</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Fred:<br /><strong> Is it true that some of the piracy forum have gone underground, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> and they do not accept new members at all, in other words its the same smart crew that has been getting around from the thioc.com days. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not this again, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/default/shocked.gif" /> The Thoic.com days Haaaaaaaaaaa does anyone remember Mad Max?, yes you are correct they have gone deep underground and cannot be accessed, its very similiar to this Private forum but the difference is its SUPER PRIVATE no one can access without physically knowing the person, also 100% of them have been friends for a long time so this elimates spies and stooges in their forum.<br />About informing TARBS/UBI about piracy I have told TARBS about 20 times about the problem, I even sent a tapped conversation to TARBS with proof about this matter, I was going to buy one of these boxes to see what make them tick but I declined. But mainly they would have never sold me one. How this mob in Melbourne works is very clever, they attack one Arabic family, sell them like 15 boxes for 15 families and they are told not to let anyone interfere or touch the boxes. Otherwise, it will be your fault if you have no pictures and because most ethnics today are very tight lipped, they do what they are told. This is a problem and its now up to UBI to do something about it. Regarding the new chinese boxes, I have a friend of mine in Indonesia who lets me know what's floating around. Also, I have from another reliable source, months ago that they were sampling the signal off Telstar 10 to perfect these new boxes. Maybe Telstar 10 was a mistake for UBI as the footprint covers a large part of the globe which allows the crooks to sample the transport stream. If some of you older guys remember, Mr Mad Max went to Thailand or one of those other poxy countries and sampled the transport stream and stuck it on a hard disk but got caught and sent to jail but he eventually got out. I am starting to hear too many reports about these mystery boxes but again, I suspect that they will only be sold in very secret outlets with stringent conditions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/default/confused.gif" />