</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Nick:<br /><strong> This forum isn't particularly helpful when it comes to non-UBI questions. Answers usually revolve around the Dreambox as if it's the perfect answer to all non-UBI providers. I'm sure UBI would like to see TV Plus and all the others (including Foxtel) out of business due to the piracy but that's just a dream.<br /><br />The biggest threat to all is not the piracy, it's the Internet. The music industry has already felt it, the next are TV and Hollywood. As for the satellite TV, well they can only survive in the rural and isolated areas (read Austar), the rest are doomed.<br /><br />In the mean time I suggest we close this forum as it obviously doesn't serve its intended purpose. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You got me confused now??. This forum is called " OTHER PAY TV SERVICES" not just TVPLUS so just because you can't decide which box to buy you want this fprum closed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> My Brother just bought a used Dreambox 7000 for $420 and has his legal austar card in it he will be connecting it to his router so he can browse the net he now has a 1 gig USB stick so he will be able to download heaps of plugins and games for the kids The list is a mile long for what you can do with these marvellous boxes and by the way his Humax 5400 has been sacked for being too stupid. But if you want a cheap Irdeto 2 box any will do with software problems like some of the cheapies have and after you finish with tv plus you might as well put it in the bin. Most cheap irdeto 2 boxes will not even work on Austar and thats Irdeto 2 and if they do they drop out lock up and give you the shits.