Ok well this is my first post, and it looks like I've hit on a juicy topic!!! I also noticed that I'm the 666th person to register!!! Is that a coincidence do you think?????<br /><br />I cant believe that people are willing to take on an opinion, just becasue ONE jew goes on telly and says something stupid!!!! Shit, what must the rest of the world think of us then, when they see the Croc Hunter on telly?????<br /><br />Now dont get me wrong, I'm not a Jew, nor am I an Arab, but I am a westerner, and I'll stick up for western ideals.<br /><br />First of all, any Arab sat station beaming into Australia, which has links to a terrorist network, should be taken off air FULLSTOP. No arguments over this one, just get rid of the bloody thing. Jam the Satellite, or launch legal procedings, just take it off air!!!!! Why should we permit propoganda transmissions into our nation, especially when they promote something we are fighting against???? Thats just plain wrong!!!!<br />Now try and put yourself into the shoes of the Jews for a moment. They have been fighting for their existance since 1948 (I think it was then), and surrounded by Arabs. Ok so there maybe some debate as to whether they should have been given the land in the first place, but thats history now. You could probably thank the decline of the British Empire & WW2 for that one.<br />Anyway, if I was them, and constantly having my civilians blown up by terrorists, I'd take ANY action necessary to erradicate the enemy. <br /><br />Now terrorism is asymettric warfare, and thus cannot be fought in the usual methods. There is no particular state or country to attack or defeat, just an ideology. Attacking an ideology is wrought with problems, from racism, to religionism (is there such a word??), so how do you deal with it?????? You can't ignore the problem, as the bastards wont give up, over running countries is also frowned upon, just take a look at Iraq. <br /><br />So what should the Israelis do??? Well they believe in pre-emptive strikes, surgical strikes to take out the enemy before they have a chance to strike in the first place. They know the enemy is going to do it, and they can profile the types of people that are likely to get involved in terrorism. So If I was in power, then I'd have my intelligence agency go on a search and destroy mission. So what would this involve? Well based on intelligence, I'd send out my agents to penetrate countries where terrorists have been identified as operating. <br /><br />So this is where the link to NZ comes in. Since September 11, there have been several stories of Terrorists infiltrating New Zealand. Why the hell they are interested in New Zealand, perhaps only Israel knows. Now dont just pass this off as crap, information has been released that states that 8 days before September 11, Egyptian officials notified the CIA that a credible, major attack was to be performed on a US target by bin Laden. This was also verified by French intelligence. So where did this info come from?? Mossad!!!!! This was one of the few occasions where Mossad decided to pass on intelligence information to another country. But why Egypt and France?? Well Mossad had apparently already relayed the info to the US, but the US paid little to no attention to it. So Mossad thought that this info was too important to do nothing about, so they relayed it to other governments, hoping that they would have more credibility with the US. <br /><br />OK, so back to NZ. Israel actively pursues any threat to Israel, NO MATTER WHERE IN THE WORLD it lies. Anyone remember the Iraqi Nuclear reactor blown up in the eighties by Israel? Well that wasn't the only reactor Iraq was supposed to have. The bloody french were building and supplying the reactors to Iraq!!!! So is it easier to blow them up once they are installed and online in a heavily defended Iraq, or take out the reactors before they leave France??? Of course its easier to take them out in France before they leave the country. This is exactly what Israel did. Mossad agents penetrated France, and blew up the reactors while they were being warehoused for transport to Iraq. Now they weren't entirely succesful as we all know a reactor was built in Iraq. So Israel took that out as well using the Israeli Airforce, and agents on the ground to "light up" the target. <br /><br />OK, so hopefully I've set the scene, to suggest a POSSIBILITY as to why Mossad agents were in NZ.<br /> Now I cant see why Mossad would be interested in NZ, other than chasing down terrorist targets. Israel is not a threat to the western world, although they have been known to "steal" technology from us. With all due respect, does NZ have any technology not currently available to Israel worth stealing???????? I think not. So if we've established that they weren't in NZ to steal technology, they probably weren't there to influence economic policy either. They were there to do what Mossad does best. TRACK TERRORISTS AND TAKE THEM OUT!!!! What the hell they were doing trying to get passports, only they know, but I bet you anything you like Mossad was not in NZ to do anyharm whatsoever to NZ or its people.<br /><br />So having said all this, perhaps its time to pay Israel and Mossad more respect than you have. Israel is a highly technologicaly advanced nation, with a strong belief in its existance and its intelligence and military power to protect itself. <br /><br />So far in this debate, I've seen only emotive responses to items they saw on TV!!! Not real conclusive evidence to go off fellars!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on start pulling apart what happens today, by fitting in what has occurred before it. Dont put the blinkers on, and look at world affairs by looking at what is happening RIGHT NOW!!!!!! Every event that happens RIGHT now, has probably got a history of at least 50 years to examine to get even close to understanding it. International affairs are FAR MORE complex than it first looks!!!! I wont pretend to know it all, but I believe in what I have written here.<br /> <br /> <small>[ 22. August 2004, 12:13 AM: Message edited by: Ober Fuehrer ]</small>