Originally Posted by Al
If we were to say that no understanding is ever complete or without error, then we would either be assuming or have adopted this as an understanding.

But to say that there is complete understanding of anything assumes a finiteness, so I guess it depends on whether or not you believe in infinity. I personally cannot imagine understanding anything completely, not with my human consciousness anyway.

Originally Posted by Al
I do not subscribe to the belief that nothing can be known. Experiential self evidence seems to render this notion incorrect.
To my knowledge - and again only from my own journey and investigating, I certainly do not say this as complete fact - there are universal truths. The universe has structure and logic. It would be rather difficult to have a conversation here if my screen wobbled like jelly and the letters of the words kept changing places at random times. spin
Well, it may seem like your screen isn't wobbling like jelly, but maybe it is and you are just compensating for it in your mind. vcheeky

I have to admit that when it comes to physical laws, I have often pondered, but not come to an understanding as to how they work. I have read personal accounts of people that have defied gravity, walked through walls, biolocated, existed for 40 years without food and water, etc. I theorize it is a collective believe system, but I am not sure. This is an area I am still exploring, pondering when the urge takes me. If exceptions exist to supposed hard-fast rules, then all is definitely not known.

Ah, but you aren't talking about scientific objectivity, you say. Okay, what do you mean by this, or what is an example of this, please.

Originally Posted by Al
... To my knowledge there is a form of objectivity which coincides with universal truth, but this is not for the most part the objectivity which science uses or understands.

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I would suggest unifying "figuring things out" and "being" into one.

That sounds good.

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My approval is not required for you to do as you choose.
I was trying to be polite. I did not want to seem aggressively argumentative. But you probably didn't take me that way. So cool! highfive

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Belief is redundant here.
By this you mean that belief is a "given", correct?