It's not the post I am looking for, but it adds support for my point and I hope answer's Mr Musicman's challenge. <br /><br />And ...... I'm in no way picking a fight with Phil while he is off line - happy to have the debate when he is back on his feet.<br /><br />I've painted myself into a corner here, I don't want to suffer a credibility hit and don't want to have a go at Phil .......<br /><br />BTW any update on his condition?