when you do ring them...they are never available anyway.......

nor di you get a call back....just that infamous silent treatment...then the crisis mob get on your case too......that is when the trouble really starts.....remember they are all the same mob!!!!

Hi,

Now to clear things up.

We are not pro child abuse or condone it in any way.

We, the people, who are on this forum believe that the child protection unit in Queensland is staffed by many corrupt staff who twist the facts, outrightly lie to further incriminate parents and care givers.
We believe that there should be more protective measures in place before a decision is made to snatch and grab the children deemed 'at risk' and therefore more funding going into this area, if the child abuse issue is so huge as government statistics show it is.
We believe that there needs to be some form of better organised family inclusion group in Queensland to assist families instead of docs way of persecuting them.
We believe that most parents/ caregiver do not intend to be 'bad parents' and need assistance to be more effective in their parenting skills.
We believe that the Child Protection Act 1999 needs reform
We believe there should be a newer independent enquiry into the operations in docs.
We believe there should be class action for all those wronged deliberately by docs where harm and negligence occurs.
We believe in educating the public to what is really going on with this department.
We believe that the current system in place is ineffective in this day and age resulting often in more harm than good.
We believe there need to be more research and results published about families who have had docs in their lives.

Hi,

Just so the viewers know.

I have had some private messages from parents that are not going public who echo the same sentiments and problems dealing with docs as the majority of us who write on this forum.

And I will second that statement

and something like SBS forum and to debate these facts and issues so that the wider community is aware.
How are they going to know our demands if no one is telling them ?.

Look at Hicks...speaking out and now we get 2 sides of a story.

The Unions would never let the government push.
yet we the abused and defamed have no Union.


union of abused Parents PTY.

Abused families union for justice

Pada Parents Against Docs Abuse

and then on top of that, when we complain to the CMC,Ombudsman, DOCS complaint unit,.
They just sit at the desk fingering themselves and class that as a investigation.

Family SA has Proven that, Told me. I have investigated your claims and found them,.....................Never mind your guilty............I believe what I am told to read.

I have in investigated and am satisfied that you are guilty.....

Again, They just sit at the desk fingering themselves and class that as a investigation.

Not Once did any of these FRKheads ever Question my eldest son, Not once did they Investigate My eldest son.
Not once did they investigated the witness's I have to events fabricated by DOCS and Family SA.

and over a phone they Investigate, Thru a Fax They investigate.
By whispering to other DOCS workers, they investigate.
By even them thinking. they investigate to a personal opinion to add more to you.

Yeps. They truly do investigate, They Investigate to how many more they can Abuse.

Great advice thisisgood but not foolproof with the dept so beware, the Dept can and will ignore these efforts, it will be more for the Magistrates attention to satisfy...

But other than that...very good advice to heed in your own lives anyway...

That is so very odd.
that down south, you will get some form of assistance.

Centre care
Life Line (these organisations like can direct you to suitable options)
OzCare
Salvation Army
StVincent's de Paul "children and Families Program"
There is the triple P parenting course
Drug & alcohol issues - ring Biala or look at attending the 'back in control' program. there is ADIS 24 hours counselling service.
alway AA and NA.
Parent Chld and family Support Program
Parent help line
Mens help line
DIDs
And endless of others.

All rejected to offer any form of help, concerning DOCS.

As soon as They know its Me, the offer of help is no more.
A good EG: to that, was a advocacy agent that did offer help, he even offered to pay for the Taxi there and back home. he said, Bring your documents.
not even 5 mins later ,he rings back up and says, Cant help.
I then file a complaint to the Anti discrimination,only to be told 6 weeks later, I wasnt discriminated against...YA, RIGHT!!!.

hi,

OK there is always the Victims of Crime. this is a subsidiary arm of Relationships Austrlian.

They are willing to offer free counselling to anyone who has been a victim of crime whether reported or not.

So if you have been a victim of docs crimes (lies and allegations that are false) you have every right to see these people for counselling./

And the brochure say on the back....

"To contact Victims Counselling and Support Services
Call 1300 139 703
24 hours a day for infromatioin, referral and counselling appointments."

I know I have mentioned this before.

But put here for the newer viewers.

Hi,

so whilst I have attempted to put on here some of the services that are available when I sprouted off yesterday that there doesn't seem to be much.

What I do mean is that I would like to see docs have another action that is prior to removing children.
That would be to do a global type assessment that encompases maybe a group of professionals (not just a new CSO who has extremely limited experience) and then past onto the appropriate organisations.

There does need to be more organisations that actually go into the homes and help parents/ caregivers on day to day management related to parenting issues.

Then after a time frame like (pulling something out of my head) say 2 months THEN snatch and grab the children.

I think the way the government operates it's docs system they are going straight to the top shelf and going all guns blazing legally which incriminate parents.
So why not empower parents, help people learn to make better choices etc.

The need to be throwing bucket loads of money into foster carers and constantly increasing docs budget wouldn't need to happen.

It's not rocket science.

Hi,
Some of docs ground workers (i.e CSO and their supervisors) often are like the screws in a jail or the corrections officer. They have a very punitive view of people/ parents.
It is almost like they think they have to dole out the punishments. therefore you end up with this bullying mentality whereby these workers are abusing their power in society to intimidate those people on the other side of the counter.

So I would like to say your time is up.
That behaviour is not acceptable anymore.
Smarten up your act and get more professional.
Earn respect from the community.

Hi,

Look I gotta get something clear. I am not trying to hog this topic. I know I have plenty to say and I made a committment when I first stumbled accross this site to post something on here on a daily basis.

Why I post is because the amount of daily views this gets is phenomenal.

For example in the last 24 hours- -i.e. from 8.30pm last night (Wednesday 19.11.08) up to now - i.e. 8.30 tonight (Thursday 20.11.08) we have reached a new daily target - 2,000 views.

I am not lying - 2,000 views in the past 24 hours alone.

Usually this topic gets around 1,000 views per day and it has sharply being going up in the past week or so.

So for this reason alone I am very committed to posting on here.

If I ever go abruptly silent. You will know that something terrible has happened to me.

ihategov, by the way, has gone off to attend to another project. He is ok.

Hi,

(As you can imagine I am the type who has to always have the last say!)

I know this topic is the most viewed.
But I would like to draw your attention to the fact there are many other topics about docs.

Firstly, if you google Aus-city forums
then scroll down to general forums
when you hit onto The Department of child Safety
you will see lots of little topics under this one.

Also in the general forums is power4parents. that is newer and has some very good information on it.

Also you can google Power4parents.org
and come to the actual home page of power4parents. this is excellent reading if you are actually dealing with docs in your life.

Then lastly but definitely not least. Is altnews.
That is an awesome sight. It give you an insight into just how many people deal with docs.

I wish you all luck

Hello,

another day. Hope this finds the viewers well and enjoying their Friday. It is very hot here in South East Queensland. And sadly it is the last day of my holidays too.

By the way I have added some extra services to the list that I posted yesterday.

So what's in today's Australian re: child welfare issues?

Page 3 - The Australian (21.11.08)
another report from Caroline Overington

"Children ignored in Care Report"

Former judge James Wood QC is preparing to hand down a landmark report on child welfare, having not met any of the 12,800 children in state care.
The Australianunderstands that Justice Wood did meet four young people at his city office who were once in care, but none was a state ward.
He has not visited any foster homes or foster children as part of his investigation into child welfare.
Indeed, it is not clear that he has met any young chidren caught in the welfare system, or visited any of the motels, caravan parks, foster homes, and group homes where they live."

It goes onto to say that "The Australian spent several weeks visiting foster children in their homes, some of which were overcrowded and dirty."

And apparently Create Foundation had a meeting with young people (in care) April 2007 and "the young people had stressed the importance of stability in their foster care placements. They also apprectiated ongoing contact with their birth parents."

To me the message from this article is clear. These powers that be have got no idea of what is really going on.

Good on you Ms Overington for telling it as it is.

Also I am now proudly driving around with a sticker on the rear screen of my car that reads

Child Safety - the REAL truth
Power4parents.org

I will borrow that well known saying from the gay community (hope you folk don't mind) but I am 'out and proud' on this issue on child protection.

Oh wow, cool...I want to come'out and proud' too...LOL.

Living up to your username thisisgood, because THISISGOOD!

Hi,

Just a quick up date on the viewing count.

there is 1,644 views in the past 24 hours.

Not bad for a Friday afternoon.

Yesterday was the record setter with 2,000 views.

It is up to 84,497 views.

And what does someone like me do over the weekend?
Just what does a bad parent do with their child?

Well we might do a few garage sales.
Go to the library and get out around 40 books for the next fortnight, alway have consumed this many books since child was around 2 and half.(kids books).
swim in the pool morning and night.
Go to the creek and investigate on low tide.
visit some friends.
Play lego or cars together.
Draw
and of course let the child indulge in child's computer game addiction and tv viewing both which are only allowed on weekends (unless sick).

Somwhere in all this - whilst child is going hard on computer/tv viewing I will cook up some food to freeze and tidy bits of the house up and get ready for work Monday morning.

child's father who docs deemed as a more suitable parent. Will not be around. does not pay any maintenance whatsoever (exempt until Nov 2009 - another issue of mine). will not ring. But when does front up to see child continues to question my parenting ability - 'are you reading to child; do you give lots of hugs to child; are you getting child involved in some sport like tennis' (and states child needs to get involved in something child enjoys - but no mention of assisting in paying for any of it). Actually idiot, oops meant to say father, even wrote me a letter about getting child into a private school - again no mention of paying for it. This is the man who bathed child once in 6 days whilst child was there on school holidays and child lost 1.1 kilos whilst there in 1 week!!!
And then when I get the police report back under FOI father is reported as saying he has had no suspicions of me abusing child ever before and will report any suspicions.
Viewers it is me who is suspicious of the father.
Wouldn't you if the paternal grandparent said to you about the father 'he is the sort that shouldn't have anything to do with women or children". That was said to me a year or so prior to docs involvement.
It was me who rang to whinge about the father.
When father does have access visits with child, I send clothes and food because I know the father is not that capable.
And whilst docs had child removed and into father's care - father had to get child taken in ambulance when child was sick one night. Later father asks if I can help pay the $300 bill for child's ambulance ride as he doesn't have any money.
I also gave the paternal grandmother a couple of hundred dollars for child's food, as well as send all the clothes and all the toys down.
So I question that bit about being willing and able. docs decided the father as being 'able'.
I laugh at all this. what crap. the man is a looser - he can't see that he should focus on when the child is in his care and not worry about how I parent.
And didn't he badger me to come to my home after docs breached my privacy an gave out my address to this woman abusing male.
"I just want to see what child's room looks like'.
Well, what about having a look through photos.

And viewers you must think - she must really bate him. Well ok, in the past I have challenged him on things he says. but after I said to docs chosen psychologist that I would "SIT UP. SHUT UP and PUT UP". I do. I just give out one of my knowing type smiles and go home and document.

Because that's what you women really have to do in this country in regards to abusive males, the law won't protect you. So learn early you just have to SIT UP. PUT UP and SHUT UP.

One of my biggest regrets is that I told this male that he was going to be a father. If I hadn't my existance would have been a lot more peaceful!
But we can't turn back the clock.

And you are doomed with docs if you are in an abusive relationship.
If you stay they take the child off you saying you are not the protective parent.
If you leave and run for your life as I did whilst pregnant (father got my address/ aliases subpoened off Centrelink by a solicitor - NO such thing as privacy act - it has limitations) and then the father continues to give you grief and you are stressed out and foolishly ring docs like idiot me did. then docs take your child off you and find the father the more suitable parent and turn a blind eye to the male's behaviours to you and previous disinterest in parenting child.
docs then take over the bullying role and side with the father. It feeds into these males' egos.
It's a sick sort of joke that I don't get.
Father now forever sees me as a bad parent. He thinks it is his right to check up on my parenting.

Wow, I really went off!!

I probably sound like a spoilt brat.

But then docs enquired why I was wanting to look at adoption whilst pregnant. They used this against me. I said after father was extremely abusive toward me, I changed my landline, sought legal assistance as what to do, wanted to look at all my options. I rang about adoption in all this. But the law says if you know who the father is then you cannot adopt if he is not willing for this to happen.
So I couldn't even consider adopting child out.
but then father never wanted to actually have sole custody of child. I asked him this on several occassions whilst being abusive with me.
(when docs became involved he pretended he wanted the child and went and took me to the family courts for full custody under the blessing of docs).
So these males are allowed to block a woman from possible adoption, leave her solely with the child, leave her with full responsibility of parenting, not willing to pay any maintenance and pretend to be a loving father.

I'm sorry but the current systems back the male all the way. Do I make my point clear?

But putting all that aside. I love my child. I have always done the best I can.
But I do ask why do I have to bust my gut by working full time, now be also limited in what sort of job I can do as it needs to be family friendly. Never have any 'me' time. Somehow run this house as well as work 40 hours a week in a very demanding job. Then when I am not at work and with child to be full care giver.
And whilst I am doing this the father is probably out there on his surf board lying in the sea and probably striking up a conversation with the bloke next to him and talking about 'bad mothers'.

this was my beef when I spoke/ rang docs. I thought oh good, look this woman looks like a die hard feminist (dyke looking) I thought I have a sister here to whinge to.

boy oh boy was i wrong. She sided up with the male.
My issues still remain the same.
But I just sit up, shut up and put up with the father's continuous comments.

And to put it into perspective. Whilst I certainly do not like this father of my child I am polite to his face. I can make small talk and joke. So that is why when docs were covering up the abuse child received in foster care they didn't realise that whilst I do not like this man we talk for the sake of the child. It was the father who informed me about the abuse happening and docs covering it up. That CSO must have thought she had him in her pocket against me.

imagine what the father will say when he see the sticker on my car.
ha ha I'll offer him one.

(and for the record I am passionate on a whole bunch of social justice type issues. I am not a bitter type even if I sound like one.)

anyway today I am wearing a black wrist band that I bought in a clothes shop. it says
"Not silent. Men. Not violent".

enough, i'm off now that child is away from TV.

Have a great weekend viewers!

Talk to you Monday night.

What the....?!!

It's Sunday night (23.11.08) and in the past 24 hours we have had 1,938 views.
Where are all you viewers from?

Anyway back to Idol. Who is going to win? Personally I would like to see Luke win. Give the unknown Aussie a go.

Talk to you Monday night.
Take care.

Well, Troopers.

I created a bet on the idols.
Its too later to place a bet, but,At lest I going to win:))))
http://www.dotblu.com/question/11.17.2008_australian_idol_final_2008_betters_you_decide_who_will_win

We will soon find out, it will be announced shortly.....

Think Wes will win

yeah! and Wes won.lo

Hey Mr Sniper,

did you really place a bet? How much did you win? Can I ask?

Of course Wes Carr was going to win and he did.
But Luke, the unknown all Aussie bloke did well too.

Hey,
Do you also realise that this forum has had another record breaking day with around 2,350 views in the last 24 hours.

Mr Sniper do you want to place a bet on how many views this goes up to by this time tommorrow night?
It is currently sitting on 88,256 views.
What's you guess for this time tomorrow night?

My guess is for 90,350 views in the next 24 hours.

And by the way
The site

www.power4parent.org

holds a very good forum there.
Go and check it out.
Want a sticker? then PM one of us regulars and we will send it to you.

Boo. and Yaps. I made the bet and won $11,250, the 1,250 being the profit.
I guess I could create a poll bet on the amount of views in a 24 hrs period.
Or better still you can join and create your own, as I have, and also create bets on issues like this. that Url is open to the world.
While DOCS Claims and States I am molesting children,Im on that URL, I buried myself on that page, and If you peek at my Bio, you will see my ranking, That didnt happen over night. if im not there im on Eve-online, and or other online games.
Of late its been emailing and yelling into deaf eyes.
Hence the Views.

If you take note of my Pic of DocSniper, Thats what I am doing right now. Says it all, Dont it.:P:)

Altnews also seems to have picked up as well.

But, Tomorrow is another day

the whole gov needs toppling out on its a..
it is incredible that rudd goes to other countries to offer help while his own corrupted puppets are wreaking havoc on the public's lives..... talk about hypocrisy.....it is more sickening than anything ......

Yes,

It's late and I'm off to bed.
Uggh, work tomorrow.
It's going to be a day from hell.
I can tell already. Payback for having a holiday.

Hello,

well my day was like a day from hell. It was for everyone there. I was lucky though that I got a 10 minute break around 1pm. In my job I am supposed to have a 10 minute morning and 10 minute afternoon paid tea break. Well I haven't been able to get one of those in the past 12 months. That equates to 1 hour per week and 40 hours per year (so that is one full week) and that is not to mention my lunch breaks. That is my biggest gripe about my job. It really shits me that I am flat out getting a break. So I end the day a bit crabby. Crabby and tired. Then it's onto my next job - being a single mother to a small child. So I then collect child from after school care, come home, cook tea, jump in pool, get out, child eats dinner whilst we read books, play cards or draw - something like that. Then it's teeth time, story books in bed with Mozart playing softly, prayers to Jesus, scratch child's back. 7.30pm. finally me time. Now I'm here but I should cook something en masse so I have proper food on tap. That's my usual day.
Child's father probably had time to lie around in the surf, twiddle his thumbs and have numerous cuppas.

I fantasize about quitting, living off the single mother's payments and going full on into being active about the docs situation.
But I can't at the moment.

Anyway that was my whinge into cyber space. I know if I whinged to docs they would take my child off me. The CSO (the nasty one) said to me I am concerned about you managing work and home life, that is why she said it was a 'concern to us' when child came home permanently and I took long service leave to help child settle in. "we wanted to see you manage work and home life".

well actually I have a second job too. I work agency work when child is with father. How else are we to get ahead? The father doesn't have to payt or play a part in the child's day to day management. I read the other day going over old paper work that the CSO said I shouldn't be so set on sending my child to a private high school. Wow I went to a GPS school and I want my child to have this opportunity. She said this as I have had my child enrolled into All Saints since child was 1yo. I will be mortgage free sooner than later.

Anyway doomed if you do with docs and doomed if you don't. They will twist anything to suit themselves. Please correct me if I am wrong!

Anyway back to the topic and away from the grumblings of a single mother dissatisfied with her lot in life.

So according to The Australian there are 4,000 black kids in care in NSW. They brought in the stolen generation (Mark 1) statistics to compare. We are now talking about Mark 2 stolen generation with docs.
No easy solution.
Gosh, the government must be worried.
Actually maybe they aren't worried as it is some years before the kids rally to do class action and so this government will be in retirement by then on a nice retirement package.
It's going to be interesting to watch what unfolds. My child can be old enough to get into some class action by then due to the abuse whilst in foster care.
So what's the statistics on Queensland black kids in care?? Anyone know??

It would be in the government's best interest to listen to the likes of D.Scott and C.Goddard and the other acadaemics about how to solve it. The Australian has already prepared us to boo hooo Justice Wood's report when it comes out any second now.
I see old terry Sweetman (Sunday Mail - 23.11.08 P.65) got on the band wagon about "Bring on Blackfella Act for white trash".
And just what is white trash? All us who are in minority groups?
But what I did notice was the little column about gambling on the side. $548 million each year is the revenue for government coffers from gambling.
Hey, isn't that the amount that is given to Q'ld child protection in their newest budget?
Ok so I couldn't work out whether that was a total of $548 for Australia or just qld.
But you, the viewers, probably know that fact as I am only a dumb nurse who only knows how to take away bed pans (uggh).
So if the government is going to get more punitive about vouchers instead of welfare $$ why don't they give us something else instead of all those pokies, like .....hmmmm I don't know.
Punish the little man for the grog problem so can't we then punish the government for giving such free access to gaming machines? Something like indirect negligence to the people if they know many have gambling addictions?

Oh yeah, remember the other day I was on my high horse about D.V? Well I just wanted to say it is these abusive men who always say 'she's mad'. Yeah, are we on the same page? Well just a bit more of my personal history - when the father was chasing me up for access to his child (even though he kept saying to me whilst I was pregnant "Are you sure this is my child?") he had to complete some form that went through the courts to pursue me. Anyway one question says 'is there any reason why one parent would have difficulty parenting/'. He writes 'yes mother has bi-polar' Well viewers I had never had any diagnosis in my past 38 years until he wrote that. So that is a classic example of these abusive men and what tricks they like to play to make them selves feel higher and mightier than you. He wrote other awful stuff too.

And just for the last say by a man stating this classic male comment 'i don't know if I am the father or not' is another classic example of their abuse - I did not make this up, as it is written on the D.V. brochures.

See I am not mad, just twisted and sometimes bitter.

Ever heard (if you are my age or older)
'Comment by Barbara Bowers' ?
Well this is a case of comment by Nurse Ratched.

over and out.

Hello,

did you know that we are receiving 2,000 views consistantly on this topic alone every 24 hours.

So viewers please break your silence and say something!
I feel obliged to entertain you all with more of my dribble so you can fulfill your voyeuristic desires to see what us bad parents get up to in real life.
I am getting a few private messages posted to me. Some don't like the way this forum is going and don't necessarily want to see change but just would rather slag off at some CSO/ government person who has wronged them.

2 things I would like to say tonight.

The public must understand that these docs workers have enormous power. so the corrupt ones can go hard at seeking revenge on people as they have very little power in their own lives.
Why do a lot of these workers look boyish? And by that I mean look like a stereotypical dyke. Maybe this sort of job appeals to a certain type of person. How come it is not full of gay boys in those offices?
Now to place a new grad out in the field to operate in their intake section is dangerous. Now I am trained in a mental health discipline. My training lasted 18 months in a psychiatric hospital setting. It was a requirement that I was already a R.N - as this course was a post grad thing.

more coming having a break....

Hi,

Firstly in support of Mr Sniper and that link he found - go and look this up.
http://www.new.com.au/adelaidenow/story

So anyway back to my story.

So after I finished my psych. training it meant that I had around 4 and half years training.

I know for a fact that I would not have had the confidence (professionally) to go out and make judgements on people's mental health status only 6 months after this training.
After my training I went and worked at Rosemount which was then the mental health units in part of the Royal Brisbane Hospital. It was appalling and very run down.

Now go forward 12 years later to my own docs story -

So here I had a newly out CSO (6 mnths from completion of her training to coming to my house) who decided that I was mentally unwell.
then she went to great lengths to lie and prove that I was mad. But unfortunately I have evidence from a group of professionals in mental health that knew me very well from the past 5 years or so before she ever met me for that brief 40 minute interview.

The CSO who interviewed me had little idea of what she was doing. If I was mad then then I am mad now.

Get my point?

And there is loads of these new CSO's running all over this state of Queensland calling the shots on families lives with devestating effects.

To ad to Jutice Wood's report they need to have trained professional in that chosen area (in my case mental health) who can properly assess the client then and there.

Hey docs would you like to employ me as a mental health/ drug & alcohol specialist? ha ha ha.

So I am the mandatoy reporter who had a notification put on my child.
That is my claim to fame.

Mind you in reality I would be extremely cautious before I ever put in a mandatory report on anyone.
And hope I am never in that awful position whereby I have to do this.

Last word: be careful of mandatory reporting. You don't see what the outcome is and it isn't always in the child's best interest.

and the second thing I was going to say tonight? well I can't remember now. Besides it is late for me and I'm off to bed.

goodnight.

Hi,

remember there is a call for all people who might have a case for CLASS ACTION against docs.

ring ANGELA

and gosh where has her number gone to? It's in my little nest of papers around me here somewhere.

Mr Sniper - what is her number again? Would you kindly put on here again for all to see.

Hi,

I am late tonight. I have received the letter via Angela about the Class Action against docs.
and I have been busy with typing and formating that out. It's done and nearly in the post.

And did anyone see in the Justice Wood's report he recommends that docs give a lot of power over to the NGO's. I reckon this is to avoid a lot of the Mk11 lost generation thing that is for sure going to happen one of these days.
It is called hand over to NGO to pass the buck, pass the problems, pass the issue, pass the goddam worry.

Hi,

Would you believe me if I told you I am sure I suffer from symtpoms of PTSD after docs involvement in our lives? I am aware of the symptoms. Once when I rang docs anonimously to ask a question once the shit was over and I was talking to some little girl (that's what she sounded like over the phone)and i told her about the PTSD stuff I was now suffering as a result from the bullying and trauma of what happened to child and myself. I asked if there was any way I could get counselling through docs now that it was over and we were shat on by this organisation. she got very defensive and nasty. I reckon if I gave out my name and address she and her collegues would have been here in a flash and taken child off me stating I have a mental health illness and not seeking treatment.

I know of a few others around this forum who suffer from this too.

Angela's number is 0429160656

Everyone interested please phone her and advise her that you are interested in the class action!!!!!!

I think our family is in the same group, yet we are still in the middle of it all, there is way more to go, yet.... can we survive it all!!!!