Hi,
Justice4All I was making a comment that since docs have intervened in my life before and removed my child as 'being at risk' I now think that if someone placed an anonymous complaint about the way in which I parent or that they have concerns for my child's safety that docs would act swift and remove child again and go into the whole investigation thing again.
To my understanding is that because one already has a history with docs they are quicker to act on any notifications - fabricated or otherwise.

So Justice4All I was asking you for your input into this comment - am I imagining it or not?

And yes, another busy day at work and another late hour on this computer. I am becoming sleep deprived like the rest of you all.

Righteo - off to bed now. 2210 hours - good night.

In reality every child in every home is "at risk" of something.

At risk of slipping in the shower, at risk of falling off their bike, at risk of choking on a fish bone... The list goes on - it's constant.

contact Amnesty International rainbow chaser...they are an independant body, and i know they have been made aware of these morons by many.....

maybe if we name the psychiatrists and affiliates who the dept hire......by not recommending them to be trusted....would that start the name and shame procedure.....

A good idea, a laymen's opinion of their experience with certain psychiatrists, Social assessors, counselors and Phsychologists and even lawyers...maybe not so much name and shame but educate could be more like it!

It'll be nice to have revenge due to what we've been put through, it's even better to educate as revenge, make the dept's work even harder by making them more honest if that is even possible.

Aah it's such a sticky situation... I personally think it's a fantastic idea... But I tend to see both sides of the fence and I can predict that the whole "I was only doing my job" spiel would arise.

I know of professionals who WILL read departmental history files before they do anything with a parent or child and I know of professionals who WON'T (and deliberately won't).

Funny thing - those who will are regularly used departmental or sep rep contractors.

Those who won't are either completely unassociated or totally dislike DoCS all together.

Yeh but that's what gets me wild b/c my history is absolutely garbage, false, not in depth with detail and if it is, 1/4 of that detail would be somewhat correct with the rest misconstrued...

I've asked for years to have my files reviewed b/c I'm labeled as an unfit parent due to issues of DV but I'm not the perpetrator and I left the DV with the help of orders, police and refuges which has all gone against me but no the father/ idiot partner who did the assaulting in front of the child, nearly to the child and was the intoxicated and drugged out moron!

When I'm asked for my life story and I give it with it not ringing anywhere close to the files, then I'm not being honest, I'm in denial and have a mental health issue...

Sick of arguing and expected to live a lie to make social assessors happy! Well my story is out there now with myself answering to every notification against me with 5 out of the 25 notif's over the years, it was only the 5 I was in knowlege of, the other 20, I didn't recieve no visit's, sighting of my children etc...and they've got me substantiated with an indepth report that is no were near the truth and can be proven...very scary stuff.

it is not so much a revenge thing...it is making people aware that they are unethical and immoral in their professions.....and in that they are contributing to the continuing abuse of children and families...that has nothing to do with revenge.....you can guarantee that our names are on a list with all gov depts......

I know that our names are on the gov depts list, DocSniper is full proof of that, the poor guy is haunted wherever he goes...so I'm not surprised by that!

DoCS will substantiate a notification simply on the basis that it COULD happen.

Bleh! Anything COULD happen. But this does not mean that it WILL happen or HAS happened.

Family Law Court is not a court of evidence and this needs to change. The laws need to change where genuine evidence needs to be produced by DoCS to show proof of any allegation.

As it stands now, gossip, hearsay and sour grapes are good enough to have a child removed from it's home.

Concerns evolve into "facts" because report writers read it in the departmental history files and repeat it in their own reports.

Sorry, but repetition does not make fact.

most of their allegations are based on hearsay and fabrication......

I can believe that... But I must admit that I have not had anything fabricated against me in the past 2 years and 3 months.

I suspect that there was likely enough hearsay about me to negate the need to fabricate stuff.

Or they didn't dare fabricate anything because I've had a darn good lawyer that they know and dislike guarding my back the entire time.

alt.news are getting more comments on there as well now...this is just so heartening to see.

Well that's good.
Maybe one day I would like to shake his hand.

When a person has history with the Department and another notifcation is recieved they may come out and see you again. It depends on what the information is and if it meets the criteria for a notification which needs an investigation. But yes child protection history does play a part in all new notifications.

i think the terminology is victimisation by hearsay

With most of my notifications I wasn't visited at any time but they are substantiated as having been visited but no details of the visit or sighting of the children which has to take place now...before a substantiation can be administered, 3- 4 years ago this wasn't the case as my records prove.

HI,
funny you are talking about DV stuff now, because after reading Bella's story I was thinking about DV issues today.And presto I have my usual contact with docs (I said we have a bit to do with them at work).
Guess what - docs have taken a child off a woman and now placed child with this father.
And guess what they said they (i.e. docs) 'have NO concerns about the father' and the mother 'has made no allegations about the father to docs about the father of the child'.
BUT we know that the woman was in a huge DV relationship with this man. He threatened her, bashed her and all that usual predictable stuff. Was probably very abusive toward her in front of the child.
We have it all through our files about how scared she is of him and what he did to her etc. Now docs see him as the fit and protective parent.

Yep, another case whereby docs seem to then take on the role of siding with the male and further abusing the mother where the man leaves off.
(Do I make sense here/)

Something is wrong as I have seen this happen before. I am concerned for the child and so is my team when informed of this outcome.

Also further about DV. One worker said the laws that protect these men should change so that woman and children don't have to leave their homes, schools and cities to avoid these abusive men. The law should make these men have to move out of their homes, leave their jobs, leave their cities and leave the woman who is not the perpetrator to live on in peace. Why should the woman who is already abused have to leave. The law doesn't protect women and then the likes of docs with further persecute them.

And about my question about how someone could place a complaint (notification) about me and my parenting, raise concerns about the safety of my child as docs were once in our lives and yes, I had that answered by the CSO that I spoke to from docs. She answered my question whilst talking about something else today to me, and yes I am right. Once the docs spotlight has been on you before they will come running at great speeds if alerted again. It doesn't have to be substantiated either, could be just a rumour. Guilty until proven innocent.

Justice4all you explain it better but we both end up with the same answer to my question.

How R U thisisgood, all went ok today, the forum has plenty of action and votes.

Yes, they love age old rubbish.

They will manipulate it to show that it's history repeating itself... If they can't show history repeating then they will use it anyway because it makes their case look good.

I personally believe that departmental history should have an expiry date... A statute of limitations so to speak.

They use anything, fabricate it to the max and use it against you......its those managers and chhildrens magistrates in the dept that are allowing and are part of it all....most of them are inexperienced in life, and in anything apart from their own immoral acts....of which to date most are immune from any form of accountability.
And their answer to it is shove them in another gov dept....law courts, education,centrelink, gov anything....
this country doesnt have a gov of any form.....we have oppressors which as said before , equate to terrorists.......

there is a very fine line between discipline and abuse......bottom line is as long as these morons are in these positions more children will die or be irrepairably damaged...not to mention the families.

Aah yes, if you plead guilty it's an admission - it's you saying "Hell yes, I did it!!"

Everyone says the same thing about the lack of experience and life skills DoCS workers have... Especially CSOs.

Many of them are very young, with no children of their own and a lot of them still live at home with their parents.

A person who does not raise children has NO idea about what it is like. It's a bit different if they live with children - but even then the onus is not on them to care for the child 24/7.

People who still live at home with their parents might pay board or contribute in some way - but they have NO idea about what it's like to be in the real world standing on their own 2 feet.

Dredging up interesting stuff from a person's past is much easier than digging into what is going on in a person's present... They get contractors to write assessment reports about that - but expect them to reflect what they "found" in the parent's past.

And God forbid that something happens to the family in the middle of the case! Then they have no idea what to do - and the fools admit it.

I started as a married mother with 5 children. I'm now a widowed mother with 5 children.

When my husband died last year, DoCS freaked out. They went into a tail spin and had no idea what to do.

Suddenly I was the only mother in the world raising 5 children alone... Oh, I had so many problems! I was now a single parent, I had 3 children with special needs... How could I cope?!!

So, instead of finding ways to help me (I didn't need help mind you) they hid from me instead... They hid for 2 months.

While they were hiding, I paid for a funeral, kept my rent and bills paid, filed paperwork with every organization under the sun to clear up my husband's estate, did the housework, put food on the table and remained sane while keeping my family glued together (I have 3 in care and 2 at home).

I am made of sterner stuff and DoCS really have no idea who they are messing with.

I raised five children on my own, and never had any docs or the like near me....when my youngest contracted leukaemia, none were there, when after years of chemo behavioural problems were causing me much concern, so apprached them....they wouldnt /couldnt help.....then when t her children were removed, boy did they abuse heer and fabricated stuff against her...mind you the children were removed because of the father's abuse.....an idiot( psychs) own words, even with cigarette burns he put on her in front of one of the children ,and a long history of criminal activities, even defrauding centrelink....this dolt , born with a silver spoon in his mouth was handed the boys.....Daddy has political friends...great system isnt it.

Yep I hear you on the weight loss thing.

I don't know how much I weigh, but after the death of my husband I went from a size 12 to a size 8.

What we experience in our lives gives us strength to battle the future things that life throws us. It gives us experience, more common sense and the ability to dig deeper if we have to.

I would never say that I haven't had my moments. Jeez, I've had a lot of them. At times I've thought that I've hit rock bottom - but I've discovered that I haven't and rock bottom is still further to fall.

I've had days, even now that I'm at reunification, that I've just wanted to scream my head off in frustration and do somebody some physical damage.

But the thing is that we do what we do for our children. We get up in the morning and we soldier on because our children need us.

I have learned to be pro-active.

I take my frustrations and I think to myself "How can I use that against them?"... Then I find the way.

If I let myself sink into all the hurt and pain I've felt over the past 2 years, I'd be a basket case. I'd probably be committed to be honest.

thats the one people power can work wnders in putting any form of gov in their place.....and that includes accountability....i have a long list of names waiting......the lesson in patience is patience itself....it is just sad that many have either had their children die at their hands or are lost ...and that is cruel emotional stuff.......

Yes I absolutely hear you.

The sad thing is that the move to create change is not a quick one - it is going to take time.

Speaking of moving to create change... Some of us here already have irons in the fire. Early next month there will be some mischief afoot. LOL

A small amount of mischief, but it's only the start.

how many years did it take the fight of the Aboriginal people.......most never met their families as they passed on or were not able to be found.....gov intervention = gov criminality

I'm glad to be at reunification too - but I still have my guard up.

You're not alone. You have people here who are happy to support you.

I'm sorry to hear how all of this has impacted on you personally. I obviously don't know you and I don't know how long you have had these issues for - but I fully believe that the impact all of this has had on you had contributed in some way.

Keep your chin up - none of us are in this alone.

aFter what you have been through, how could any sane psychologist make any decison on a person........do not give them the satisfaction of you believing them....they are liars, cheats and murderers

ilovemykids - have you tried to find a diversion?

I know it's easier said than done when your life is falling apart at the seams - but often taking up a hobby or doing something that gets you out of your house can be an outlet to recharge your batteries.

I think that it also helps when you know that there are many others going through or have gone through the same nightmare....you'll probably actually start seeing the fact that it is not you, but what they have been trying to make you think you are....it is all mind games for all these morons

Yep, that is exactly right.

When a parent first becomes involved with DoCS it's the most lonely experience out there.

Oh, friends and family pat you on the head and tell you that it's terrible and all of that... But nobody really understands it unless they are going through it or have been through it.

Parents dealing with all this need to be able to vent, ask questions and be supported. The best support is those who have been there.

I reckon families who have dealt with DoCS would make perfect foster carers.

here here...well said

Honestly - if we are deemed responsible and reliable enough to have our children returned to our care - then we are perfect for foster care duty.

Thousands of parents over the years have ridden the carousel and had their children returned to them.

Yet, the "need" for foster carers is at a desperate level and fewer and fewer single or coupled parents are willing or prepared to sign up to be a carer.

It's becoming easier to be a foster carer because the "need" is so great (fast tracking and less stringent criteria) but those willing to take on the job are becoming fewer and fewer.

One day in the near future foster carers are either going to be far too young to really do the job properly - or they will be parents like us.

There won't be a choice.

i was told by an Aboriginal a few minutes ago that it is illegal for the gov to take children and put them in white families.....so what are Ipswich doing....and how many other centres are doing this?

most of the Gold coast new and extra depts have staff from mermaid beach in them.....

Yes they do.

Pretty much all of the workers who went to Labrador came from Mermaid Beach.

Nerang closed, then they reopened it. Same with Beaudesert.

Well Guys and Gals,
Havent been on for a few days, have been sitting back watching and reading. You have met Doc Sniper, What do you think???

Since my last post, a little update, Received a phone call from the Department, didnt accept the message, went to my machine, and the Lady concerned was so nice, asking for me to make an appointment with her, to go into the office and touch base on what is happening, and how everything is. I havent and wont phone her back. If and when she does phone me again, I am going to tell her that I will attend but with my lawyer, even tho its supposedly to touch base. With my lawyer present tho I am going to ask her what happened about both court orders she was going to get.
1. For me not to have a relationship with any man until my 12 year old daughter turns 18
2. Court order to remove my daughter from me as she had STRONG Evidence that my partner was still staying at the house. (That someone saw him entering the premises, arm in arm with me, whilst my daughter was on the lawn out front) What a load of crap. Because she Is lying once again, she has no evidence at all. We have in fact the evidence of what we were doing that night. I am hoping to catch the Department out on their lies, I may be wrong, but am hoping.

Anyways I prewarned you once Doc Sniper had internet he would be on.