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#15015
Fri 11 Mar 2005 03:08:AM
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Why can't you remember them?<br /><br />Simple, because TV+ don't have them.<br /><br />They don't even have all the ones you mentioned.<br /><br />Paja
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#15016
Fri 11 Mar 2005 03:15:AM
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TV PLUS only have Pink Plus, BK and BN 3 channels thats all now but they keep saying more will come well they have been saying that for months now and also been saying thats the quality issue with the channels they have will be rectified but as yet nothing new has happened quality wise or channels wise <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />and as ppl have rang tv plus and luckily got thru afta hours being on hold tv plus think the quality of the channels is fine and they keep saying to customers " THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WROUNG WITH YOUR TV SIR !! " rubbish they need to smarten up there act<br /> <br /> <small>[ 10. March 2005, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]</small>
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#15017
Fri 11 Mar 2005 03:22:AM
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Ok is enough for today,<br />now I going to watch Pink and have sleep.Tomorrow is Pile and Maca show, and Sunday Sav taj Pink.<br />He he he<br />Ops I forgot Saturday and Sunday Balkannet and Maca.
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#15018
Fri 11 Mar 2005 04:20:AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Phil Debono:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by night_flight:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> The broadcast rights are currently being reviewed right now and we hope to have Pink Plus and Pink Extra back shortly.<br /><br />The new art card is just advising customers that new Balkan channels will be coming to UBI soon. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">this is RIDICULOUS!!!! SHAME ON UBI THIS TIME...THEY LIED TO CUSTOMERS WITH THEIR "TECHNICAL PRPOBLEMS" ...and now this!!!!!!! they should ve told the truth at least not just be like that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hey night_flight<br />Since your talking about lying get one of your Serbian friend to ring Tv plus if you can get through and tell them that you would like to subscribe but will only do if the Quality of the Video is fixed up, ASK TV PLUS HAS THE QUALITY OF THE PICTURES BEEN FIXED UP?? THEY SAY ITS OK NOW, NO MORE PROBLEMS You sure its not at your end, what problem?. DO IT and you will see how good TV Plus are in the lying ranks </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Look Phill I am not defending TV PLUS here, I am on optus 3 (UBI) and I d like to stay on UBI simply because of the good pic and rest of the channels...HOWEVER YOU CANT BLAME TV PLUS FOR LYING WHEN UBI HAS DONE THE SAME....<br />NOW I rang UBI myself and they said to me its technical problem and will be resovled and Liski has confirmed it many times..Wouldnt it be better just to say we have "rights" problem with pink at the moment but actually lie to customers hey? And its march already and balkan chs should ve all been up and runing on ubi but something is happening and I dont like this waiting game.....As I said and others will agree with me once again OBN,BK,BN AND ANY OTHER BALKAN CHS are worth PISS DOWN THE DRAIN without PINK...<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />
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#15019
Fri 11 Mar 2005 06:22:AM
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night flight TV Plus are NOT LIEING...<br /><br />TV PLUS HAVE THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO <br /><br /><br />PINK+<br />BN<br />BK<br />Pink Extra<br />NTV Hayat<br />BHTV1<br />RTS (pending)<br />and 2 - 3 more channels from across the Balkans are being finalised.,.<br /><br />All these channels and more will come in good time & long term TV+ will lower their package rate to include all channels at the current rate of $65 <br /><br />TV Plus will not increase their rates as its not tn their interests to
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#15020
Fri 11 Mar 2005 07:46:AM
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#15021
Fri 11 Mar 2005 02:37:PM
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look guys, this is all bullshit. anyone with any brains will not sign up to anything untill this is all sorted out. this thing is shifting back and forwards with the wind. they are all fucking lying. we'll fix the quality, we'll get the pink back. tv+ probably doesnt have enough resources to improve on their shit situation and need time to compensate. q is how much time.<br />and ubi is just bullshiting with the we will get pink back line<br /><br />mark my words. whis will take a while. untill then watch sbs or something
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#15022
Fri 11 Mar 2005 02:59:PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by night_flight:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Phil Debono:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by night_flight:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> The broadcast rights are currently being reviewed right now and we hope to have Pink Plus and Pink Extra back shortly.<br /><br />The new art card is just advising customers that new Balkan channels will be coming to UBI soon. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">this is RIDICULOUS!!!! SHAME ON UBI THIS TIME...THEY LIED TO CUSTOMERS WITH THEIR "TECHNICAL PRPOBLEMS" ...and now this!!!!!!! they should ve told the truth at least not just be like that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hey night_flight<br />Since your talking about lying get one of your Serbian friend to ring Tv plus if you can get through and tell them that you would like to subscribe but will only do if the Quality of the Video is fixed up, ASK TV PLUS HAS THE QUALITY OF THE PICTURES BEEN FIXED UP?? THEY SAY ITS OK NOW, NO MORE PROBLEMS You sure its not at your end, what problem?. DO IT and you will see how good TV Plus are in the lying ranks </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Look Phill I am not defending TV PLUS here, I am on optus 3 (UBI) and I d like to stay on UBI simply because of the good pic and rest of the channels...HOWEVER YOU CANT BLAME TV PLUS FOR LYING WHEN UBI HAS DONE THE SAME....<br />NOW I rang UBI myself and they said to me its technical problem and will be resovled and Liski has confirmed it many times..Wouldnt it be better just to say we have "rights" problem with pink at the moment but actually lie to customers hey? And its march already and balkan chs should ve all been up and runing on ubi but something is happening and I dont like this waiting game.....As I said and others will agree with me once again OBN,BK,BN AND ANY OTHER BALKAN CHS are worth PISS DOWN THE DRAIN without PINK...<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Rubbish!<br />Thats your opinion and you must respect others opinions, we have never been a fan with Pink.<br />We are sitting on the fence as we have been told by our Brother in Bosnia who works in the industry that Pink Extra is undecided where to go, now work that out!! Why hasn't Pink Extra signed with TVplus hey???Only a fool will sign up with TVPLUS until UBI puts its cards on the table.
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#15023
Fri 11 Mar 2005 03:19:PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Satfreak:<br /><strong> night flight TV Plus are NOT LIEING...<br /><br />TV PLUS HAVE THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO <br /><br /><br />PINK+<br />BN<br />BK<br />Pink Extra<br />NTV Hayat<br />BHTV1<br />RTS (pending)<br />and 2 - 3 more channels from across the Balkans are being finalised.,.<br /><br />All these channels and more will come in good time & long term TV+ will lower their package rate to include all channels at the current rate of $65 <br /><br />TV Plus will not increase their rates as its not tn their interests to </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">hhhmmmmmm..... will see how long that will last last time u said they were goin to have 2 different packages now ur saying there is only goin to be one packages for that price i suggest to everyone to wait and see what happens when all companies have everything and are selling a full balkan package as these channels listed above still havent came and satfreak u have been sating this for months now when will these channels comes and also when will the quality issue be fixed with the channels or will the new channels that comes on will be the same crap quality as the channels are now??<br />i remember u saying satfreak that tv plus is on a budget and is doing everything the cheapest way well the cheapest way is not good enough tell them to pull out there fingers out and start to spend some real $$$$ and make the content there selling a high quality product and not some crap picture and sound delays with the sound doesnt sync with ppl's lip's??<br /> <br /> <small>[ 11. March 2005, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]</small>
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#15024
Fri 11 Mar 2005 03:27:PM
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One package!!<br />Maybe the people in the control room doing the encryption can only handle one package as two packages will cause confusion for them.
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#15025
Fri 11 Mar 2005 03:36:PM
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TV Plus hasen't got the infrastructure to do any of the encryption or anything to do with the channels them selves its all done in the USA by Panglobal ( PANAMSAT )<br /><br />TV Plus are merely selling there own product to ppl here in Australia<br /> <br /> <small>[ 11. March 2005, 07:37 AM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]</small>
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#15026
Fri 11 Mar 2005 04:04:PM
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Thats your opinion and you must respect others opinions, we have never been a fan with Pink.<br />We are sitting on the fence as we have been told by our Brother in Bosnia who works in the industry that Pink Extra is undecided where to go, now work that out!! Why hasn't Pink Extra signed with TVplus hey???Only a fool will sign up with TVPLUS until UBI puts its cards on the table. [/QB][/QUOTE]<br />listen mate I doubt ppl back home dont give a toss if it is TV plus or UBI, they might even favourise TV plus because of the serbian managment or ceo or whatever...On the other hand yes there are some ppl who dont like pink but majority of them will go where pink is..It has the biggest pop and folk stars, talk show so on so on...pink xtra is ok and I dont mind it but could do without it but pink plus no way!
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#15027
Fri 11 Mar 2005 04:06:PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by dijabola:<br /><strong> look guys, this is all bullshit. anyone with any brains will not sign up to anything untill this is all sorted out. this thing is shifting back and forwards with the wind. they are all fucking lying. we'll fix the quality, we'll get the pink back. tv+ probably doesnt have enough resources to improve on their shit situation and need time to compensate. q is how much time.<br />and ubi is just bullshiting with the we will get pink back line<br /><br />mark my words. whis will take a while. untill then watch sbs or something </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree with you on this one 100%
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#15028
Fri 11 Mar 2005 04:08:PM
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Not according to my friend father at Uni He hates Pink something to do with its content.<br />Cathy
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#15029
Fri 11 Mar 2005 04:39:PM
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That is right Satfreak, you never answer on my email I send you not long ago.
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#15030
Fri 11 Mar 2005 04:46:PM
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Anyone watch Pile and Maca show this morning?Is was so funny<br /><br /><br />PS. OPS I'm sorry I have forgot you are on Optus B3<br />Hehe
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#15031
Fri 11 Mar 2005 04:47:PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Satfreaks:<br /><strong> Anyone watch Pile and Maca show this morning?Is was so funny<br /><br /><br />PS. OPS I'm sorry I have forgot you are on Optus B3<br />Hehe </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> wow..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />
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#15032
Fri 11 Mar 2005 06:14:PM
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i recommened this tv size for best results with the balkan TV PLUS Channels <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br /><br /><br /> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/colossos83/tv.JPG" alt=" - " />
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#15033
Fri 11 Mar 2005 10:32:PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by -.Lazer.-:<br /><strong> TV Plus hasen't got the infrastructure to do any of the encryption or anything to do with the channels them selves its all done in the USA by Panglobal ( PANAMSAT )<br /><br />TV Plus are merely selling there own product to ppl here in Australia </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And thats why they will fail :)Because its not locally done, who cares about the encryption problem , they have more urgent ones then that.
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#15034
Fri 11 Mar 2005 11:10:PM
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here is another un happy customer that is not happy with the tv plus service <br /><br /> http://www.austech.info/showthread.php?t=105771 <br /><br />not a good start by far <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 11. March 2005, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: -.Lazer.- ]</small>
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#15035
Sat 12 Mar 2005 12:30:AM
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quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Originally posted by Satfreak:<br />Balkans Basic Channel Line up<br />PINK+<br />BN<br />BK<br />Pink Extra (in the comming weeks)<br /><br />Balkans Plus Channel Line Up<br />all the above Plus<br />NTV Hayat<br />BHTV1<br />RTS (pending)<br />and 2 - 3 more channels from across the Balkans region.<br /><br /><br />WHEN???<br /><br />Probably not in this lifetime!!!
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#15036
Sat 12 Mar 2005 05:13:PM
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quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Originally posted by Satfreak:<br />Guys<br /><br />Please can we be a little more polite and nice to each other,.,<br /><br />People shouldnt be posting personal details of any individual on this or any forum. It is not ethical and will definatly piss people off.<br /><br />Things are happening in the background which few are really aware about including Liski.<br /><br />People should sit back and wait as the cards will be revealed in the next 2 weeks.<br /><br />Rgs <br /><br /><br />Hey Satfreak,<br />nothing is going to happen within the next 2 weeks. Want to know why?<br />Beacuse the case has only been part heard, and has been adjourned until the 20/04/05. So regardless of what's happening "in the background", not much is going to happen until at least the 20/04/05. But if you'd checked out the web site you would know that.<br /><br />Maybe you have a lack of brain cells or you are just illiterate, I don't know. You obviously don't understand the Australian Legal System.<br /><br />So before you start feeding people more of your bullshit, just remember that people aren't as dumb as you like to think they are.<br /><br />I find it personally offensive that you insult my intelligence every time you post a reply!!!
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#15037
Sun 13 Mar 2005 12:58:AM
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oK Paja since you are so wise and actually know what is going on I will let you live in your own world and believe as you wish.....<br /><br />I put that link up because I am advised and am aware of whats going on..
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#15038
Sun 13 Mar 2005 01:45:AM
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Yes lots going on, I hope this mess gets sorted out soon. For me the quicker the better but I have a feeling it will drag on.<br />My opinion and only my Opinion just say TV plus gets its way and get to have Pink, BN, BK and UBI are left without these three UBI will hunt for its own bouquet of Balkans channels, so what will happen is all this shit between the two companies will settle down for UBI but I have FEELING that the Problems of TV plus will only start Hoooooo thank to the anonymous person that sent me that email and explained to me How this puzzle between TV plus+PanGlobal+ their Encryption and how they encrypt+the access of their Balkans channels and the reason why they have the quality problem.<br />I won't say more, I will wait until the conclusion of the TVplus/UBI court case.<br />Phil
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#15039
Sun 13 Mar 2005 03:39:PM
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This sounds interesting!<br />There must be a reason why the poor quality pictures<br />and I bet it has something to do with dollars.
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#15040
Sun 13 Mar 2005 07:56:PM
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If TV Plus gets Pink Plus all Serbian women will go to TV+. If TV+ gets Pink Extra, all Serb men will go to TV+. <br /><br />Personally i was hoping that UBI will come out of this as a winner, with both Pink channels. Now, i have to move my dish back to where it was before and unfortunatelly subscribe to TV+.
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#15041
Sun 13 Mar 2005 10:00:PM
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They are all history once ImpacTV starts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />
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#15042
Mon 14 Mar 2005 12:27:AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by apsattv:<br /><strong> They are all history once ImpacTV starts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Impac TV?? didn't that crash before it got of the ground
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#15043
Mon 14 Mar 2005 02:49:PM
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Yes Sudden IMPACT, deep IMPACT <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />
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#15044
Wed 16 Mar 2005 12:17:AM
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For those who say they have all the answers. Here's a really good question for you:<br /><br />Who is going to get Serbian channel RTS?<br /><br />Well, Liski? Satfreak?<br /><br />Don't be shy now...
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#15045
Wed 16 Mar 2005 01:22:AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Paja:<br /><strong> For those who say they have all the answers. Here's a really good question for you:<br /><br />Who is going to get Serbian channel RTS?<br /><br />Well, Liski? Satfreak?<br /><br />Don't be shy now... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hummmmm time will tell, or maybe who pays the biggest Bribes. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />
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#15046
Wed 16 Mar 2005 01:25:AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Phil Debono :<br /><strong> Hummmmm time will tell, or maybe who pays the biggest Bribes </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">hehehe <br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" />
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