The way I look at it is if you own any box and you are looking at any transport stream that you don't own and its stuffs your box up its stiff cheese mate. <br />Could you imaging this a Dreambox owner stealing Foxtel and foxtel find a way to send a ECM to shut the box down and now you have the shits because your box is dead and you want foxtel to replace your box.<br />Ask Phil he will tell you that most of the guys doing the whinging has modded boxes and because they have been shut down for good ( Box in the Bin) they have a hide to get into forums and have a big whinge. We see you have been away but I smell you have pirated box and now its dead. you are a Moderator for God sake thats why I suspect your box is chipped because I find It hard to believe that you didn't know about UBI box not to be used for FTA.<br />Sorry Mate thats all from me.