I don't worry about other forums. I just worry about Aus-city. We all know this is the best forum for UBI and PBS where you can get genuine help ( I have helped heaps and They aren't even on this forum). As for Joysat I don't worry about them either. I have been there a few times and bought a bit of stuff off them and if their prices are still right I will still go there and buy stuff off them. I had some very confidential information given to me only yesterday. I was going to pass this on to the concerned party but due to the above I will not bother. My saying is, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.<br />Phil