</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong> But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes to achieve this and how to maintain both services during the transistion. The usual way to do this is to use simulcrypt (a DVB standard that allows mutiple CA systems to work on a single mux) a good example is Austar that is running both NDS and Irdeto using this method. But MDS is not DVB compliant and I doubt it supports the simulcrypt interface. Even id MDS is simulcrypt complient, there is only one control word shared between the CA systems - the weakest encryptions sets the security level. The only other option is to dual illuminate service which doubles the satellite costs ....... it will be interesting to see how this plays out. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Going FTA for a couple of weeks might be the only solution

If they do go FTA for a while it gives people from Pas8 companies to check out UBI channels and may decide to join... and it could benefit UBI.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by SelecTV:<br /><strong> But the issue is that the Irdeto capable STBs can't be used with MDS, so they will have to change out all of the MDS boxes...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Exactly what I've mentioned before. Replacing all customers' receivers with new ones is going to cost a lot. On the top of it, there is INSTALATIONS. It's costly as well. I hope that burden is not going to be transferred to U.B.I. subscribers...

YU4CFG,<br /><br />Give it a rest!

I guess UBI have evaluated the costs of lost revenue vs the cahnging of the new system. I'm sure they have a figure. probably take a hit on it then be better off int eh long run.<br /><br />Doe sthis mean it will be easier for UBI to distribute english channels? and have full 16:9 digital vid?

The new system has nothing to do with English channels or 16:9.<br /><br />Most of the international feeds we receive are not in 16:9 format.

guys they are not doing the change over to improve their customers viewing.They are doing it do cut piracy.<br /><br />Dont excpect anything like 16:9, better quality picture or anything else for that matter.<br /><br />They are just going to change encryption systems.Well thats the rumour anyway.<br /><br />mixo

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Liski:<br /><strong> YU4CFG,<br /><br />Give it a rest! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hey, Liski, this is a forum open for discussion even if you don't like what some are saying you should not try to stop it.<br />I'll say what's on my mind, even if you may not like it.<br /><br />&#1056;&#1072;&#1079;&#1073;&#1080;&#1088;&#1072;&#1096;?

Irdeto boxes cost stuff all<br />$35 u.s each or even less in bulk<br /><br />As for instalations what is hard about sending out the box and letting the subscriber plug it in themselves?

apsattv, I know it's cheap for the company to buy receivers but even simple plug-in procedure could be a nightmare for some elderly subscribers... Anyway, maybe U.B.I. will buy, deliver and install new boxes free of charge (if you live with the fairies) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

Yu4cfg...watch it or you will get lazered!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />If ubi sees that ir2 is the way to go they will do it.Its not up to us what they do.<br /><br />Liski works for ubi and he will spin ubis line, everyone knows this.The secret is to read between the lines!<br /><br />I really dont care what they do, I get all the top rating greek series off the net anyway, and ert has the best news available on sat for FREE!!!.It even has good series as long as you know how to set the video.<br /><br />If you are greek you really dont need ubi.60 dollars buys you a lot of broadband these days!!!!<br /><br />mixo<br /><br />P.s I forgot to mention if you are lucky enought to have a greek/turkish video shop you can get most of the series on VHS for a buck each!So you see you really can do without ubi , tvplus and the rest!<br /> <br /> <small>[ 16. February 2006, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: mixo ]</small>

mixo, your post is very interesting, especially if I read between lines <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by mixo:<br /><strong> Yu4cfg...watch it or you will get lazered!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/default/smile.gif" /> <br /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Relax mixo your acting like a school child that didt get his way so has to be a smart arse about it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/default/rolleyes.gif" /> and have a cry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/default/tongue.gif" />

You all make me laugh. How about you wait and find out what the plans are instead of starting rumors!<br /><br />There might be only a handful of people registered but there are over 20,000 guests reading and I'd prefer for them not to get sucked into your rumors.

Off Topic<br /> <br /> <small>[ 17. February 2006, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: Liski ]</small>

Enough is enough, I personally know at least 10 people who where about to purchase boxes and many others who have already purchased their box so they can subscribe to UBI. My advice to them is not to purchase or subscribe until UBI make things clear we need an official announcement if a change is to be made and also a guarantee that all current subscribers will not be inconvenienced or out of pocket in any way. Also those who have boxes and are in the process of subscribing be assured of the same deal. The announcement and assurance needs to occur within 48 hours as March 1st is only 7 working days away<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />

MadScientist,<br /><br />Read my posts and you will see that:<br /><br />No paying/valid subscribers will be inconvenienced or need to purchase a new IRD. They will be given a brand new IRD free of charge.<br /><br />Also do not focus on 1st of March - nothing will be happening on this date!

Can you give us an indication of the time frame for this transition and what will happen during the transition

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by MadScientist:<br /><strong> Enough is enough, I personally know at least 10 people who where about to purchase boxes and many others who have already purchased their box so they can subscribe to UBI. My advice to them is not to purchase or subscribe until UBI make things clear we need an official announcement if a change is to be made and also a guarantee that all current subscribers will not be inconvenienced or out of pocket in any way. Also those who have boxes and are in the process of subscribing be assured of the same deal. The announcement and assurance needs to occur within 48 hours as March 1st is only 7 working days away<br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/default/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think its best to get them to subscribe now to be able to get a free box otherwise they have wasted their money with the Mentor Box.

That information is not revelant at the moment.<br /><br />There is no need to advise people not to subscribe to UBI.<br /><br />Nicely said Big Chief!

How about deleteing your mates lasers message as well, that was off topic...<br /><br />i think there is one rule for some people in here and another for the others..<br /><br />mixo<br /><br />P.s If you want to know what i said just pm me...No big secret either...

mixo,<br /><br />I will leave this post so people don't think I'm doing something bad but please stay on topic!

Liksi I dont deny your right to delete messages, I just want you to be consistant!<br /><br />mixo

According to B52 over at Austech, "UBI Irdeto Delta-5 is scheduled for roll out in April. UEC will supply the boxes at $70 each."

ABC Asia Pacific have also sent out version 5 irdeto cards for their service...<br /><br />There is compatability issues with some decoders..<br /><br />This may be an issue to some who plan to stick the new UBI card in their own IRDETO unit.<br /><br />I bet the cards will be locked to the new UEC unit..

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by apsattv:<br /><strong> ...I bet the cards will be locked to the new UEC unit.. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'd say it's a safe bet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/default/cool.gif" />

Well will our MDS units be any good for PBS?

Thinks hard...<br />see's EX UBI MDS units floating away to Fiji.......

Unless PBS also go Delta V5 with the UEC's also.

w000t my dreamax has irdetto 2

From what I understand of it the irdeto v5 stream is delivered at a faster rate causing timing issues. This is causing incompatibilty legit Irdeto comaptible hardware.<br /><br />Some manufacturers will need to release newer firmware.

Word on the street is that UBI has advised its installers that they will start ditributing Irdeto STBs on 17 Mach. <br /><br />So, MDS STBs will only be good for landfill. Hope nobody is stuck with significant stock or bids for one of these crap boxes on ebay.

The datarates are all set in the DVB spec. The real issue is the version of Irdeto SofCel integrated into the STB. Off the top of my head you need >= ver 2.4 to support the epsilon card. <br />Problem with Irdeto is that not all STBs are made equally. Irdeto makes their money by charging STB manufactures a royalty on each STB that they produce. Some, mostly Chinese and Korean, vendors fail to pay this fee, in effect pirating the SoftCel. But their SoftCels are never tested (DVT) and are always very old, but they are marketed as Irdeto STBs......... Buyer beware.....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by megb68:<br /><strong> So is it time to sell my ex-tarb box???? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If you're not subscriber of U.B.I., SELL IT, ASAP... (Prices are in free fall) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/default/wink.gif" />

The TVPlus cards are Epsilon. Are they V3?

A post by liski himself states that no paying UBI customers will out of pocket.<br /><br />Liski has mentioned on a different site/forum that all customers will have to pay at least $70 dollars for a new box.<br /><br />Which is true? Free or not and how mutch.<br />Or is this a new way of scamming more money out of ex-tarbs subscribers and then switching of again in a few months. <br />Why is it that Ubi didn't invest into buying/supplying the new irdeto2 in the first place. something is not right here everyone.<br />"BUYER BEWARE"<br />I'd also like to mention that many so called "exclusive" channels to UBI where realy FTA and UBI was falsely advertising them as their own. <br />Ive' been suckered once but not twice!<br /><br />PS. I do understand UBI is not in any way ascociated with TARBS but they seem to be going the same way.....interesting. <br />Where is Mr Boulos anyway?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VCValiant:<br /><strong> <br />Liski has mentioned on a different site/forum that all customers will have to pay at least $70 dollars for a new box.<br /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Liski wasent the one that posted that saw that message on austech and it wasent from Liski<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VCValiant:<br /><strong> I'd also like to mention that many so called "exclusive" channels to UBI where realy FTA and UBI was falsely advertising them as their own. <br /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which ones??

Sorry then!<br />Must of got confused in all those punches and stone throwing. Sorry liski if I missjudged you but I'm just being carefull.

I have been told that there are some management people who were involved in TARBS, also involved in UBI.<br /><br />One of the Call Centre people just came out and told me when I asked, when I first rang up about some info I needed, because I said how I was unsure whether I could trust UBI based on the TARBS experience of many.<br /><br />I wonder what the case really is?