....?

Hi,

I just wish to state that I am not afraid of 'spilling my guts' on this forum.

I want the viewers to understand that it is not always the minority group who get targeted by docs.
If you saw me and saw me in action in my home with my child, at work, etc you would be scratching your head as to why docs removed child for up to 7 months.
If you saw me 1 hour, 1 week, 1 year before docs intervened in our lives you would not think there would ever be a notification on my child.

Docs have taken us to hell and back. they are finished with me. And if they tried any of their crap on us again I know exactly how to play the game.
Their games and lies would not stand up in court again.

I choose to tell you things about myself, I choose to disclose my personal information.

No forum or person is accountable for me if the government picks on me due to what I disclose!

There is a thing called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

So if docs are still in your lives then I do say play it smart, do think about what you write. So be careful with how much you disclose. Do imagine where it could lead to.

It is your actions - you own it.
No one on this forum forced your hand to type.

Well said this is good....... It is not wise to put your case forward when you are still active with the dolts of gov....remember they will use anything to discredit you....it is best left to those who have been through it all....remember the purpose here is to bring public attention to what is happening in your lives......it is not the intent of anyone to further traumatise your already trraumatised life....we all know what any gov is capable of in attempts to cover their own butts...... it is of utmost importance not to jeoprodise your current position with these dolts....remember they have the country's best legal eagles fighting you and they know it.....such is the unjustice system of this somewhat God forsaken governing body.

Hi,

I wrote the above as I am lead to believe that someone 'spilt their guts' on here about 2 or 3 weeks ago and now docs are wreaking further havoc in their lives.
And then because power4parents is encouraging folk to write out their experiences people are now targeting the blame onto this one person.

Have a look in the aus-city forum, under general, under power4parents, under the first topic. I am not imagining it.

And I would like to put it out there for all to see and to end the chinese whispers that go on behind the scenes.

I ask you - look at people's motives. It was written by power4parents with the best of intention -P4P was not intending to get anyone into trouble.
P4P's intentions are to expose what this government organisation is doing to some families, how they operate, how to play their game, to educate the public and to be an advocate for families who are under docs scrutiny. How to avoid the docs trap in the first place and how to be a more effective parent.
P4P is alturistic in her motives.

Don't listen to gossip, get it right by hearing both sides of the stories.

Class Action
against the Department of Child Safety, Queensland.

call Angela 0429 160 656

it's for real. I rang her today.

I 2nd that

Hi,

today in The Courier Mail ( around page 5 - 20.11.08) there is an article about clamping down on bad parents. It goes on about centrelink getting involved along with other agencies and linking it all up. Some man who was from some organisation (can't remember now as I didn't buy the paper just had a free read in the newsagent!) said that too much abuse is going on.

This article in The Courier Mail was basically saying too many bad parents and too many child abuse cases going on.

Yet just this same week we have a different picture painted by The Australian.
It was intimating that Child Protection is failing our children and close to collapse. In those articles it talks about how too many children are taken into care as the workers worry about if they get it wrong. They have the laws to back them up to put these children into care even if these CSO types are not fully convinced themselves that the children are at grave risk of harm.

The Australian (Monday 17.11.08 - page 7) states -
"Children who go into care at a very young age end up with attachment problems. Research has shown that their brains don't develop properly. They have difficulty trusting anyone."

Yes, think back to those developmental theorist - Errickson (?spelling?)
Trust versus Mistrust
Autonomoy versus shame and doubt

So by taking children out of their homes the government is exposing the children to developmental problems.

So whilst we are 'saving' these vulnerable children by removing them we are adding to any problems the child may face.

Remember docs give more attention to under 5 yo -
which could be interpreted that there is more of a chance these children will be removed from their homes.


So throwing more money at docs/ child protection services is NOT the answer.
Just last evening I was going through the statistics of how much funding docs is receiving each financial year. It is growing enormously.

but the assistance offerred to parents and care-givers does not have the same growth.

The prevention measures does not seem to be considered but rather more power to snatch and grab.

So all you people who just read The Courier please get a more complete picture of the complexities of this issues and read around the subject at hand.

sounds like all their lines are crossed through gross mis information.....or it is being done to confuse the public....

So what is just around for parents to get assistance with??

I think it was yesterday that I said I don't think there is much around. Today I decided to write out what I can think of.

The fact is that most parents who come to the attention of docs have a history of domestic violence, drug & alcohol issues, mental health issues.

So I personally would recommend you if you fall into these categories to seek education, support and help from these organisations -

ring D.V helpline -

You can obtain counselling by seeing your GP and getting a 'mental health care plan' which is basically a referral to a counsellor. There are free psychologist on the Gold Coast.

Centre care

Life Line (these organisations like can direct you to suitable options)

OzCare

Salvation Army

Relationships Australia

Family Relationship services

StVincent's de Paul "children and Families Program" at Beenleigh ph: 3807 6623

There is the triple P parenting course held at various locations

Drug & alcohol issues - ring Biala or look at attending the 'back in control' program. there is ADIS 24 hours counselling service.
AMMEND - a NGO c/o Anglican church
and there is alway AA and NA.

Parent Chld and family Support Program - run by QuIHN - 3854 1070

Parent help line

Mens line Australia - 1300 78 99 78

Parent child therapy unit - Psychology Dept. Griffith Uni.

Foundations child and Family Support Ltd. 1300 854 733

And often there are some groups/ services held at your local neighbourhood centre

If docs are telling you to see some professional of their choice I would be inclined to get a 2nd opinion as often these say differently to what docs chosen professional diagnoses your problem as.
You are always entitled to a second opinion.

So get pro-active and don't just whinge about docs and do something and get proof of what you attend.

Homeless? try HOST or HHOT

If docs are trying to say you are 'non compliant' with your medication regieme then you can always get a print out of your scripts filled at your chemist as proof.


And remember avoid ringing docs at all costs!!