This is where you find your true friend when you're in need.

Great reading tonight!!

I like that - 'VOD'.
Yep, all who brush up against docs go on in life to become VOD's.

Incidentally, you are so correct jaremt about guessing there being no compensation from the government re: docs way of dealing with and your family.
As a VOD I asked a docs worker after the court cases finsihed up, after my son was dumped back into my care etc. asked can docs now refer me for PTSD sytle counselling now that they have crucified me and tortured my son? The response was "we would have to have you assessed by OUR psychiatrist and then we would have to extend our order whilst all this goes on...". Bullshit to that response I thought.

And the police - one mighty big boy's club.
Ever heard of the C.A.R.E. factor?
It's an acronym for - cover arse remain employed.

Yes, I have read your stuff on Altnew Deborah. Another VOD story.

Good on Ihategov for keeping this forum focussed.

I was going to post something about a topic surrounding the word hegemony and how it applies to docs. Another time.

Bravo to you all for the constant exposure and debate around this much hated and distrusted government department.

Member i hate gov dept

How did you find out as you said below:

CHRIS Hurley - the policeman acquitted of manslaughter over a Palm Island death in custody of Mulrunji Doomadgee received a confidential $100,000 under the table payment.

If this is true I would like to know how come he got special treatment from the Government and not others that have been found innocent by the system, or in docs related cases where it is proven that all or part of a persons problem was caused by a docs lie.

There are some sad stories all over the internet regarding the involvement with any of these government Departments but if you have bought this on yourself you deserve what you get but on the other hand if you are innocent only to be framed or lied too by this DoCHS well that is different.

All
Have a read of this Child Safety mess.
Its a fucking mile long. Some of these women today must dedicate there lives in getting back at docs

http://au.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-fXzewZMiRKgEeWYniHg-?cq=1

+ 1

I would not be surprised if this is true after all you must remember that the Police today and it doesn't matter what state you live in always find ways to bend the law and suit themselves when in need.

The Government seems to be selective when it come to giving compensation. I think if you do some re-search you will find a few in the Police force in all states that have been given a hefty last pay packet but I wonder if any or how many have received a hefty cheque from the Government for DoCHS abuse in any state in Australia.

ew
Shit Stirrer.

I'm reading it now.

hello,
I am the typist and not the person who made this comment but they have ok'ed me to paste onto this forum...

"Hey,
I've found an even better workd to throw at them.

HEGEMONY.

Hegemony means the ascendancy or domination of one power over another. In a critical social science interprestation, it refers to the ways in which some social systems, and the people in them, give the impression that they are unassailable, and that the conditions they have produced are not only good, but also appropriate for the people over whom they have control.

Now that sounds exactly like our f govt dept.

As an example, in nursing, it means that nurses come to think that the hospital bureaucracy is not only necessary, but also conducive to their welfare, and that the oppressive elements, such as domination relationships and challenging or difficult work conditions, can't and shouldn't be changed. Hegemony works to have nurses believe thaey can do little to change their work lives. Hegemonic influences work to maintain the status quo and resist change.

So in terms of docs, this could be seen to also be in play. their culture is such that the staff apprear to be so indocrinated that they do not even think to question any of the processes - 'word's are enough??!!' & continue to get victims of their system to meet continuing insurmountable and ever-changing goal posts. At what point do the staff stop and thnk to question that if someone has met the goal prosts (eg provided clean urines, attend counselling etc), then perhaps substance use/ misuse is NOT an issue, or hand this issue over to the repsected experts in this field, rather than dictate to that field of expertise what docs think they should be doing.
remember that beautiful line frequently coming from CSO's 'i'll have to speak to my supervisor'. Why. Why is that so?
Because they don't have a brain themselves. because they are so unsure of their work that they con't know what to do? Because they are so under the hegemonistic influence that they cannot make a decision on their own - yet these same people are put in charge of 'cases'. Not to mention they come out to your house and decide to remove the child.
And that is another issue. Is it nice to be known as a 'case'. That hegemonistic way of depersonalizing the damage done to distance themselves from the pain they cause. It's a bit like working in an operating theatre. When a person is covered in green sterile drapes and the body is cut open, it's not gorey because it's only a square of flesh that it seen. It's cut off from the big picture.
sorry, i feel like I am egging you on, and firing you up. that's not the intention. If you are writing to anyone these are terms that describe some of docs policies and procedures that need to be reconsidered.

reification is another one. That means making into a thing. It is the taking of essential activites and treating them as if they operated according to a given set of laws independently of the wishes of the people engaged in the activities. Kind of like the laws of social life. So a nurse might do things that would indicate she is deferring to a doctor, putting him in a place of power, even if she doesn't agree with it - it's about assumptions - which docs seem to do a lot of.

Emancipation = freedon. Inference that one is freed FROM something and free TOWARDS something. So emancipating persons to be liverated from their present oppressive conditions to be freed towards empowering conditions.

The whole problem with that is that docs are not about empowerment at all. At what point do they even attempt to five parents any power over their lives and stop destabilising the whole process by docs decisioins.Empowerment is abouthelping people find their own pwer. Dcos just treat parents like children they have stolen and shove them from pillar to post as well. granted that there are some parents out there that need a lot of assistance in learning how to parent more effectively - so why not work side by side with that parent, or employ people who are experts at that. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how anyone who has not even given birth can make a decision on whether someone is "god enough" to be a parent.. "Good enough" is the benchmark set by the majority of literature around parenting through post-natal depression. A shame it is not the benchmark set by docs. When have docs published research papers on their success rates of their processes. Have they done longitudinal studies about the positive outcomes of the children they 'saved' by tearing those very chidren's lives apart at an early age, then moving them frequently into situations that sometimes were more damaging than the family home. where are the glowing statistics on the fine members of adult society they turned these children into?"

...The above written is not from my head but plagiarized from an email sent to me by a friend who works extensively with shared clients with docs.

Also I will still paste on ex CSO comments about working in that polluted organisation. It is still coming. I try to keep my words/ promises.

cheers

Yes Jaremt,
Thanks for that link. Remember hell hath no fury over a woman scorned. Let's get together girls!!

Can you still remember the Fitzgerald enquiry. The autobiography from Jack Herbert was a insightful read.

Never truer words spoken, That"s EXACTLY what they use to say to my wife all the time.

Have a read.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23770642-601,00.html

http://netk.net.au/Aboriginal/Aboriginal97.asp

http://www.kwoff.com/story.php?title=Palm_death_cop_Chris_Hurley_got_100000_payout__The_Australian-1

http://www.ozbiker.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1741&Itemid=59

The internet is full of it

Yet another.

Back in the 1970's an Australian in her early 20's worked as a child protection officer in England.

Children were subjected to a physical examination at school.
What they did was get children to drop their pants & touch their toes.
Umm...



Families were accused of sexual abuse alot of marriages disolved & some commited suicide

Until a Dr a specialist affirmed a condition gaping anus IT did not cease...but by then the damage was done

Did anyone by any chance watch that movie I think that was on Channel 9 last night called "16 Blocks" staring Bruce Willis and David Morse?
It's about corrupt cops and the way they go on their business.
Now watch that movie and pretend the COPS are DOCS CSO's and you will find a Similarity.

Lying, Setting People up, Honest Cops (DOCS CSO's) being corrupted by Bent COPS (In this case DOCS CSO'S, Bullying, intimidation, Honest Cops leave but threatened not to say anything to whats been going on (same as one DOCS worker that contacted me a year ago she complained the same.

And the only thing that I could find to differentiate between the both of them is that DOCS don't have guns YET.

Yes I did and I can see the similarity

This happened in Sydney until the late seventies that Children were medically examined at school from head to toe.

My 13 year old brother was found to have only one testicle as the other was booted upstairs months earlier.
My brother complained about the pain after he was kicked but my parents did nothing and said the pain would go away but it didn't. luckily weeks later we had a friendly forced visit from a Government doctor at school where they spent days examining all the kids and when he examined my brother he diagnosed that one was missing or something like that.

If this happened today according to Child Safety the Parents aren't even allowed to talk about that sort of thing and as for the parent doing their duty to see if two of them still live there no way that's not allowed according to C/S and even if the child goes to the doctor today the doctor is scared shit less to touch them just in case the mother or the child says you touched them for 5 seconds to long so according to Child safety that sexual abuse.

What a sick perverted society we have become today. My male doctor told me that he will not examine a child without a nurse present, he will not examine a woman without a nurse present. So i asked him what happens if the doctor is a woman, he explained that's different she does not need a nurse with her to examine any child nor does she if she has to touch a man in the private parts

If you ever get to have any time and you want to shake you head have a read of the Department Of Child Safety Manual.
It must have been written by a fuckwit that has no family.

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/practice-manual/

Mind you DOCS even tell you if your child runs into your bed at night for whatever reason and you leave the child there in the bed with you that is a form of Child Abuse.

FOR ALL TO KNOW
THE POLICE DO NOT AGREE entirely with a lot what is written in that manual because if it was law 100% of the population in QLD would be arrested and charged with Child Abuse. How do I know this JAB Police told me so.

Maybe I should get together one day with thisisgood and between the both of us we should be able to write a good manual about DOCS.

Why not, we will add a few more members in that list this way the manual on DOCS abuse will be covered 100% correctly.

During reunification, estranged hubby was told to have a safety rail on a bunk for a 10 year old who had slept in the top bunk for the previous 4 years...or reunification would be cancelled - over a f*#king safety rail he has never needed previously...

What I hate is when the CSO's try to be the parent to your child in front of you but it's a laugh when your child reacts to it b/c the CSO breaks every triple P principle in the book and still expects respect from the child! We wouldn't need Triple P or parents then would we, we just need to be self righteous CSO's and scorned females at that!

Triple P by the way is Positive Parenting Program and boy do Dchs come out looking like hypocrits !

Typical nothing new.

Sorry I forgot about the Masturbation bit.
DOCS tell you that if your Child Masturbates to many times please seek help.(Ring DOCS they will blame the parents and always arrest the father)

FUCK FACE DOCS! Does the average family have to buy a masturbation meter do they. You have to be SICK to write something like this in your manual.SICK,SICK,SICK, SICK IN THE HEAD.

Please read their manual and puke.!

Its called a ego trip, remember a high percentage of DOCS staff have tried firstly to get employment in the Police Service as a Police officer but failed one way or another. So where is the next line of employment that gives them power and they can get there ego trips quite easily.
DOCS

Hello,

Lovingmykids, that bit about the safety rail is just a typical stand over tatic by this department.
And then one reads all that stuff in the practice manual (still need to find out which section that bit about masturbation is in?) and whilst it all sounds above board we know that in reality that some docs workers are just bullies with their own agenda at hand i.e. power trips.

It is when these idiots tell someone 'to get a safety rail or else' that it should be placed in writing. Then that could be taken to court if the idiots would actually stipulate this crap request in writing.
And as we know, some (many it would seem!) just don't give a f... 'cause they know at the end of the day there is no real penalties for their actions.
So docs workers in the year 2008 know they can run amock, twist and bully you all they want and will get away with it every single time.

One more thing,
The q'ld government are gutless. They know their are some intrinsic problems with the manner in which docs handles their clients and those families affected by docs actions and there is a complete inability for any legal reprisal against this organisation.
People of queensland your hands are tied before you start whether you are guilty or not because the system has to lie to prove you are guilty no matter what evidence you have.

Also why if you (or me for that matter) are such a threat to your child and therefore children are removed due to being assessed as 'at risk' from you then why are they given back to you and no follow up exists? How come docs then drop you and your child back together and forget all their concerns about what a big bad ugly parent they were so busy trying to portray you as in court.

Got to.
http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/practice-manual/

Once there, look at the VERY TOP right you will find a DEPT OF CHILD SAFETY SEARCH window.

Drop in the word,,,,,, masturbation ,,,,, in that box and go for it! and you will find more than one article on the above.

All I ask is if you ever get bored please read their SICK PERVERTED manual.

You know how FUCKED they are, they say in their manual that if a child continually wets his or her nappies/ undies the child is being abused possible sexually.
NOW ALL! I bet you have seen that I think the DRY NITES AD! where a young boy runs in his bed room going to bed and the ad says Quote "Don't worry if the child continues to wet his or her pants at night as they will grow out of it and dry in their own time".
Now we have all seen this ad so why in the hell does the Department of Child safety Contradict what is shown on National Television, Who would you believe?
So what is it Dry NITES and all the television stations around Australia.....You have FAILED! mandatory reporting Child Abuse.

I have read a fair bit of it and some sections are good and very informative but YAK!! who is responsible for the lies and intimidation on it!.

It must have been the CSO from hell that we dealt with.

I was told last night that the bitch from CSA that screwed me by saying it was ok to pay child maintenance on a child that's isn't yours now works for DoCS.
See it shows you it must be in their blood to move from one position of authority to another

Didn't you say once in the early days before the forum crashed and you lost heaps of post that the bitch you dealt with besides being a fucking liar that she was a cranky old bat, possibly a lesbian, a mat muncher.

And this is what I Hate Govern Department said to me in a pm exactly what you just said now that they are untouchable, a law onto their own, and because this Child Protection ACT 1999 protects them and they know this that they can just about get away with murder.

I think in reference to a child possibly suffering from sexual abuse if they are wetting their pants or bed is a little different from what you think. It is in reference to child who are toilet trained who then suddenly revert back to wetting their pants/bed. This can sometimes be a physical sign of children who have been sexually abused. It is not in reference to children who are not toilet trained and it is not in reference to all children.

In regards to the masturbation it is also in reference to children who masturbate excessivley (ie in front of other people, continue to do so after redirection, try to coerce other children to join in). This is often another sign of possible sexual abuse. Child psychologists and other experts have outlined normal sexual development of children as a guideline and any differences in sexual development for a child's age may need to be looked at further.

Hespera

What Child safety office do you operate out from?
because that's the impression i'm getting.

Like you said correctly it can sometimes be a physical sign of sexual abuse but you said the magic word and that word is sometimes.
You need to ask any Lawyer they will tell you DoCHs turns sometimes into every time.

And as for you guys being wankers you're all wankers from the day you're all born cant trust none of you.

You talk about experts? How can they be experts if they haven't done it themselves, everyone is a expert and personally I'm sick of paper experts.

Now be honest what office do you hang out from, trust me pm me, i'll turn my pm back on just 4 u, I wont tell anyone
Cathy and the Girls having a laugh.

Sorry I had to come back because of the bitches next to me.

Question: how do you know children masturbate excessively?

Re-direction? from who, DoCHs?

You know these days if you had a child and the child wet its pants for no reason and the child wasn't getting sexually abused by anyone you have to be a idiot to try to get some help.

Actually I had a feeling that after posting that that someone here would assume that I work for Child Safety. The fact is that I don't. Sorry Cathy, I won't be PM'ing you to give you the "goss", your impression is wrong. So laugh all you like.

I have worked with CSO's through my profession and I agree with everything that has been said on here. DOCS do get it wrong, some CSO's working there get it wrong. Just because I a able to interpret things a little differently and have knowledge about signs of sexual abuse doesn't mean that I am automatically a CSO's.

Besides that, would it be a problem if I was? Would I no longer be able to be a part of this forum? I haven't belittled anyone, called anyone names or used derogatory terms towards anyone. Are you to be the judge on who can and can't comment on this forum? And what if an actual CSO wanted to be a part of this forum? Wouldn't it be benefical for others if the right kind of CSO's (compassionate, understanding and not corrupt) were a part of this forum?

"How can people be experts unless they have done it themselves?" Ahhh it's called working with children that have been sexually abused and conducting studies, gathering data, monitoring the children and looking for physical and emotional signs that they display so then they can help educate other's on what to look for. Have you ever suffered sexual abuse Cathy? Have you ever worked with children that have? Have you ever had to hold a mother who is crying because she didn't realise that her child was being sexually abused as it was happening in her own home? There needs to be more education about this so parents know the signs to look for and maybe more children can be spared from this horrible act.

But we're getting off the point of the forum here.