Unless there's something wrong with my receiver, it seems that BK TV stopped broadcasting on Telstar 10 last night. I'm assuming that this was done in order to comply with the court order with respect to the on-going litigation in Australia. What a shame that viewers in Africa will be losing out on key programming due to a court battle that's going on in Australia! Unless by some miracle UBI starts broadcasting RTS or RTCG in the near future on Telstar 10, I'm basically stuck with no programming from Serbia & Montenegro.<br /><br />I suppose that ja will now tell me that I'm just "collateral damage". Thanks, TV Plus, for acting like a bully and destroying everything in your path. May you go bankrupt and rot in hell.

was most likely cause of the court order that those channels were taken off <br /><br />but the next court case is in a few weeks so things may change and ur channels might come back again time will tell <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I suppose that ja will now tell me that I'm just "collateral damage". </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Mate did african sun damaged yor brain?!<br /><br />I'm no spokesman of TV+.<br /><br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thanks, TV Plus, for acting like a bully and destroying everything in your path. May you go bankrupt and rot in hell. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What a stupid comment!<br /><br />Mate if UBI did not steal those channels in the first place, you wouldn't have any problems now.<br /><br /><br />What an idiot .......

afrisat<br /> I have a member in Melbourne and his friends are from Johannesburg and he was telling me they are very pissed off because UBI has lost the Balkans channels, and now they know that TV plus was the culprit and being the way they are they want Blood.<br />Also i have recieved emails from all places Hong kong about the above, Lots that were watching the Balkans channels on Telstar are in a bind at the moment (very un happy)

Ja - I have to say I find you amusing, dude. You bear a striking resemblance to the original king of flame, known as Hasan B-) Mutlu, who roamed the soc.culture forums in the early '90s. He was well known for legendary one liners such as: "You are so narrow minded that you can see through a key hole with both eyes at the same time." Keep up the good work, man.<br /><br />Meanwhile, I think I'll send a private message to Phil -- time for those of us living outside of Australia to band together and take some action against the predatory and destructive ways of TV Plus.

what is destructive if a company secured exclusive contracts and want to stick with them?<br /><br />To remind you, TV+ did not put UBI in court.<br /><br />Balkan TV stations did.<br /><br />BK TV and BN TV put UBI in court, so go and complain to them, not to TV+.

I agree with JA!!<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <br /><br />What is the matter with some of you<br /><br />People viewing Telstar 10 UBI stuff is TOTTALLY FORTUITOUS RECEPTION of a Pay Providers service which happens to be FTA at the moment.<br /><br />The cheek of some to complain over that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />As for UBI/ Court Case, stop blaming TV Plus for that. <br /><br />The channels have a right to take legal action to protect their contents rights.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by apsattv:<br /><strong> I agree with JA!!<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <br />....<br />As for UBI/ Court Case, stop blaming TV Plus for that. <br /><br />The channels have a right to take legal action to protect their contents rights. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Apsattv, I have had a different opinion of you, until now... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />From your perspective, you can give us a lot of info about Kiwi SAT RTV, but do not even try to tell me or Afrisat (being Serbs) about Serbian Satellite channels <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <br /><br />Yeah, as if Serbian TVs would bother if it is possible to watch their channels over black Africa... Do you know what the percentage of all Serbs abroad living in Africa is? <br /><br />And, if you were a Serb, you would know that there's no valid reason to do "exclusive" deals with TV stations from former Yugoslavia in first place.<br />Would anybody in their right mind, sign an exclusive contract with some unknown new company without some "sweet talk" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />Last few days, some people are getting nervous (in two Balkan TV Stations) about this "Court Case" and some "promises" from Tv+ are very late... We all know that Tv+ is good in one thing... Giving promises...<br /><br />Also, one Balkan station accessed the damage going with only one company in Australia. <br /><br />They have had at least three choices; <br /><br />FIRST, to stay as they were (no risks involved, experience, professionalism and big customer’s base, to name a few)<br /><br />SECOND, to stay as they were but to sign another deal as well with another new satellite company so they can get the double money, with the piece of mind (if something bad happen to one company, there is always another as a backup)<br /><br />THIRD, to go exclusively with new company and accept all the risks involved...<br /><br />As we all know, they've made the worst possible choice. <br />Now Balkan Tv stations are starting to realise that...<br /><br /><br />This is so simple that even JA can understand it.

Apsattv do not agree with me!<br /><br />If you do that, you will be called moron, idiot, retard, etc etc ...<br /><br />On this forum only pro UBI brainwashed zombies can exist.

&#8220;Ja&#8221;,<br />I sincerely wish you wern&#8217;t a Serb! Day by day you systematically work to the detrement of us Serbs in the face of the rest of the folk that comes to this forum looking for info.<br /><br />Just shut the truck up for once! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />Vlad&#8230;

No ja you are just biased towards Tv plus . I always wanted BOTH UBI and TVPLUS to carry the Balkans channels you only want TV plus to carry them Why?? i know the amount of people that back in the TARBS days that watched the Balkans/Arabic/Turkish Channels on Thaicom3. Now that TARBS has died and UBI has started up the emails have been piling in again from as far as Hong Kong people wanted the Turkish channels/Arabic Channels/ and anything from the Balkans from Telstar10.<br />So what has happened now UBI will be removing BK and BN from Telstar 10 and that has effected all in that part of the worlds that watch them all because of this attitude of a exclusive contract that has hurt the Balkans people scattered around that part of the world. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" />

But does Tv plus care about the Balkans people outside Australia in that part of the Earth NO!because all they can see is $$$$$$ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" />

Usually agreements are signed with Court action taken out where the content provider resides. This gives them alot of advantage fighting it in their own back yard.<br /><br />It is a joint legal action with TV+. See the links in this forum to the Court site.

I can tell you there are many that were watching BK and BN on Telstar 10. I for one know two families working overseas that are Serbian working in the communication industry in Tanzania and Zimbabwe and they have emailed me knowing that those channels were for Australia and what has happened to them. I explained to them the above details and they replied typical!!! and they asked who is the company responsible for their removal, well we all know the answer to that.<br />I agree what Phil has always said that there never should be an exclusive contract with any company because 1/ There is no competition which meams they can keep the poor quality and tell you to stick it 2/ They can charge what they want and get away with it. This is not on, this is a form of dictorship. The Serbian and Balkans people deserve better than this.

You can always write to the programmers and register your complaint. <br /><br />I don't know if the company will take heed of this. At least you're getting your input in.

First sorry about the quoting i've not worked this out yet<br /><br /><br />"Yeah, as if Serbian TVs would bother if it is possible to watch their channels over black Africa... Do you know what the percentage of all Serbs abroad living in Africa is?" <br /><br /><br />Its irrelevent, I don't see UBI offering subs to Africa?? as i mentioned anyone watching The Serbian stuff off Telstar 10 is getting fortutious reception that means "lucky to get it" its not there fta out of the kindness of UBIS heart it will encrypt eventually.<br /><br /><br />"And, if you were a Serb, you would know that there's no valid reason to do "exclusive" deals with TV stations from former Yugoslavia in first place."<br /><br /><br />You should be directing your enquirys to the channels involved. As to why they have done this.<br /><br /><br />"Would anybody in their right mind, sign an exclusive contract with some unknown new company without some "sweet talk" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> "<br /><br />Commercial reality, money talks<br /> <br /><br />"Last few days, some people are getting nervous (in two Balkan TV Stations) about this "Court Case" and some "promises" from Tv+ are very late... We all know that Tv+ is good in one thing... Giving promises...<br /><br />Also, one Balkan station accessed the damage going with only one company in Australia. "<br /><br />That is their choice, maybe they had bad experience with a former Australian ethnic pay tv company that went down the tubes. Tarb's I think was the name of it.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br /><br />"SECOND, to stay as they were but to sign another deal as well with another new satellite company so they can get the double money,"<br /><br />Speculation..EXCLUSIVE normally means more $$$ like what the pay tv companys do. You can bid for exclusive rights which is more expensive or normal rights (much cheaper)<br /><br /><br />"THIRD, to go exclusively with new company and accept all the risks involved..."<br /><br />"As we all know, they've made the worst possible choice. "<br /><br />Well thats is your opinion which you are entitled to as a possible viewer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />"Now Balkan Tv stations are starting to realise that..."<br /><br /><br />?????

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Phil Debono:<br /><strong> <br />So what has happened now UBI will be removing BK and BN from Telstar 10 and that has effected all in that part of the worlds that watch them all because of this attitude of a exclusive contract that has hurt the Balkans people scattered around that part of the world. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Phill if Globecasts new distribution package on Telstar 10 brings in the Serbians direct from Europe for TVplus then they may get them back? That would of course depend if the contract with the Serbian channels include allowing for selling those channels into other countrys.<br /><br />Who is copying who here ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Big Chief:<br /><strong> You can always write to the programmers and register your complaint. <br /><br />I don't know if the company will take heed of this. At least you're getting your input in. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Very true you would be surprised what a few emails can do. For example Apstar were very interested to know that the NZ govt is selling off the low end 3.4-3.5 ghz band for terrestrial usage which will kill low cband reception of Telstar 18 in NZ. Same problem in Australia with Unwired. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" /> <br /><br />As for Serbian channels those people in different parts of the world should carefully check Lyngsat. Even in India they can get signals off Hotbird and other euro satellites, so you never know..

Apsattv wrote:<br /><br />"Its irrelevent, I don't see UBI offering subs to Africa?? as i mentioned anyone watching The Serbian stuff off Telstar 10 is getting fortutious reception that means "lucky to get it" its not there fta out of the kindness of UBIS heart it will encrypt eventually."<br /><br />My comment: good, let them encrypt, and I will gladly pay them the subscription fee as long as they are broadcasting Serbian channels which I can watch in Kenya. What upsets me is that currently they're NOT broadcasting any Serbian channels because of a lawsuit filed by TV Plus. <br /><br />"As for UBI/ Court Case, stop blaming TV Plus for that." <br /><br />My comment: How can I stop blaming TV Plus if they are the ones who sued UBI? UBI had to stop broadcasting BK TV because of the lawsuit filed by TV Plus. Look at the court documents which list at least 3 TV Plus entities that are co-plaintiffs:<br /><br />Applicant TV PLUS BROADCASTING COMPANY PTY LTD ACN 112 571 329 <br /><br />Applicant TV PLUS INT PTY LTD <br /><br />Applicant TV PLUS OPERATIONS COMPANY PTY LTD (ACN 110 294 294) <br /><br />BTW, I've checked the footprints on Lyngsat very carefully, and Hot Bird's signal reaches as far south as Egypt -- nowhere near Kenya. RTCG reaches down all the way to Eritrea via Atlantic Bird 3 KU, but again, nowhere near Kenya. So Telstar 10 is the only game in town.

QUOTE]Phill if Globecasts new distribution package on Telstar 10 brings in the Serbians direct from Europe for TVplus then they may get them back? That would of course depend if the contract with the Serbian channels include allowing for selling those channels into other countrys.<br /><br />Who is copying who here ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> [/QB][/QUOTE]<br /><br />Globecast usually charges the Content Providers for satellite space and technical facilities in providing this. I doubt BKTV and BNTV will be on C band as TV+ wouldn't be able to afford it.

Having 2 Pay TV operators competing with the same channels is suicide as there is not enough subscribers in Australia to sustain it. <br /><br />It is obvious that TV+ had to take court action to protect their income. On the other hand UBI may also have broadcast rights to it as well. Some of the content providers from the Balkan region are known to sign conflicting agreements with no regard to who it given rights to.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by apsattv:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Phil Debono:<br /><strong> <br />So what has happened now UBI will be removing BK and BN from Telstar 10 and that has effected all in that part of the worlds that watch them all because of this attitude of a exclusive contract that has hurt the Balkans people scattered around that part of the world. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Phill if Globecasts new distribution package on Telstar 10 brings in the Serbians direct from Europe for TVplus then they may get them back? That would of course depend if the contract with the Serbian channels include allowing for selling those channels into other countrys.<br /><br />Who is copying who here ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Now we know why they wanted TARBS out of the way?<br />Is it just a coincidence that Globecast want to do what's TARBS use to do.

phil said:<br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you only want TV plus to carry them Why?? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That is just not true!<br /><br />I only want the true to comme out! <br /><br />When I posted my FIRST post here few month ago, I was banned because I said UBI does not have any exclusive contracts for those channels - in fact they were broadcasting them illigaly!<br /><br />Outcome?<br /><br />Me banned, abused, framed by the administrator here and his moderators!<br /><br />For what?<br /><br />For telling something you can all see by yourself now.<br /><br />May will come soon, court case will end, I'm very interested what you gonna lie to people after court case is finished and UBi loose those channels forewer?<br /><br /><br />Phil, if you only respected more my first post, a lot of things would be different today.<br /><br /><br />And on the end, if UBI had contracts to broadcast those channels same as TV+ did, you would never hear from me.<br /><br />I got nothing against UBI, I have a lot against lies, thugs, mafia CEO's who are hiding behind their spouses big asses atc ......

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ja:<br /><strong> phil said:<br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you only want TV plus to carry them Why?? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That is just not true!<br /><br />I only want the true to comme out! <br /><br />When I posted my FIRST post here few month ago, I was banned because I said UBI does not have any exclusive contracts for those channels - in fact they were broadcasting them illigaly!<br /><br />Outcome?<br /><br />Me banned, abused, framed by the administrator here and his moderators!<br /><br />For what?<br /><br />For telling something you can all see by yourself now.<br /><br />May will come soon, court case will end, I'm very interested what you gonna lie to people after court case is finished and UBi loose those channels forewer?<br /><br /><br />Phil, if you only respected more my first post, a lot of things would be different today.<br /><br /><br />And on the end, if UBI had contracts to broadcast those channels same as TV+ did, you would never hear from me.<br /><br />I got nothing against UBI, I have a lot against lies, thugs, mafia CEO's who are hiding behind their spouses big asses atc ...... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ja you were banned for calling me names,, REMEMBER DEBONO THUG! COMMUNIST PIG, DICTATOR, Shit I have forgotton the rest thats why you were banned

Yes!<br /><br />You forgot to tell everybody here why I called you like that?<br /><br />Because you edited my posts, because you deleted them etc.<br /><br />My post were not insulting, old visitors now what I was saying in them ...... only after you deleted them and forbid me to post the facts here, you pissed me off and I started to insult you - but you did deserve it and I do not regret it.<br /><br />When you say sorry to me for deleting my posts here in which I was telling that UBI has no rights to broadcast those channels, I will say sorry to you for insulting you, othervise you remain what you are ...... and you know what I think you are .....

Yes i edited your post when you insulted me. Don't you do that on your forum if someone insults you.<br />Sorry for what? Thats prove to me you work for Tv plus . there is no doubt about this now. Thankyou ja for slipping this now proves you work for TV plus. <br /><br />You have had a Coward vendeta against me because of the UBI forum from day one and this can only point in one direction. You wonder why so many are against you You and your lies.

But the difference between you and me is I'm a man enough to use my name are you? I bet not

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ja:<br /><strong>Because you edited my posts, because you deleted them etc.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You delete all my post on your forum Jar Head , it doesnt matter what they are about you delete them , so why whinge here ?

Boring, he is BORED on his forum

He should be , most of the members are him anyway !

His only genuine members are the ones abusing him. Or maybe some are ja's clones too

In my life I have never seen a useless member like ja. He post absolutely nothing but rubbish, I sometime wonder if he is not drunk in front of a computer.<br />I have never ever spotted anything that has helped anyone on these forums. he has to be intoxicated or just off his face. And he says he wants the truth, truth to his apparent disregard of other members more like it. Its sad.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>Originally posted by ja:<br />...Me banned, abused, framed by the administrator here and his moderators!<br />...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And you are still here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

to the admin<br /><br />UBI is the best f*** the rest!<br /><br />Lets steal people money, f*** them in the brain - we don't care<br />By the way lets steal some channels too ...<br /><br />UBI, UBI, UBI<br />Go UBIIIIIIIIIIIII<br /><br /><br />-------------------<br /><br />Happy now? You pimp retard .......<br /> <br /> <small>[ 07. April 2005, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: YU4CFG ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ja:<br /><strong> to the admin<br /><br />UBI is the best f*** the rest!<br /><br />Lets steal people money, f*** them in the brain - we don't care<br />By the way lets steal some channels too ...<br /><br />UBI, UBI, UBI<br />Go UBIIIIIIIIIIIII<br /><br /><br />-------------------<br /><br />Happy now? You pimp retard ....... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">JA, watch your language! <br /><br />(if you're allowing all sorts of insults at your forum that doesn't mean that you can do it here)

This "ja" is...., man I give up! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />Can someone just ban his ass, Pleaaaaase? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br /><br />Vlad...

what now?<br /><br />I started to support UBI, what is wrong now?<br /><br />Go UBIIIIIIIIII<br /><br /><br />PS<br /><br />YU4CFG if you search the forum, there is thousands of post with "FU*K" in them?<br />Why is my "FU*K" more insulting than others?<br /> <br /> <small>[ 08. April 2005, 06:42 AM: Message edited by: ja ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ja:<br /><strong> Why is my "FU*K" more insulting than others? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Because you are a ugly moron who should be neutered <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

UBI, UBI, UBI<br />oj oj oj<br /><br />go UBI, who want's to be honest?! That's for idiots, lets have somme funn, pinch somme channels, decieve thousands .... oh yeaaa that's funn<br /><br />Go UBIIIIIIIII

ja,<br /><br />Do you seriously have nothing better to do?