People who want to be a subscriber of the turkish package should be aware of the consequences that may arise too late.<br />Subscriber, like myself like to watch world cup qualifications matches on Kanal D. I found out too late that UBI has no right to broadcast.<br /> All restrictions and rights to users and also all other information must be shown to customers before the customers sign agreement.this must be done for all deals advertised.

i don't understand how come Kanal D has no rights or whatever the reason is while Picture of Croatia shows games eventho Setanta shows them too. as I said, there is more to it than we know.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mr_mixer:<br /><strong> People who want to be a subscriber of the turkish package should be aware of the consequences that may arise too late.<br />Subscriber, like myself like to watch world cup qualifications matches on Kanal D. I found out too late that UBI has no right to broadcast.<br /> All restrictions and rights to users and also all other information must be shown to customers before the customers sign agreement.this must be done for all deals advertised. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Isn't it writen on the Disclaimer? UBI can only show programmes that it has rights to. Unfortunately, sports is highly contested by other parties outside the country of origin for different parts of the world. <br /><br />Fox Sports can easily buy sporting events and if it happens also to be shown on Kanal D, this will have to blocked off as well especially when its live.

I like watching plenty of things and they are blocked on FTA and Pay ( Foxtel ) TV due to programming rights.<br /><br />Why should you be any different ?

Totally agree...

mr_mixer,<br /><br />It's not that UBI don't have the rights it's Kanal D that don't have rights to show the games in Australia due to another company/channel having the rights.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mr_mixer:<br /><strong> People who want to be a subscriber of the turkish package should be aware of the consequences that may arise too late.<br />Subscriber, like myself like to watch world cup qualifications matches on Kanal D. I found out too late that UBI has no right to broadcast.<br /> All restrictions and rights to users and also all other information must be shown to customers before the customers sign agreement.this must be done for all deals advertised. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Mr Mixer<br />Sometimes you confuse me.<br />You need to understand what Broadcasting rights are.<br />See Some French that live in Australia were getting the Pay Tv service of Intelsat 701 which included the PREMIUM MOVIE Channel, Now Foxtel found out and ORDERED the owners of the French service to remove the Channel id's of the movie channel from the cards sold in Australia. In other words if you want Movies you are forced to get Foxtel!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" /> <br />Thats is a world wide thing Mr Mixer.

i am sorry guys but thats just bull. if i pay $x to watch a channel i expect to watch it. just like with the serbia - belgium game when pink extra was pulled off air cos of rights although pink is the company which actually broadcasted the original signal to santanas and foxes.... <br /><br />you know that many of us only get these ethnic channels because of sports. and then to be told that fox has exclusive broadcast rights just SUCKS<br /><br />its funny how you were all outraged to have tv+ get the exclusive rights to serb channels here yet you have nothing to say about this. even though this is a similar issue.<br /><br />im not having a go at ubi and i dont have tv+, nor ubi, nor will i get it untill i know that when my favorite team is playing i will be able to watch it <br /><br />u know cunts such as fox buy the rights to a specific sport and although there is 10 games a week they only show 1 and hold the rest of us hostage to their choice of games nobody wanted to watch in the first place

I cant watch live AFL on a Friday night , I cant watch several games on weekends either because Foxtel has rights to them.<br /><br />Easier just to get over it. Or become a politician and try and change the law <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" />

Phill I understand the broadcasting rights, But I don't understand why UBI doesn't tell people before they sign up "Kanal D hasn't got right to the international games to broadcast outside of Turkey".If you sign up, you only signing up for part of Kanal D which international games aren't included.UBI misleads people, they let people think they are getting international games but they don't specify exactly what they will really be getting, this is the trick to getting more customers to sign up. Alot of people wouldn't sign up if they knew the facts.

UBI don't mislead people mr_mixer.<br /><br />End of topic from my side. I can't be bothered repeating the same thing over and over.

This is the topic we all tolked about RAI International.<br />Phil you confuse me sometimes too,<br />That was your centences about RAI International.This is not much different from RAI but ,now you`ve changed your opinion.<br /> <br />Member <br /><br />Member # 357 <br /><br /> posted 31 May, 2005 12:42 AM <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Yes but its not the one that most want with the football feed. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Posts: 163 | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged | <br /> <br />P Debono <br /><br />Administrator <br /><br />Member # 191 <br /><br />Member Rated:<br /> posted 31 May, 2005 11:13 AM <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />And that is the problem and yes some have been sucked in too.<br /><br />--------------------<br />"I Live in the Control Panel"<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Posts: 3985 | From: Cashmere, Brisbane, Australia | Registered: Feb 2001 | IP: Logged |<br /> <br /> We all sucked in too this Phill ....<br />We all here to protect peoples rights too<br /> <br />I am Talking to some Turkish society who subscribe to UBI..<br />Please come together,protect your rights,Put your foot down ,get UBI to buy those rights to add in Turkish package.<br /> One of the Biggest subscriber group for UBI is Turkish society.Instead off dealing Satanta with small groups(200 People)We can all come together and get UBI to deal with Satanta.<br /> Please do not forget we are all paying for Kanal D why not get all the pictures.<br /> Please come together,write to UBI ,ring them up,ask them you want the Kanal D it has National Games in it.<br /> Please come together and protect your rights to be able to watch the game from home comfortably with your family rather than going to a smoky smelly cold coffee shop to watch with a crowded 200 people.<br /> We can get UBI to buy rights...

mr_mixer,<br /><br />It's Kanal D who needs to buy the rights not UBI.<br /><br />I'll say it once again - If you want to make a complaint direct it to Kanal D and/or Setanta.<br /><br />Do you know the high cost in buying sporting rights? It's well into the (high) hundreds of thousands or lower millions.<br /><br />If your not happy with the service UBI are providing I can offer to cancel your contract without any penalty if your within the 6 month contract period.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 08. June 2005, 07:03 AM: Message edited by: LISKI WORLD TV ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mr_mixer:<br /><strong> This is the topic we all tolked about RAI International.<br />Phil you confuse me sometimes too,<br />That was your centences about RAI International.This is not much different from RAI but ,now you`ve changed your opinion.<br /> <br />Member <br /><br />Member # 357 <br /><br /> posted 31 May, 2005 12:42 AM <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Yes but its not the one that most want with the football feed. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Posts: 163 | Registered: Mar 2002 | IP: Logged | <br /> <br />P Debono <br /><br />Administrator <br /><br />Member # 191 <br /><br />Member Rated:<br /> posted 31 May, 2005 11:13 AM <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />And that is the problem and yes some have been sucked in too.<br /><br />--------------------<br />"I Live in the Control Panel"<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Posts: 3985 | From: Cashmere, Brisbane, Australia | Registered: Feb 2001 | IP: Logged |<br /> <br /> We all sucked in too this Phill ....<br />We all here to protect peoples rights too<br /> <br />I am Talking to some Turkish society who subscribe to UBI..<br />Please come together,protect your rights,Put your foot down ,get UBI to buy those rights to add in Turkish package.<br /> One of the Biggest subscriber group for UBI is Turkish society.Instead off dealing Satanta with small groups(200 People)We can all come together and get UBI to deal with Satanta.<br /> Please do not forget we are all paying for Kanal D why not get all the pictures.<br /> Please come together,write to UBI ,ring them up,ask them you want the Kanal D it has National Games in it.<br /> Please come together and protect your rights to be able to watch the game from home comfortably with your family rather than going to a smoky smelly cold coffee shop to watch with a crowded 200 people.<br /> We can get UBI to buy rights... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Mr mixer we have two RAI's one on Asiasat 2 which is FTA and the other is on PAS 2 in C band WMI Pay TV service, this RAI carries the Soccor and you are paying for it.<br />On Another note Its take time to make and add a ribbon on any channel just to warn the subscriber that UBI will not be showing any of these advertised matches.<br />You guys would get a SHOCK if you knew how many staff UBI had running the show and If you did you would SAY how can they all do this with so few Staff. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br />Look at how many channels UBI has piled on in the last 6 months, Look how many TV Plus has piled on in the last 6 months and TV plus has no MCR (MASTER CONTROL ROOM) to worry about and even then TV plus is stuffing up with 4 channels.<br />I would love to know the Staff at TV plus and I would not be surprised if its not much less than what UBI have, Remember TV plus have only 4 channels to look after + that don't have to look after the uplink or downlink side of things.<br />Talk about getting Confused <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ 08. June 2005, 07:56 AM: Message edited by: P Debono ]</small>

totally irrelavent to the topic phil. please stay on the topic <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

Liski is right....UBI is not the source of the problem..Kanal D plays the game... They've limited right to bradcast the National Team's international matches.....

To LISKI WORLD TV<br /><br />Firstly i'd like to begin saying that i have been watching this forum very closely over the past few days, I'm representing the Macedonian community of Victoria. You fail to understand that UBI has an obligation to customers to fulfil in there terms and conditions. What Mr_Mixer has been arguing is a very serious matter to all ethnic groups who do strongly follow sports, and i urge UBI to act on this ASAP. If UBI do not make clear to there customers that certain sporting events will not be aired, the customer has every right to cancel there package with UBI. I personally was a subscriber for many years with the old TARBS all though have since cancelled my subscription. I personally no of a number of groups within the melbourne community who are outraged over UBI promising customers a new service with out Airing all of it's contents, inperticularly soccer match and other sporting events. Lisky i do understand your point of view with costs involved with buying rights to sporting events, although if the customer is not being told of this is this is missleading. Rest asure that this matter will not lie to rest, i no of groups of people which are in the process of taking action against UBI for not informing them appropriately. Mr_Mixer in all fairness is correct in what he has said and if UBI do no address this matter seriously, i can not see UBI becoming prostperous amongst ethnic community's which is the driving force behind UBI customers. I've even heard of people as far as going live on the radio and speaking live to audiances in regards to this issue which does not look good for UBI. My advice is basiclly this....if UBI can not afford to buy rights to these events due to cost your better off not airing the chanel what so ever, but in the same token UBI customers should be told and notified promptly before there day of service that certain sporting events will not be listed and state which chanels and which events will be blanked. This will save a lot of confussion, time, money and heartache for customers. "Mr_Mixer great topic you have exposed"<br />This issue arose a few years back when TARBS was around MR Lisky a class action was taken out on TARBS for not fulfilling there promises, it ended up in massive payouts to TARBS customers which shows that being honest is the only policy.<br /><br />Kind Regards<br />bibird

What’s a point of having a go at tv+ now?<br />For a guy that says he is not affiliated with any pay tv company you sure have a funny way of putting that across.

bigbird, your talk is like your nick name! What this has got to do for UBI having Kanal D or removing from its channel list. For most of the viewers, the National Soccer match was not that important to watch live but at least was transmitted as replay on Vizyon. So, I believe that the general public has much tolerant comments over the broadcasting of UBI. And, please, do not forget, its not UBI, its the Kanal-D doesn't have the broadcasting rights....

I have heard on ethnic radio stations around melbourne and the general consences of viewers not getting what they've paid for. And all i have to say is that there a lot of very unhappy customers. Especially in the Macedonian community. More and more people are moving away from purchasing packages with UBI due to peoples opinions and voices heard amongst the community, there are even people purchasing pirated chipped boxes soley for the fact that they feel they have ripped off....That is just the general feeling and amongst the Macedonian community that i know of. I'm not having a go at anybody, all i am mearly stateing is that a lot of consumers are not happy.

bigbird,<br /><br />This topic is in regards to the Sporting rights on Kanal D on UBI. What has this got to do with the Macedonian Community that you represent?<br /><br />The Macedonian Community should be happy as MKTV Sat is currently FTA so they can watch it free and also K-15 is coming on-air shortly.

bigbird,<br /><br />I'm not aware of any Class Action taken against TARBS. Please provide some facts?<br /><br />In the UBI Terms & Conditions (http://www.ubiworldtv.com/images/tc_brochure_a4.pdf) <br /><br />It states:<br /><br />3.2 We shall not be liable to you for any delay or interruption of the Service, changes in programming or any programming errors.<br /><br />This is a problem regarding Kanal D not having the broadcast rights for Australia.

Lisky World TV<br /><br />Regarding the class action it was apparntly in the month of June of 2000 don't quote me on that one, it's not fact it's what i have overheard through conversation. Irespective of the 3.2 clause the company should practice and excersize more appropriate measures to informing ethnic community members with UBI about the un aired footage....not all people understand english to well.<br /><br />Kind Regards<br />bigbird

bigbird,<br /><br />There has never been a Class Action against TARBS. So whoever is spreading this rumor is doing it to give UBI a bad image.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by bigbird:<br /><strong> I have heard on ethnic radio stations around melbourne and the general consences of viewers not getting what they've paid for. And all i have to say is that there a lot of very unhappy customers. Especially in the Macedonian community. More and more people are moving away from purchasing packages with UBI due to peoples opinions and voices heard amongst the community, there are even people purchasing pirated chipped boxes soley for the fact that they feel they have ripped off....That is just the general feeling and amongst the Macedonian community that i know of. I'm not having a go at anybody, all i am mearly stateing is that a lot of consumers are not happy. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So tell me Bigbird you are saying if you buy a pirated system you can watch your Soccer? Geeeeeeee thats new to me. So UBI are not showing it but if you get a hacked tarbs or ubi box bingo we have the soccer, Can you sell me one of those boxes? I would like to have one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/default/grin.gif" /> <br />LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL<br />May I explain to you BIGBIRD many years ago hundreds of Satellite enthusiasts around Australia<br />use to subscribe to ESPN. Now all you needed was a 4 Metre dish A Scientific Atlanta receiver Decoder which cost me Over $2000 Australian dollars and forget the dish and we were watching ESPN yes all this money for One Fu.cking channels and we all enjoyed it.<br />Now along comes Foxtel and they see that on Satellites above Australia there is Discovery channel, National Geographic Channel and many other good channels running FTA for all to see that have their own Private dishes.<br />Now Foxtel gets in the act and forces ESPN to tell us to all go and Jump, mind you we were all here YEARS ahead of FUC.TEL Foxtel and they bully us out of the way and they tell us enthusiasts to join Foxtel to get ESPN. As for all the other Good English channels on Free to air satellite that have gone thank Foxtel for that as they want you to join their Blackmail Pay TV service. If you're not happy with UBI go to TV Plus and stop whingeing because you are another that cannot understand the dirty politics of Pay Tv or Broadcasting rights of a sporting event .<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

One more reason to have Web TV, there's no way that Foxtel or anyone else can block the stream.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by fsking:<br /><strong> bigbird, your talk is like your nick name! What this has got to do for UBI having Kanal D or removing from its channel list. For most of the viewers, the National Soccer match was not that important to watch live but at least was transmitted as replay on Vizyon. So, I believe that the general public has much tolerant comments over the broadcasting of UBI. And, please, do not forget, its not UBI, its the Kanal-D doesn't have the broadcasting rights.... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">400 people paying 25 dollars 4 Am Dallas BreakPoint Turkish Cafe <br />fsking,you are too faar away from reality <br />or if you like to watch Cooking shows it is up to you <br />Please be honest,<br />I was in the cafee shop ,and I asked the people.They were the ones behind me..<br />Standup and protect your kind...

Liski,<br /> Kanal D is showing the game tonight ...<br />How did this happen? .Did UBI get the rights for One night?...<br /> It is not the one UBI has no right ,It is other strong society to make UBI do it or do not do it.You`ll say Satanta give permission (when I was saying "you got no %100 right to broadcast Kanal D "I was saying that.)<br /> Please do not play with Turkish people.Buy They right Of Satanta and give them.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Nick:<br /><strong> One more reason to have Web TV, there's no way that Foxtel or anyone else can block the stream. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh yes they can. All they do is enforce the ISP providers to block certain IP addresses or websites streaming into Australia... Its done in China..

KANAL D dosent have the rights! Can't ppl understand.<br /><br />I mean..If you dont like it cancel your contract and watch zippo. I'm sick of hearing this bullshit...grow up.

Liski I am offering you a debate on Turkish radio. I ll organise Turkish radio to make as meet at same time ,We can discus this infront of Turkish subscribers.I am waiting your answer...!<br /> <br /><br />Fsking ,please mention that you've said ("For most of the viewers, the National Soccer match was not that important ")In Break Point Dallas ,infront of 400 Turkish Subscribers please do that I ll be there right next to you....Please do that <br />You wery brawe. Writing this generous words here .Please go tell people Who was forsed to watch the game in Break Point 4 am,paying $25 dollars ,Plus payin UBI $66 dollars for Kanal D,smoking and non smoking mixed.Go tell them not here<br /> <br /> <small>[ 08. June 2005, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: mr_mixer ]</small>

mr_mixer,<br /><br />I will not be going on Turkish Radio to discuss this issue.<br /><br />If you simply can not understand what has been explained to you multiple times then I feel sorry for you.<br /><br />Case Closed!<br /><br />Please do not open a new open regarding the same issue.