How do you all feel about the Ouija board?
Do you think the Ouija is a toy or a tool? Safe or dangerous? I personally believe it is all the above.
I won't mess with one. When I was a child some of my relatives had a Ouija board. I never could get anyone to sit down and be serious about it. They seemed more interested in giggling and teasing than even playing with it. I never understood that.
When I grew up, I played on one with my husband, he was as serious about it as I was. The board gave an accurate prediction of a tragic death. We've never touched an Ouija board since. It was really unsettling.

I noticed on a past post or two in my forum search, where Alisa mentioned tarot cards, a psychic circle and a pendulum.
I've heard of tarot cards. I don't know anything about them though.
A psychic circle is new to me. I took a moment and looked it up to see what it looks it. It's looks quite complicated.
Is tarot cards and/or the psychic circle fairly accurate? Do they carry the same stigma about opening doors and windows as the Ouija board does? Any reports of demons latching on to the users or participants?

What about the pendulum? How does it work? I've heard it mentioned in passing, but never heard any pros or cons about it.

I'm just wondering out loud here. I don't have anything specific in mind. I just wanted to discuss these items and see if you think they're useful tools or dangerous taboos.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Wow, interesting experience with the ouija board, J. I have not had an ouija board experience. I once tried the psychic circle (which is just another type of ouija board), but nothing happened. However, I didn't really pursue it after that because one night as I lay thinking about a question I had in mind, I thought, Oh, I can use the psychic circle to ask about this question. At which point I actually received a very clear female voice clairaudiently that said something along the lines of this device just being a hurdle to receiving the info I need. In essence, I could just ask and listen for an answer. So that's what I do now. And the answers manifest as song lyrics, telepathic concepts, scryed images, dreams, and at times, pure clairaudience.

I must admit that I have an aversion to using an ouija board anyway. Maybe it is because of all of the negative stories about it that I've read and heard first hand. But by the same token, Jane Roberts first got in touch with "Seth" through using a ouija board. And if I look to an outside source as guru, it is the Seth channelings.

Thus, logically, I believe that ouija boards are merely symbolic devices that bring through subconscious and extradimensional messages in a similar way as a radio picks up radio waves. How the messages are reacted to also flavors the experience. Like in your case, you received apparently accurate information about a profound future event. But it was an event that felt bad and unsavory, so it colored your feelings about the messenger (ouija board).

I think the point of all divining devices is to find a way to open the mind to the many frequencies that exist outside of our current parameters. For example tarot cards...I picked up a deck about 20 years ago. I didn't have a well-developed spiritual belief at that time, and I suppose I thought they might be magic, and I just got brave enough to see what they were about. I bought a book about reading tarot at the same time. And what I found was that even in the first few simple spreads I learned, the information was quite accurate and gave me some strong feelings of synchronicity.

What I've come to believe about tarot cards are that they are just another way of listening, opening the mind, scrying. How I interpret a card will pertain to the messages wanting to get through to me. Someone else might interpret the same spread quite differently. It's all about symbology. And symbols are a more pure form of information (above the use of words). As such, they hold many more possible meanings, thus provide a greater view of truth (which is "all" meanings at once).

As for pendulums, these are just another divining device. You can buy or make a pendulum (just as you can buy or make a deck of tarot or a ouija board). A pendulum is a weight (of any sort) suspended from the end of a string (of any sort). When you hold a pendulum it will begin to move (or not ) and then you interpret/choose what the meaning of the movement is. You either determine or glean from a book or another diviner what the movements mean. You may determine that a clockwise means "yes, and counter-clockwise means "no", or a vertical movement means yes, and a horizontal swing means "no". In actuality, what matters is that you let allow the messages to speak to you through the device. There are no set rules as to interpretation, that is the beauty of divination. You allow for your own personal interpretation. In a sense, it is your higher self, or selves that is talking to you and relaying messages.

And the messages aren't always accurate, or so it seems. Why? Because interpretation is subjective and prone to error based on fears and desires (if you want something to happen, you may easily interpret an answer to accommodate that what you want will occur). Also, there are boundaries as to what you are allowed to know in the present moment. I have been told before, This is all that you can know for now. The future must unfold like a flower - the petals aren't meant to be wrenched open.

Can demons latch onto users or participants? My take on this is that it can seem so. If a person opens up a channel to information that they are afraid of, then they may experience fearful things. And once that channel is open, a person may not be able to close the door again. I read a book once about a lady who was haunted by a demon. After years of experiencing this, she came to believe it was a part of her dimensional self, but she still remained at odds with it. I truly believe that all we experience are parts of ourself, even if we think it is a ghost. But I digress. Yes, there is a risk of frightening experiences when you open up doorways that have been shut. It doesn't mean that this is because of evil, but because it is fear of the unknown and is experienced through reaction rather than understanding.

Nothing has ever hurt me or truly threatened me. I have received some shocking messages, but I often find that when I realize what the messages really mean, they are either benign, misinterpreted by me, or are not meant to assault, but are harsh truths that and are not easily assimilated.

Excellent thread, Julianne. I enjoyed thinking about it and explaining my

I apologize for the length of this. I got carried away.

Thank you for your inspiring thoughts and response. It's wonderful that you discovered your inner voice of knowledge and a guide by which to get your answers without aide of devices or gadgets. I hadn't thought of the devices as hurdles, but have always been leery of them since my experience with the Ouija.

I was raised with the lore that Ouija boards were haunted. The lore was that each board had it's own spirit good or bad, but as far as a demon aspect I wasn't aware of that lore until years after the prediction had came to pass.

Interesting enough fear had nothing to do with my choices, it was the message and the messenger that kept me from using the ouija board again. I was so mad about it. I was not happy that it had been so negative. I believe that board had a dark spirit attached to it and it gained pleasure in it's prediction. I say this because it chose a negative event to tell about and it could have chose a positive event.
We could not stop the death from happening, (I did try though) So after all these decades, I can only surmise there was no point in the board's prediction except to try to scare, upset and hurt us... or maybe dare one of us or both to seek further and sucker us into it's evil web so it could ruin us.
There was no lessons to be learned from the negative prediction, it did nothing but add to the heartbreak of the loss.

I agree & believe you're right--> "I think the point of all divining devices is to find a way to open the mind to the many frequencies that exist outside of our current parameters."

Thank you for explaining the pendulum method. I wondered how it worked. I agree that in asking questions and determining the answers would be open to personal interpretation. You may be right about the answers coming from within. Since the pendulum is hand-held, it's be an extension of yourself and your own 'self', spirit and desires could be projected in the answers.

The pendulum sounds like the wedding ring trick of dangling the ring on a thread over a bride's wrist in effort to tell how many children she'd have and their genders. This is supposed to work for single females too. The number of stops and starts of genders determines the amount.
Also the ring dangling on a thread can also be used to determine the gender of an unborn baby by holding it over a pregnant woman's tummy.
If the ring swings in a circle, it's a girl and if it swings back & forth it's a boy.
Curious enough, where I was raised, an alternative to the dangling ring is a sewing needle & sewing thread used in the same manner for both of these type tellings.

As close as I can remember, the ring or needle pendulum was pretty accurate.
Oddly, the ring/needle pendulums was an acceptable fun parlor game at our church because they considered it based on the woman's pulse or heartbeat.

"The future must unfold like a flower - the petals aren't meant to be wrenched open." <--words to live by

A few decades ago I played around with regular playing-cards (p*ker cards) in effort to get a bead on future events. It was quite fun, dealing out the cards and asking yes or no questions and then of course there were the individual cards that had meaning. I had a book for that. I grew tired of it after a couple of weeks because it was so limited to what one could actually get the gist of. I've often wondered if tarot cards would be the same way.

During that same card playing time, an acquaintance of mine had some I-ching sticks. I think that's what they were called. I tried them a time or two. She was really fascinated by them, I wasn't impressed with them at all. It seemed a lot of work to find out not much of anything. I felt like that wizard on the movie 'Willow' who told Willow "the bones tell me nothing" lol I figure there's seers who can read I-ching sticks and utilize them in a proficient manner. They're just not for me.

And then there's dowsing. I have to admit that the first time I heard about dowsing for or with spirits I got tickled because the only dowsing I knew of was water witching. I couldn't imagine how a forked stick could get answers from spirits... and then I saw a paranormal show where they used metal rods in metal tubes. They apparently free spin or cross with aide of a spirit to answer yes or no. I didn't care much for the concept, but I suppose it could be a suitable means of communication if one is careful.

I come from a line of water-witchers. We used either a coat hanger or a young flimsy tree branch or sapling. I like water witching, I haven't done it in years and may not be able to do it now. It sure was neat to feel the downward pull and tugging vibrations and know it's water buried deep or shallow that hasn't been seen yet.
Oddly enough water-witching was accepted practice in our church. I guess because they saw it as a survival skill that was a gift from God.

I'm of a mindset, like you on our personal experiences are our best teachers, however, while it is true we all have good and bad aspects of our personalities, I disagree thatt actual demon and evil spirit aspects could be one. IMO An attachment or haunting of an actual negative spirit or demon is not a natural part of the human condition. It's like a parasite situation. I believe as surely as there are angels of goodness then so is there fallen angels of badness. I believe we are far better off to embrace the positive and rebuke the negative. I also believe there's good and bad spirits from humans who've passed on.

Through prayer and positive thinking, I put my trust in my guardian angel and God to alert me to happy or sad tidings or negative and positive events when I need to be forewarned.
I've been more at peace this way. At least now when I get an inkling of a negative event or a positive one, I know it comes from a positive influence (and it's not meant to scare me into dancing with a devil to find out more.)

Like you, music, dreams, and many other curious symbols that are put in my path usually give me the right necessary clues along the way.

Family bond is another of the psychic connections of natural instincts that I trust highly. It's something as familiar as breathing to me.
I think some feelings/info/things come from sub-conscious and/or the universal consciousness. It has a different sense about it because of the scale of the feeling.

Again, I apologize, I got carried away with my reply. I hope you can cypher some coherency out of my jumbled thoughts.

I've enjoy discussing these subjects a lot.

I hope you don't mind my long windedness.

Your thoughts were very clear. IMO you did a great job expressing them. I found your knowledge of dousing and rings/needles on strings to be very interesting and enjoyable to read.

It seems most people get "negative" information from ouija boards (from the accounts I've heard/read).

I don't use these divination tools not only because I choose to speak directly to my source, but also because I don't really want to know what is going to happen in the future. It makes me more prone to worry. Just let it be a surprise!

Thanks.
I was worried if I said too much or sounded harsh. I didn't mean to come off sounding like a smarty-pants.

I'm in agreement with you about the worrying part. I think perhaps that's why we only receive a bit of the necessary info if need be.

Which begs the question, why is it that most predictions are negative regardless of source?

Once upon a time, I purchased an astrology book. I figured at least the stars gives a sporting chance of positive info... well maybe to someone who really knew how to read the charts. I figured that I would like astrology. In my opinion it's sort-of okay in the Biblical sense by way of reference to looking for signs in the heavens.
I ran a chart for every 5 years for around fifteen years ahead. I did my best to read them by-the-book. I didn't see any major changes and figured I wasn't reading them right. Or maybe I was and my life was supposed to be on an even keel for awhile... which didn't happen, I might add.
I gave up on it. I realized it must take some extra brain cells and special skills to learn all that stuff.
Then many years later Pluto got a raw deal and I wonder if the astrologers had to change the way they make charts or if they still use Pluto.
I will say this though: in my entire life there was 2 times that the blanket-astrology forecasts in the newspapers hit right on the money.
But I think the odds of years of daily forecasts are bound to hit sometime. It still was kind of interesting though.

Palmistry is something that always peeked my interest. It too should at least have a sporting chance of giving a positive forecast.
I bought a small grocery store palm reading book once upon a time and I also have surfed around the net about palm reading. There doesn't seem to be any specific info on the lines that I'm looking for.
I've never been to a palm reader, but I know a few people that has. A couple of the predictions hit, but there again, the odds are in favor of a forecast being correct every now and then... especially the ones that cold-read.

Do the lines in the palm of your hands tell a story. Well of course, but are they a road map of the future? I don't know. I don't exactly think so since some folks don't have hands and also some folks work the lines off the palms of their hands through industrial work or jobs that requires alot of heavy hands on work. (I guess I should have said 'used too' since I don't know of much industrial or hard labor work around now-a-days.)

So in reference to palmistry, I conclude that one should look ahead with high hopes and not into their hands for the answers... (but I'm still curious)

I echo what you have said Alisa, forecast and readings are based alot on personal interpretations. The attitude and desires of the reader has as much to do with a prediction as the actual methods and devices.

Anyway, I thought I'd throw astrology and palmistry in the discussion for good measure since both are based on factors other than spirits talking.

I look forward to hearing any thoughts yea or nay or maybe okay?

More interesting reading, thanks J.

I also once got into astrology and mapped out some charts, etc. Numerology, too. I never did palmestry, but found it interesting. Sync

Agreed

I still use my tarot on rare occasion if I'm feeling desperate about something, though that doesn't happen any more really. I know that my future is and will be what it is and will be. So I just wait and see. However, I do enjoy interpreting my dreams, visions, and clairaudience, and using automatic drawing to help better understand myself and the direction I'm headed.

Whatever works for each person! And moreso, whatever makes them feel better.

Another great piece from you, J, and enjoyable read.

Thank you for the compliment on my dream interpretations. That really made me smile. For me, my dreams are as important as my waking life. When I was young and having vivid dreams that left me quite emotional, I'd be told that they are "just dreams" as if I should just forget about them. It made me wonder why I would have them then and why they affected me so much if they were unimportant and not to be examined. But I trusted my parents to know what is best, so I didn't question it much further, though it didn't stop my dreams or the affect they sometimes had on me.

When I was 11, I had a dream that really affected me, so much so that I still recall it well today (33 years later). I dreamed that I was at my 12th birthday party dinner taking place in a dimly lit Italian restaurant and with all of my family and extended family attending. I was wearing denim bib-overall coolots (ha ha, I thought they were the coolest apparel ever at the time).

Everyone was eating and chatting. I sat at the head of the table, so not right close next to anyone. The lighting was soft orange-yellow, but otherwise quite dark. Just then a golden light appeared behind and next to me illuminating an escalator (of glass and gold light). My Mom's sister (who was living at the time) was standing next to me at the base of this escalator. She was wearing a cream-colored robe (like a Grecian robe).

I suppose she spoke to me telepathically, telling me to come with her and ascend the escalator steps. No one else around me had noticed this scene and they carried on obliviously. I was rather amazed by it all, including that no one else seemed to be seeing or experiencing this golden light scene. I followed my aunt up the escalator, excited at what was happening, but also a bit concerned in trying to understand it all.

When we reached the top of the escalator, I ceased to see the restaurant. I was now in a plain room with a wooden floor and a large wooden table. My grandpa and grandma who had recently passed away, were there, along with a lot of other people who I somehow knew were family, though I didn't really know them. I also realized that it was a waiting room of sorts. They were all wearing white robes and waiting for something (maybe for the whole family to join them eventually). This dream ties in with my Mormon upbringing and its belief of a waiting stage before the second-coming and resurrection.

Grandma smiled at me, but I could tell she couldn't see me. She was holding a tiny baby. Grandpa was frowning and not looking in my direction. I asked my aunt why Grandpa was frowning as he never really frowned around me when he was alive. She said it was because he didn't know I was there. She said Grandma knew though (but couldn't see me).

It was so white and bright in this waiting room and here I was wearing denim coolots. It made me feel out of place and I wanted to fit in. I saw a closet with white robes hanging inside. I asked my Aunt, who was wearing a cream colored robe (not white, and I later determined it meant she was an intermediary) if I could put on a robe like everyone else. She said, "You can try." I walked over to the closet and reached out for a robe, but my hand went through it. I tried a few more times, but though I could see the robes and they looked solid, they were not.

When I woke from this dream I was utterly stunned. I didn't know what it meant except that it felt so incredibly real and it had to do with dying and therefore must mean I am going to die on my 12th birthday. I ran to tell my mom about the dream. She listened and then assured me that I was not going to die on my birthday. But I didn't agree with her. The dream felt so real and so meaningful to me, and that was my interpretation (which I now know was my fear interpretation). And that is one of the biggest hiccups in divination and dream interpretation - the fear factor. It will come in and skew the message. Hope/desire will, too.

I had a bit of anxiety in the next week or so leading up to my birthday, but of course I didn't die on my 12th. I now have many years to look back with a bit more wisdom and I can see that if anything, the message was that I was not going to die on my 12th birthday (couldn't put on the robe). And that others who have died continue on in some way. I told the dream to another aunt of mine who gasped and said that the baby was hers. I had not made the connection that she had lost a baby shortly after it was born a year before the dream. Telling her my dream really ended up affecting her. Which in turn really affected me knowing that she also believed my dream was somehow real.

While I'm at it, I will say that two years ago I had visions and dreams that showing me that I would die soon. And once again, fear convoluted my interpretation of the dream and demanded that I find out exactly when. I recorded it all in my journal though it's too lengthy to relay here. But the dates I came up with were all wrong. And one thing I can say about it all is that, again, looking back on it, though I was not told a specific time or date, only that I would die, I began "reading" dates and times into when this death will occur. And that is where the convolution comes in. Fear demands control, and control demands answers, specifics. And "that" is where I believe prophecy and prediction goes awry. It is the same for Harold Camping and other doomsday prophets. They/we start to see patterns, and the underlying fear in facing these vague assurities demands we try to find a specific answer so we can relax and "know", and thus we begin to grasp at synchroncities and read specifics from them. We lose sight of living in the "now" in faith because we have to know what will happen "then" and "when". We aren't trusting flow and letting go...we are scrambling to control/know the future. Yet it is not ours to know/control as we are "here" for the "ride". Que sera sera!

It might be different if I had a dream in which I was told and shown verbatim, "Alisa, you will die/depart your physical vehicle on xx.xx.xx at xx am/pm." But that was not the case. Instead, whether it is tarot, dreams, etc., it is shown in symbols and thus is up to interpretation. So grasping onto any cold hard facts will be a stab in the dark. Thus is the nature of spirit, to provide a chance to see the many possibilities and probabilities, not to dictate which of those will ultimately, absolutely eventuate.

Unlike physicality, where laws (physics) demand consensus and repeatable outcomes, spirit will not conform to specific rules/laws. Spirit offers us choice every time. If it has any rule at all, it is that you must choose constantly how you will view it because it does not have any attributes that are fixed. It is always up to interpretation. I may see a vision of a big orange ball and be delighted by it, whereas another might have the same vision and find it the most frightening harbinger of bad news ever. But the vision of the big orange ball is neither one nor the other. It simply is all possible interpretations.

To sum up my belief and opinion, the answers are all around for us to see and divine through which ever method suits us. The way to become clearer about "it all" is to become more conscious and realize/recognize our fears and desires so that they will be less apt to convolute our "seeing". However, I feel that once fears and desires are fully realized, "seeing" is just "being".

Deep...

I better get an apple and I'll see if I can cut off the peel in one long strand. I'm pretty sure it should form into DC, though I bet I get the same answer as you due to the possums around here.

The dream when you were 11 is really interesting. The waiting room of loved ones passed is bittersweet. The journey there sounds lovely. I think maybe it was God's way of showing you that death isn't the end and we go on. Like a coming of age knowledge for you to carry through life.
I do feel sad for what you felt at that age. I can't imagine. It must have been quite dreadful waiting for your birthday. I'm thankful your interpretation was wrong. I think it was also a dream for your Aunt's comfort. to let her know her baby was waiting with other loved ones.

I've had a few dreams such as that, but my favorite ones is when I dream of hugging a relative who I miss so much. The hug is like a special gift like letting me know that they're still around and check on me from time-to-time.

Thank goodness your dream & visions of death was wrong too. I understand your thoughts on it. The big orange ball analogy makes sense.

Your dream of death prediction reminds me of a dream I had a couple of years ago. It wasn't death that was predicted, but it was a horrible threat against me that was predicted along with a date of it.
In the dream I confronted the being making this damning prediction, but it refused to explain the reason behind it.
Then a voice, that I believe is my guardian angel, said to me that the particular being was a liar and fed off of fear.
and said other words of reassurance that this was a false prediction. (My guardian angel voice has been in many of my dreams, I've never see the person it comes from)
When I awoke, I was perplexed. I knew the reassuring voice in my dream had always been right, but still I was not totally comfortable until the date came to pass and nothing happened to me.

I agree your thoughts are deep, but that's the well by which you draw your truths of life from and I suspect it isn't a well at all but a beautiful library that goes on for eternity.

Wow, what a kind heart you have. It made me feel so good to read your take on these things and the wonderful viewpoint that sees me in such a positive light. Thank you.

I also appreciate you sharing your dream experience with the voice of the guardian angel and the false predictor. I'm glad you also moved through the doomed date without harm.

You're very welcome.
And I thank you too for all your positive feedback on my thoughts and stuff.