Originally Posted by Alisa
If I had been punished on top of that (by my parents) it would have been redundant to say the least. It probably would have developed from guilt into shame. Maybe punishment promotes shame. thinking
Can.

Originally Posted by Alisa
Though not everyone may have this sort of conscience (maybe it takes lifetimes). dunno
You just lifted up a considerably large rock on the beach...
Consider qualities of STS polarity in comparison to qualities of STO polarity if you will...

Originally Posted by Alisa
What about pets and animals? Don't they need boundaries though? Are we only talking about freedom for humans?
First is the concept - we have nothing to work with, nothing to discuss if we have not determined what it is. Otherwise I may use the word freedom, mean one thing and you may use the same word and mean a somewhat different thing. We use thought to build an understanding of a concept (freedom in this case) and thought to analyze the current understanding, to correct, improve, elaborate. The beginnings of objective thought you might call it.

So firstly, what is it, what does it mean, then we can test and see how it applies experientially.