yes... it seems basically anyone but telstra are good, yet it is really the inexperienced users on dial up that go with those mass-advertised 'cheap' plans with telstra. This needs to change... the ADSL market needs to be more regulated, while still remain cheap. Also the government has said it is up to telstra to lay out optic fibre.. this should be the governments job... telstra will never get off their lazy asses and do this.