This is a very familiar concept to me...seems so natural.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu8tNeLcyWo

Interesting!

My favourite part: "Set yourself free - Embrace the Darkness"

i like when it's dark too. mystery tickles me. I always see the bright side of the darkness. kind of weird. well that goes for some of us.

How nice. Thanks for sharing! It's nice to have a new friend here.

Welcome kyle82

Nice comment, thanx alot for your input. I know whatcha mean jellybean!!

heh, interesting, but garbage. You could find more philosophy and truth on the ingredients list for a can of baked beans - there'd be more useful information there, too!

Let me throw this spanner into the works and see how many sparks ignite rational thought,

If you have to stop thinking to see the darkness, or close your eyes to see the darkness, or die - of all things - to see the darkness, then you aren't darkness at all!
You see darkness when you close your eyes because there is no light for your eyes to make an image out of, not because you are seeing into the inner-most depths of your true self. It's a mechanical function, not spiritual!

Secondly, all that makes us, us, is our thoughts, feelings and beliefs! Without them, we are little more then organic mechanical machinery with no use. To stop thinking is to delude and remove a part of your conscious self, and once again, the "mental darkness" resulting is because there is nothing to consciously fill the void you have created, not because it reveals some higher part of you!

As said, You create the light. To remove that, is removing the one thing you have created, removing the single manifestation of your conscious being.

You come from darkness, and you go to darkness. Everything in between is you. The light that fills the void is the you that your soul, and the rest of the world has developed. When that all goes away, there is no more you any more. There just is.

That is a very fascinating angle, OMJ. I see what you mean.

Hmm, don't know if I would have used the word "garbage" OMJ. I believe that merely thinking or believing something to be true makes it true for that individual. Maybe not in this existence or dimension, but somewhere in time/space all theories are true for everyone. Am I saying that I fully believe the above theory/link? No. not exactly, but I can relate to some parts of it. I think that we all put too much emphasis on the words light/dark as humans. What if there were no difference in the connotations of the words light/dark in this dimension, as far as neg/pos energy goes? Would we then dispute the meaning behind each? Or would we just go with the feeling each energy brings? Light/dark, good/bad, neg/pos...to me it's all the same thing...us & god - we are both, as both are we. I think that sometimes we limit the way we perceive things as humans, simply by being HUMAN!

I posted that link as food for thought, not as the gospel of reality. However, even if I don't agree with it, I do know that some truth exists in this theory simply because someones mind put it into existence. Whether it exists for all or not, is simply up to the individual, and how that particular individual perceives reality. Need I mention Columbus & the argument of the world being flat vs round? It's all about perception my dear friend....but Garbage...I think not. For someone here in our reality believes this to be true by willing it so, therefor it is.

I am perplexed by your comment, but not offended, so don't take this the wrong way. I just think that some of the labels we have put on certain energies have somewhat boxed us into a corner that leaves little room to explore...so sometimes I like to remove the walls that make up our little boxes, to see what else is out there. Hey if Columbus could do it maybe we should give it a shot...All it took was one man to report the world was round, and eventually it became every ones reality...even yours!

Wickedly awesome, Jaim!

I love it all, but I'll pluck this lovely bit for emphasis...

Thanks babe, miss you whole bunches!!!

I don't know if just believing it makes it true. Surely the belief that something is true, when it isn't, is self-disillusion? Along the same lines as believing blowing ones self up, and taking tens of others with them will get them to heaven. Look where that got the world.

I mean no offence, but saying 'Believing something is true makes it true for that individual' sounds like a scapegoat. An easy way out from the admittance of reality which, for some people, seems too hard to come by because they cannot imagine the world any other way.
Is it my mistake, or did they have Columbus burned for treason?

If the belief of one person made it so, we'd have never discovered gravity, before everyone's belief in its non-existence would have removed it entirely, and the same for any other scientific discovery since the dawn of man.

I do agree heartily, however, that words are too restricting, especially metaphors, as they can be interpreted in any way. But either way, I stand my by first comment. If death realises your true self, you can be the first one to try it out. :P

OMJ, you are such a devil's advocate!



The truth...what is the truth? Popular consensus? We know that just because a majority believe something is true doesn't necessarily make it so. I don't know how to define truth, but what I do know is...that which I choose to believe is that which I begin to perceive and what in the end I will receive (a little poem I conceived ). And I think that is the point that is being made. But I get your point as well...that you can't just wish something instantly into truth and manifestation. However, maybe with practice? Or maybe it's just a good place to start in building up our mental muscles for realms in which we will experience instantaneous results from beliefs.

And maybe true, PURE belief is something we are confounding with wishful-thinking-belief. Maybe PURE belief would move mountains instantly.



Even if this were a case of pure belief, I would divert back to the rule of compassion, get what you want and need but don't hurt or take from others in the process.



I defer to the film Shallow Hal. I love that film. How you see it is how it IS for you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, One man's meat is another man's poison, and all that stuff.

Some people wake up happy and feeling life is the most amazing gift, while others wake to feeling imprisoned and tortured. Both wake in the same world, but with their own view of it. Both worlds are true worlds. But there is a choice involved in which type you experience through the way you choose believe. Over time, conditions that seem horrible can seem glorious and visa-versa through the power of belief (probably even the wishful-thinking-type of belief).

No, I don't think so!


You make a good point! And maybe there are certain given limitations that cannot be altered in the physical realm, and maybe not. Maybe a person who truly, PURELY believes that they defy gravity... does so.

Actually I have read many amazing experiences by others like this. In one instance when a boy was young he so focused on being weightless and flying as he walked to school each day that one day he experienced himself able to bounce with levitation. Did he slip over into another realm that aligned with his strong desire, or did he defy gravity. I don't know for sure how it works, but I believe all things are possible.

I also am thinking about the example from Tanis Halliwell's book "Summer with the Leprechaun" where the underground being was trying to teach her to walk through something solid and how with each subsequent try as she strengthened her belief, the being told her that on other planes of existence she was making achievements that add up. In essence, the more effort put into a belief the closer it comes to this reality as the "you's" in other realities are able to experience the truth of your belief. Maybe when a number of the many "you's" reach a critical mass, the belief becomes a reality. And maybe then "you" shift into another dimension that accommodates your belief. If that was no gravity, then you shift into a world with no gravity.

Then there are the fascinating stories of alien abductees that experience themselves moving through walls and defying gravity. I whole-heartedly believe in aliens (or interdimensional beings) and have my own personal experiences that shore this up, but however it is done, gravity is defied as is solidity. But even this example requires belief in these other people's experiences first before you can even tackle belief in the levitation, etc.

Though there are lots of non-alien-related stories of human levitation (even at girl's slumber parties ) with lots of witnesses.

I'm not ascared a no death and believe all is eternal, nevertheless, no thanks.

Love ya, OMJ. You feed my brain good.

OK OMJ, for the sake of friendly debate, I'll take your last A to mean 'Your ball, your serve'. The ball's in my court, so heads up!



Since you don't know, you can't say with any definity that just believing something doesn't make it true.


Since you preceded that A with the word 'surely', I assume that ending that very comment with a question mark is SURELY a typo...?


Um, first you would have to prove to me that it isn't true. My question is how do you plan to do that?


Until I know exactly what situation you are talking about, I'll leave that one alone. At first I thought about 'Hail-bop' in the early 90's, then my mind drifted to the David Koresh occult & upon further pondering I realized that maybe you were referring to the 911 happenings. I try not to assume, so until you confirm what situation you were talking about, I'll just skip it for now.


Hmm, is that because that theory isn't particularly one of your beliefs? Because in that case, it seems to me that YOU would be making a scapegoat comment yourself. It is not 'how many' people that believe in something, that makes it true or not true. Therefor, your comment, to me anyway, is a double negative...it works both ways OMJ.

EXAMPLE 1: Many people don't believe in Jesus Christ, does this prove that JC doesn't exist? However, many people DO believe in JC....does this PROVE that he does exist?

EXAMPLE 2: Many people don't believe in aliens & many people do. So which is it? Again we're back to the question of does a belief become reality simply because of the number of people who believe it.

EXAMPLE 3: Many people don't believe in ghosts, & many do. This one I picked particularly for you friend. As I know that you do believe in them. So I ask you, does the fact that many people DON'T believe in ghosts or the paranormal, make ghosts or the paranormal any less real for you?

My point being that because you believe in your heart that they do exist, abracadabra...there they are...a REALITY for YOU!

Also I might add, that there are a good many people that have never believed in Aliens or ghosts, but after seeing one or the other in a first hand experience, they are now believers...explain that one please.


Where do I even begin with this one? I guess I'll start here;
"An easy way out from the admittance of reality..." First prove to me that there is just ONE universal REALITY.

Second, I can IMAGINE that a reality that does not agree with someones beliefs, would in fact lead people in disbelief of that very reality, to IMAGINE an alternate reality. Hence Hitler's Holocaust & the very REAL REAL-ITY that that war against Jewish people created for them, even though the Jewish didn't share his beliefs. Did the fact that a lot of people NOT BELIEVING in Hitler's idea of what reality should be, mean that he couldn't bring his idea into fruition? NO it did not. People were killed simply for having different religious beliefs as he. He wanted to make his idea of reality EVERYONE'S idea of reality. At some level he succeeded, making everyone's world a Hell of supremacy & hate, which was nothing more than a self serving reality for him. I think that if Anne Frank were alive here in this dimension today, she would attest to the theory that one man's beliefs make his reality for him - and in some cases, for others as well, considering the amount of focused energy dedicated to bringing it into fruition.


Yes, that would be your mistake. But let's just roll with it shall we...for a moment let's go with that choice of reality. Chris Columbus was burned for treason, does that make the earth upon which you live any less round....umm, nope. But nice try.


Again a double negative. Your argument was that of which, that ONE person's belief does not make it reality for everyone, or as you so vehemently stated, that it doesn't even make it reality for that particular individual. Let's consider that when Sir Isaac Newton discovered this amazing force, that not everyone believed in it, or his theory of how it worked...that is your point isn't it? So what you're saying is that DR. Newton didn't need EVERYONE to grasp his idea for it to become his REALITY - or EVERYONE'S REALITY. That is what you're saying isn't it? My point exactly. Otherwise you would be talking about "mass consciousness" , which in REALITY is exactly what DR. Newton's 'theory' proved to create, by this point in our human existence. Today, what was once a theory by a mathematician & physicist, is now believed to be reality by the masses. Hmm, sounds strikingly familiar doesn't it?


Again you are confusing the belief of one man, with the belief of many - mass consciousness. At the sake of sounding redundant I won't repeat myself.


Good, then we won't have to talk about the word 'imagine' & how that simple yet misunderstood word causes alot of havoc in a world where it is believed by some, that another reality can't simply be imagined into existance.


Whew, I wonder if you've ever heard the phrase "And the cheese stands alone"?
I don't recall making the insinuation of 'death realizes your true self", but since it's now out there, I would have to say that if my human life is the guideline of my 'true self' then death I'll happily welcome. If this is as good as it gets, or as much as I 'truely am', then I await death & welcome it, as it will then expose to my human mind, what my universal mind was always capable of...seeing things beyond the human limitations of my human mind, reality, BELIEFS & existance.

Don't worry OMJ, it will happen for me soon enough & I'm sure you'll be the first to dance upon my grave.

BTW, I do so love the way you get my mind a rollin, so thank you & I look foward to chatting with you in the future...unless of course you believe that the future doesn't exist for you, in which case I'll just have to create you in "my own little future"

Always a pleasure,
~Jaime~